Do we really need another EVA thread?
No, but we are going to anyway.
Why is the Israfel the best angel fight?
Let's see, dead, forgotten for the finale, small cameo in EoE?
Not really pandering, and after all it's said and done, whatever he was there for in NGE was less for pandering and more for story/plot.
Not the case any more.
Now you listen here whippersnapper. Back in the day, real characters were front and center. That does not mean Kaworu, son
That does not mean wasting an entire story on weird-ass gay pandering and ruining every other character to make that happen
Now get off my lawn and piss off back to tumblr
The best fight was
Anno battling his inner demons and depression through the means of making the show.
Not sure how many months it has been since you joined the Eva fanbase but Kawoshin has been shoved in every piece of merchandise since all the way back in the 90s. No other Eva pairing got this treatment.
Why aren't you off my lawn yet you sniveling brat?
You kids can't grasp a good point if it hit you straight in the head, front and center kid, front and center - pandering for the fujoshi crowds is just the pus that oozes out of the sleazy side of the fanbase, the actual story and plot is unaffected.
Hence mr.plot device gets one episode where he isn't used poorly, but isn't there for the sole purpose of pandering like he is ever since.
You're right about one thing: shoved. Shoved into it where he clearly does not belong, corrupting everything he grazes over just so filthy otaku can get off to underage homosexual erotica.
Back to tumblr and know that your kind is the cancer in this community
It's inevitably going to be garbage, as it's just going to be the final confirmation of how low Anno has sunk.
It ceased to be important when and how soon it came out it came out because it doesn't have anything to conclude upon besides the routine waifufaggotry.
It's like a final chore we all have to get through so we can leave it behind.
Did you just have a stroke? I can't comprehend what the hell you just tried to say.
If you're over the age of 25 and still into chinese cartoons, you're probably one of the most embarrassing existences known to man. I feel disgusted just by sharing the same thread as you.
>If you're over the age of 25 and still into chinese cartoons, you're probably one of the most embarrassing existences known to man. I feel disgusted just by sharing the same thread as you.
Hello and welcome to /a/. Now get out.
>Did you just have a stroke? I can't comprehend what the hell you just tried to say.
It basically means you're a disgusting cancerous tumour upon what used to be a somwhat interesting fanbase to be in.
Once Evangelion went as low as to be pure waifufaggotry and pandering, it attracted filth such as yourself which is of course, entirely unable and unwilling to understand the damage and degradation they're causing.
Yes? Why the fuck would I intentionally allow myself to become such a useless and pathetic person as one who watched children's cartoons in their fucking 30's?
Fuck off to the cemetery, grandpa.
Except the majority of 4chan's userbase is under the age of 25. Does moot look like a 50 year old to you? No. And guess what, he fucking moved on with his life like a respectable human bean should.
But Anno is moe.
Pic related is for you.
Evangelion: Lots of deep, well-developed characters that are well-interwoven in a human and believable story concerning basic themes of humanity.
State of Evangelion: Pretty darned good.
Kaworu: not such a deep, well-developed or well-intervowen character
Evangelion now: Kaworu front and center
State of Evangelion: shallow, pandering nonsense
and you're part of it because you support it.
>Lots of deep, well-developed characters
Name 5. Exactly, you can't. Because beside the main 4, everyone else is a shallow cardboard cutout that serves as a contrived plot device when the time calls for it.
And yet if someone who claimed to be a Toujifag or a Hikarifag came along, would you bitch and whine at them? No, you'd be indifferent. Yet whenever a Kaworufag appears you go apeshit. The answer to why is simple and only serves to prove how shallow your own investment in Eva really is rather than that of the Kaworufags.
You're argument is a mixture of delusion and more delusion, get pulverized.
Ritsuko, Misato, and Fuyutsuki were all fairly well developed seconary characters. They didn't get much time to themselves but watching them interact with other characters gives you a good idea of their personality. Not to mention the first two I named basically got bio episodes.
Even if I named five, I think four is perfectly fine for a TV-series insofar well-developed, well-interwoven TV-series characters go. My point is more or less proven now, thanks.
Which is, I'll remind you, that Kaworu is not part of those. Pointing at other comparatively shallow character does not somehow make Kaworu better.
Serving you the point again, Kaworu, Toji, Hikari (characters with more development than Kaworu) aren't front and center precisely due to their status.
There's nothing to bitch at Tojifags or Hikarifags at because they aren't obnoxious or are fans of characters literally engulfing any sort of depth Evangelion has.
So of course, they don't get bitched at, they literally aren't part of the problem.
Now then, Kaworu is front and center, which has the effect of ruining everything else. For what? Simple pandering to a simple fanbase - you.
Hence your existence is a blight upon Eva.
Your >lots of deep, well-developed characters
can only be accurately applied to the 4 main characters, as everyone else is merely a backdrop, certainly not earning the title of well-developed character.
Despite this being true, you've deluded yourself to the point of believing Kaworu is the only character in the entire franchise that is shallow, and has single-handedly ruined it for being present in 20 minutes of one fucking movie.
It's actually hilarious how butthurt one can get over a fictional character.
Assuming you can't read, Misato is included in the main 4.
Try describing his personality to me. Exactly what is he beyond >muh Yui
Wow, really well-developed.
Albeit realistic, she certainly wasn't fleshed out enough to make a real statement here.
this is why kaworufags are retarded
you basically accepted he's right, four main characters or whichever else you choose, are exactly as well-developed as he suggests
if there were five, you'd just go WELL NAME 6 and upwards.
even among those "backdrop characteres", we've got fuyutsuki, gendo and so on who are _all_ better developed characters and more interwoven in the story than kaworu has any chance to be.
but this was all 100%, fine, because he wasn't sucking up more than a part of an episode and he wasn't used poorly.
>b-but there's other shallow characters
anon, unlike kaworu the cancermachine, they aren't even there for a full minute in terms of screentime, certainly not having the entire story reworked to serve them for 20 minutes in a movie series which simply do not have the time to do that
until you accept just how shallow, and how shit kaworu is along with your entire existence as an "eva fan", you're cancer. because you mindlessly eat pandering since it's the only thing you can ever understand, you allow eva to fester.
Not him but:
>Exactly what is he beyond >muh Yui
wow, as expected of a kaworufag, can't see a character for more than their romantic desires.
You realize Fuyutsuki has an entire backstory basing himself as a doctor living in asia to help survivors, then moving on to discover the truth about 2nd impact and then resigning against the greater powers? He has an entire arc as a character, which of course you didn't watch because as a kaworufag you hate plot and character development.
>Albeit realistic, she certainly wasn't fleshed out enough to make a real statement here.
If she's realistic, she's well-fleshed out enough to convince you of that. There's a good portion of the character relating to several sides of womanhood, and some meaningful and deteriorating relationships that have solid, concrete value as opposed to your gay fantasies.
>You realize Fuyutsuki has an entire backstory basing himself as a doctor living in asia to help survivors
Half an episode of backstory and worldbuilding, where almost all of Fuyutsuki's scenes revolve around Yui is not well-developed. I suggest you pick up a book sometime, because your standards are extremely low.
You can't even describe Fuyutsuki's personality, that's how shallow he really is.
Low quality bait there kaworufag. You know you've lost it when you start slamming other characters, who are shown to be deeper than the one you're trying to defend.
This is why you're cancer, and it's why evangelion is little more than a pandering mess now. You're part of a grouping that'd sacrifice everything of value for some cheap, poor pandering you'll one day grow up and away from, realizing what an ass you were.
Your very existence is offensive.
>Can't even refute so has to resort to ad hominem
Maybe if you would read my posts properly you'd understand that I'm not slamming the characters, I'm simply showing just how biased you are towards Eva. You've deluded yourself over the years to think of NGE as some flawless masterpiece with in depth characters galore, when in reality there are flaws aplenty with shallow characters and plot devices to boot. Even characters like Asuka who are hailed for being well-developed and realistic are shown to not be as great in reality when Eva is viewed again. All of this is the result of biased and a sugar-coated viewing of Eva, which has led to enormous hate towards Rebuild, Kaworu, and all 'change' that the fanbase has been accused of doing.
Although, I wouldn't expect someone as irrational as you to understand any of this.
>biased towards EVA
>I think it's deeper than it is
>slamming the original characters and decrying it to defend the new canon and the pandering
I'm not surprised. I understand perfectly what you are.
I see reading comprehension is beyond your capabilities, so I'll take my leave from this conversation.
Both Anno and I look forward to the day you take off your rose colored glasses and look hard in the mirror. Until then, remember that both Kaworu and I love you.
Maybe in bizarro world. I do recall Shinji falling in love with Kaworu and Kaworu only. Perhaps you should give the show a rewatch and remember that concrete fact as well.
Kaworu still loves you no matter what anon, even if no one else will.
Kaworu is dead and he can't love anyone, he can't physically love anyone either because he's not a real human. Woops! Sorry to burst your gay fantasy.
Rev up your butthurt for 4.0.
Kaworu was shown to be eternally alive in Shinji's heart in EoE, representing love itself. Furthermore, it seems to be confirmed in Rebuildverse that Kaworu is a timelooper and is able to live as an immortal no matter how many times his lilin vessel is destroyed.
Humans are not the only organisms capable of love, anon-kun.
It's okay, anon. No matter how much hate you drown yourself and others with, Kaworu will gladly make up for with love. Please remember that no matter how many mistakes you make, no matter how many times you doubt yourself, Kaworu will unconditionally and eternally love you for just being yourself.
I don't think drowning is possible for Kaworu. As shown by his ability to survive on the moon I don't think he requires oxygen to sustain himself. Nonetheless, in the episode 24 drafts he did offer to commit a lover's suicide with Shinji by drowning, which Shinji himself desired to do.
But alas, whatever you wish upon poor Kaworu has no affect on his undying love for you. Even now, he wishes the absolute best for you and wills for you to succeed in finding happiness.
You're essentially supposed to feel bad by proxy. Shinji is clearly deeply troubled by having to kill him, and you are supposed to care about that more than Kaworu's death specifically.