Gon bottled everything up. He didn't even cry after their encounter with PItou. He barely let himself tear up when he confronted Kite's mutilated puppet corpse. And nobody actually said anything to him, not even Killua. I'm not blaming Killua, whose upbringing has stunted his ability to talk about emotions (that's why he gets embarrassed just from receiving Gon's praise and compliments), but the fact that he didn't comfort Gon and just let him persist in his delusion that everything was going to be okay was a huge problem.
tl;dr Gon was an overly optimistic boy who never had anything truly terrible happen in his life and had never really dealt with failure and none of the people around him were brave enough to confront him
>>122830073 Agreed. If only he had accepted that Kite was killed in the first place he could have taken his suffering in smaller doses. But his optimism is so powerful he instantly made even Killua think Kite was alive just by saying so.
>>122832046 The thing is Togashi decided to play it realistically. A kid as delusional as Gon is obviously going to freak out when he's finally forced to accept that things didn't turn out okay. It's similar to Meruem. I think many action series with a villain like that would just simply have him be an evil tyrant bent on destruction and nothing more, but when you consider the human genetics and intelligence level realistically, it's inevitable that he would get more complicated than that and have things he cares about. It's like Togashi looked at these 2 character archetypes and said "ok, but what would actually happen if these guys existed?"
>>122832046 It got apparent that there was something "wrong" with Gon during Greed Island arc, especially while fighting Genthru.
They initially had a plan set out and were to immediately execute it to capture genthru. Something inside gon told him "fuck it" and he went ahead and pushed himself to his limits, practically testing the waters by sacrificing his own fucking hands.
Even Genthru, a psycho mass murderer, was struck with fear at that moment and he himself said "that guy is a psycho!"
So, there you go, Gon is actually deeper than you think, ever since Greed Island, something changed about him and he was ready to sacrifice almost anything to get to his goal, regardless of how extreme the sacrifice would be.
You can see that in the dodgeball match vs Razor, where gon sacrificed Killuas hands, where gon sacrificed his own hands (which, in turn might be a self punishment for what he did to killua) aswell as sacrificing "everything" up against Pitou, because he could not achieve his goal of saving kite, ever, since Pitou took it from him. So it wasnt as much about the companionship between Gon and Kite, but more about Gon being determined on his goals, to the point where you could call him a psycho.
I think it might be something he got from Ging, pretty sure there might be something going on there, you dont get to be the #1 hunter in the world without loosening a few screws.
>>122833407 >which, in turn might be a self punishment for what he did to killua This seems likely, considering how satisfied he was with losing his arm because it made him like Kite, and in Knov's nen room he said that being unable to forgive yourself was a justification for self-harm.
>>122833407 >So it wasnt as much about the companionship between Gon and Kite, but more about Gon being determined on his goals, to the point where you could call him a psycho. I disagree. Gon obviously cared very deeply for Kite (unless you only watched the anime) It was made pretty clear that he was upset about Kite being dead much more than he was upset with his own failure
>>122833422 He may be built like a tank but that doesn't account for the fact he couldn't kill anybody given the circumstances of battle. Youpi only appeared to have won because he could simply endure whatever the humans threw at him, and at the end of any encounter he could have easily killed anyone of course. Perhaps he was restraining himself due to discovery of any emotion that could have ever existed within him. I think Shoot influenced him greatly throughout the rest of the saga as a reason for not slaying smoker-user-whatshisname for instance, which is what were given as canon information. Anyway, he was dealing with abilities that definitely inhibited him to to inflict any damage to the source of a nen user at basically any given time. Comparing to Shoot, which was straight up agility and brute force, I still think he could have died at the hands of Killua; despite what manga/anime portrayed as 'damage'. The motherfucker was stunned during Killua's onslaught and there is no debate about it. Killua was too fast for him, and he was likely inflicting measurable damage too (IDK, maybe I'm have a hard on for shota time in HxH like everyone else does).
This is a thread about Gon though. Do you guys think he'll have superior nen abilites since has to re-learn from scratch?
>>122834050 Killua just runs out of juice way too fast when he's using that ability for fighting rather than fleeing and travel. It seemed like he'd have to last like 10 times longer to start really damaging youpi
>>122834050 The only thing he seems to have going for him is speed. He's like Cheetu was in his first fight against Knuckle and Morel. He can wail on someone for a bit, but he can't deal a critical blow.
>>122833318 There might be a different/higher form of Nen on the DC. It would explain why Don may still be alive and going strong when it looks like even Netero would have had trouble pushing past 150.
>>122833407 >dodgeball match vs Razor, where gon sacrificed Killuas hands
This moment was so fucking good for their character/relationship development. If not for the CA arc, it could easily be taken as a generic power of friendship type speech. I remember watching it and doing a double take thinking "wait, that's kinda selfish and shitty, but I guess I'm supposed to think their friendship is noble", and it didn't feel hugely meaningful in the grand scheme of things.
But then you get CA arc with Gon and Killua both pointing out how Gon makes Killua do whatever he wants, and then shit hits the fan and hindsight shows how significant his past selfishness was.
>>122833407 >>122846397 The reason why Gon came back into the dodgeball battle was becaue Razor almost killed Killua. Razor wasn't going to hold back, and everyone knew that. Then after that Gon couldn't have another person take Killua's place because Killua was the only one that Gon could trust enough to keep a hold of the ball.
Gon asking Killua to hold the ball had nothing to do with selfishness, the only other option was Razor killing them.
>>122846840 What's more, Gon didn't really even ask Killua, Killua was willing to continue even before he had revealed his hands. Killua was going to do it anyway, Gon's little speech only served to make Killua happy
>>122846840 You have to be joking. It's one of the major, long running themes throughout the series that hunters are selfish and Gon is selfish. Ging specifically tells him so. You're not supposed to think highly of him for letting his friend get injured for whatever reason, this is battle shounen and usually you'd expect something different to happen to maintain the MC's good image (sacrificing himself instead of someone else, putting his friend above the match etc).
>>122847127 Yeah, it's almost like Killua is portrayed as unhealthily dependent on Gon and admires him beyond what's reasonable for most of the series.
>>122846909 Why would Togashi even write those lines in if they weren't significant? Gon is a shit to Killua and it's an important part of their characerization.
Am I on at a weird time or something? I've had so many discussions with /a/ about their relationship and literally everyone else has noticed these things.
The additional eye was a product of the manipulation of the nen system that Pitou and Pouf were working on. It's probably related to the mechanism that grants specialization to people under lots of stress or with very weird birth conditions.
>>122847127 Killua was forced to reveal his hands and the others are trying to force him to stay on the sidelines but Killua and Gon was asked why he would choose to have Killua hold the ball, and Gon told them straight up that he trusted Killua over them.
Context ruining the headcanon of ranting fags since the beginning of time.
>>122847343 Because its the context, of the scene your bringing up, which explains why the characters are behaving the way they are. Here's the thing if bringing up the context of a scene goes against your little headcanon, never held much water to begin with. Gon didn't let Killua get injured for no reason, Killua got injured as opposed to getting killed, I don't know about you but if I had a choice between my best friend getting murdered and hurting your friend's his hands, I would chose to hurt their hands because hands can heal but you can't return a life that already been lost.
>Why would Togashi even write those lines in if they weren't significant? Because it was a joke, one that wasn't true. Case in point, it wasn't Gon who decided to split up, it was Killua, Gon was against the whole idea.
Also you only have three moments to your claim that Gon was shit to Killua one of which was BTFO'd by the context of the situation, the other one was a joke that wasn't true, and third was when Gon was going through PTSD.
Again it doesn't erase the fact what Gon has done for Killua.
>>122848008 Not him but he does sometimes fail to understand other people's perspectives, like Hanzo and the Zoldycks' gatekeeper. Also there was a third choice, dropping out from the dodgeball game, but neither Gon OR Killua wanted that.
>>122847903 You seem to be under the impression I hate Gon and just want to shit on him. I'm not, he's my favourite and I know what he's done for Killua. I am saying it's Togashi's intention to portray him as selfish towards Killua.
>one of which was BTFO'd by the context of the situation I'm not saying he let Killua get hurt for no reason at all. It's supposed to come across as somewhat reasonable and justified, it's a subtle moment. But it shows that Gon is willing to let people get hurt and didn't even seek other options out to protect his friend, as the rest of the team were suggesting. This is completely atypical for someone in his role.
>the other one was a joke that wasn't true It wasn't played off as entirely serious, but when something gets repeated multiple times it holds significance. They were talking in generalities too, that it's not a one off, that Killua consistently does what Gon says.
>third was when Gon was going through PTSD. Yeah, and it resulted in them fighting, Killua bawling, and them eventually splitting up. Are we supposed to think their relationship is all rainbows and butterflies after that? They had serious issues to sort out and Gon was the one at fault, hence needing to apologise to Killua.
>>122848008 It's fiction and in situations like that the author would usually come up with an alternative unless they want someone to be characterized as the type to let a friend get injured for his sake. Which is generally considered selfish, and that's reinforced by a) the 'hunters are selfish' idea, and b) their issues in CA arc.
>>122848280 How is the situation with Hanzo selfish? What? Gon should have just gave up and let Hanzo win, despite knowing that Hanzo couldn't kill him and that , and despite the fact taht they were both competitors and if Gon gave up he would probably also be giving up the chance to become a Hunter?
The Zoldyck gatekeeper? If anything Gon understood all too well that the gatekeeper cared about Killua, but at the end of the day Killua didn't want to be there. Or do you think that Gon should have just left, Killua alone after the gatekeeper said "no".
If they dropped out of the dodgeball game they 1. wouldn't have beat Greed Island, which is the whole reason why they are there, and 2.its also highly likely that Razor would have killed them.
So yeah not much of choice there, they had to win.
Does anyone else think Togashi failed with the whole ''Gon is an amoral wild animal mountain boy" thing? I mean he's a mountain boy for sure, but to me he seems to have a very human sense of right and wrong, even if he can get a little feral when fighting his enemies.
>>122848957 Well, I don't think there are many people who have never hypocritically done something which they believe to be wrong before. Just because Gon threatened Komugi doesn't mean he believes it was the moral thing to do.
>>122848589 >I'm not saying he let Killua get hurt for no reason at all. It's supposed to come across as somewhat reasonable and justified, it's a subtle moment. The problem is that is that you're whole point falls apart the minute you bring up the context. there is no subtlety there, it just isn't an example that you though t it was. Gon literally only has a choice between his best friend's life or his hands and you're basically trying to say that choosing his hands is selfish. The character is in an extraordinary situation that requires an extraordinary and in order for your headcanon to hold water you have to ignore the context.
>It wasn't played off as entirely serious, but when something gets repeated multiple times it holds significance. They were talking in generalities too, that it's not a one off, that Killua consistently does what Gon says. You do realize that Killua had agreed to follow Gon until he figures out what he wants to do, so by default they'll end up going where Gon pleases, right? Also actions>>words, its funny that right after Killua also makes the joke, he for all intents and purposes handles Gon and gets him to do what he (Killua) wants him to do. Its a joke that we know isn't true, so therefore doesn't hold water.
>Yeah, and it resulted in them fighting, Killua bawling, and them eventually splitting up. Are we supposed to think their relationship is all rainbows and butterflies after that? They had serious issues to sort out and Gon was the one at fault, hence needing to apologise to Killua. So now you're saying that Gon shouldn't be allowed to be human and have emotions if they hurt Killua. Or Alternatively why didn't Killua notice that his best friend was going through PTSD until it blew up in his face?
>>122848589 Except there weren't any alternatives available for them. Again I'll say it if your headcanon can be destroyed by facts or context then your headcanon held any water to begin with.
>>122849218 It seems like you believe you can't analyse fictional events beyond face value. The author's choices are purposeful and meant to send specific messages about the characters. Togashi could have found a way around Killua getting hurt, they didn't have to discuss Killua doing whatever Gon says, they didn't need to have such a big emotional blow out. He's a good enough writer that I don't think he would include moments like that and intend them to be meaningless with no reflection on his characters or their relationship.
What I've said is an extremely common interpretation of the series, it's been discussed to death on /a/. Maybe it happens at more homo times of day because the Killuafags hate Gon for it.
>>122849796 I can but here's the thing, when I believe when one analyzes things that means that they cannot ignore things such as context and intent in order to make their analysis. If you have to do that then your analysis will automatically be wrong. Togashi made it clear very clear that there was no other way, because it was again an extraordinary situation, case in point its never brought up again. But because this gets in the way of your interpretation you don't want to accept. I said it before and I'll say it again if you have to tell someone to ignore the context of a situation in order to prove your theory, then your theory is shit.
What you've said is an extremely common interpretation of the series (let me guess these threads included a whole lot of Gon bashing from anime only viewers), but it doesn't make it anymore wrong. Do you want to know the real reason why Gon and Killua's relationship became a problem in the CA arc which was talked about in the last HxH threads?
Gon was going through PTSD and so didn't want to admit that Kite was dead and so became extreme optimistic to the point of dillusion. During this time Killlua was also dealing with the the manipulation from his family and latched on to that optimism, and so didn't see the fact that Gon's mindset was not a healthy one, but he couldn't because of his own problems.
>>122850277 Even without her king-serving instinct she still enjoyed torture and killing, so she probably wouldn't have been a person Gon would like.
It's possible that the horrible things she did to Pokkle could just be interpreted as doing whatever necessary to learn more about nen which was a tool for better serving the king, but I think it goes deeper than that. I think she enjoyed it. Colt is an example of an ant who could have been friends. He couldn't help but kill and eat humans because that's what his queen-serving instinct demanded of him, but he didn't like doing it at all.
>>122850425 >Togashi made it clear very clear that there was no other way He's the author. If the wanted there to be other options, and give Gon a way to avoid being the guy who won't protect his friend, he could have written them in. The context was specifically designed to put them in this situation and have Gon make a controversial choice that makes most of the audience think twice about him. You really underestimate Togashi's writing if you think he just wrote it because he couldn't think of any other way for them to win, or that he'd somehow miss what an unusual decision it is for a shounen MC to make.
You keep telling me I'm wrong, but it's just a subjective interpretation so I can't prove I'm right and neither can you. But the fact is that a work of fiction is intended to convey certain things and (ideally), shit shouldn't happen and lack meaning. If it was real life, maybe you'd be right. But it's not, it's created by a writer, and it's done with specific intentions in mind.
And I don't disagree with anything you said about the CA arc, it's all true. But again, that could have been expressed without involving relationship drama, it was included anyway because that's how Togashi has envisioned the character's relationships. It was foreshadowed and that's how it came to a climax.
>>122851176 And if the author makes no effort to show an out, then there isn't an out. Its seriously not rocket science. Your keep claiming that Gon had other choices, except that Togahi made it very clear that there weren't any. If Togashi show that the characters were capable of dodging or that there was another way he would have, but he didn't because he was showing was that THERE WASN'T ANY OTHER WAY. I'm not underestimating his writing but I do know that sometimes a situation is what it is.
Or alternatively sometimes people just read too deeply into something and see things that aren't really there, and then even miss out on the actual message. That's what you're doing.
>>122851371 No I'm just someone who believes in the full picture, what you and other anon literally just like if someone said... That person hit me... but kept out... That person hit me accidentally when the bus lurched.
There is a grand difference between these two statements. But what anon wants to say is that the first statement is what's most important despite the fact that the whole statement changes the entire meaning of the sentence.
>>122851502 >I don't have any reading comprehension. In the scan Gon outright tells Killua that if he had dodged in the wrong direction that Killua would have died. On top of that Hisoka just got his fingers broken, just trying to catch that ball. So yes the choice was between Killua's life and his hands.
>>122852810 he's probably under some contract to do x more chapters of hxh, or he'd start another series with sj or another mag/publisher. OR as popularly theorized he doesnt give a fuck because his wife who does sailor moon lets him live comfortably
>>122852899 >contract unfavourable to Togashi Good one anon
We know what happens when he gets sick of a series. He checks out completely and complains about his lack of motivation, then you get the end of YYH. You don't get the beginning of an ambitious, large scale arc with a huge cast of new characters and a set of complex plot points like we have with DC arc. His work ethic is erratic but it's very hard to believe he'd start something like that without being invested in the work.
>>122853063 hmm couldnt it also be that shit the pubs did in recent years to make the manga series the property of the publisher and not the author? he may have lost motivation due to that (like why negima was stopped before it took effect)
>>122853063 the reason why Togashi lost his ambition with YYH was because the editors at JUMP kept trying to order him to do things he didn't want and wouldn't allow him to write the story the way he wanted to.
As for HxH, it was stated officiallly that this hiatus is due to him actually have serious health problems.
>>122833407 >Even Genthru, a psycho mass murderer, was struck with fear at that moment and he himself said "that guy is a psycho!" >So, there you go, Gon is actually deeper than you think, ever since Greed Island Kek, kids do dumb psychotic shit all the time.
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