Which is the better studio?
Sunrise boasts franchises like Gundam, Code Geass and Cross Ange among others.
Madhouse has Hunter X Hunter, Death Parade and Parasyte.
This is what plebs actually believe.
It's a mediocre adaptation with poor direction, lacklustre visuals and shitty characters, though I would blame that on the source material.
Everyone knows that Gintama is better than HunterxHunter. Gintama is pretty much one of the most rare shows to have a variety of genres and still be able to execute them really well.
And please don't bring Parasyte into this especially with its shit music and direction.
Are you seriously using Shit Parade as a defense mechanism for Madhouse? You have all of these:
>Diamond no Ace
>Hajime no Ippo
and you choose that garbage?
>Sunrise boasts franchises like Gundam, Code Geass and Cross Ange among others.
All 3 are shit. Especially Gunam & Ange.
>Madhouse has Hunter X Hunter, Death Parade and Parasyte.
Based, based, and based. Madhouse wins, no contest.
I'd go with Madhouse, unless you're really all about mecha.
>Sunrise boasts franchises like Gundam, Code Geass and Cross Ange among others.
You could have put more currently airing shows and nothing as shit as Cross Ange though.
>Madhouse has Hunter X Hunter, Death Parade and Parasyte.
Gee, aren't you biased here.
Almost all of Sunrise's claims to fame have been original anime.
Madhouse on the other hand does almost exclusively adaptations. Even among the three examples OP gave only Death parade isn't an adaptation.
Oh forgot MH did GG, Okay Madhouse wins by a country mile.
Texhnolyze and GG two of the best shows are dicking on Sunrise.
True but some of the original anime they've done are easily on par if not better than anything Sunrise has done.
It's much easier to adapt something that already has a large fan base. Anime like Death note, CCS, and Parasyte could have been done by a multitude of studios and still have been successes.
It's like saying ufotable is a good studio despite the fact that all they do is make high-budget adaptations of extremely popular TM shit.
Original anime often doesn't have that luxury.
The impact isn't nearly the same.
Anime like 0079, Votoms, and Patlabor, in addition to them each being good in their own right, collectively pioneered an entirely new genre of anime.
Madhouse has nothing of the sort.
I can't wait until MAPPA establishes itself as the new best studio in a few years.
>Sunrise's version of Patlabor
>Not Production I.G's
My Hime was Sunrise's 1st attempt at the type of over the top garbage they spew out like VVV or Cross Ange.
Those show selections have to be bait - Cross Ange, DP, and Parasyte will be forgotten within the year (Ange might still have hype threads, I guess, because its fanbase is addicted).
Ignoring that, Madhouse'd win even if you removed everything but Kon, though /m/fags obviously should be directed to Sunrise.
Madhouse is God tier when it comes to adaptions.
>Moryou no Hako
They have a bit further to go before they can match the falls of Bones and Gainax.
Your post was about the impact, and the quality comment was an aside that didn't dispute that Madhouse's shows were on par with or better than the ones you named. Stop being a debatefag.
People Dickriding Madhouse is especially hilarious when they are the ones who adapted Mahou Senou. Pretty the worst unredeemable piece of trash of the decade. Even Sunrise hasn't adapted shit as worse as that.
I didn't say the quality wasn't there. My point is Madhouse's originals like Dennou Coil or Paranoia Agent or Texhnolyze or Kemonozume or Kaiba are all as good if not better than Sunrise originals. You're the one who bought up the impact.
>adaptions are easy to do
That must be why every adaption is so top tier. Oh wait
>pretending to be retarded
Most anime are adaptations.
People seem to be forgetting Madhouse's best animation team these days are the ones doing HxH. Everything else gets handed to korean slavework. 90's and early 00's talent from Madhouse are mostly gone now or left for other studios.
Adaptations can only ever be as good as their source material (the majority of which aren't).
If you want to include adaptations you can't just cherry pick the good stuff either. You have to include all the garbage like Mahou Sensou, mahouka, Btooom, and all their horrible comic book hero adaptations.
You missed the point.
Adaptations largely reflect on their source material unless the studio take a bunch fo creative liberties (which almost always only make things worse). Pointing to an adaptation as a way of saying a studio is good is entirely pointless because you could just as easily list all the trash adaptations Madhouse has done.
Your fuckin stupid it gets better right after 20 or so episodes not 150 you piece of shit.
Why does anyone see it, then? Do people decide they'd rather spend three days watching trash to prepare themselves for a couple dozen good episodes than watch a half-dozen good series (or LotGH or a fifth of Gundam or something)?
Hajime no Ippo
Hunter × Hunter
No Game No Life
Is this even a competition?
>unless the studio take a bunch fo creative liberties (which almost always only make things worse)
Good thing Madhouse is good at that too.
That's the entire point.
Now apply that logic the other way around for a second. Good adaptations usually have good source material too. It hardly says anything about the studio.
>a variety of genres and still be able to execute them really well.
Gintama is fucking hilarious and I love it but the 'serious' arcs are mediocre at best. They're always painfully generic and overly melodramatic, it's like Sorachi is so used to parodying battle shounen that he can't come up with anything but a poor imitation of other series. They're full of bad speeches and sob story flashbacks, compare it to something like the CA arc and it just doesn't measure up.
>current Sunrise is pretty good
It's not about improving it though.
All Madhouse (or any other studio producing an adaptation) needs to do is follow the safe route of sticking with the source material, and as long as their animators or budget don't suck, they will likely produce a passable adaptation.
What it boils down to is the success of the adaptation has much more to do with the author of the source material than anything the studio does.
>Why does anyone see it, then?
Most anime watchers don't value their own time, myself included. If you're smart though, you'll just skip the episodic shit and watch the 50-ish episodes that actually matter.
Yes. All of those listed are just absolutely awful. Do you seriously think they're good?
>Grouping terrible, uninspired adaptations like Monster, HxH and Parasyte with projects from talented directors like Death Note and Black Lagoon.
Ya blew it. Yes, those adaptations took a lot of creative liberties and did some things worse than their sources, but they had a creative vision and appeal all of their own. That's what makes a good adaptation, not faithfulness, big guy.
>First, never underestimate the importance of how you convey visual information. Anime is in as good a state as it ever has been, but the >50 episode series is a dying art and the biggest reason why is a lack of capable episode directors. HxH might be an engaging story in its own right but if its presentation is poor then entire work will suffer. Second, anime adaptations where a personal vision supersedes the original source material are generally preferable to a straight adaptation, regardless of the quality of said original material. This isn’t just an empirical observation (FMA>FMA:B, Sailor Moon OG>Sailor Moon Crystal) but something fundamental: if the director cares about the adaptation personally, then they have a greater stake in its success. Say what you will about Furuhashi’s additions here and there; the direction and writing in HxH 1999 are far more consistently and cohesively realized than the Madhouse adaptation, which suffers from extreme disparities in quality on an episode-by-episode basis.
You clearly don't understand what that means. Stop defending your god awful shows and fuck off back to watching funimation dubs.
You can't just dismiss adaptations as easy like that. Studios constantly manage to fuck them up. Go to a thread for the MM or Dumpire adaptations. People are mad even before the shows begin.
>Stop defending awful shows
>Because taste can be objectively measured as good or bad!
I really want to meet the master of anime who objectively judge if a show is considered good or bad
You persist in using that word but still it makes no sense in the context of the conversation. And you still have the audacity to call someone else retarded?
Please fuck off back to MAL or reddit or wherever you came from. You're not wanted here.
>anime adaptations where a personal vision supersedes the original source material are generally preferable to a straight adaptation
That kind of argument doesn't hold up at all, see Bokurano.
You are insecure retard who believes that everyone who doesn't like your trash is Shounenfag or something else.
Your posts just scream "Stop liking what I don't like!!", you are an idiot and a hivemind drone, if you want people who have different opinions to leave then kill yourself. I have been here long enough and got used to retards.
Normalfag please go.
Watch more than 10 anime and you'll realize that those series are shit.
Not him, and I don't know how much I'd agree with his statement, but that blog guy is assuming the changes are made based on a personal commitment by the director to some aspect of the work, which definitely wasn't there for Bokurano. It wasn't just that the director took liberties - he did so without any understanding of why the manga was good to begin with.
I can see how shaken you are writing this just by the multitude of errors in your short post. It wouldn't surprised me if you hadn't been here over a year because you'd know by this point not to act like a complete retard who can only spout buzzwords. Seems like the whole hivemind argument is just an easy counter to anyone who's willing to tell you that the shows you listed previously are total garbage.
I'm also tired of this argument which is total crap. We were talking about the quality of the shows. Not everything is subjective and it's annoying to see that people try to shut down any discussion just by pulling out the subjectivity card. Some shows are worse than others. I don't give a fuck what you like to watch but you need to realize that there are qualities that can be objectively measure in order to determine whether a show's quality is good or bad.
I'm not wasting anymore breath. You guys are genuinely making /a/ a worse place and it makes me sad.
Yes, taste can't be objectively measured, and neither can any scientific claim be objectively proven, because muh solipsism, but I wouldn't fault /sci/ for telling a solipsist to fuck off when they're trying to discuss Barnett integrals, and you shouldn't fault /a/ for telling people who think recent Madhouse is good to fuck off.
Ha, I'm not even the guy you originally responed to
No I'm not angry at all, I'm just amused,
Sorry but I'm not native English so I occasionally make mistakes, deal with it you American scum.
You are still a faggot trying to fit in.
>>122853924 < Exactly this.
Fans who complain about BL, DN, Monogatari etc. adaptations don't know how lucky they are. And their devotion to the originals blinds them to the qualities of their good/great adaptations.
Bokurano's director didn't like the manga, that's why he took liberties. You could call that commitment to his own vision.
Not all anime director's personal visions for an adaptation are equal.
One of the reasons he didn't like it was because of how dark it was. He hated the idea of killing all the characters off.
There's a good reason why he never gets hired anymore.
In Best Sunrise will have another based year with Mai-HiME returns this fall season.That's all I want for this year to have more HiME goodness than ever.
Yes, it's technically a 'vision,' but the linked post was talking about situations where the director likes the series and sees something in it that he really wants to work with, while I think the Bokurano guy just got stuck with a project he didn't feel a connection with and wound up directing an entirely different show from the one he was hired to do.
You clearly don't lurk enough.
Tfw you wanted madhouse to do prison school but they're doing opm instead
>The only time Nana is mentioned on /a/ are in lists like this
To be fair, who would even be willing to adapt something that twisted and sadistic faithfully and associate their names with it? Bokurano would never pass an anime adaptation without major changes.
I don't get what you mean about accepting or rejecting it. If you want a different example, literal taste isn't objective, obviously, but that doesn't mean some kid who eats dirt will be speaking at a gourmet chef convention.
Konaka would have done it, but Kitoh probably wouldn't have let him near after Narutaru. Honestly, the only thing that would have been an issue for a straight adaptation was the teacher, and I don't think that's as 'bad' as what they showed in Narutaru's anime.
STOP POLLUTING THIS THREAD RETARDS! I'm so mad at you. Go sit in the corner while the big boys talk.
Bad writing. Even if it is a toy commercial.
Overrated garbage. Trainwreck for the retarded.
Trainwreck for the braindead. No one asked for this pile of dogshit.
Notice how quality threads are often 50% sunrise. there's your answer.
You don't even have to bitch about changes. The OST is really inconsistent (it works for unexpected musical cues, but the actual background music didn't do it for me), they cut tons of corners (look at the crowds), and they tried to pass off some looped animation of flailing arms as fight sequences. Migi's voice was the only thing of value the anime brought to the table.
>people try to shut down any discussion just by pulling out the subjectivity card.
People do that when retards start to label others opinions automatically as shit because they said liking something,you want to discuss the quality of something?Fine but don't try to be a elitist faggot who genuinely thinks that his opinion is hot shit.
That said,what's considered good or bad is subjective because what's good for someone can be total shit for other people.
I can shout billions of arguments but i'll never prove that Dark side of the moon is better than the last Katy perry album,because in the opinion of someone all the things that i said about DSOTM being good is exactly what makes bad for him and i cannot prove that my viewpoint is more valid than his.Also,the logic behind the explanation of ''why X is better than Y'' is purely based on personal perspective and experiences,even if we try to reach a objectively conclusion that conclusion will mostly likely be flawed because our personal perspective will always be tied with our logic reasoning.
For anyone who is thinking about replying to this with the strawmen shit of ''well,you can't prove anything!In any area of knowledge'',go fuck yourself.i'm not gonna bother explaining why this is stupid.
That doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss the quality or flaws in a anime/show(or anything) to reach a logical conclusion,what we shouldn't do is label the opinion of someone who likes that something as objectively shit,this is especially truth for shows that are universally loved like Death note because you're also going against the common sense.
> what we shouldn't do is label the opinion of someone who likes that something as objectively shit
It's not objectively shit. It's still shit, though. Just like liking something is subjective, thinking your opinion is shit is subjective.
Not that anon, but Sunrise has 11 internal numbered studios, plus DID the CGI Studio, and Nerima (which i think is getting disolved) all in house.
I'm not sure how many madhouse has if it even has any