Which studio is better?
Both are known for stunning visuals and art design, and they're both considered pioneers in computer animation.
I.G. boasts a lot of classics like Ghost in the Shell, Mobile Police Patlabor and Jin-Roh while also maintaining a presence today with works like Guilty Crown, Robotics;Notes, Attack on Titan and Psycho Pass. They also have Mamoru Oshii on board, one of the most innovative directors in the industry.
ufotable have only recently come to promonence, but they're generally considered the best studio when it comes to animation today. There aren't a lot of anime that have more fluid animation than Kara no Kyoukai, and on top of that, they're doing a good job at adapting the Fate Franchise, starting with the universally popular Fate/Zero.
Production I.G hands down.
Their newer shows aren't really memorable and easily forgettable like maria whatever it is but the animation is nevertheless still above the standard average.
I.G. has done more impressive shows than Ufotable considering their long history, but their TV shows these days lack polish compared to Ufotable's. Their digital work also isn't that great these days. But I.G. at their best beats Ufo's. They've got more contacts with talented animators and directors, not to mention they have the likes of Hiroyuki Okiura and Tetsuya Nishio working for them who are among the industry's best animators.
No they are certainly not the best studio out there, IG has picked up a reputation for that QUALITY episode, They are better than most I'll agree but "stunning visuals and art design" is going over board for a studio that isn't even top 3.
>they're generally considered the best studio when it comes to animation today
By who? People who refuse to accept that KyoAni knows how to animate?
Anyway, this goes to ufotable without contest, but only because they make less things and so have less opportunity for major fuckups.
>but they're generally considered the best studio when it comes to animation today
I disagree, their animators are quite good but their real strength is their special effects department
>There aren't a lot of anime that have more fluid animation than Kara no Kyoukai
What? KnK has a lot of great scenes but they aren't that fluid. It also helps that they had movie budgets for it.
>Enjoy your shitty CG, special effects, and Type/Shit
No one even brought up Code Geass, What is wrong with you?
It's true that I.G.'s TV series have been lackluster in the animation department though. They tend to get it right with their movies though. Well, save for Arise which frankly looked mediocre outside of the first movie.
>ufotable is typemoon bitch
I love this meme.
Ufotable because none of I.G's modern shows are worth remembering whatsoever and they even look like shit. Ufo on the other hand has made the godly Garden of Sinners, the great Fate/Zero and now the good Fate/stay night. Some of their smaller works such as the short Tales of were also nice timewasters.
Production I.G may have been one of the best 10 years ago, but nowadays they downright suck.
This was produced 15 years ago and still looks better than anything Ufotable's ever done.
Currently? ufotable without a doubt. IG has a glorious history, but their recent works are average. Still picture matches in Basugay, QUALITY in the majority of Guilty Crown and PP episodes. It's like they aren't even trying.
No shit, Sherlock. Like I said, I.G at their best are mighty impressive. Still, it's a shame their digital composite work in the Blood movie remains as one of their best. They haven't made much progress in that area, the colouring in Arise for instance looks atrocious.
Haikyuu's animation was consistently solid, but it wasn't excellent. It got the job done anyway, so I ain't complaining. I.G. sure did spend a lot of money on that one though, the animation credits were always packed with names.
>I.G at their best are mighty impressive
Same goes for Sunrise too. Have you seen their OVAs?
Sure, Sunrise can do good stuff too. But I'm still more impressed by I.G.'s movies like Innocence and Jin-Roh where Hiroyuki Okiura had a major role in them. His realistic style of animation never fails to impress.
ufotable is good at adding CG effects/models natrually (compare to most studios) into the animation and it looks great. It also puts a lot of effort into drawing backgrounds.
It's pretty average in any other aspects though.
Not really comparable to IG.
>award winning big boy in the industry with +10 sub-studious
>Cheapshits who only get praise for their Type-Moon shit adaptions
>Everything not-Type Moon gets ignored or is garbage like Gyo
>Everything not-Type Moon gets ignored
A shame, really.
> Their newer shows aren't really memorable and easily forgettable like maria whatever
Funny you mention Maria since that's actually their best show in recent years. But I sure as hell can't wait for Sarusuberi. Also, they should fund new Oshii Ghost in the Shell movie as to show these Arise shitheads how it's done.
>good visuals and art design
>pioneers in computer animation
>a good thing
>Kara no Kyoukai
There is so much retardation in one post I have a hard time telling if this is masterfully crafted bait or a really retarded and ignorant moron
>the industry is embracing it so it's a good thing
The industry only cares about money, if they get to kill off talented animators that cost a lot of money when they can replace it with amateur cgi animators which can do more work for less then they will. It has nothing to do with improving the quality of the shows.
Enjoy your plastic visuals and animation from now on because some ceo wants a new yacht
Ufotable's post-processing ultra-digital philosophy is some stupid shit that will date their shows pretty quickly. Kara no Kyoukai already looks dated. The stupid Fate/Zero final fight between Kotomine and Kiritsugu already looks dated. The first God Eater OP looks dated.
That said, Yoyo to Nene, Minori Scramble and Yuri-seijin are gorgeous and way better than anything they've done for TM or game OPs.
just saw kyouhao no kanata, jesus fuck i thought nobody in japan knew how to visualize in 3d and animate the correct perspective instead of profile, handful of 3-quater view and police lineup shots
Their photography is fantastic, but their approach to CG textures could use some changing. They should abandon their semi-photrealistic style and switch to something more cel-shaded for their vehicles for instance. Something like KyoAni's approach towards CG vehicles would be nice.
Redline was the last hurrah for purely hand-drawn animation. Its financial bellyflop almost killed Madhouse, nobody will ever try anything on the same scale ever again.
Their photography clashes with the character art; if they drew their characters with volume and more 3D-looking like IG used to do for their movies it would be fine, but their characters have typical anime profiles, noses that make no sense in perspective, angular chins and inconsistent eyes, the 3D realistic cinematography just doesn't work. It's most evident in the first God Eater OP.
>Not mentioning Yoyo to Nene.
>Mentioning Attack on Titan and Guilty Crown.
>Implying Mamoru Oshii's didn't reach his peak with the first GitS movie and hasn't been producing shit ever since.
1/10 made me reply.
I think more than semi-photorealistic they just need to actually look at it more. The shadows for example here are far too harsh. Usually the biggest problem is caused by bad camera tracking.
I.G. more impressive than Ufo.
Probably Ufo use all their budget for the lightning and background design. But they must be moron if thinking that using mach speed action to fool audience with "sharp eyes".
The action is generic and probably designed by 3DCG / computer rather than draw manually. I.G has better sakuga in Tales of Vesperia, they use slow motion and detailed action.
in short, for these two videos, I prefer I.G.
Coyote Ragtime show was shit.
Futakoi was decent at best.
Gyo was terrible.
What does that even leave? Gakuen Utopia?
ufotable might as well just change their name to TM animation works at this point.
Type-moon has a fanbase rivaling if not exceeding that of mainstream shounen.
All ufotable does is get to make high-budget adaptations of an already extremely popular franchise. DEENstay Night even broke 25k for fuck's sake.
It is the single more fair-weather sailor of anime studios. There are at least a dozen studios you could put in ufotable's position and they would crank out the exact same shit.
This is the second time some retard who has no idea what they are talking about starts a thread about comparing two studios, both times being presented similarly. Does that mean OP is getting paid to gather this kind of information?
Ufotable has good animation though, not just flashy choregraphy. It's quite clear in UBW and Yoyo to Nene.
They aren't KyoAni-tier when it comes to acting and shit, but they have been trying hard.
>it was a long time ago so the animation should be worse
Studios are just more lazy because it's cheaper and more profitable that way, Production I.G are no exception. Very few studios attempt to break that mold, ufotable is one among few others that do.
>Very few studios attempt to break that mold, ufotable is one among few others that do
Using too much CG effect to hide shitty animation is really "breaking that mold".
You've never seen a studio blend CG into their animation as well as ufotable have, I can assure that.
This entire thread is clearly a "my favorite show was made by X studio so they're better" thread, and it just so happens that most of /a/ dislike the new Fate anime because it's gotten popular amongst normalfags.
Comparing studios always turns to shitposting because they don't like the material they adapt, rather than comparing the visuals and actual faithfulness to their material, or even something as simple as if the studio is trying hard enough. Ufotable adapts T-M work because they have a close relationship and work together to ensure the material is faithful, Nasu even wrote the new parts that were added into the ufotable UBW anime to ensure that they're canon.
Fucking this. Ufotable and KyoAni both makes a very good use of CG. People complains that Ufotable does nothing but TMshit, but when they do non-TM shit (Yoyo to Nene) they don't talk about it.
And to be honest, their TMshit top-tier production-wise, aside from that one QUALITY episode in F/Z and the batcave fight, Ufotable has progressed a lot since KnK.
Yeah I can see that. The choregraphies in UBW where really more DBZ like, wich takes less effort animation-wise (except for the Kuzuki/Shirou fight I guess).
I would really like to see Ufotable do some kind of SoL show or any kind of TV anime not involving combats, just to see how they do with actings alone. Actually, I'd love it if they used the TM money to make an original.
>You've never seen a studio blend CG into their animation as well as ufotable have, I can assure that.
Rewatch Innocence, it still looks a hundred times better than anything by Ufo's CG team.
The Vesperia OP has a few cheap-looking frames/cuts while Xillia 2 is more consistent.
Other than that, there isn't much difference between the two, wich is to be expected for OP's.
That said, I prefer the Vesperia one, the cuts with blue fighting the golem and pink in the flower field (forgot their names) are really cool and kinda make up for the shitty ones like the horrid cut where a spell is used against the monsters.
But it probably comes down more to directing that animation quality, the few scenes with a lot of action going on in the Xillia one being either fairly short or simple.
This one >>122891404 is both consistent and kickass though.
Their machspeed action is on model though, also most japanese animators use paper and so does Ufotable. People wo complain about digital animation forget that the "digital" part is used for FILMING (and every fucking one do that, nobody's going to waste their time painting cellos anymore).
In Hyouka, first episode, the cut where Oreki enter the litterature room and see Chitanda for the first time. The background is made in a really well-done 3DCG.
There is also a cut near the end of the Disappearance movie, the one where they get on the rooftop of the hospital.
Their worst looking 3DCG is probably in Haruhi when they fight against that digital lifeform made in shitty 3DCG inside the computer.
Im looking forward to ufotable without the limitations of type moon shitty stories and characters.
Currently, UFO beats IG easily.
What people who say "IG is better" don't remember is that those good shows that they're thinking of are old now, and IG has not been that good for a while, while UFO is at their peak (last KnK movie, F/Z, UBW, Majokko).
Post Xillia 1, it's much better than both.
Don't you fucking hate it when fucking newfags pretend to know what they're talking about, and people buy it?
>Both are known for stunning visuals and art design, and they're both considered pioneers in computer animation.
What? How? They're not Pixar for fuck's sake. Most of IG's most famous stuff use very little CG. And ufotable, though they do use CG quite a bit, especially in aftereffects, are hardly pioneers - they really only started doing that shit in the new decade.
>I.G. boasts a lot of classics like Ghost in the Shell, Mobile Police Patlabor and Jin-Roh while also maintaining a presence today with works like Guilty Crown, Robotics;Notes, Attack on Titan and Psycho Pass. They also have Mamoru Oshii on board, one of the most innovative directors in the industry.
SnK was more WIT than anything, can hardly considering production cooperation the same as, well, being the main studio. Anime is incestuous, all studios work together to some extent. Mamoru Oshii is a great director, but he hasn't made an anime in almost TEN YEARS. Wouldn't say he's "onboard".
>ufotable have only recently come to promonence,
Manabi Straight was pretty well loved on /a/. And NinNin, and Futakoi, and whatnot. Not just on /a/, but everywhere. Famous shows in the 2000s. Not THAT recent.
>but they're generally considered the best studio when it comes to animation today.
By who? Who fucking thinks that way
>There aren't a lot of anime that have more fluid animation than Kara no Kyoukai,
I'll name 10, all in the last 10 years, each a different studio
The Madoka Movie
The Wan Piss Movie (Any)
Omae Umasou da
Welcome to the Space Show
Princess and the Frog
KnK, production wise, is middle of the road AT BEST
>starting with the universally popular Fate/Zero.
Since fucking when? F/Z was a piece of shit for anyone not new.
You retards should feel bad for eating up his shit.
>Kara no Kyoukai already looks dated
Are you retarded?
And season two was somehow worse.
>Since fucking when? F/Z was a piece of shit for anyone not new.
SURE ARE JAPANESE OTAKU NEW, THAT'S WHY IT SOLD SO MUCH
You're right on some points, but your taste is muddling the whole argument.
He's acting like a retard too.
Hey yI, don't be so mad. Did you forget to take your Ritalin or something?
If you were so easily triggered by my OP, you're going to get pretty angry at the next thread I have in mind.
Vesperia Opening reminds me of Gintama for some reason.
Also in terms of openings its hard to say my favourite, musically I really liked Xillia and Abyss and the only one that was mediocre was Graces f. Visually probably Xillia 2 looks the best.
More on topic Ufo haven't done much that's relevant, I liked Manabi Straight but that was hardly visually impressive and I'm not really into Fate. Production I.G has a lot more under their belt so I dunno know why OP would compare them.