Which Studio is better?
Trigger are hot the new studio on the block who have made Inferno Cop and the now legendary Kill la Kill. Their list of anime might be small, but they carry the essence of GAINAX over the last 15 years with guys like Hiroyuki Imaishi and Masahiko Ohtsuka, who all worked on anime like Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, FLCL, Panty & Stocking etc.
As for SHAFT, they've been around for a while, but they've shot to prominence over the last 10 years. They're primarily known for the universally popular Monogatari Series and Puella Magi Madoka Magica, but were also successful with older hits like Natsu no Arashi, Sayonara Zetsubo Sensei and Hidamari Sketch.
No because that's Gainax.
That isn't Trigger, What a fucking dumb thread.
This isn't necessarily "which studio has the better shows".
That's an important factor, but it's also the staff they're comprised of. Trigger was formed by the guys who did those Gainax Anime, and therefore, those should factor in to a certain extent.
>Trigger carry the essence of GAINAX during those years.
Trigger only carry a portion of the essence of Gainax. Studio Khara being the others carrying other portion. And current Gainax has the lefovers.
>Ship of Theseus
Go read a fucking book, Lelouche
So what? Shaft now also isn't the same Shaft from 10 years ago.
You people really need to study philosophy. It's like I'm talking to a classroom of children.
Isn't TRIGGER working on some new series right now that might very well be the second saving of anime as we know it?
If based TRIGGER can deliver they are sure to assume legendary status.
OP, I understand what you say, but you are still essentially comparing both Shaft and Trigger as studios.
Trigger has their own distinct style from Gainax now.
Kill la Kill it's not an anime Studio Gainax would have done. The nearest thing would be TTGL, and still, Imaishi was being monitored and whiped by his superiors to not go too crazy. Also, the budget.
Hideaki Anno was also part in Re:Cutey Honey and KareKano where Imaishi was doing his forte: animation. But those areall Gainax, not Trigger.
>So what? Shaft now also isn't the same Shaft from 10 years ago.
As in "Pre-Shimbo Shaft" "Shimbo Shaft" and "Post-Shimbo Shaft"? Sure, but they were still Shaft.
Trigger is still relatively a brand new studio that need to make more brands on their own.
have a reply cause I think you're cute
I almost said SHAFT, but the only thing they have going for them is Aoki Ume and whatever she's involved with. They handle adaptations of certain works okay for the most part, but I'd have trouble giving anything I loved willingly to them. Almost every one of their works feel the same thanks to them using the same tired ass angles for the past forever.
Trigger has Inferno Cop and Little Witch Academia, and while Kill la Kill was a huge disappointment for me, I was certainly more entertained by it than most of what SHAFT puts out. Plus, they actually animate something other than a neck tilt every now and then.
Hidamari Sketch is the greatest SOL of all time
>mfw Yoshinari makes a moeshit SoL with Nakashima writing the characters.
Generally shit in every regard
Made several fantastic anime between 2006-2010, unleashed many great directions upon the world, and created the first megahit of the 2010s
I'm gonna go with Shaft.
>The only god one so far was Madhouse vs Sunrise.
But Madhouse died ages ago while Sunrise is still Sunrise its a no brainer
I want to believe this is bait, but the summary style makes me suspect you're just a reddit faggot who's been watching anime for two years.
It's one of the most boring shows I've ever seen.
Hidamari Sketch is the greatest SOL of all time
>mwfw when this is true
> You people really need to study philosophy
Try reading Quine, you il/lit/erate faggot. Madhouse doesn't get to take credit for Lain or Haibane Renmei. Gainax doesn't get roasted for 3.0. Guilty Crown is not on WIT's guilty conscience. Trigger did not make FLCL.
Of course it's bait.
Everything that even mentions Trigger in a positive light is literally just an excuse for people to post
>Trigger has done literally nothing good. Everything they make is a poorly flash animation puppet show
for 200+ posts
KLK is overrated as fuck. Little Witch Academia was a masterpiece so I'll give that one to Trigger. Everything else is just there.
Overall, Shaft just has more on the table. It's an unfair comparison. You're comparing what Trigger MIGHT become as opposed to what SHAFT is and has.
>You're comparing what Trigger MIGHT become as opposed to what SHAFT is and has.
This. If you're gonna keep making these threads choose studios that have similar sized portfolios. And it's really fucking stupid to put Trigger into one of these when they've only done two TV series and a couple OVAs.
What you guys do all the time is the same shit as debating over which book publisher is the best. Protip: It may matter, but it'll probably be much more interesting to talk about the writer.
>legendary Kill la Kill
You know what sold 60k copies and is one of the best selling anime after 2000? Not KLK.
>even though it's one of the best anime to come out this decade
It really isn't though. Just try watching episodes 8-18 again. Just try to me you didn't have the urge to quit the series during this terribly paced episodes.
I don't know, anon.
Madoka's character designs never meant any moe in my life. They are just Shaft's usual thing.
reused animated frames. They are so obvious in klk. Only retarded faggots aren't able to spot them.
>Popularity =/= quality
Obviously since KLK actually sold 10k, can you imagine something with the same production value let's say World Break this season selling 10k? Also it's not top50 maybe not even top100.
For me, it's Trigger
Intelligent, nihilistic, with a wicked sense of humor.
SHAFT wins out for me, but that's probably the nostalgia talking. I couldn't care less about the Monogatari stuff they've been pumping out recently.
It's this thread again. Same style as before, the titles are once again google results and not insight on what /a/ talks about. OP is obviously getting paid for this. Why are the janitors doing nothing?
SHAFT is my favourite studio though
If you don't accept Kill la Kill as high art, then you are an insufferable human being, and are not fit to have an opinion on anime as an artform anyway. Stick to trashy fanservice, and drop the pretension of knowing what you'e talking about. Thanks in advance!
>implying klk has no fanservice
all that smooth animation doesn't magically turns it into a highly respectable piece of artwork. The damn thing is so fucking repetitive in term of plot and animation itself, the only innovative was the "clothing" theme. What in the actual fuck, anon.
Trigger clearly has no clue how to manage their time, money, and human resources compared to how Gainax could right up until their departure.
Shaft is just cheap as fuck and you suckers lap up their nearly 100% CGI but for the characters themselves productions.
Animation is the weakest of KLK's strengths.
Nakashima is a brilliant playwright, and his script is full of thematic metaphor and driven by a strong leitmotif that is never compromised.
Kill la Kill is too intelligent for /a/. They notice wordplay and think they have it all figured out, then completely embarrass themsleves by saying the direction ever changed or the plot was ever subverted.
Most anon see fast paced action and titilating fanservice and are too shallow to notice the depth that lurks underneath.
Kill la Kill is a masterpiece. Shaft has never made a respectable piece of art. Madoka was a nice attempt, but its characters were too weak to carry it, and the art was pretentious. The symbolism was shallow and was never referenced in the structure of the narrative.
Nah, I don't even feels that way.
It's the thing when you can actually understand 切る(or 斬る) and 着る moonrunes stands for. The whole thing basically revolves around these two words. No metaphor whatsoever, anon.
>No metaphor whatsoever
Like I assumed, /a/ is too unintelligent for Kill la Kill.
The "stage" is a metaphor that is constantly referenced.
Stop posting. You're like an irritating fly on the wall.
>not for unintelligent people
You are trying to delve deeper into something that is very shallow. What the fuck, anon. Do you even read what I've posted earlier?
At this point, I know you are just baiting me, but who the cares anyway.
Well he's the best SHAFT has ever had at their disposal, which is why they can never enter the realm of Trigger and make a hollistic work of high art.
You simply don't understand it because you're a shallow individual. You didn't even recognize the metaphor of the stage, and you probably don't even know the driving force of the red string of fate, which is tied into 'life-fiber' and the 'heart' of the Kamui which functions on a blood bond and thrives when fear is left behind and the stage is taken with confidence and resolve.
You are a basic bitch.
Imaishi anime has wide appeal. The fact that you think the two are mutually exclusive shows your complete and utter lack of intelligence.
> I couldn't care less about the Monogatari stuff they've been pumping out recently.
Fuck why is this shit series so popular? Is it simply because of the waifus?
Shit has no story.
I'm surprised that you could find any "clever" or any other similar word in the post I have posted.
Kiru wordplay or puns in klk characters' names are not "clever" too. They were too obvious, anon.
Please enlighten me with the metaphors you got in klk, because believe me, it has nothing pertaining to that.
I can't stand this long fucking joke /a/ has where they pretend SHAFT is smart.
Trigger has animators at the apex of technique ever pioneered in the medium, and the writer for Kill la Kill is a seasoned playwright and brilliant poet.
SHAFT and Trigger are not comparable. SHAFT makes products to be sold, Trigger creates high art they love with the freedom they gained from leaving Gainax.
>has animators at the apex of technique ever pioneered in the medium
>the writer for Kill la Kill is a seasoned playwright and brilliant poet
I watched a whole season and thought it was boring, pandering shit.
Fuck has no story and stupid jokes.Horrendous pacing. Absolute waste of time. "The reason why anime is shit" is pretty much because shows like these exist.
Katanagatari on the other hand...
Oh wait, it's not made by SHAFT lel
>the writer for Kill la Kill is a seasoned playwright and brilliant poet
It's a character driven drama like most anime. The focus is on the character's themselves, their growth, and their interactions.
You don't see Disney or Pixar fawning over the opportunity to meet SHAFT animators. This is because they're not notable.
The staff on Trigger are the best in animation history. Imaishi, Sushio, Yoshinari, Amemiya, Hori and Ootsuka.
The only other studio within SPITTING distance of Trigger is Khara. Not Ghibli. Khara.
Shaft is not smart. Granted Trigger has quality animators but they just do not have the budget to go create another popular pop-culture shit in anime industry because of their tight budget and funding, until they went cheapskate and keep reusing the same animated frames over and over again in a series they produced.
Also, Shaft's recent anime are mostly made to promote books and boost the sales (except Madoka of course). The sequels were just to ride the popularity until original source materials ended.
Honestly though, I didn't see much growth in the characters. The waifus all overcome their "dillemas", but Araragi is still pretty much a self-insert a Marty Stu, and I don't think he's ever gone though any development arc at all.
Plus perhaps the only remotely interesting character LEAVES. Fuck Bakemonogatari.
The drama is also very dragging. 3 episodes to complete one character? What the hell.
having best animators and best screenwriter doesn't guarantee quality animated series or film overall. Look at Dennou Coil, the animation was superb but that cliche ending made it a total garbage.
Dennou Coil has a nice visual style but is otherwise completely unmemorable, except for a couple parts like virtual beard and completely gratuitous spanking scene with closeup of little boy's butt
This has to be bait. If you really can't see the character growth then you must be mentally retarded. And 3 episodes to complete a character arc is pretty standard for harems.
It does when some cleanup artists fucked up with the layouts and in betweens. They need to use resource, for example money, to fund electricity usage and hardware for the department.
Not a single cut in Saki is on a level with what you see in Kill la Kill. Trigger is a master of their art.
Also the best cut in Evangelion was done by Imaishi.
Finally a good response rather than the typical dicksucking. I agree, but I feel like your point doesn't apply to Kill la Kill, as it's script was one of the more brilliant and inventive works in anime history.
Dennou Coil did disappoint me, but I can't say I was expecting anything from the story. It was just a really nice premise that allowed the world to come to life in an interesting way. One of my favorite anime, but not because of its writing.
I don't know, anon. I can totally see the character growth whatsoever. If you are to rebut my point you will have to need to read the books to get my point entirely because you seem too retarded to swallow a simple story with dragged conversations.
People give Bakemonogatari too much credit. In fact, it's pretty much SHAFTs cash cow at this point.
SHAFT were far better as in-betweeners for various other productions and when they made their own, non-adopted content (Soredemo notwithstanding). They seem to suffer from QUALITY most of the time though with the ridiculous BluRay reedits, and its not even small things but glaringly big mistakes, and the occasional weird choice of edits.
Trigger on the other hand is still brand spanking new. They made Little Witch Academia, KlK, and some in-between animation here and there plus some adaptations I don't even care about. Too me they are waaaay too fresh to be compared to SHAFT, not to mention I think their time is quite smaller than SHAFTs. If they want to become GAINAX 2.0 YOU CAN (NOT) ANIMATE then they need to get that guy Akia who left Gainax during the Gurren Lagaan 4th episode scandal.
So yeah, Mangoes and Oranges, with a very unripe orange at that.
>Not a single cut in Saki is on a level with what you see in Kill la Kill. Trigger is a master of their art.
I never implied that. I'm just criticizing how /a/ loves pulling out the "budget" card but the guy made a semi-reasonable explanation.
>that could make look retarded, why would I want to look like one?
One: Because you're a fucking coward and not even anonymity could hide the shame of your public humiliation
Two: You actually have no clue what you're talking about, so if you did anything but reload the thread and shitpost, you'd have to qualify your opinions and wouldn't be able to.
Again, where in the actual fuck I mentioned Monogatari in that post you quoted, faggot?
Also, I have read most of the books and I realized it isn't that deep nor symbolic, but to compare it to klk, that is just way beyond retarded. Nisio got a rep in deep mindfuck stories anyway.
>Dennou Coil did disappoint me
>Kill la Kill script was one of the more brilliant and inventive works
KEK DUBS LEL XD FEELS SADFROG > SAUCE /POL/ REDDIT TUMBRL PENGUIN OF DOOM DEESU
Oh yeah. That's easily one of the trashiest talking points /a/ has. Limited animation in the hands of real talent doesn't cost a lot of money. Basic, high framerate animation like hair blowing in the wind is more expensive.
>Also the best cut in Evangelion was done by Imaishi.
>Kill la Kill, as it's script was one of the more brilliant and inventive works in anime history.
This looks better than most scenes in KlK.
>read the books
Proof that the anime is a failure as a medium. Or that SHAFT is really bad at adapting Noissin's work.
Araragi barely grows to amount to anything but a self-insert stud. He has never experienced loss or hardship. He gets away scott-free by virtue of plot armor or deus ex powers i.e. vampirism. But most of all, he's just unrelatable.
There has never been a character drama with more comprehensive use of metaphor, symbolism, wordplay, and allusion than Kill la Kill.
To even find something on its level, you'd have to go to surreal anime film and OVA.
Takeshi Honda shits on that cut.
Shaft did decent adaptations for most of the books. They only fucked up a certain bits in Kabuki and Oni but that is not the point.
You can't look past the character's growth because you are simply that mentally unaware of it while watching the show, anon.
>>There has never been a character drama with more comprehensive use of metaphor, symbolism, wordplay, and allusion than Kill la Kill.
What is infinite Stratos
>You can't look past the character's growth because you are simply that mentally unaware of it while watching the show, anon.
Really now? "Meantally unaware"? It's like you're implying it was
The conversation was about monogatari and klk, first anon saying klk was deep
wich is also bullshitand then you defending monogatari
you didn't said it, but the vibe you got fron that message is that monogatari is deep, which, as you too said, is not
It's not bullshit. Kill la Kill has layers of depth /a/ won't even explore because they're too childish to understand it.
Between philosophy, allusion, metaphor, symbolism, subtle characterization, and leitmotif, it stands heads and shoulders above any other television anime ever created. Even Gurren-Lagann.
>The transformation scenes blow that cut out of the water. Both in detail, anticipation, timing, weight. Everything.
Go ahead and explain me what makes it good, tell me the techniques employed, and why are they executed well. It shouldn't be hard for someone who has at least a half-assed animation knowledge. You're using a bunch of fancy words anyway, might as well expand on them.
Sex and Violence with Machspeed looks like shit, and is difficult for me to watch. I could stare at SZS for eternity.
KLK was over hyped and fell flat with its ADD quality, while the constant but simplified style of WIDE matches the show well.
how can you make this thread and not hate yourself
Going purely by track record I am going to go with SHAFT mainly because they have more to show.
The staff at Trigger obviously has tons of experience but if we're going purely by shows I will give it to SHAFT.
I think Kill la Kill was pretty good. It wasn't anything ambitious or have anything really worthy of any actual in depth discussion. However I think it had a lovable albeit 2 dimensional cast of characters that were very energetic and chewed up the scene a lot which managed to make every episode enjoyable just to see what ridiculousness the characters would do next even if the actual episode is "filler".
Serious moments weren't anything to write home about. Most were pretty forgettable since the characters aren't really deep in any sort of way. Lots of dropped plot points too make the actual story structure come off as really messy. The humor is also very hit and miss for me with some things being too obnoxious and other bits being just obnoxious enough but I think the cartoony animation made it easier to swallow regardless.
Overall, for the studios first original work I think it was pretty good. Could be vastly improved but overall it left me satisfied.
Speaking of SHAFT. What original works do they have again? I would comment on them but I just realized most of the SHAFT I have seen has been adaptions.
here is something I don't get:
I see more characters getting hate for having a built-in reason for being strong enough to handle what their show throws at them, than those who go through series' of highly improbale conveniently timed powerups.
Araragi is such a weird creep, I'd have an easier time self-inserting as Oshio
That's a bunch of nouns and adjectives that could be applied to any "deep" anime and no one would ever notice the difference. If you want to be taken seriously write a fucking post explaining your criticism. Ah, well, you're just playing around with this board anyway. Aren't you bored already?
You want me to explain the subtle techniques that make Takeshi Honda a great animator using his Kill la Kill cut... You actually asked me this question? What a fucking retard.
Squash and stretch when the titties jiggle, when the straps lock her tits down, the subtle movements of her ass when the thong is pulled tight, the bending of Senketsu's fabric as it's roped around Ryuuko.
The anticipation when monster Senketsu is ready to bite down on her, when his eyes are building energy to burst forth from her chest, or when Ryuuko is curled up ready to explode into her final pose.
the staging when she takes that pose is magnificent. Every action is pose to pose, and each movement flows into the next, overlapping the next to create a dynamic movement that you can't take your eyes off.
The movement is done is graceful arcs, and is exaggerated beatifully to create imaginative effects only possible in animation, such as the tight camera spin. Ryuuko's body behaves realistically, and every action she takes has a follow through. Like when she aggressively poses, she doesn't simply freeze, but her body reacts and settles after her energy is expended, and finally, every piece of it looks like a solid object in space
Shinbou makes garbage like Nisekoi, Mekakucity, and Denpa Onno at least watchable while good stuff like SZS, Hidamari, and Arakawa amazing.
Shinbou literally improves anime
b-but Gurren Lagaan was both made by TRIGGER AND SHAFT!
>Kill la Kill haters found dead in their moms basements.
Nah, fuck off and read a book, you ignorant shit.
Ever noticed how segment with Nia have beautiful lips, wonderful backside shots, and even Nia's anti-Spiral messanger form looks something out of SHAFTs other shows. She even does the headtilt.
Those segments were in-betweened by SHAFT.
I never doubted your knowledge in animation, silly anon.
As expected. I'm pretty sure the sakuga crew doesn't share the same enthusiasm over KlK's animation like you, since it had a decay later on.
He's talking about the animation, not the "deep" parts of the show, though. There are plenty of great shows when it comes to animation which have a stupid or simple story. Nichijou has plenty of cool cuts, for example.
Also holy fuck what the fuck is wrong with reCAPTCHA today? I can barely read the majority of them.
That didn't really explain anything.
If you feel KLK does indeed have subtletys to it then by all means write about it, it wouldn't be the first time I failed to see things in depth.
I suppose the idea of clothing and human relationships could be a parallel to something perhaps? Man I don't know.
It was easily the best looking transformation sequence in animated history.
>I'm pretty sure the sakuga crew doesn't share the same enthusiasm over KlK's animation like you, since it had a decay later on.
I don't care what they think, and KLK's true strength is in its direction, character drama, narrative, and thematic power.
I wrote about a little about it here >>122953201
I will go in-depth one of these days, so look out for it. Until then, I've also written about it in the past. Check the archives for these posts if you really missed out on the deeper meaning and aren't just a random shitter trolling for kicks.
OP should have done the classic showdown.
Trigger are cancer.
They still haven't made a single good show and even with this new Ninja show that had some potential, it ends up being 4:3 resolution because "we so funny and unique".
While Shaft made only garbage in the last year, they still made a lot of good shows and their visuals are eye candy.
Comparing them is literally retarded thogugh
None of those people are A-list animators.
May as well namedrop Ryo Imamura and Gen'ichirou Abe and call it even. Okay, maybe not. Still, "the best in animation history"? Wow.
In this thread when literally none of the faggots even aware that Shaft has been the in-between studio to clear up the parts that been thrown to them by the original studios for the past few decades. They were just whores to clean up messes left by other studios, literally.
It would have been an entirely different show.
Some sort of Mushishi groupie with more lucious boobs and explosions. More interesting? Most likely. I have no idea if there is enough depth to the setting to show it through Oshio's eyes in the first place though. But I'd like to see
At the same time I enjoy Monogatari as it is. Besides the visuals and some of the intros I couldn't really defend it against structured critique though.
Guy probably laughed his ass off while making this considering how painfully strawman this is, even putting headtilts from all kinds of different shows from different genres and artstyles.
By refusing to explain it you yourself are being anti intellectual.
That being said I CAN buy into the whole Life fiber and red string of fate thing since that seems plausible enough.
Sure, it seems obvious now, but before I posted people were ACTUALLY denying KLK had thematic depth. Now that I'm here, the trolls no longer have a leg to stand on, an their only remaining defense is personal attacks.
You mean the common sense disguised as literary criticism like >>122955749 ? Because I bet my ass less than 1% of posts made on /a/ or on any anime forum resemble literary structuralism.
Read the right post you giant idiot: >>122955749
Also "Buy into it"? Mako literally states it in the show. I swear I don't know how you retards breath without machine-help. Even exposition is too much for yo. Do you understand how pathetic that is?
Wow, I didn't realize Kill la Kill had such colossal retards. For you to dedicate this much time to analyzing a manufactured piece of garbage is hilarious.
Kill la Kill is shit, and all these 'subtleties' you highlight are a product of your own fabrication, being a delusional idiot and all.
Even if it did have symbolism, it isn't meaningful or compelling, and it doesn't make the show any better.
>people were ACTUALLY denying KLK had thematic depth.
Because it doesn't fucking have any, stop thinking of yourself as the smartest anime connoisseur you idiotic ape holy shit.
What in the world are you getting so angry about? I JUST said I agreed with it. You're being absolutely miserable for no reason at all and it's making you come off as a massive gaylord.
Every now and again there comes a series preceded by such immense hype and such widespread buzz, that nearly the entirety of the anime community tunes in for the first episode. The hype can carry even a mediocre show to vertigo-inducing heights when it comes to popularity and ratings. This is likely what occurred with the otherwise fairly below-average Kill la Kill. Presumably, had it been exactly the same series but made by a less notable studio, the show would have fallen under the radar of most of its current audience. Perhaps the bar had been set too high by the excellent Gurren Lagann, or perhaps studio Trigger ran out of creativity after their most successful series, but whatever the case Kill la Kill fell far beneath my expectations. The series is not just awkward, poorly written, shoddily animated, and badly paced, but aggressively so.
It is a truth universally acknowledged that an idle man in possession of a Crunchyroll account must be in want of a good anime. Kill la Kill, while it has its upsides, is not a good anime, and certainly not what an idle man such as myself wanted. First among its slew of negatives is the pacing; it’s all over the place. Sometimes the show skips across great lengths of time with next to no explanation, while other times entire episodes are spent on a single fight, Dragonball Z-style. It seems some parts of the series were written as though it were made to be thirteen episodes long, and others were written as if it were part of a fifty episode epic. It’s off-putting and outright odd. The pacing is remarkable not for the directorial expertise exhibited by it, but for the lack thereof.
So who are you going to pit Bones up against OP?
The pacing is, however, the least of one’s worries while watching the mess that is Kill la Kill. Were it not for the excellent soundtrack, I’d venture to say that the redeeming qualities of the show are few and far between. Shoddy is the best word to describe Kill la Kill‘s animation. Shoddy and haphazard. Shadows are often left an unnatural pitch black, and the backgrounds are largely poorly detailed and unappealing with their slap-dash construction and dreary colors. The academy where a good part of the show takes place consists almost entirely of various shades brown, grey, and dull blue. That’s not to say a show needs to be entirely vibrant and colorful, nor am I implying that the character designs of Kill la Kill don’t make up for the boring environments, but some more interesting venues would not go unappreciated. The use of stock footage doesn’t much help matters; the same transformation sequence can be found in almost every episode, and after a while it becomes rather grating.
What’s more, the amount of deus ex machina used in the show is simply astonishing. Very little gets done without the main protagonist gaining some unexpected, unexplained new ability that magically changes the tide of battle. It inspires precious little admiration for the writers. The show tries to be a sort of Dragonball-Z/Gurren Lagann hybrid, but fails to do what either of those shows did right. It completely lacks the originality of Gurren Lagann, and in comparison to that series Kill la Kill just seems like a soulless cash-in by a studio that has made shows that had some real heart. I know Trigger can do better than this; they have done better than this, and it’s very disappointing to see how far they’ve fallen. Despite my love for this particular studio, however, I can’t bring myself to say that their most recent project is anything but twenty-four episodes of puerile nonsense.
>it doesn't fucking have any
The stage, the red string of fate, destiny, don't lose your way, fear, confidence, and resolve, the cold psychology of logical death in the face of a superior being vs the incomprehensibility of life.
Kill la Kill is poetry.
>the guy who wrote that it's too intelligent for you is just now coming out as a massive gaylord
>both made by trigger/gainax employees
What in the name of the almighty Jesus are you talking about?
I think you're talking to a completely different anon. Or you're being an idiot.
Those are some pretty cool things but you can sum up plenty of shows by mentioning the emotions and conflicts that exist. That doesn't make them deep though. You just hide the shalowness of your insights through your wording.
I now take my leave. I hope you've all learned a valuable lesson today.
Kill la Kill has strong thematic depth, and literally your only defense is to ignore talking points, and troll using half-baked responses and reaction images.
Bye, faggots. I off on my date.
Structure doesn't equal structuralism.
I've actually seen more remnats of the latter on /a/, in the sense that there are comments in almost every thread about how somethingsomething relates to anime, the state of the industry or whatever, but it's mostly polemic
>this retarded KLKfag
/a/ never ceases to amuse me.
How is that relevant in any way, you fucking retard
I haven't even watched KLK. You're jumping the gun there.
All I saw from KLK was a loli having her heart stabbed, faking a dying state, then come up with a "just kidding, fag" as she took her heart out like it was nothing.
So deep I didn't even try to watch the thing.
I was just pretending to be retarded! Jokes aside that was poor attention of my part. But I think there are plenty of ways to circumvent generic new criticism, unless you happen to agree with it, yet enjoy the show because fun.
In an alternative universe, he used the thematic symbolism of KlK (which exists, but if it's deep or well done, that's a whole other thing) to explain how it ties in and justifies the supposed "bad pacing", sacrificing the execution for its sake.
That gif was chosen at random and not directed at you anyway, but good thing you don't seem big into being butthurt on the internet.
Ignoring what people say about shows on /a/ is the only way to go anyway, it's not like anyone here actually likes anime.
Bakemonogatari, SZS all seasons, Arakawa under the Bridge S1
Madoka Magica, Monogatari second season, Pani Poni Dash, Hidamari Sketch
Arakawa under the Bridge S2, rest of Monogatari, Maria Holic, Nisekoi
Mekakucity Actors, Kofuku Gurafiti
Kill la Kill, Inferno Cop
>Kill la Kill
Seriously I enjoyed Kill la Kill, but what the fuck it hasn't been out for more than a year. It's not fucking legendary.
Also this thread is dumb, Trigger doesn't have the sample size of anime compared to Shaft. People are riding on the Trigger hype train because they're the spiritual successor of Gainax.
Madoka might not be the greatest thing ever, but the fact that people ACTUALLY think generic horseshit like Monogatari is the best thing SHAFT has ever done is pretty telling of the intellect of your average anime consumer. And I say consumer, because you don't get to be a true connoisseur of art when you're doing nothing but digesting a product that serves as fodder for you dick.
Try reading the books, faggot. It will tell your exact intelligent on perceiving the context of your brain. No, it isn't deep or anything but it has a thoughtful amount of moments that your brain need to be relatively active throughout the consumption of it.
The main problem I have with modern SHAFT is that they've become too SHAFT. With all the head tilts and stylized backgrounds, all their shows feel like they're trying to parody a stereotypical SHAFT show.
>the symbolism was shallow
>a pretentious piece of shit
>trying to appeal to the shallow.
Holy shit, you yourself have no idea what you're talking about, contradicting yourself hard in just one sentence.
Bake is especially great, combining very odd visuals and presentation like surreal backgrounds and shots drawn in different artstyles with extremely unique soundtrack that fit(which both were tuned down in Nise already) with interesting and witty characters just talking and bantering.
The character relationships were interesting and mysterious. MC actually got a girlfriend and they also it together which a rarity in anime
It's unique, it's fun, it's comfy, it's atmospheric, it's great.
While the series was butchered as it went on turning into a generic harem by introducing sisters only existing for pandering, Bat started talking and Snail fell in love, it also had its moments like Kaiki and Cat's character growth so saying "but the fact that people ACTUALLY think generic horseshit like Monogatari is the best thing SHAFT has ever done is pretty telling of the intellect of your average anime consumer" is pretty damn ironic and pretentious.
>MC actually got a girlfriend and they also it together which a rarity in anime
fit*, meant fit
I read real books, loser
>You can't look past the character's growth because you are simply that mentally unaware of it while watching the show, anon.
Different anon here, but no one's provided any examples of how Araragi developed.
People have a hard time accepting that a character is just good at what they do. If the character doesn't "earn" his power, then people often cry Gary Stu.
These are probably the same people who think Superman is boring.
What are you talking about, thread is completely serious. You're just not intellectual enough to understand it >>122952831
Read it, it's worth your time. Trust me, it's god-tier lulz
dumbass nigger comparing a brand new studio
Threads like this really make me wish I could see user IPs. Give trigger 5 years of production and then make this thread again. KLK was entertaining but it's plot was not memorable at all.
SHAFT's best animation is Pani Poni Dash because it is the embodiement of their referential, otaku oriented style. Monogatari series is memorable stylistically and in dialogue, but the fundamental premise is weak and pandering. I really liked Madoka because of how story and character driven it was. Not many contemporary anime can match up with that. I also liked the aesthetic. I saw the tv rips several years ago and should probably rewatch the BD sometime. SZS was entertaining but IMO the material didn't adapt as well as PPD. Sketch was one of the most comfy shows I've ever seen. SHAFT makes some unique content. I hope they continue to do so in the future.
/lit/ cannot hold a candle to me. Well, /a/ can't either, really...
You see there is a problem. The incredibly gifted and intelligent never fit in with the masses. They desire to be surrounded by like-minds. But what does one do when they stand alone on top, above all minds to be like?
Return to your roots and bully your peers until someone shows potential, of course. Then take that someone under your wing.
I'm still waiting for the worthy.
You want me to take a picture of my fucking library, you faggot? I have books that are older than your great-grandfather's grandfather's. Suck my dick through TCP/IP and like it.
You're not me. Don't answer a question directed at me. Faggot.
I'd post this image, and nothing else. I'll tell you why.
He has said nothing. He made an unqualified, inflammatory statement, so engaging him in debate is a reward he doesn't deserve. Only thing he gets is a simple expression of my anger, because he has insulted a small section of the industry I care about in his sweeping generalizations. Of course, I must emphasize this to you, I say none of this to him. He doesn't deserve it.
You got banned for replying to that post with a fedora?
Serves you right. That literally has nothing to do with the fedora tipping, which is primarily associated with obnoxious atheists and Nice Guys. It has an archaic definition related to neckbeards in general, but even that is irrelevant to the post in question. It's exactly as >>122961781 said.
Hey guys, Michael here (OP).
Just want to say I'm elated with the way this thread has turned out. Some great comedy and intriguing debate made for some excellent reading.
I look forward to posting the next match-up, but before that, let's hit the bump limit!
Do some actual research about what /a/ watches for a change this time. In every thread you make half the discussion is bashing your shit-tier opening post. Also, who the hell would pay you to do this? I just don't see it, yet here you are
>The prospect of being educated makes you sick
No shit. That's why you're on /a/ trying to replace valuable life experience with scenes from anime. Fuck off to /r9k/ you shithead.
>trying to replace valuable life experience with scenes from anime
When did I ever mentioned that, dumbass?
Also, if you seriously think reading some ancient literature written by some ancient people is highly intelligent, you are seriously beyond help. They are just glorified works anyways. Nothing is lost if you are not consume any of them.