Reminder that Ushio and Nagisa are probably just going to get sick and die again.
>>122984953 The first season was pretty underwhelming to me too. People made out the show to be the best love story ever told. Clannad AS is still one of my all time favorites though. I'm fucking weak when it comes to stories about family, so my opinion is biased as fuck.
>>122985358 I dunno. I feel like the show could have been condensed into 1 season. That or they could have just made a movie based on AS episode 18. I have a lot of issues with Clannad and if it wasn't for the fact that I have yard work to do soon, I'd start listing off from that massive list.
>>122985411 That's the thing, I strongly disagree. I hate season 1 - I think it's garbage. The start of AS is even worse. But you need all of that, the gradual build-up of their history. Shit like the little note on the blackboard. That's what makes Clannad so good when it actually gets good.
>>122985453 But AS focuses mostly on Nagisa and Tomoya. There's all this buildup but it's for characters that get tossed aside in AS. Season 1 could have been almost completely scrapped and AS wouldn't have harmed by it.
>>122985498 It juxtaposes the whole school life with this sudden almost nihilistic emptiness. The bit in episode 8 (I think) where you see all of these school friends who suddenly disappeared hit me hard. And that was before any of the actual melodrama even started.
Season 1 could definitely have been handled better, but it really needed to be there.
>>122985411 My biggest gripe with the series is the way that characters were written off and became irrelevant after their arcs. This is a huge problem with Kotomi, since she still could have had a lot more to say about the illusionary world.
Also, Clannad season one fulfills its job in being a SoL/Romance and it's the reason we all cared about AS. It's borderline mediocre, but I didn't hate it.
>>122985498 You absolutely need Fuko's arc, and Kotomi's unless you want to overlook the supernatural shit at the end. Everything to do with Tomoyo is pretty worthless though. If they didn't call it After Story, a name implying that Clannad is two separate series and not one 47 episode long superseries, most of the complaints about the first season would disappear.
>>122985586 >My biggest gripe with the series is the way that characters were written off and became irrelevant after their arcs. I completely, 100% agree and this is exactly why Clannad left me with a sour taste in my mouth. This is a huge issue, Anonymous. Especially when the show dedicates 5 or so episodes to a character only to toss them away and make them legitimate side characters.
>>122985580 >It juxtaposes the whole school life with this sudden almost nihilistic emptiness. That doesn't change the fact that there are entire episodes that are straight up boring or end up being irreverent come AS. >Season 1 could definitely have been handled better, but it really needed to be there. Maybe it did, maybe it didn't. All I know is that I was left with the impression that AS could have stood up on it's own and with an extra 2 or 3 episodes could have made all of season 1 vanish.
>>122985716 As such, it is improper to say you didn't like Clannad but you did After Story since they are all the same series. The fact that the first half of the series being noticeably worse than the second could have been due to Kyoto Animation sucking at everything but animation, but I haven't read the visual novel so I cannot be certain.
>>122985834 But I don't even like all of AS. I like pretty much everything after it stops with the arc-based structure. So the final 2/5ths or so of the entire thing. You can certainly make a distinction, because the tone (though not the themes and purpose - those are built throughout) does change. But it's still the one story.
I think this is one of those shows that your enjoyment of it is largely due to how well you can self-insert into Okazaki, how much you can relate to the cast of high-school friends, and how much family values mean to you. A lot of the shortcomings of the show I can easily overlook due to how well the themes and events reverberated with me. But I can understand how someone who is unable to really connect with these themes and characters would just find it boring.
>>122986021 >Tomoyo living by himself Sure it was interesting to adapt to that. Still wasn't that entertaining. >the proposal What, the one that felt forced? >etc That doesn't sound really reassuring, Anonymous.
>>122985948 It stopped being arc-based before Nagisa graduated. I'm still not sure what people have against addressing every character in the series in a linear fashion, is what I would have said if I didn't also hate harem anime, but it fit together and didn't distract from the show's main themes. Can someone who has read the VN chime in on which parts were Key's doing and where KyoAni fucked up?
>>122986096 Well, my experience was different. The proposal, for instance, was a product of this intense building pressure from the living by himself and adult life and so on. I suppose Clannad's atmosphere really captured me, to the point where I could easily ignore forced anything - though I was quite aware of it.
>>122986137 This this this a million times this. It tries too gooddamn hard. Even Nagisa's death wasn't sad because of how predictable the series is. This is why Episode 18 of AS is incredible. It breaks that mold, takes the viewer by surprise, and tackles emotional trauma in an innocent and bittersweet manner. It was at that point where I felt like watching Clannad as a whole was worth it. Then it goes back to being it's hamfisted self episode 19+.
>>122986137 The point is that if you can connect with and become absorbed into the themes and characters, the aspects you think are 'hamfisted' aren't noticeable. Sure if you sit back afterwards and look at certain points, it might seem quite forced, but while actually watching the show itself, I was enjoying it too much to notice. And that's my point; if you can't connect enough with the story and characters while actually watching the show, your enjoyment will be obstructed by elements you find 'forced', but for a lot of people with who the story deeply reverberated with, these 'forced' elements weren't an issue.
I guess at the end of the day, it's just subjectivism. But I find Clannad to be a show where subjectivism really heavily effects people's opinions due to how vastly different an experience it can be depending on your personal engagement during watching.
>>122986563 Not even a peck on the cheek. I'm not asking for fan service. I'm just asking to make their romance believable. A sexual, romantic relationship that doesn't involve a simple kiss or holding hands without blushing like crazy makes no sense to me.
A lot of anime always has the bland MC that the viewer can self-insert to, and I feel that how well the individual viewer can self-insert into the MC has a lot to do with their enjoyment of the overall show. Clannadman, while having a fair few 'bland MC' traits, is also a well-enough fleshed out character, who's proactive and has motivations. I think that if a viewer can then self-insert into him, you end up getting pulled long with his motivations and convictions to a much stronger degree than with most anime MCs. A lot of Clannad's enjoyment comes from this, I think.
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