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>>123081519 >you're not judged on what you do in life Nope see pic related.
>proof of this are the murderers who are not automatically voided Why should they be? There's plenty of circumstances where you kill someone that should not condemn you to the void: soldiers, cops, self defense etc... > mayu who does nothing wrong in life. Mayu got voided because Ginti is an asshole and did everything he could to void her.
>there is no evidence it is used otherwise Yes there is, first the screenshot >>123081702 then this one. Those two combined are evidence that memories are used in the judgment in addition to how the guests behave during the game.
>>123081941 >mayu was voided because she chose to put her selfish desires above "justice"/da rules. In other words Mayu was voided because Ginti presented her with a choice where she was sure to fail.
Mayu has already passed the "selfish desires" test by choosing to die for Harada during the Twister game. Every test she would be put through beyond that is Ginti's attempt to trap her into getting voided.
>>123081935 uh, like i said, the memories influence how they "draw out the darkness" that's it. there is no evidence that shows the memories trumping what actions are taken during judgement as basis for the decision.
>>123082097 >there is no evidence that shows the memories trumping what actions are taken during judgement There's no need for such evidence when Nona says that memories are one of the bases for the judgments and that they can't just on memories alone, meaning they judge using memories and something else.
How to "draw out the darkness" isn't the judgment, the judgment is deciding void or reincarnation.
>>123082076 >Mayu has already passed the "selfish desires" test by choosing to die for Harada during the Twister game. nope. the only reason she's around is the same reason onna was, the arbiter couldn't make a conclusion, basically saying "not enough info". the arbiters all have different ways to qualify who gets what. he just decided that her decision in the twister game was not voluntary, but due to her physical weakness. she did not make a choice that made her worthy of reincarnation
>>123082295 >the arbiter couldn't make a conclusion It's still Ginti's fault. >she did not make a choice that made her worthy of reincarnation Then why didn't he void her? If he voided her staight after the twister game then I would not have objected as much.
It's the fact that he had to tinker up his little unfair test to justify his desire to void her.
>>123082227 >How to "draw out the darkness" isn't the judgment, the judgment is deciding void or reincarnation. like i was saying, memories do not influence the final judgement, they are used as a way to "draw out the darkness" which is a means to determine the final judgement. that is why i'm saying memories don't influence the judgement, it's what people do in response to the darkness and their memories that determine that. the arbiters don't say, "oh, he killed a five guys, so he should get the void." rather, they play a game to see if the killer's motives are pure or just. so the actions taken during judgement are all that matters
>>123082466 >Then why didn't he void her? he makes his rules quite clear, if you cling to life, you are worthy of the void. that said, he's looking for more than suicide/apathy from someone to earn reincarnation. he's the kind of person that despises half assed attitudes
>>123082683 >Thank for agreeing that they are in fact taking into account the memories in the judgment. except i didn't. motives are not tied to any memory. they are your principles, your motivation. it is love, hate, justice, hedonism, greed, selflessness. it has nothing to do with memories. perhaps you mistake motivations for some other thing, but those have nothing to do with memories
>>123082847 >except i didn't. motives are not tied to any memory If they care about the motives it's because the guest did something (good or bad) during his life (a murder, a wedding, suicide, whatever) Once again, you can't care about motives if you don't care about what happened in their lives. So you agree with me.
>>123083006 >If they care about the motives it's because the guest did something (good or bad) during his life (a murder, a wedding, suicide, whatever) >Once again, you can't care about motives if you don't care about what happened in their lives. i'm sorry, i don't understand. the reason people get reincarnated, in decim's cases, is because their positive motivations win out over their negative ones and vice versa. for instance, the TV mom's motivations were to win at any cost,and that violence is the hallmark of the stronger person in any situation. she knows that violence is wrong, but she let her negativity get the best of her. this had nothing to do with memories, but with the beliefs she carried in her heart
>>123083034 >Pushing down Harada would also have solved that. and she would have gotten the void >She still choose to die instead of killing him. and that's why ginti placed a hold on her judgement until he could come up with something more definitive
>>123083319 >TV mom's motivations were to win at any cost,and that violence is the hallmark of the stronger person in any situation. Was it that or was she really motivated by the fact that she wanted to see her kids again?
Also young guy in Death Billiards got reincarnated despite being violent. The detective got voided even if he never was physically violent during the game.
It's an easy short-cut, I understand why you want to take it, but it doesn't explain everything. Only by considering both the memories and the action during the game do you get a satisfying explanation of Decim's judgments.
>>123083438 >and she would have gotten the void Yeah, but she didn't do the thing that would have earned her the void, therefore she should have been reincarnated. That's how it works if you want to play by "da rules". >and that's why ginti placed a hold on her judgement until he could come up with something more definitive You mean until he could come up with a test she would fail for sure. Why Mayu has to go through multiple tests when she's no different from a normal guest? (unlike Chiyuki who is different because she remembered that she was dead)
>>123083613 >Was it that or was she really motivated by the fact that she wanted to see her kids again? love for your children is motivation to keep going, but slamming your opponent's face into an object to the point of unconsciousness requires much darker beliefs
>The detective got voided even if he never was physically violent during the game. can't speak to death billiards, since i didn't see it, but the judgement for the detective/brother episode was not definitive. unlike the other episodes, we do not see which mask is over the elevators.
>Only by considering both the memories and the action during the game do you get a satisfying explanation of Decim's judgments. memories only serve to flesh out the characters, to make their behavior more believeable and real, to show us what beliefs and motivations drive them
>>123083937 >memories only serve to flesh out the characters, to make their behavior more believeable and real See ep 5, Nona clearly says you can't judge someone without their memories. It's not just for the benefit of the viewers. I mean, they've got a whole freaking system with a shit ton of people who work editing the memories before sending them to the arbiters.
Don't tell me they need such an elaborate system just to figure out "how to draw the darkness" when most of the time all they do is push a button to make the tide of the game go one way or the other, or in extreme cases have them feel pain as they play the game. It's the same pattern all the time, the memories have nothing to do with that.
>>123084354 >the darkness is literally the only thing they worry about. It's the only one they have to worry about. They get send memories of the guests straight to their brain, the process is instant and effortless compared to the game part but it is still there and it is still essential to the judgment. But since they can't judge on the memories alone the job left is to check for darkness using the games. Just because you don't hear them think or say "hmm he did that during his life so I'll reincarnate him even though he was a little violent during the game" doesn't mean they aren't taking them into account.
That reminds me, the husband in ep 1 also was violent but got reincarnated.
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