That is possibly one of the worst Gundam shows ever made. Who thought giving Tomino another Gundam show was a good idea?
The guy is a fantastic scenario and world setting maker, but he can't conduct anything for shit now, his writing and directing skills were all stuck in the 1980s.
>his writing and directing skills were all stuck in the 1980s.
But being a modern classic is exactly what this anime was advertised as.
Why do you think they chose that particular artstyle?
You mean like Gundam Unicorn?
Because that was better than G-Reco in nearly all aspects. And the sales of it reflected that (Unicorn being the best-selling OVA of all the time while G-Reco having abysmal TV ratings and not even selling 5k on BDs and DVDs).
Several recent anime shows revived direction styles from the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s. One of 2014 that did that was Shingeki no Bahamut, which despite not being perfect, managed to avoid most of the problems that G-Reco had in terms of pacing and character development.
>That is possibly one of the worst Gundam shows
It isn't. We had discussion before. It isn't as bad as the detractors make it to be and not as good as Tominofags want you to believe it is. It was alright, with plenty of flaws and high points.
It was fine, and managed to clear the incredibly low bar of "best Gundam of the 21st century". Not Tomino's best work, but enjoyable with pacing that might turn some people off, just like Gainer.
>it's actually in the top 5 Gundam series
>half of Gundam is, in fact, utter shit
I don't get the hate. I'm not even big on Tomino's other stuff and I thought Reco was fine. It's one of those shows that doesn't really work as a week by week thing though. It's a lot better when you can watch it at your own pace.
It's ironic that before g-reco came out Tomino was saying that he wasn't going to cater to old gundam fans and doesn't care what they think.
Now that g-reco is over, only those die hard gundam fans who think that Tomino can do no wrong still like g-reco.
Loved G-Reco, but it the same problems than with King Gainer and Brain Powerd. Tomino can't write 2 cours anime, so it ends up full to the brim with interesting ideas in a really wonky package.
There's Gundam fans and those Gundam fans always expecting rehashed plotlines and cool space nazis.
He was probably speaking about the second kind, those that buy shit like Unicorn by pallets because they only care about the One Year War.
The only Gundam titles above average. One third of nearly all animated works, more than half is Tomino.
It was kind of a train wreck with pace all over the place but he characters seems genuinely interesting just poorly handled. Also there was something strange by the end of it when they introduced those 3 last characters that weren't in the ED. Anyway, I don't think it was the worst gundam, just mediocre.
Get some taste, shiteater.
00 is shit though, Unicorn is overrated.
F91 is a mess but there's some great stuff here and there. X is underrated.
I'm fine with the rest of that list.
>Tomino singlehandedly beat Aoki and Fukuda at their own game
Best part is that he was just doing G-Reco was shits and giggles
LOGH is hardly a shining example of good pacing. And if I'm totally honest, G-Reco had a more interesting cast.
Basically all of UC (yes even 0083 and ZZ) is above average / great; of AUs only really 00 S1, Stargazer and X are any good
I consider Turn A part of the UC timeline but let's not go there
We just need Ecole du Ciel adapted, with those same god tier Mikimoto character designs. But sadly Sunrise prefer to go the rough shoddy path of anime original everything.
Exilled From Paradise was forgettable and bland as fuck
Rounds out to be average. Story was surprisingly less than you get from your standard tournament anime that revolves around a game, characters were inoffensive but ultimately nothing, choreography was only great sometimes, animation quality was inconsistent, and the OST was good.
>yes even 0083 and ZZ
X is not good. It's one of the worst series, actually.
>00 is shit though, Unicorn is overrated.
Both are at least above average.
>X is underrated.
>Rushed final arc
>Generic, uninspired cast
>Mostly forgettable character and mecha designs
>Doesn't utilize the setting to even half its potential
08th Team is dumb as hell but still "fine". ZZ doesn't work but it has delicious Puru.
0083 is just fucking awful though. It must take some special skill to create such garbage with those gorgeous animation and mecha ddesigns.
I see it's the "no fun allowed" hour.
Every Gundam series is flawed in some way, UC just happens to be at least consistently enjoyable even when it throws out ridiculous plots like 0083, ZZ or Unicorn.
>X is not good. It's one of the worst series, actually.
It's a far cry from AGE/Wing/GSD/BFT. Those are fucking terrible.
You look at the pretty pictures, listen to the epic music, and you shut dosn your brain.
Then it's enjoyable somehow.
I don't know about the novels though. That must be a tough read.
After images WITH MASS is one of the coolest things to happen in Gundam
I only really picked the picture because the disappointed look more or less conveys how I feel about these endless shitposting threads
It's flawed but fun. More importantly it gave us more Ikeda and some damn nice visuals.
Tiffa's character is a common archetype.
Garrod is no different, his character flaw involving his incompetence at socializing and being sincere is quickly pushed to the background; it gave Ennil a ridiculous motivation to murder him and follow the Frieden, that's about it. It's never really addressed in a meaningful way after the initial highlighting, even forgotten.
Jamil is traumatized vet with a fear of piloting.
>complaining about the show being rushed when it got cancelled is retarded.
0079 was also cancelled and its ending isn't shit. Rushed, but not shit. X says absolutely nothing new or worthwhile about its central conflict, and still portrays DOME's reveal and declaration as something noteworthy.
One of the worst was airing at the same time as G-Reco. Still not AGE and GSD level but comes very close. What the fuck was the point of this shitty sequel. I had such high hopes too, disappointment of the year.
> people think Unicorn was good for anything other than MSV masturbation
It had a plot worse than 0083 that tried to make itself out to be the most important entry in Gundam while failing to deliver anything worthwhile. Even its best animation fails to live up to the best animation of past UC entries, only managing to look better than Seed, 00, and AGE.
Unicorn is just bad and lives off of MUH ZEON 0079 BANZAI!
>That is possibly one of the worst Gundam shows ever made
It is my favorite Gundam.
I'm very glad I could watch while it was airing and learn a lot more about Tomino's personality.
For all its flaws, I wish more directors and scriptwriters put the same effort Tomino put in G-Reco, if anything we would get a lot more of interesting stories and less recycled shit just to appeal to otaku.
I don't get how anyone could hate this show, every episode was fun. Any time I ask "well what didn't you understand" I never get a solid answer, just "EVERYTHING" and it's like well pay the fuck attention and maybe rewatch an episode.
>he tried to bring back onee-sans
>made her completely useless
>didn't bother going for onee-san ending
Thanks Tomino, the 'ending' and 'climax' were atrociously done.
I like G-Reco, but dear god is it bottom of the barrel as far as Gundams go.
>but dear god is it bottom of the barrel as far as Gundams go.
If you think this is anywhere near as bad as AGE, SEED, SEED Destiny, 08th Team, 0083 and ZZ then you're seriously deluded.
AGE, SEED/Destiny, and 08th, lord no, those are absolutely piles of dogshit.
0083 had it's moments like G-Reco, and I'd give the edge barely to G-Reco if only due to I like some of the designs and the general art-style. I don't even remember enough of ZZ to talk.
Maybe bottom of the barrel was the wrong choice of words, but it's certainly down there with them, it just barely edges them out. I mean when 00 S2 and the 00 Movie are edging you out, you know something is wrong because both of those are awful and I loved 00 S1 it was great.
08th had a REALLY bad love story and a cast of character who didn't do anything. And if you thought Kio's pacifism was annoying just wait until you meet Shiro.
0083 is the best 6 episode anime ever! Did some faggot made 6 more episodes that made it a piece of shit shoehorning it a terrible love triangle and having the biggest kick in the balls ending ever
ZZ may be Sunrise's first trainwreck. First half is a slog to get through then you hit Dublin and it's the best desert arc ever and then it turns to shit again.
It's funny comparing G-Reco whose main issue is the rushed pacing because it only got one season, to 00 where only the first season is good and everything after is garbage that should have never been greenlighted.
G-Reco is better because it's not fucking idiotic. 00 movie was the cherry on the shit cake.
I watch Ideon this winter and it is amazing how much more gripping and engaging it is, the world feels believable and lived in, the characters act human, the fights are usually interesting to look at. Reco was so bad compared to that
Greco easily is on par with S1 00. Both take gundam in different direction with new ideas and good designs. Both are pretty well animated as well. 00 had more standard characters but handles them better. Greco has more varied characters but they are more simple as it is a simple show
>I watch Ideon this winter and it is amazing how much more gripping and engaging it is, the world feels believable and lived in, the characters act human, the fights are usually interesting to look at.
Don't get me wrong, I think that the 00 Movie is one of the most atrocious things I've ever had the pleasure of watching Gundam wise and I've watched AGE.
But G-Reco has horrible pacing, it's build ups are good for about 2 min and quickly fall flat and it's back to stuff, certain plot points just seem dropped or just thrown out of nowhere, with the exception of a couple that Tomino subtlety hinted at even in the first few episodes, most characters felt beyond useless or were just there to seem quirky or "hey look at this character", it's just a general mess of too many ideas into one season as you stated, it's just poor ass pacing that ruins a lot of what could have potentially really good.
If I had to compare it to 00.
00 S1 > G-Reco >/= 00 S2 > Dogshit > Awakening of the Trailblazer
I really wonder how people would react to Turn A if it aired now. Like:
- would you understand what Guin wanted to do from the very beginning?
- would you complain about how ridiculous Harry is?
- would you find the whole Laura/Loran shit boring and VERY stupid?
- and what about Sochie? Would people would shit all over her?
- the whole FEEEEEELS and love for nature, would that stuff get on your nerves?
I think all of the above would label Turn A as "WORSE SHIT THAN AGE AND DESTINY COMBINED" because it is really no different from G-Reco, pacing aside.
Are you talking about the first four episodes? Because Ideon TV is fucking shit and incredibly repetitive given that the characters do THEY EXACT SAME SHIT OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. You watch Ideon TV because First Contact is a shitty recap movie but getting to To Be Invoked is worth it.
>But G-Reco has horrible pacing
Not really, well last episode maybe but it is a fast paced show
>certain plot points just seem dropped or just thrown out of nowhere
That's because people expect the wrong things to be central when they are just backstory. Stuff like kuntala's are just meant to flesh out the world and explain Mask's motive. They aren't meant to go any deeper than this is racism but the race can be arseholes too
>would you understand what Guin wanted to do from the very beginning?
Guin's nature was revealed in a pretty straighforward manner during the whole show.
>would you complain about how ridiculous Harry is?
That would imply people complaining about Lelouch being fabulous as well.
>would you find the whole Laura/Loran shit boring and VERY stupid?
It would be hilarious.
>and what about Sochie? Would people would shit all over her?
>the whole FEEEEEELS and love for nature, would that stuff get on your nerves?
A bit for sure.
TV series had a shitty ending
Never got what people hype up about the ending. It's pretty fucking abrupt too.
The pacing to this was about the same as G-Reco, after the final battle you get a timeskip with no explanation on what the hell happened to Gym or the rest of the opposition or how everything got into place, you just take up the scenery and transition.
You're joking right? That's frustratingly open ended.
>would you find the whole Laura/Loran shit boring and VERY stupid?
Why on Earth I would do that
>implying this isn't the best ending of all time
>The ending makes sense if you paid attention
>The ending is what I expected from what Reco gave us
Which is exactly what I said up there. This is so not the issue at hand.
Which is precisely my problem with it. I felt that certain things, not necessarily the Kuntalas, but some things needed to be fleshed out more, to just take a small step back and flesh your world and environment out a bit more, it might have made me care a little more about what was going on.
I was hoping kill em all Tomino would come back. Oh well.
That isn't what the show is about though. It's like saying star wars needed to step back and give yoda more of a backstory, that's not the point he's meant to represent stuff. Same thing happens with greco like with the venus globe skeleton people
This is the first gundam I've watched.
The designs and world-building is god-tier. There's some scenes I just have to pause and appreciate it.
Too bad the plot is absolutely incomprehensible.
What's there to understand? As an ending it's unsatisfactory because they never actually make it to their goal and the only thing out of it is that stupid plot with Assuham gets resolved when he figures out he became the villain for no reason.
>Too bad the plot is absolutely incomprehensible.
Maybe it just requires some sort of understanding of late UC and Turn-A to see what was going on, maybe that's why a lot of people didn't understand.
>Better hope for compilation films
Tomino said he won't make them >>>/m/12339556
And those scenes are deleted directly from the storyboard.
It was like hmm okay at first, but then after awhile when i finished it I just had to ask at the end. "what the fuck did I just watch?" that end was felt so rushed and retarded IDK what the fuck happened.
Is it okay to use ‘there is’ when talking about several objects?
>X show requires understanding of a late UC timeline as well as what occurred during the merging of all timelines and universes in show Y.
No, anon. Reconguista should have been understandable on its own without the need to do extensive research on other series.
There's a fine line between lets say the Kuntalas just being thrown at you and Yoda just being thrown at you. With Yoda we knew he was a Jedi Master and one of the best in the original trilogy, we knew things about him without it actually being said. Yes the same could be said of the Kuntalas for example to a certain degree, but they are just thrown at you with little to no exposition.
There's a fine line between having something that doesn't need to be explained and introducing something that feels like it needs to be explained, even if only for 2 minutes of it's time or a passing comment that helps you to understand things a bit better, whether it's the Kuntalas, Venus Globe, the general economic state (which felt like it was glossed over pretty heavily at times, yet explained on others, it felt off), the status of the characters, which at times issues were either dropped completely or just brought back up at random, or fixed at random with no real though process to "Why and How".
The pacing is fast for the reason it's only one season, but even then, Tomino could have taken the time and fleshed his world out a bit more despite this.
I just don't personally like it, and even Star Wars as much as I like it, does this crap too, a lot of stuff does it, but not to the extent that I feel G-Reco does it at times.
You're literally complaining about nothing. The Kuntalas were never a big deal just motivation for Mask and background for the world setting
The second part doesn't make anysense since we got everything from Lu's speech to Aida about why the conflict was what it was just from him removing his body suit than 39 episodes of bullshit from AGE. If you couldn't figure what is what then you're a lost cause.
>Maybe you're just stupid? Have you ever thought of that?
Lovely rebuttal to me wanting the world of G-Reco to be more fleshed out and enjoyable, despite myself already liking it as I previously stated.
>Yes the same could
>but they are just thrown at you
No, bad anon. We get them explained over the first 7 episodes, one of which is Mask literally just telling us why he is all KUNTALA PRIDO. The rest is us seeing them in society and how people can be assholes to them in various ways, twice we see a kuntala be physically hurt for it.
Stuff like the venus globe's economic state couldn't be less relevant so we don't get more than they appear rich from the style of everything. Do you want to see cumpa's tax returns as well? They are there to show us what can happen to those living in space for extended periods, how jealousy and racism can mount.
You are the reason people say pay attention. We are given more than enough explanation to understand stuff, sometimes they are just not the focus like kuntalas
not just getting some gunpla releases, it's doing way better than expected. We keep getting more and more announcements of suits, there's a good chance most main ones will get releases
Nice try faggot but both of those numbers are re-releases not first release numbers and considering that Victory and Turn A has over a decade ahead of G-Reco that's nothing to gawk about also the Gunpla getting release is what's most important since G-Reco is getting steady releases while those haven't had new releases of all their MS in years.
I think Tomino did his best, he's old man and this was his first TV series after 15 years, he's more used to longer series and it was unfair to give him 26 episode slot for G-Reco. Try was worthless waste of everyone's time and shouldn't have been even made.
Tomino has done plenty worse things.
G Reco is a great success in relation to his history. If he didn't cram his entire creation into 2 cours, I wouldn't be surprised to see it getting a sequel.
I wonder if he's the same guy who posted this one all the time
>Try was worthless waste of everyone's time and shouldn't have been even made.
Kids are watching and enjoying it. The kits are selling well apparently. What other proof does Bandai need to qualify it as a success?
A lot of the parts of the TV series were almost equal to Be Invoked for me, actually. Obviously, the movie is much better looking visually, but I like the tv series music equally, and it has a lot of memorable parts like Ajian getting pulverized, Harulu's introduction, Gije's defection, the kitty kitten episodes, the Ideon sword, etc. The ideon keeps gettiing more powerful and it was also interesting sometimes to see how the fight would go. Its an adventure across the whole galaxy, there's not enough anime like that, usually they are more like gundam and only take place in a small part of space.
>Kids are watching and enjoying it.
Give me source, sorry but I refuse to believe kids will ever be as into plamo you need to build yourself and can't even play with as something like card games.
Kids don't give a shit about robots and especially plamo, they're old-fashioned and for old people. Only way they can enjoy them is like the robot cards in Vanguard. Gyrozetter flopped for a reason.
Here's kids enjoying kids things.
The poor pacing in G-Reco wouldn't be solved by making it a 50-episode anime. It could be easily be better if it didn't have to shoehorn shitty fights that added nothing every episode. A bunch of arcs could easily be made shorter this way. Unfortunately, this is Gundam, and they have to do this to sell. Furthermore, events, scenes and dialogues should've been composed in a way that they become easier to follow - I feel that G-Reco's problems weren't just from its fast pacing, but also from how disorganized its scenes are.
>"This is maybe my first time creating this fast-moving 1 cour, and I'm showing the example that animes or movies can also do things like this. In that sense, I'll do phenomenal plot development. But I also heard the information that elementary school students best understand this show. So please everyone catch up with this show, too."
>elementary school students best understand this show.
How does it feel having worse comprehension skills than elementary children /a/?
And this is why Gundamfags will never be taken seriously. To any other anons looking into getting into the mecha genre just opt for Patlabor and Votoms, you'll get coherent stories and be free from the cancerous fanbase.