>>123209738 >Gemini Saga >Not Virgo Shaka Reminder that Shaka fought Saga, Shura and Camus at the same time while TRYING to get killed and they still couldn't defeat him until he stopped fighting back and literally asked them to just kill him already so he could move on to Hades.
ITT: People don't know about fallen Demonbane aka God of Destruction Demonbane who is leagues above even Elder God Demonbane.
GoD Demonbane busted most of the Outer Gods by itself. There's less than a handful of Outer Gods left and they are on the run from GoD Demobane. By the time of D.Y.N. Freaks, the OGs on the run went into hiding as mere avatars, which they got reduced to. Even Azathoth got busted and was reduced to an avatar who sleeps inside a loli (Azana-chan). At the end of D.Y.N. Freaks, a single manifested arm of God of Destruction Demonbane destroyed the entirety of Haganeya-verse. The author killed everyoneoff and destroyed everything except Azana-chan.
>>123211924 Maybe, but it's really cool and awesome. SALVATION of the universe. Fallen Demonbane must be stopped.
Bad news, the author doesn't seem like he wants to focus on any of the projects he started in the past nor seems enthusiastic in progressing the story. I guess his passion is dying. It might have to do with his apparent obsession with KanColle, which has been going on for a couple of years now.
>>123212035 1) You didn't read D.Y.N. Freaks 2) You didn't check author's twitter who tweeted the ending of D.Y.N. Freaks and explained other stuff 3) You didn't fucking google
>>123211924 >asspulls I would exactly call it asspulls. Every power-up in the first VN that seemingly came out of nowhere had a somewhat reasonable explanation behind them at the end of the VN. Those extreme powerelevels discussed in these threads only come into play in the sequel fan-disk. They don't even leave the earth for the fights until the final part of the first VN and with the exception of a single weapon given to them by a God the worst that regular Demonbane can do is using infinite heat to burn something away by touching it. It's a lot more sensible then what it appears to be.
>>123212348 No, but the VN is a porn game so it wouldn't matter if it was.
>>123211679 >>123211758 This is why 'demonbanefags' are bunch of faggots. People keep listing powers that doesn't even have concrete evidence of it and are just using the words 'infinite world' too literally. Azathoth's created universe is named as infinite world but it doesn't mean you can add your fucking fanfiction in it and write that as canon.
Speaking of that, have anyone read his idea about infinite world -2 after it got destroyed by supposedly GoD? What are your thoughts about it?
>>123212394 I always thought that asspulls are literally Demonbane power. I mean, for every fight in the first VN there's some part that always came out of nowhere.
>>123212524 >came out of nowhere Could you give a example of this? It always felt somewhat logical to me but it may be that I was just rolling with it and didn't take my time to think about how much, or little, sense it actually made.
>>123212425 Author of Heir to the Stars; home to some of the most overpowered characters you'll ever see.
Quote: >>Someone recently brought to my attention that because I included Fan Fiction in my story, it does not seem right. I know what Fan Fiction is and I am well-aware that some could write a story including my work. At the same time, I already created the idea. Even if you write a Fan Fiction about my work, I have already included it in my work. In fact, you can only write about it because I have already dictated that you would and could. I created that possibility for you. So no matter what you think, you might as well state that I am that equation above God that has simply allowed you to write that story. Even if you try to write something that states that it was done before me, the fact remains that the thought and possibility came from me to even allow that. In essence, you have already become part of my work without you even knowing it because I created it... not you.
>>123212782 The first thing that came out of my mind is Shining Trapezohedron. I know that it's one of Nya's plan but at that time when it first appeared it came out of nowhere.
>>123212816 >summon stronger version of itself >summon What? The only time I remember he transformed into something stronger was from the LN and he didn't summon shit. The one from Demonbane sequel was basically EGD appearing for one scene and summon every version of himself inside Azathoth's infinite universe.
Oh and it's not that I'm arguing that whether it can't power-up or some shit whenever it meets stronger enemies because that's literally his power, I'm arguing that people usually use infinite world bullshit just to say "no there's a version of demonbane that can kick your ass!" when the truth is that it's still limited to Azathoth's universe.
Maybe a complete stretch, but I'm curious to see where Dandy ranks in all of this, considering he exists in any and all possibilities, and while he can die, his general existence can't be completely removed. That complied with the fact that god even offered him the position because of this, and he just flat out said no and walked away from it. That has to account for something.
>>123213363 >>123213397 Yeah I'd say if Boobies were on the line, Dandy would tap into whatever "bullshit, god refusing, you can't stop me from existing, or doing what I want" power that drives him, and be ranked in the special tier.
>>123213040 Like you said, it was part of Nya's plan so I didn't count that one. The only parts that felt like it came out of nowhere was how the hell Ruri's presence managed to be enough help to Kurou beat Master Therion when he had the goddamned Shining Trapezohedron in his possession and Kurou didn't. There wasn't really enough of an explanation how that led to them breaking out of Nya's loop either but I'll just chalk it up to Haganeya having decided that her route needed a happy ending. Kurou getting the guns in Ruri's route was also out of left field without prior knowledge of everything about Ennea in Al's route, even then it made little sense for her to give them to him. All in all, Al's route could be said to make total sense while Ruri's strains your suspension of disbelief a bit more. I'm not even going to bring up Leica's route as it was a mess.
>>123214002 That image sums it up nicely. Without the part of it summoning infinite versions that "will never exist" it would be just like every other "omnipotent" character with limited power. It's not just that it can do anything, it can even do what's impossible for it to do. You can't created something stronger then this.
Honestly, I think I would have preferred if the part of it summoning "Demonbane that had no possibility" was omitted as it would be more in line with how the Elder Gods were described in the epilogue of the first VN. Also, a large part of the fun comes from the Kurou being the underdog that bounces back stronger every time he is beaten down and this kind of ruins it by making a version of him perfectly omnipotent.
>>123217685 I'm not trying to play with words. What I'm saying is simply that even though many character are supposed to be omnipotent almost none of them have been shown to be it by accountable feats, meaning that they aren't really omnipotent. Take Madoka for example, she was supposed to some form of omnipotent God at the end of the TV-series but then that was disproved by the fact that Homura one-upped her in the final movie. My wording may have been a little off but that's all I was trying to say.
>>123217983 Some people just don't understand simple logic. Bringing up Demonbane in any way however is a bad idea as most of the time it will only ruin the thread.
>>123218123 There really needs to be some kind of tier system in the chart. It better to argue about some kind of objective way to measure powerlevels across different series then making it just about vs battles.
>>123218352 >Take Madoka for example, she was supposed to some form of omnipotent God But that's fucking wrong, numbnuts. She was never implied to be an omnipotent God. Madokami isn't a deity, she is a sentient concept. She has no power beyond what her role as the Law of the Cycle entails.
>>123219763 Okay that was a bad example, but the point still stands: Characters are implied to be omnipotent or wrongly thought to be by fans of the series, even though the are not. There are few character that we have actual proof of being omnipotent.
>>123211895 >>123212233 Elder God Demonbane is the summation of all that is Demonbane, nothing indicates that "D" is excluded from Demonbane Athleta Aeternum. There's the fact that "D" seems to be destroying the multiverse, but this doesn't mean it's better than EGD.
>>123209738 That special tier is shit, it defies the purpose of a true, autistic power level discussion. Haruhi is the strongest because her power is entirely passive to the point where she doesn't even know of its existence, meaning it has priority over any other power.
>>123222071 If we go by this chart >>123210158 then my bet would be Ilias. She is one of the two Goddesses that created the world in the MGQ Universe but she haven't shown any kind of reality warping. She is capable of unleashing a big bang on a single target and I don't think there is a a another character that can do that also isn't some kind of reality warper.
>>123209924 This >Arceus on the list even though its powerlevel dropped harshly after Mewtwo Y, and even more harshly after Mega-Ray >Battler and Beatrice listed even though none of that shit actually happened >demonbane
>>123223807 If you would have said a Demonbane that was summoned that was physical power incarnate or something along that line you would have been right. A being that can turn of its reality warping power is still a reality warper and not what that poster asked for.
>>123223936 >>Arceus on the list even though its powerlevel dropped harshly after Mewtwo Y, and even more harshly after Mega-Ray That's just the in game tier list. He's in that position for being a creator god that controls time and space. It's not like abilities were retconned.
And he'll eventually get his true 1000 arms form as a Mega anyway and go back up in gameplay rankings.
>>123224499 Well, as far as actual feats go, Arceus can create a new Dialga or Palkia in Heart Gold/Soul Silver, just like the legends say he created them in the beginning, and those Pokemon have been show manipulating dimensions and such.
I had a serious fit of autism last night since I've seen so many versions of this chart and none of them have tiers. If anyone ever decides to 'fix' it again list everything within these destructive/manipulation tiers: Planet Solar System Galaxy Galaxy Cluster Universe Multiverse Megaverse
Put all characters including special characters within them based off past/current feats and not off there stated potential.
>>123224499 >>123224555 >>123224688 Futhermore, during that event, the game creators have clarified/explained that Arceus is remaking the universe from scratch to give you that Level 1 Dialga/Palkia/Giratina.
>>123225083 There's no reason to keep a character in special tier based off the fact that there power can have infinite range but is nowhere near stated to. Take for example Saitama, his biggest acts would still keep him listed in planet tier but then retards would complain that the theme of his character would be ruined if he's not compared to the strongest which makes for a completely retarded gauging.
>>123225632 You just stated this biggest issue with these threads, people keep trying to compare characters. I do that too occasionally but there is no way to make any sort of chart that is good at all with that in mind.
>>123220134 I never understood just why exactly is Tenchi so damn high on the chart? Everything he has shown on screen hasn't been impressive in terms of power ranking. The only 'argument' I've heard for him is that he is a 22 Dimensional entity, which is bullshit since he has never shown that type of powerlevel at all.
You motherfuckers forgot about the Pre-retcon Beyonder motherfuckers. He can blink everything in this thread out of existence and if you deny that, then you are biased and don't know shit. He could blink out the infinite Demonbanes before making the whole Cthulu mythos his personal toys. Read up Secret Wars 1&2 if you're not one of those weeaboo faggots.
>>123225632 No, Medaka is not stronger. She is simply the main character, which Ajimu had explained means that no matter how bullshit the enemies are, Medaka will always win because she's the protagonist in a shounen manga.
The narrative power of never losing due to plot != powerful.
Omnipotent: (Shown that they are without a doubt omnipotent, e.g. Elder God Demonbane) Possibly omnipotent: ( Have been stated to be omnipotent and could most likely be, but haven't shown proof enough to determine if truly omnipotent, e.g. Tenchi) Nearly omnipotent: (Close to being omnipotent but proven not to be truly omnipotent, e.g. Myuugi)
Then some variation of you list without the Megaverse tier as it becomes redundant.
The should also maybe be a separate side-list for meta-characters, but they should also get also get a position in the tier chart. The reason for this is that there is always arguments about if meta-characters even play by the same rules as other by being representation of the writer, reader, and so forth. If one interprets that as some form of omnipotence than they should discuss about their placement in the tier chart, if one doesn't feel that it is a valid interpretation then they have their separate meta side-chart placement. You could also do this for the current special tier.
Another important thing is that there should be no difference being made for the position of characters inside the same tier. All characters in the same tier are classified as the same even though there are small individual differences, so no one can be placed higher then another inside the tier.
>>123226959 FUCK GODDAMNIT! Stop using the word omnipotent. Omnipotent means can do anything, and if EDG is omnipotent, he can just will away all of his enemy instead of fucking summoning other Demonbanes to fight with him. And unless there's something unbelievably stupid I don't know about, the strongest in Demonbane-verse should be Azathoth since everything in the verse is simply a dream of his.
And DOUBLE FUCK GODDAMNIT, there is no near, possibly, whatever- omnipotent. That's like saying 1 trillion is near-infinite. No, nothing is near-infinite. It's either omnipotent or not. Use powerful, almighty, or something less stupid sounding than possibly omnipotent.
>>123226959 >>123229362 Also megaverse tier is chosen as the final tier to represent powers that are told to encompass all universes/realities. Because the chart ranks characters off individual abilities and range there can be multiple character at the top(omnipotent in there story), and the idea of any form of influence of the "author" is just a higher dimension and not our current one unless you're completely mental and think about killing someone and posting evidence that a character did it.
There could also maybe be deviations in each tier but it would have to be within ranks to avoid confusion.
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