So /a/, I've been thinking about this and have not yet come up with a conclusive answer. What is you're opinion? Who would win?
Well, Cu's Gae bolg's anti-unit NP has the tendency to reverse causailty. Thus, the series of "thrust at opponent > piece heart" is reversed by "heart is pierced, thrust opponent." This is something that Accel can't calculate against, since there's no time to. it's done before it's done.
Gae Bolg fucks around with causality. Accelerator himself has hypothesized that attacks like voodoo dolls that goes around his barrier may harm him.
Unless Accel is suddenly Crowley-tier there is no reason for him to not be harmed by Gae Bolg. He may survive it but Gae Bolg will still hit him regardless.
True, but it doesn't just affect his heart
Am I the only one who is sort of mildly offended by this? I think of it for a while and I feel funny and then I just start laughing and read it again. It makes me wonder how it would feel to be tied up while someone who writes this stuff is around. They must be naturally sadistic to come up with it so it makes me feel warm inside.
>They must be naturally sadistic to come up with it so it makes me feel warm inside.
I dunno, some instant kill is fairly tame compared the original version:
>The Gáe Bulg had to be made ready for use on a stream and cast from the fork of the toes. It entered a man's body with a single wound, like a javelin, then opened into thirty barbs. Only by cutting away the flesh could it be taken from that man's body
Shiki loses because Accel can fly and stuff, correct me if I'm wrong since I know nothing about Turkeyhandle but I think he's just a dude with a knife, even if he can debug Accel.
Kanata punches everything in Raildex to death.
Yes, she can punch those to death too.
And possibly eat them.
Accelerator loses as Gae Bolg activates on a higher plane than instantaneous movement and does not rely on speed or vectors to initiate it's effect, it rewrites history itself so that the opponent is already dead.
Unless Accel has immense luck it's impossible.
So let's say Gay Bulge destroys accel's heart.
Can accelerator just use vectors to keep his blood flow going and his oxygen supply alright? And then during this time, he could have heart reconstruction surgery?
Fiamma wins a knuckle sandwich and gets to chow down. That's all.
Tough question, Lancer fucks with causality but Accel fucks with reality so it is hard to think whether the lance or the reflection will have the priority
There is also the fact that gae bolg is a magic item so even if Accel could control its vectors he can't do it efficiently and would have to rely on luck to survive
Then again with how unlucky Lancers are luck is your best ally
He has survived worst
It's essentially Akasha in human form. Can supposedly rewrite history and erase the universe and create a new one in it's place, etc. None of that is ever actually demonstrated, though, and her physical abilities are still limited.
so lower in some cases and faster in others
saints only reach mach 2 i believe, with the only thing being faster and not made of bullshitium being carissa and knight leader. but we don't know how fast they are.
She seems like an annoying roommate to have
Accel likes it though
All good things
Regardless, both of their wings can move at faster speeds and it is not like Fate has realistic standards
Also with Accel's vector control and Kakine being made of DM there really is no reason why they couldn't
Saints are way faster than mach 2. Fighting with Gabriel makes them that if nothing else, since it was making mach 6 jets look like they're standing still and it's wings could cross hundreds of kilometers in a moment.
Didn't Accel outpace a bunch of bullets in the Accel manga?
Well if it's Accelerator, you don't even need Ryougi. Tohno can beat him, assuming he's gone off the deep end and is fully willing to kill another human being. Though even Ryougi has a hard time crossing that line (blah blah you can only commit one murder in your life blah blah).
But assuming they're willing to kill, you don't even need to be able to kill vectors. Remember what happened with Kohaku in Hisui's Good End? Shiki was able to kill the poison within Kohaku's body without actually cutting her flesh. Bypassing Accelerator's AIM Field should be even simpler than that.
Easily. Tohno's the progeny of the greatest clan of assassins in modern human history. Getting the jump on Accelerator with his skills should be easy.
He's not like Ryougi who likes to attack things from the front. That's not how an assassin works. When dealing with an assassin, you shouldn't be worrying about direct confrontations, but ambushes from unexpected places.
Void Shiki can theoretically do anything it wants. It's the root of all things. Basically the all-powerful God of everything that can and can't exist.
In epilogue, she said something about if she wanted to she could wipe out reality. But it has no reason to. I guess if it got too involved in the battle and wanted to win (as ridiculous as that sounds) then it would win any match.
>Shiki was able to kill the poison within Kohaku's body without actually cutting her flesh while almost having a cerebrovascular accident.
Like I said, the thing with Accelerator should be even simpler.
The problem with Kohaku and the poison was that it was inside her and had already mixed in with her system. But Accelerator's lines of death should be in full view and distinct from the lines of his vector field. It should be easy for Shiki to cut them.
After all, he killed Nrvnqsr's very existence with the same method.
That means nothing. Eve if it's a straight fight, Shiki has methods of losing his opponent's sight. If he's in a disadvantageous location, then he'll just move to a better one.
Accelerator's fast thanks to his ability, but his actual senses shouldn't be much further above the average human's. Shiki's skilled enough to avoid vampires and oni hybrids, so there's no way Accelerator can keep up with him with his senses alone. All Shiki needs is one opportunity. Just one chance to slip out of Accelerator's line of sight.
Nasu didn't say "Ryougi 3 can only fight defensively but she can still win anyway". He said "Ryougi 3 can only fight defensively". That's it. There aren't enough lines to read in-between. What he said was simple and easy to understand.
Accelerator's reactions are actually fairly fast.
Hell, the guy was able to cut into the fight between Kazakiri and Gabriel after all.
In raildex being unlucky is the greatest luck of them all
Also he has a loli, he is obviously luckier than Lancer
Nasu says a lot of retarded shit.
Use a bit of logic. Void Shiki is bound by the human bodies limitations which it inhabits.
So obviously it can't be fighting at a Servants level of strength or speed as the body just isn't made for that. But as it said in Epilogue and what's implied considering the nature of it's being, it can win any battle with some OP trick like that.
He has nothing on Shiki. If Shiki wanted to disappear, there's not a goddamn thing Accelerator can do about it. That's the difference between an amateur who pretends to be a professional and a born-professional who pretends to be an amateur.
>But Accelerator's lines of death should be in full view and distinct from the lines of his vector field.
For some reason I assumed you were talking about his AIM field. Why would Accelerator walk without his vector bullshit protecting him?
It doesn't matter if he has it up or not. As long as Shiki can see your line of death, he can cut it. There should be nothing obstructing Shiki's views of Accelerator's lines. His vector field shouldn't provide any sort of conceptual defense.
Eh, Accelerator isn't exactly an amateur, people try and ambush him all the time.
And hell, the guy doesn't just control vectors but perceives them. He can literally track sound waves and radiation as they travel. Sneaking up on him is hard.
>So obviously it can't be fighting at a Servants level of strength or speed as the body just isn't made for that
Not related but why people always say normalfags can't fight servants? we have seen several humans fighting against servants and wining, or at least surviving, in all the fate series
Anon, Shiki is in a completely different league from anyone Accelerator's ever faced. Nanaya are crazy. There's a reason the Nanaya were at the top of the Oni Hunter clans.
It doesn't matter what kind of powers Accelerator has. He doesn't have the training to follow an assassin of Shiki's caliber.
Nigga how da fuck are servants more powerful than the very thing that created them and the entire multiverse?
Void IS 'God', for all intents and purposes.
I don't think any of those servants are at full power when fighting humans. Just look at Caster's husbando and Saber. Saber wasn't at her prime and the husbando had some charm shit from Caster to make him stronger, iirc.