>that moment when you realize you want to fuck a cyborg bear
>Wanting anything to do with bears at all
If gesu could turn back into a human, would she be part robot still? I want to see that.
Please don't bully a nasty.
I liked this ending
These days (well all previous days probably too) you usually get some sort of open ending with random S2+ tease or "quick! we have to play it safe" ending or combination of both.
Yurikuma ending is the way it should be
Bears and people are just 2 separate groups that hate each other and exist in constant conflict.
Kureha became a bear because she realized making Ginko into a human didn't solve anything and was just playing into the invisible storm. If pulling them over to your side doesn't fix anything, then cross over to their side.
Bears and people could be Capulets and Montagues, japanese and koreans, or any 2 groups of people that irrationally hate one another.
The schoolgirls were all gay as fuck, bears have nothing to do with sexual orientation.
Lulu was somewhat ambigious until they show her together with her dead little brother, it's made pretty obvious at least those two are in some sort of afterlife.
Kureha and Ginko is left open to interpretation.
Squirrel-chan is adorable, but my god that concentrated moe almost killed me
It's important to never give up on boxes.
I know, right? People actually believe that there's nothing unnatural about a human falling in love with a bear.
I'll rub myself on it.
It was not her. You know, just kinda like in Babylon 5 these...err what was the name again? Anyway ancient order guys show up and younger races see them as angels and deities of their choosing
>People are irrationally afraid of ogres (bears) and think they're disgusting and must be eliminated
>Ends with a kiss that turns his princess into a full time ogre, Shrek originally thought she would be happier as a human
>But they're happier this way because love
>Fuck off to their swamp (yuri paradise)
>Sumika is Donkey
Ikuhara start selling this ice grinder or you suck at marketing!
Somehow I called earlier in the episode twintails would be important, I don't know how but I think I have yuri intuition. When I saw her sitting at the computer I said to myself "This girl seems important"
If it was Kureha who gave up on love, why was Ginko in a court trial being told that stuff about forgetting here and her giving up on love?
Trials are so confusing, like the rest of the series when Kureha got several calls and fell rolling to the court but Ginko and Lulu were the ones to show up before the judges.
Consorting with bears will get you killed.
Konomi was a lesbian who hid her tendencies and became Yurizono's underling, but was exposed. Instead of being kicked out she started ratting out the other lesbains because she was a coward, and the girls let her stick around because she was useful, symbolized by them using her as a cyborg weapon. After Ginko and Kureha left she was abandoned again, but twintails ended up falling for her in the end.
The trial where Ginko chose to forget Kureha never happened, it was just shown to us to go along with Lulu's (incorrect guess) that that was what had happened. Also, Kureha never gave up on love, she "relinquished what was most important to her," which happened to be her love with Ginko and therefore her memories.
Chipmunk was a human because she went to yuri court to promise her love for Yurizono.
Turns out not all love is meant to be and Yurizono was a top bitch, so she died and lost but lucky her she came back as a cyborg bear and found new love in someone with an ungodly fetish for cyborg bears who are also girls.
Yurizono was a human because she wanted to fuck everyone in the school.
>If it was Kureha who gave up on love, why was Ginko in a court trial being told that stuff about forgetting here and her giving up on love?
That was part of the story Lulu told Kureha, it never actually happened. A lot of the flashbacks are events that particular characters think might have happened this way but there is no guarantee they actually did.
Ginko and Lulu were actually going to court to see if it was okay to kill whoever was the head of the Invisible Storm in the first and second episode at least. That way they could protect Kureha by murdering whoever hurt her feelings.
Time to wait four more years for another show from Ikuhara.
I teared up when I saw Lulu with her little brother.
In fact, the entire credits sequence was absolutely beautiful.
Yuri for the yuri god!
Bears for the bear throne!
Do you think Yuriika met up with Reia when she went to bear heaven?
Anyone who can't follow social cues, like for example "don't fuck dead animals," must be excluded.
No, they spell it out for you at the very end.
At this point if you don't already know what the invisible storm was, you shouldn't even bother trying to watch anything that involves metaphors or symbolism since you clearly will never get it.
Mitsuko was even more evil and sluttier. Too bad she was trapped in such a shit series because she was so much fun to watch.
fuck butterfly chan. throw her off a building >:(
the ultimate big bad was her all along. just another identical leader of the invisible storm. a nobody who will never matter, who will be forgotten when bears eat her and she is immediately replaced like all her predecessors.
Would you give your body over to the bears?
I kind of feel like Ikuhara does these sorts of endings because he doesn't really know how to properly end a story in a way that doesn't involve the wall between reality and fantasy breaking down. Now, in this series, the wall was never particularly strong, when he uses fantasy as a deus ex machina, it isn't particularly interesting.
I mean, Kureha knew Ginko for maybe a few months as a very young child. But the plot basically made it incumbent on her to return Ginko's love even though she really barely even knew her. Are they just going to skip merrily through the sky-world together for the rest of eternity? Is that really a good ending? What about the fact that no matter whether Sumika was really Kumaria, Ginko still let her die? I don't know about you, but even if I had some sort of childhood tryst with a girl, if I forgot about her (like most people forget about friends they had when they were 5) and found out that she stood by while the woman I currently loved was killed and did nothing, I don't see how I could ever even LOOK at her, let alone love her again.
I really want to like the ending, but it just feels wrong. It's not just because its surreal - Penguindrum and Utena were like that, but at least there, there was a sense of reasonableness. Shouma came to love Ringo and sacrificed himself for her; Kanba had his love returned, but he still had to pay for all the people he killed.
So aside Chouko and Tomboy, did anyone else lose?
I think that it's time for you to be excluded, anon.
Is Utena really that good?
Gotta say, I can't see anything topping Penguindrum in my opinion for a long time.
It already feels bad to know I'll never be able to see Penguindrum for the first time again.
I'm curious by the way things played out who REALLY won the Kurebowl, Ginko or Sumika. Kreuha saying Sumika taught her she was looking for "true love", not sure how to interpret that. Plus Sumika coming down as the yuri goddess (even though it probably wasn't really her) I wonder Kureha will be banging her behind Ginko's back or it just becomes a 3 way relationship.
Would it feel good? If it would, of course.
Her best performance was after death, though. That scene when she acts as Ginko's desire is one of the best of the entire show.
I think you're taking the plot of the series too literally when it's meant to be abstract and surreal in the first place. Like in all Ikuhara shows, the development of the themes take precedence over plot consistency or characterization.
>I kind of feel like Ikuhara does these sorts of endings because he doesn't really know how to properly end a story in a way that doesn't involve the wall between reality and fantasy breaking down.
This didn't really happen in MPD.
Yuriika lost her bride-in-the-box.
Anyone else feel like this was originally planned as a two-cour show?
I feel like this fucker definitely was supposed to have more plot significance at some point.
The parallel was more to the scene where Kureha meets Ginko. In this case, it's Kureha's example that will continue to widen the cracks in the invisible society, as more and more girls don't back down on love and even dare to love bears.
This. Mitsuko was also obviously not actually a ghost. It makes sense to represent those concepts (desire for Mitsuko, true love for Sumika) as people who are connected to those concepts.
It's one of those shows that would have worked really well with 15-18 episodes, but suffered from anime only being allowed to have 11-13 or 22-26 episodes.
This happens way too often.
It was, but I'm not objecting to the surrealness in itself, just the fact that it was used as a cop-out so the characters would move as the plot required. Kureha shouldn't have forgiven Ginko so easily, it doesn't make any sense.
I wouldn't say Chouko lost.
But Tomboy, Side ponytail-chan, Yuriika and headband-chan all lost pretty hard.
Arguably Mitsuko lost twice (once as a human, once as Ginko's desire)
And Life Cool lost every trial.
Everyone's dead except for Squirrel and Butterfly.
I actually do think it could have afforded to be longer. I feel like I was lacking emotional investment in the characters, particularly side characters, because we didn't get enough time to get to know them.
well when you put it that way i feel better, except about butterfly being alive. (She would have been immediately replaced like all the others were, because that's what the invisible storm is)
He actually won once, when Lulu spilled the beans about going to court.
Whoops. Forgot to add that scene to the greentext. Makes sense too. The ideas of never giving up on love constantly being passed down. Reia > Kureha > Twintails watching Kureha and Ginko
Okay, not "fantasy" then. But the fact that the characters problems all have to be worked out using bizarre symbolic imagery is basically what happens in all his stuff. I think it was more effectively done in MPD, but even there, it was overdone.
And eventually she will be. The only people who were capable of participating in the storm but not be in danger of being consumed by it were those, like Mitsuko, who knew the whole thing was a sham and used it to their own ends.
Butterfly's on borrowed time.
Really, I could imagine any of his three originals being someone's favorite since they're all very good. It's all a matter of what speaks to you personally.
I think most people are drawn to that aspect of his works because it's what differentiates him from other directors of TV anime and makes his shows so interesting and endearing.
The ending is really just this, straight from Morishima Akiko.
I agree absolutely. I honestly cannot chose between the two series. Like for me Utena was just a real masterpiece that nothing else can touch, but the fact Penguindrum really struck a chord with me personally makes it impossible for me to properly compare or chose between the two series. If that makes any sense?
The thing is, he always kicks it into overdrive at the end. I guess it depends on what you think of ambiguous endings - I tend not to like them, which is why I'm much less satisfied with how he ends things than how he sets things up.
Like, between the last two episodes of Eva and EoE, which are two different interpretations of the same events, Ikuhara always gives us the last two episodes treatment. Just once, I want him to know what the shit I'm seeing actually means.
I wouldn't say it's a better first episode, but it's my favorite episode from the series and one of my favorite episodes from any of Ikuhara's shows (along with Penguindrum episode 9 and Wakaba's duel episode)
True, it's what really gave the show its storybook vibes that carried through to the end, but I was just so fascinated with the general visual design and style of the world by the first episode I feel like it would have been a waste starting it in a different setting. Plus, starting the show with an episode focused on a side character would've hurt the pacing quite a bit.