As if it's a hard choice. Middle forever.
original anime > live action > musicals >>>>> manga > shit >>>> Crystal
I like the first style the most. I'd fund Sailor V in something closer to that by myself if I could and Venus is my 5th or 6th favorite.
It's a shame fans post and use overstated shots like that in the middle. The Japanese dvds with noise flying everywhere are more watchable than that.
Waiting to re-watch the third. "I waited 2 weeks for this" really kills things doubly. The music is close to the second's to me but that's about it. I'm basically watching the OP and ED hoping something decent happens in between.
>Using early manga and anime art as examples to compare with Crystal
>I'd fund Sailor V in something closer to that by myself if I could
I would too.
Crystal easily. Only oldfag hipsters like the old anime, but it's extremely outdated, has a shittonne of filler and the characters have manfaces.
Never read the manga, but heard it wasn't as good as the old series, which can't be good.
Crystal has the cleanest art style by far, and the story is told far better than it was 20 years ago.
>Crystal has the cleanest art style by far
Elysion Represent, bitches.
No, we actually don't. Most of the anime was done because the guys at Toei wanted to do it; Naoko was basically roped in to making the manga version of an offshoot of her Sailor V series. Without her, something resembling the SM anime might still have been produced, but without Toei she would have just continued on with Codename:SV and nobody here would be talking about it because it would have remained just a manga that only Japanese girls cared about.
Dude, that's what pretty much everyone was hoping for. We will never get the aprox 26 eps per arc anime adaptation (Dark Kingdom should still get more episodes than the rest of them as it has way more stuff to set up anyway) that combines the best features of all the versions that we almost universally agree would be the ideal.
>there will never be a Sailor V anime
It's been broadcasted in over 50 different languages.
What kind of shithole country do you live in?
Finland. Actually my previous statement wasn't completely true, we did get it. Too bad it was already year 2002 and the fucking thing was dubbed in Swedish.
The language aside, I was too old to give a fuck about a series made for little girls.
Each one has their charm, but I personally prefer the top. I do love the middle because it has the most heart and charm taken from the manga, while deviating from the source material enough to make it unique. The bottom is an attempt to make a call back to that time and honestly does it poorly, but perhaps that was the intention. The director did say it was aimed at the same fanbase who watched the original but have now grown older. It's reaching for nostalgia while presenting itself in a more romantic, yet blander way.
The manga captures what both the original anime and the remake tried to achieve perfectly and is therefore the best for me.
>Not being a little girl at heart
>Crystal has the cleanest art style by far
On the contrary, I think the sterile nature of Crystal is the biggest thing working against it. That and how the character designs are so stiff and uncompromising.
>the story is told far better than it was 20 years ago.
The story maybe, but the supporting senshi have been reduced to archetypes with no real development or unique personality. No one ever watched SM for the story. The endless and varied character interactions were the heart and soul of the franchise.
People who talk about "clean" animation are either worthless plebs or trolls. It seems going off model >>123429968 is now undesirable because it's not graceful or whatever. The irony of this with Crystal is hilarious.
>No one ever watched SM for the story.
Ehh. There's really no series with a better plot out there. The characters are an important part of this, but Sailor Moon is basically a cycle of Greek style tragedies, blown up to a large scale. No other anime series does this as well or succeeds at being as epic.
>No other anime series does this as well or succeeds at being as epic.
You need to watch more anime.
The main staying power Sailor Moon has is the characterization and watching for character interactions, that it has to stick to the usual episodic formulae is what makes it nigh unbearable.
I have watched 'more anime'. The episodic formula would almost kill it, but what makes it work is that instead of relying on suspense and "oh no, what if this thing happened *shock*", it is actually enhanced by having dramatic things be set up in ways that you will see coming from miles away.
It is precisely because it gets away from the reliance on the viewer not being able to predict what happens next and instead embraces the gleeful sense of things playing out inevitably, along with its thematic strengths and great direction, that it looses no steam on repeat viewings and is most tragic in the classical sense of the term.
>that it looses no steam on repeat viewings
I'm sorry you really need to watch more anime, I cannot imagine anybody watching Sailor Moon more than once. It has not aged well at all, the overly episodic format weighs on too heavily. And it's not tragic at all.
To compare directly with another Mahou Shoujo, Nanoha:
Fate's mother in S1 realizing what she had too late.
Explain to me how Sailor Moon is tragic.
And then qualify your powerlevel too when you've done that.
>If anything, Precia got what she deserved.
Whether she deserved it or not is unrelated to it being tragic, even for Fate's sake it's just sad that she realized it only at the very end. It would have been a lot less tragic for instance if she
diedwithout that realization.
You need to get a better grasp of tragedy, it's not done solely on some scale of what's "right and wrong", losing what you don't realize you have is probably one of the most poignant and well used implement of tragedy.
Before Crystal aired I used to fear it would turn out like that, but now I think it would actually be an improvement.
>this is the fate of digimon tri
Sailor Moon's plot is abysmal. The best thing it ever does in the original anime is be irrelevant and get out of the way of hijinks and character antics.
Crystal is pretty much just the manga faithfully (if poorly) animated, and it's shit.
Is there any part of the manga that's actually good? I got up to volume 3 and just couldn't take it anymore. I loved all of the anime.
>Tragic would imply that the event is either shocking or unfair.
In general an event needs to be either shocking or unfair to be tragic, but even that's not necessarily sufficient.
>Whether she deserved it or not is unrelated to it being tragic
That's not the case. Different tragedies have different degrees to which their characters are 'guilty' of their actions and choices, but characters cannot be completely innocent and responsible for nothing, nor can they be completely at fault in an utterly unsympathetic and unforgivable way. What IS important, and far more crucial to the tragic response, is that you should NOT feel sad for the events of characters. You may very much care for them in terms of feeling compassion towards their character, but the effect should be to induce joy and satisfaction instead of sadness. It is precisely by twisting events.
I haven't actually watched Nanoha beyond the first few episodes and I don't care about seinen magical girl shows in general. They all feel completely off character wise compared to actual mahou shoujos and i don't enjoy watching them.
Manga story line without a doubt, but I would've wanted them to keep the original anime's writing/art style and monster of the week formula to stretch it out, and flesh out the supporting sailor scouts.
Middle. The original anime series, I love it to be bits and I only recently got into Sailor Moon last year.
Why are you watching that pink SMC release?
That skull is pretty moe.
But seriously, complaining about incorrect anatomy in anime is stupid. The problem is that it LOOKS retarded not that it's anatomically wrong
I STILL HAVE NOT WATCHED PAST EPISODE ONE!!
>Only oldfag hipsters like the old anime, but it's extremely outdated, has a shittonne of filler and the characters have manfaces.
You've probably never watched older series when you got old enough to judge it properly, otherwise you would know that "filler" episodes in Sailor Moon are neatly done and don't feel like a filler, art became very good season 3 onwards, and there are no manfaces whatsoever.
>You may very much care for them in terms of feeling compassion towards their character, but the effect should be to induce joy and satisfaction instead of sadness.
I don't even. Are you trying to say that we shouldn't feel sad for her because she might have been slightly deserving of what happened?
>I haven't actually watched Nanoha beyond the first few episodes
Maybe you should then before arguing this, she realized that she had something truly precious only at the very end.
>Are you trying to say that we shouldn't feel sad for her because she might have been slightly deserving of what happened?
In general, or in reference to the specific example I believe you've given? No. I'm certainly not saying you should suspend your sympathetic response in order to instead be satisfied with the idea that someone 'really just deserved it', even for forgivable actions, quite the opposite really. It's just that, specifically, to fully appreciate tragic drama you need to be aware of the various ways a character may be both justified and unjustified in their actions and to see them both as deserving genuine sympathy and, simultaneously, blame, though it's up to the observer as to specifically how they ultimately view and judge the actions.
The whole point of this is to embrace a deep sense of joy and energy, not at the idea that a character got their just desserts, but because a feeling of mutual, unconditional compassion and simultaneous horror at the inherent terror of their decisions, in realizing how morally twisted the events are. In a tragedy (which your example may or may not be), these feelings should overwhelm and overcome any feelings of sadness that might occur otherwise. There need not even be any 'bad' ending as long as these feelings are inspired.
>The whole point of this is to embrace a deep sense of joy and energy
For tragedy? What the fuck are you even trying to say.
It's a tie between the manga and the original anime for me, mostly because there are different aspects to each style I enjoy. On some level, I hoped Crystal would be a better mix of older versions - follow the manga more closely but still putting in a bit of padding to better develop the characters.
Somehow they sucked the humor out of both the manga and the first anime. Bums me out.
>piss yellow subs
How was this ever considered a good idea? I used to watch stuff with yellow subtitles too, but they make my eyes bleed now.
Yes. I'm pointing out what dramatists and philosophers have generally agreed is the goal of tragic drama for the past few millenia of western civilization. The modern English idea of tragedy as a really sad event is the new and strange one.
Is there any implied yuri in Crystal?
how can anyone choose anything but the original anime.
It was the first anime I've ever seen back in 1995.
I was a huge fan of it, in love with Usagi (as a 6yearold) and rewatched it all in 2010. Maybe I have to do it again.
Greatest MS ever.
"There is a misconception of tragedy with which I have been struck in review after review, and in many conversations with writers and readers alike. It is the idea that tragedy is of necessity allied to pessimism. Even the dictionary says nothing more about the word than that it means a story with a sad or unhappy ending. This impression is so firmly fixed that I almost hesitate to claim that in truth tragedy implies more optimism in its author than does comedy, and that its final result ought to be the reinforcement of the onlooker's brightest opinions of the human animal." - ARTHUR MILLER
Why are you even bringing up an ancient, archaic, and outdated usage of the term that only historians would even discuss?
The original meaning is different, words change over time and the usage in this thread isn't the same as what you think. I have no idea why you would even think this.