This is medieval Islamic world, yes? If you were a peasant or a nomad during that time,it wasn't too uncommon for women of such classes to sometimes even be half naked. If you were a noble woman or one the wife or daughter of a merchant, you were often held to stricter standards of modesty, while the attire of the pastoral or peasant crowds could be a bit more fluid either because they were too poor to afford clothes, had to work outdoors a lot or sometimes rarely ever interacted with men who weren't blood related. Courtesans didn't always wear strict attire either.
>>123551238 >This is medieval Islamic world, yes? If you were a peasant or a nomad during that time,it wasn't too uncommon for women of such classes to sometimes even be half naked. If you were a noble woman or one the wife or daughter of a merchant, you were often held to stricter standards of modesty, while the attire of the pastoral or peasant crowds could be a bit more fluid either because they were too poor to afford clothes, had to work outdoors a lot or sometimes rarely ever interacted with men who weren't blood related. Courtesans didn't always wear strict attire either. Wow. That's completely contrary to was I was led to believe.
Though it kind of make sense from a rich/poor standpoint.
You, I've been thinking about that little "misconceptions about Islam" anime character thing from Deviantart or wherever it is, and I got to thinking - isn't representative drawing explicitly forbidden by the Koran as a form of making graven images?
To be fair, the hijab is obligatory according to Islamic law, but traditional Islamic societies were very stratified along lines of class and rank, a lot of time the peasants or nomads were seen as being of so base of character that they weren't really held to the standards of the upper classes. The Islamic world wasn't too different from the Christian world in that the peasants pretty much earned their way into heaven by serving their feudal lords and supporting the clergy, who were their intercessors with God. As long as they did that, they could sometimes get away with a lot of things that might be seen as contrary to divine law by the average Muslim today. Also, sometimes the religious values among peasants, the middle class and the nobility could be very different from one another with each being serviced by its own group of religious advisers.
It's really only been until recently that social conditions have allowed for a universal hijab to be more strongly enforced, partly because of rapid urbanization, centralization of power into the hands of the nation state, industrialization and the influence of socialist ideas of a classless society which had a huge impact on Islamist reformers. A country like Iran is more like a Soviet State than a medieval Islamic kingdom or a gunpowder empire.
Not really. The Koran itself doesn't forbid painting or even sculpture outright, that belief is mostly derived from certain extra traditions. I know some Muslims who don't believe you should have any portraits of living things, but most tend to feel it's only wrong to portray certain religious figures and even there one can easily find religious icons of actual saints and prophets.
It really sucks too that many people have this misconception that there's no diversity of opinion or that painting in Islamic cultures was strictly "secular". Academics ignore the religious symbolism and uses of paintings and there are Muslims who don't want to even acknowledge that part of history so there's a lot of people who are totally ignorant of the whole schools of painting in the Islamic world or on the popular use of icons and amulets.
>>123553136 Yeah. Between what's unanimously forbidden (graven idols used in worship) and what's unanimously allowed (2D images of non-living objects used for purely instructive purposes) there is plenty of room for interpretations.
There was even a cartoon made for children that was basically an animated adaptation of that movie The Message and that was actually approved and promoted by several Muslim organizations, so the diversity is still there. I think it's just that you have people who have personal axes to grind.
Most Muslims don't have a problem with cartoons in and of themselves and some of the biggest weebs I've met or talked to have been Arabs. Jojo got in trouble for having a bad guy reading a Koran because Arabs subbed the show themselves.
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