ITT: Good characters stuck in shit series
>implying onii-sama is bad/evil
And I’m not talking about Edo Tensei Madara Uchiha. I’m talking about Gedou Rinne Tensei Madara Uchiha with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and Rinnegan doujutsus (with the rikodou abilities and being capable of both Amateratsu and Tsukuyomi genjutsu), equipped with his Gunbai, a perfect Susano’o, control of the juubi and Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju’s DNA implanted in him so he has mokuton kekkei genkai and can perform yin yang release ninjutsu while being an expert in kenjutsu and taijutsu.
Frieza. And I'm not talking about Golden Frieza, after he trained four months. I'm not talking about Cyborg Frieza. I'm not talking about Final form, in restriction mode or 100% Full Power, neither about Third or Second Form. I'm talking about First-Form Frieza, when he destroyed the planet Vegeta.
You clearly are too new to be commenting on something Mondaiji related.
There is no one else as perfect as Onii-sama. Well, we get to see the better version since Kazuma was an adult already, lost his chink waifu, and trolled the shit out of everyone.
Onii-sama is stuck in a lame hs setting making things bad, I'm waiting for the time he just drops from 1st High and do his Batman things alone, like Hei.
Now I remember I have to read the LN. It seems it was already completely translated.
She's an atheistic terrorist done correctly, well at least in my opinion.
Shame the show was such a disappointment.
>it's popular so i'll hate it
I know this is bait, but you must be ridiculously new to anime to ignore Mirai Nikki's writing flaws. Its almost a parody in itself for how stupid a series can become with some of the worst asspulls i've ever seen in an anime.
>Went full battle shounen because the author can't write worth a damn.
>Character relevance decided by popularity polls.
>OMG SO META!!! XDDD plot point beaten to death because it was literally the only thing.
>"LE EPIC PLOT TWISTS" not even fun. Just boring.
The art and Kumgawa are literally the only things it has going for it.
You could try like, reading the words instead of just looking at the pretty pictures, you know.
Nah, these two were that show's only redeeming grace by the end of S2
>not cute, loving, and endearing
>carrying about a character's intelligence when the series has no plot
I miss Kazuma, I vaguely recall the novel author died some time ago?
A fair-looking but violent shitdere? Beats her down several times instead of the usual trope of getting whipped. Uncle comes beat you up? Let's fight. Other girls come to offer themselves to you? Partake some skinship instead of letting violent shitdere cockblock. Some shit he can't stop? No head-diving and tries to think about go around it.
You see that guy with the V signs back there? The one who sticks band-aids in himself when he is lost in thought? THAT was the one that made the whole Hamatora mixed project 11/10. Murasaki is fine, too
people who want a gratifying watching experience as opposed to something they can just waste time to.
"who cares because I, as in ME, NOT YOU, think its enjoyable."
you're not that important, nigger
I'm glad it's over.
Alright I'll admit, that was pretty good
Not remotely a shit series, but great taste in girls.
>Index is worse than Railgun
Now I ~know~ you're legally retarded.
>autistic virgins like touma are mad
>think a decent series shit
>get called out for shit taste
>"At the end of the day, it's all just opinions, ya know?"
Didn't you remember the part where yui scored higher than everyone on the exam (with a 100) or learned the guitar extremely quickly?
She's not a complete dumbass, she's just unfocused
>scored higher than everyone on the exam
>learned the guitar extremely quickly
>"An estimated 0.5% to 10% of individuals with ASD show unusual abilities, ranging from splinter skills such as the memorization of trivia to the extraordinarily rare talents of prodigious autistic savants."
It all makes sense now.
Not even close. Keep guessing though; I love watching over-analysing types run in mental circles trying to fit anonymous strangers into their narrow-minded stereotypes.
>not about mysteries
Did someone not finish their cornflakes this morning anon?
Reread the title, nigger; it says
>*Good* characters stuck in *shit* series
, not the other way around.
>[ ] Like OPM
>[ ] Retarded
>[ ] Trolling
Neither of these are good characters. Entertaining for some people maybe, but not well written by a long shot. Why not just change the thread topic to "characters that we like?"
>I watch anime to have a gratifying experience and say I saw something good
>I also call people niggers because they have a different opinion
you're not that important either friendo, japan isn't going to stop making shit because you didn't think they're good
>Lol Hyouka was bad that's the joke of the day
Would you kind punctuate so as to make some sense?
It really is not deep at all. But it has a tremendous amount of character development throughout the series that seems to have completely gone over your head, more than likely because you have not trained yourself to understand literary cues resulting in shit taste.
Their story is just beautiful. But the disaster of a series that they were in is just depressing.
I never felt an ounce of sympathy for her. She was made to lay in the bed that she made. Everything was literally her fault, and then she gets mad about it, that's pretty stupid in my book.
That is fine. But do not use your subjective tastes to make broad judgments like 'It was about the mysteries' when you walked into the show with a strong bias. It examined a lot of themes and brought along alot of subtle character development with it. To shove it off as drivel is asinine.
Kyoto Animation are ~the~ paint-by-numbers anime studio. From a storytelling perspective they've have their asses backwards for years.
This is all symptomatic of them having long since reached sufficient renown that they don't actually have to make anything authentically interesting. It's faggots like >>123577797 and >>123578035, who get too wrapped up in the hipster-baiting art and thematic shenanigans of KyoAni, and the more insufferable likes of >>123576727 and >>123577656, the 'babby's first mystry ledditor herp derp - I = SCREAM = mind = blown' demographic, who make this abundantly clear to any reasonable anime fan.
There isn't the slightest scrap of creative profundity to the 22+1 episodes of Hyouka, and yet these types will harp on and on about what a resplendent viewing experience that pile of overplayed excrement is.
Hyouka is shit, but it's not the end of the world, retards; You can deal with this.
You seem to have typed a whole lot and replied to quite a few posts mockingly while posting a really cool, new, hip reaction image. I can see this means you are obviously not angry at the fact that some people enjoyed the show and you focused on animation details instead of themes.
>Implying the writing isn't just pandering disguised as LOLMETA.
>Implying meta means it's good.
>Implying walls of text are inherently clever.
>Implying walls of text make it not shit.
You have to actually watch the show to know that they do flesh out the characters, specially their interaction with eachother
>the 'babby's first mystry ledditor herp derp - I = SCREAM = mind = blown' demographic
That's like saying that Code Geass is about mechs.
There are idiots who watch Geass for nothing but mechs.
I explained that there are multiple kinds of pandering within Hyouka in my post. It was kind of the point of that sentence.
Maybe you'd like to try reading what I typed again, hmm?
By the way: you're the first kind of idiotic KyoAni fanboy I listed. You have enough sense not to be the second breed of retard, but your self-awareness is lacking. Maybe one day... Ganbatte, Anon-kun!
Oh, I don't care then.
Also can't believe noone has posted pic related.
But a cool faggot, like Freddie Mercury.
He was pretty good for the one or two episodes where he was actually a character.
Like pretty much everything in SAO he is a victim to massive amounts of wasted potential.
>no Klein forming his guild arc and slowly helping Kirito open up more and work together with people
Fuck Sword Art Online.
Shirou a cute, I want to protect that pantsu pervert.
Why does it upset you that it is overrated? What series do you feel are underrated that deserve Hyouka's praise(which is non existant as this i the first thread in months it's been mentioned)
>irrational hatred of kyoani
I don't hate KyoAni. Hating something takes more effort than KyoAni is worth.
I'm just really disappointed with the studio's steady decline in the artistic value of it's work since FMP 2R and Haruhi S1, and I'm able to acknowledge its half-arsed, pandering grabs for plebeian approval as what they are.
They've declined to playing a cash-grabbing bit part in the industry they once innovated.
Because every time someone mentions it in negative light, hyoukafags feel the need to go into long debates about it, as it's evident by this long discussion by now, and it's pretty damn annoying
I'm not saying there are series that deserve the praise Hyouka is getting, because frankly there aren't many SoL that are underrated, but the things hyoukafags say are ridiculous which is why I think it's overrated
I suppose i can see where you come from. I suppose i am not familiar with such a feeling because i can't think of any particular studio that i have ever put on a pedestal. I see them all as contributing both good and bad and of course having certain stereotypes attached to them.
Kyoani in particular are the go to moeblob anime studio and mo Hyouka is the last good thing they produced.
To be honest i do not know what the general populace's perspective on the show is. I myself think it's portrayal of the differences between hard workers and geniuses is quite well done and i liked the parallels it put between class and those attributes.
I would not consider that 'deep' but i do certainly think it is very well done.
>Kyoani in particular are the go to moeblob anime studio
They weren't always, which is why I am so disappoint. The money and fame that came with K-On!'s popularity soured most of KyoAni's artistic spirit
I agree it did its job well, it had clear themes, but it took a lot of time to explore them and of course some people see it as a borefest.
For me it was like that in the beginning but after the first mystery, when characters became clearer and got interesting, I stopped losing attention. It's still appraised as deep though and even called a masterpiece, sometimes I can't even tell if these people are reverse trolling or just plain stupid.
I can partially agree with that but i feel the fact they have put out two passion-projects since then (Nichijou,Hyouka) kind of goes against that thinking.
You also have to keep in mnd kyoani was never perfect even before K-On they made very middle of the road shows like FMP and definitely had their fair share of melodramatic and manipulative shows like Clannad and Kanon(sp?)
I simply think they are a studio that has always had highs and lows.
It puts itself forward in a very presumptuous, profound fashion. It's a series that misrepresents it's own depth and overplays it's drama. It takes itself too seriously, and you'll see a vein of that in Hyouka apologists, who start down-gearing their worship and defense of it as critics pick their praises apart, until all that's left is 'Well, I thought it was well-polished, at least.'
I'll just go ahead and point out that all you've done is harp about what you hate about the Hyouka fanbase in most obnoxious and condescending fashion imaginable.
You haven't actually given even a single reason for anyone to believe that Hyouka is shit. You haven't even given a proper opinion, just a bunch of random insults that hold no meaning.
It handles some very anti-japanese themes well and at the very least i would say it's brave in that regard. I think it's an 8/10 personally and its one of the only shows i felt compelled to do that for in years but it is by no means a masterpiece or flawless(ie the forced reveal of the saboteur at the end of the school festival) but it had very strong characters that i feel reached much farther than simply their designs or initial impressions. This is more than i can say for a lot of things that have aired in the past few years.
I guess im a bit biased at this point but i mostly feel like people feel it was pretentious or presumptuous near it's end because they did not understand the significance of the final moments of the show.they merely see the filter and misinterpret the intentions and feel as if something has been forced onto them very harshly without taking the time to analyze it they simply feel as though a melodrama has jumped the gun of taking itself too seriously.
Oh, it's you.
What's with the "well written" bullshit these days? Don't tell me I have to accept normalfags as main characters, or people with lots of flaws just because I need to relate to inferior chink entertainment.
There was no good characters in evol, just ones that weren't as shit. Andy and MIX look amazing in comparison with the shitfest that was Amata/Mikono/Zessica/Kagura but that doesn't make them great characters. And most of their relationship revolved around MIX's tits so I wouldn't call that amazing.
>they have put out two passion-projects since then (Nichijou,Hyouka)
Except that Nichijou puts too much effort into the art, that it detracts from the humour,
And Hyouka isn't a 'passion-project'; It's the same shit as Chuu2, as Free, as KnK - they take popular source material and buff it up until it's all sparkling without adding any pizzaz or consideration to it. Their product is generic and lifeless, cookie-cut.
Do a scene-by-scene mashup of some recent KyoAni shows and show them to someone who hasn't watched them - same drawing style, same atmosphere, similar settings - I bet you they won't realise they're watching different anime.
KyoAni doesn't do shows anymore unless they fit very specific criteria. When you no longer challenge yourself is when you've moved away from art into the realm of repetition. You're baking twinkies, practically identical, one after another. You can't call yourself a 'studio' when you've stooped to the level of a factory. They're riding the gravy train.
KyoAni lately is like watching AAA Blockbusters.
Hyouka was never pretentious. It's more it comes from a novel and while reading it is one thing, animating it was another. It hardly introduces otaku pandering, or a character talking about waifus, anime, manga, etc.
So, it was never aimed to youngsters, or at least it's not the main demographic. When it was adapted I could think why. Maybe an action live, but not an anime.
>posts in /a/
Well, if I age enough I won't even look back at anime/manga anymore.
The thing is no one cares, just look for the stuff you like and let others eat shit and be happy doing so.
This young troubled and conflicted gentleman
>You haven't actually given even a single reason for anyone to believe that Hyouka is shit. You haven't even given a proper opinion, just a bunch of random insults that hold no meaning.
Now you're just ignoring the holes in your hugbox, whilst simultaneously projecting the inanity of your disagreement onto me.
You're not the only dumbass here. I've been talking to other anons as well. Read up the posts critical of Hyouka - about a third of them are mine.
Aside from which, is the fact that if you think Hyouka is so fucking great the duty is yours to explain -precisely- why so I can tell you -precisely- how you're being a tasteless.
Hyouka is not popular with any demographic that would have any interest in anime it is based on a novel not a light novel and even moreso it was finished by the time the anime began production.
Nichijou was far too surreal and lacked any lasting "moe" traits for it;s characters for them to be latched on to(ie k-on) as a result it sold less than considerably well. Both these shows were obviously done without the pretense of selling or pandering by my definition that s a passion project. Whether or not we agree to them being good is subjective.
Their more recent anime as well i would argue were done without much pretense for money making Free! pandered for sure but even then i'd say it only meant to do so to a small market
Boundary,Tamako,Chuni and Amagi i'll give you as they definitely do all look similar but Boundary even so i would say was a definite financial gamble as it had no tangible concepts for anyone to really dig in to.
P.S i thought everything after Nichijou was shit so i'm no fanboy, just making an observation.
I never said anything about Hyouka being good or great. What I'm pointing out is that your criticism doesn't actually hold any weight. You are not actually bringing up any real logical points, just using pointless pseudo-intellectual terms that can be used when describing every single work of fiction in existence.
You're not actually saying anything meaningful. Rather, all you are doing is flaunting your vocabulary while trying to make your subjective opinions sound important. Once all of the senseless buzzwords are removed, all that's left with is a single simple idea: "I don't like it and thus it is shit".
>wanted to create a perfect world where everywhere can live with their waifu/husbando
Fuck Kishi for taking this smile from us.
Fine, you lazy shit - I'll distil and bullet what I've covered for you:
* Melodramatic delivery
* (in with the above) Takes itself too seriously for a low impact,
* Incredibly generic, as all KyoAni stuff the last couple years is
* Pacing relies too heavily on an atmosphere that goes undeveloped (mostly because KyoAni are rationing every last drop of content they can squeeze from the school setting)
* Presents itself as having more wit than it does
* Moeblob pandering in a show that parades it's own wit
* More than anything else, more so than any of the mildly regrettable points I've mentioned above: what's actually exasperating is the fact that you can't even mention any of these criticisms without the Hyouka defence force (that's you) coming to the rescue.
Additionally, 'buzzword' and 'pseudo-intellectual' are buzzwords and weasel words themselves. You do realise this, yes? Of course you do.
And if my manner of speech is odd to you, it's because English is only the fourth or fifth most common first language here. I may talk oddly, but I don't spout shit.
This all really boils down to the fact your biggest complaint is that it has a fan base.
Be honest here friend. You thought the show was average maybe even just a bit below but you do not hate it what you hate is the fanbase you have attached to it.
>"I was ordered to serve you MC"
>"Really, even things at night? Ok come here"
Damn, he was alpha as fuck.
Everything between Minus and Election Arc was 10/10 tier, faggot. You will never see an arc as good as the Election in any manga again, never ever. You should go read some generic shounens forever because you cannot into decent writing.
Zoro and Usopp are the only reason why I'm still reading One Piece.
>This all really boils down to the fact your biggest complaint is that it has a fan base.
Wow! So you can read exactly what I've been saying after all!
Well since you portray yourself this way surely you know you are merely running in circles and doomed to be angry all the time. There honestly is no point in you posting in threads like these if you are going just going to troll around. Really you only set yourself up for disappointment by arguing with people in such a state because you will always lose and always leave more angry than the person you are arguing against.
Please, tell me more about how miserable I must be, how much more valuable your expression is than mine. You're doing righteous work.
>what's actually exasperating is the fact that you can't even mention any of these criticisms without the Hyouka defence force (that's you) coming to the rescue.
Not even seen this series but what do you expect? On the other end of the scale there's people who'd go "I can't even praise it without some sperg throwing shit (that's you)"
You voice your opinions, expect others to do the same.