Is hunterxhunter the shittiest thing to happen to anime or am I not getting it?
You're not the only one.
I tried getting into the manga knowing that it's supposed to get good at the point when they go to the tournament to earn some money but it was still incredibly boring and predictable.
I guess to a certain extent the characters are interesting but I wouldn't say stellar in comparison to a lot of the anime out there. What I dont understand is how people become obsessive over a mediocre anime.
That wasn't the question. I want to know what stories you've been reading/watching that make HxH predictable for you. Or do you just have an innate ability to predict everything?
Characters that either you can identify or emphasize with. The first anime that comes to mind is Welcome to the NHK. Despite the slow points within it the characters simply make it enjoyable. Where as an anime like hxh probably only uses action to keep people entertained. I see no depth
so are those few good episodes enough to have people become mouth breaking fucktards over it? almost everyone I know that watches the anime thinks its one of the most profound and amazing animes out there.
>What I dont understand is how people become obsessive over a mediocre anime.
And HxH is your first target? There aren't more popular shit anime that people obsess over? Like naruto or something
>preferring the manga when the anime has full color, madhouses's smooth as hell animation, great voice acting, and a soundtrack
well if you had someone post about the flaws in some of the most popular anime out there all I could imagine is the massive shit talking I'd get on a board like this >>123572756
Because the show's pacing and editing don't hold a candle to Togashi's impeccable storytelling. What you're doing here is pushing for superficial crap. Also it's hilarious how Madhouse flipping the panels was their best attempt at being creative.
>madhouses's smooth as hell animation
That's when there is animation. Which means pretty much never.
Maybe you shouldn't get so worked up by someone not liking your favorite manga.
But fine whatever.
Berserk, Onepunch man and Vagabond to some extent, I didn't find predictable at all.
From top of my head, yes.
I'd say Prison School also but that's maybe because it's the first manga of that style that I've read so I don't know if it's predictable to someone that has read similar stuff.
>when the manga literally revolves around one punch line being repeated over and over
Come on nigger
Berserk became really boring after the tower of conviction, only a few plot points aren't predictable as fuck
Onepunch man is pretty entertaining, but after the 50th joke about Saitama being overpowered as fuck it becomes a bit less interesting
>hxh is full of stills
i wonder who started this meme? When your show has 148 episodes, there will be some stills here and there. But for the most part it's 90% above average animation. I remember watching the gon vs hisoka fight and there was like 7 straight minutes of well choreographed, smoothly animated, fighting. You just don't get that kind of shit with other action anime.
they adapted that shit panel for panel pretty much, blame togashi if you need to
There's only like ten or so episodes in chimera ant arc with slow pacing, and they were still good episodes because of the tense atmosphere and how the characters analyzed the stressful situations they were in
>they adapted that shit panel for panel pretty much
That's the problem, retard. There's nothing to blame Togashi for. Things that worked in manga form, don't always work in anime form. Whoever adapts it should know this.
>There's only like ten or so episodes in chimera ant arc with slow pacing
People always assume I'm talking about the Chimera Ant arc, I don't know if that says more about them or me.
Anyway, I'm mostly talking about the beginning, actually. Which the 2011 version fucked royaly. They stretched single chapters out to full episodes, added shit that wasn't even there or was just glanced over in the manga because no one cared. They also fucked up in establishing Kite.
Nice tumblr gif, by the way, retard. Really shows off the rare quality animation 2011 version had.
It's a shitty dragon ball ripoff. No one gave a shit about it back when it aired in 1999. Only now it's getting a spotlight and that's because everything else that currently running is shittier than it.
They really made some some scenes longer than they needed to be. Like Canary meeting Killua and Gon falling into despair. Both of those were just one page. Also, Gon took too long to transform.
>there will be some stills here and there
>for the most part it's 90% above average animation
You do realize the show is incredibly unanimated and all the "examples" of good animation like the ubogin fight or Hisoka fight are complete exceptions right?
>You just don't get that kind of shit with other action anime
You need to lurk more.
>7 straight minutes
Definitely not the shittiest but one that causes the most suffering, for sure. I just want Togashi to stop being a lazy shit and start working. And no the 'muh back pain' doesn't work on me.
I'm still mad that an insignificant scene like Killua throwing pie at Gon was well-animated but Meruem vs Netero was a slideshow of manga panels and Komugi embracing Meruem was just a manga panel paste
Uhh... The manga gets good AFTER the tournament. Until that point it's just ok-good tier shounen, at least in my opinion. The York New arc is where it really begins to shine. Greed Island drops a bit but still has some nice moments (dodgeball, Bomber match )and CA arc is the outstanding one, where things really get fucked up.
You dropped it before it really even started.
No, it gets good during the exam.
The nen exposition in Heavens Arena is a low point, but then it gets better again until the beginning of the Ant arc, which is probably the lowest point of the series. It recovers wonderfully and now we've just gotten into the most hype arc yet.
Why do you think CA is good? It has worse writing than bleach. Nothing that happens in it is entertaining or satisfactory. The story feels like it's changing direction with every episode.
I just started watching the original anime after reading up through the arc where they rescue Kilula.
Only 2 episodes in, what is all this filler shit, half this shit didn't even happen, filler characters, filler situations, I thought you guys said 1999 anime was better.
>seing netero serious for the first time against meruem wasn't satisfactory
yeah ok the way he decided to conclude it was pretty shit but still, there was a fight
>killua going ssj2
>gon wrecking pitou
yes it's bullshit but if it wasn't entertaining then you're either lying or retarded
not that anon by the way
It is better, in terms of direction, lighting and coloring. Furuhashi actually tries to explore the possibilities of the medium to tell stories instead of pasting panels. If you don't care about that then don't bother.
The nuke had been foreshadowed multiple times and it made sense that they would try to nuke him you fucking retard
Also it was pretty interesting to think that Meruem never actually stood a chance since he could have been nuked into oblivion if he ever tried something
>Furuhashi actually tries to explore the possibilities of the medium to tell stories instead of pasting panels
And he also gave us this masterpiece
No, Milluki talking about a bomb for a panel isn't foreshadowing, he even details it but it has nothing to do with the rose
can you point me to exactly where it's foreshadowed multiple times?
It's mentionned several times that they wouldn't be able to win against the ants in a straight up fight, so we already knew he was going to use some time of underhanded method to defeat the King.
Netero also said that he'd have to sacrifice someone to accomplish the mission and that the area they were in was for testing weapons of war. At that point you could have put some pieces together.
>probably only uses action to keep people entertained
So confirmed for not having watched it but still criticizing things you assume the series does?
Because absolutely none of the fights were ever just "lol action".
>worse writing than bleach
You simply have a shit taste.
Entertaining or satisfactory? So you were looking for some sort of funny adventure and happy ending or something? I enjoyed it for amazing storytelling and interesting characters. The development of Gon and Killua, the sense of suspense and actions of the characters, unpredictable turns of events... I used to look down on shounen manga on general, but HxH, especially CA convinced me otherwise.
Then again, this is probably a bait and replying makes me just seem that much dumper.
Anon what filler are you talking about?
Only the second episode has filler, most of the first episode was shit that 2011 skipped, and even then they don't have any filler characters.
They really did make him too 'cute', but it's to the point where it's not as endearing.
He was cute in the manga, but both of the anime didn't capture that side of him too well.
>can you point me to exactly where it's foreshadowed multiple times?
pic related is one
The '99 version manages to outdo the '11 version despite being very broadly similar and using outdated technology. Hisoka feels much more in control, and the eventual beatdown is a lot more satisfying
what? where? are we watching the same series. The CA is an ugly piece of writing that even the writer gave up on. Those long hiatuses happened for a reason, you know. It tries to be 2deep4u and fails miserably. Togashi tried to tackle themes that he himself don't know how to handle.
>unpredictable turns of events
Yea that one is true, even Togashi didn't know what was coming next.
>Sense of suspense and action
No, I didn't care about any of the heroes or the villains or the million other shitty animal character that was introduced and had nothing of value. The fights were anticlimactic as hell.
In the anime, whatever sense there may have been, was buried deep under the constants slow mos and pauses while a narrator tells what just happened in front of you.
You know dark and edgy doesn't mean it's mature or deep.
>themes that he himself don't know how to handle
What are you talking about?
It wasn't that deep, it was just showing the lines between the humans and ants being blurred, and individuality vs collectivity (Netero killing himself to save the rest of humanity/ Meruem giving up on his species to spend his last moments with the one person he loved is the most evident exemple)
There's no morals in the story, you just read it like a novel or something and that's part of what makes it good storytelling, he wasn't trying to shove a message somewhere
If this is 2deep4u, dark or edgy then i don't know what you watch
>I didn't care about any of the heroes or the villains
Why did you even watch it then? If you don't care about the story then you're not going to enjoy it
>whatever sense there may have been, was buried deep under the constants slow mos and pauses while a narrator tells what just happened in front of you
This didn't happen that much, there was maybe 5 times where it was really noticeable in the 60 episodes, and when it happened it was generally to introduce inner monologue or explaining details that we couldn't know otherwise
I feel like this bait never changes, everytime someone explains it and everytime someone says the same stupid shit again
2011 version had its honeymoon period after it started adapting CA, and even the hype from that was not enough to quell the criticism, but since it ended a while ago we're back to bashing the shitty direction full force.
The direction is definitely worse than FMA:B, what are you talking about? Brotherhood was close to perfection from start to finish.
OP, sure. But no one considers OP a good anime.
What are you talking about Brotherhood had huge flaws.
>Whatever faults Brotherhood had originated from its source material
People get insanely nitpicky over popular, well received series. I'm bored of seeing people have to explain to morons why HxH is considered good when it's obvious they just have elevated expectations + different/bad taste.
While I wouldn't say it's the shittiest thing to happen to anime, it made me realize just how few shounen series the western anime community is actually familiar with considering how people treat the series at times.
>it was as good an adaption as we could have possibly gotten
>mfw I saw the original 1999 anime way back in 6th grade
Why the fuck did they make another anime adaptation in 2011 when they could've easily just concluded Greed Island and then move onto the Chimera saga?
I was a huge HxH fan back in 2001, but after 14 years, it's starting to get stale on me.
There was a 10 year gap, it would've been impossible to draw in so many new fans if it started halfway through based on an anime from a decade ago. And people who are already fans probably needed a refresher.
It doesn't take much skill to color a manga panel anon. That's the problem with the 2011 adaptation, some things that work well in manga format don't work well in animated format and vice versa.
I have love/hate relationship with hunter x hunter . There are some great moments and arcs. The plot is all over the place. Feel like it was written on the fly. Author would start something, then changes his mind completely the next. Hunter x Hunter is a story about Gon and Kiluea, the blonde guy and the guy with glasses are minor characters
Yet Japan made more movies for DBZ in the past 5 years...
I rarely watch anime nowadays. I don't have much time, but back in 2011, I was taking a break from exams and noticed that Hunter x Hunter was returning. Of course, I was disappointed as fuck that it was a reboot and it'd go all the way back to Square One.
I haven't even read the manga since Killua got his Hunter license.
Speaking of manga panels, why didn't they include Pitou's perspective while she was trying to intimidate Gon and Killua? During the moment she asked for Gon's name again and then remembered him from back then.
>Only the second episode has filler
Is this a meme? I'm up to episode 20 and just about every other episode is filler.
This gif is from a filler episode where a girl tries to avenger her father by killing Killua, demonstrating the fact that Killua is indeed a master edgelord.
There was the dumb filler in the first exam where the fought a tentacle monster of illusions or some shit.
Then there were the boat island episodes, which were actually pretty cool, but somehow seemed out of place in HxH.
Agreed. People have massive cognitive dissonance over the CA arc. They invested so much time they feel compelled to act as if it's good.
No doubt there are some good episodes and scenes in that arc, but it could have easily been cut by 65% and still remained the same. We didn't need episode after episode of people standing around while the narrator explains elaborate bullshit only to have those actions not even end up mattering.
It's a character driven show, but why the FUCK am I supposed to care about Shoot, Ikalgo, Knuckle, or Palm? It just feels so wasted. Like it could have done done differently, but it falls flat.
I still really like the show, but it just bums me out how shitty the pacing got sometimes.
Manga-Only fans being like
Shut the fuck up. 2011 is a pretty solid adaptation for a great manga, now if you don't like it then shut the fuck up and watch another thing.
tfw Togashi will never finish the Dark Continent arc
It might have dragged on in the middle, but I was more entertained by Ueki than HxH. And at least we got a proper conclusion in the original series.
Too bad Law of Ueki Plus was axed.
I thought the pacing was slow at times but there's no 'compulsion' to act like it was good, it fucked with me emotionally and by the end every slow moment felt entirely worth it for the sake of building up to the climax.
>why the FUCK am I supposed to care about Shoot, Ikalgo, Knuckle, or Palm?
I started that arc thinking there were too many new characters and there was no way I would give a fuck about any of them, but I somehow ended up caring about every single one of them.
You might just not be the type to get emotionally invested in characters but plenty are and that's why the CA arc is so highly regarded by so many people.
The only thing I agree on is pariston. He's such a qt in the manga. Anime made his face too long.
I'll admit I got somewhat attached to all of them. Except shoot. Fuck Shoot. Fucking does nothing, sees Gon running up the stairs and is suddenly filled with the conviction to do a bunch of fucking pirouettes on a flying fist.
>those dead, doll-like eyes.
Can we all agree that Knov was the worst character introduced the the Chimera arc? He gets one glimpse of Pouf's aura, pisses himself, and fucks off for the rest of the arc to be an ugly old man.
Not only did that make Knov a shitty character, it also felt really weird. Like Togashi didn't want to deal with him anymore now that he had used him to establish a way into the palace.
He's more a plot device than a character. Weak.
The chairman used to pound his ass every night.
I just marathoned the entire 148 episodes and read the manga chapters that follow. Apart from some obvious pacing issues in the Chimera ant arc I thought it was pretty great. Seems like one of those rare cases where a manga is carried mostly by its writing. There was constantly stuff that I didn't expect in a shonen manga.
What I like the most is the setting, and I can totally see why people are saying Falcom's latest Legend of Heroes ripped HxH off. There are so many similarities it isn't even funny. Too bad only one game is translated.
After watching HxH I think I'm willing to give either OP or FMA:B a chance. I take it both of those are worth watching if you liked HxH? I'm just hoping neither of them are extremely cliched and predictable.
The infiltration to the palace to set the portals was some pretty heavy shit. That alone made him pretty great in my book. I'd say almost every character gets their moment and in almost all cases it isn't what you would expect.
If that was the case the easier and more entertaining solution for the reader would have been killing him off in as shocking way as possible.
it was a shame too, his power was really cool and useful.
>I take it both of those are worth watching if you liked HxH?
If you really want to watch the OP anime then watch until the end of Enies Lobby. Then switch to the manga. The anime pacing gets unbearable and the animation and drawings are shit 90% of the time.
So, you think HxH lazy all over the place plot can compare to either of those? Or ANYTHING can compare to Oda's world building?
You think Gon and Sasuke 2.0 can compare to any manga's characters?
OP has one of the most unlikeable cast of characters I've ever seen, the plot is tossup(HxH is better written but OP actually has an overarching plot, kind of), and the world building does go to OP since HxH doesn't really bother with it
Watch the original FMA first. Then read the manga, then watch brotherhood. Brotherhood rushes past the first few arcs because 2003 already covered it. 2003 also had a better soundtrack and, arguably, better atmosphere and character designs. However, if you watch brotherhood or read the manga first you may find it hard to enjoy the first FMA once it departs from the manga storyline.
>I take it both of those are worth watching if you liked HxH? I'm just hoping neither of them are extremely cliched and predictable.
Both are worth reading, and FMA:B worth watching. But if the thing you like about HxH is how unpredictable it can be (same as me), I wouldn't go into them expecting more of the same. OP can extremely formulaic and the arcs follow pretty set patterns. FMA is polished and tightly written, not necessarily surprising.
>I'm just hoping neither of them are extremely cliched and predictable.
Inb4 a bunch of bait shit because >muh shounen.
As someone who's watched FMA:B and read OP.
They're worth your time, while staying slightly predictable. Though, you should expect that because these are aimed at the teenage demo and are usually that way to pander to the most amount of people possible.
FMA:B is only 50 episodes. Short and sweet in the scope of popular shounen. If you had time to watch HxH you have time to watch this. Pack it away in a couple nights and I'm sure you'll enjoy yourself. If you enjoy the world and characters there is other FMA media for you to consume.
>>123591135 I would not reccomend this. You don't need the full package. You just want to dip your feet in and see if you'll enjoy it.
OP: I tried to watch the anime but frankly found the starting bit abysmal. The fact that it's so dated doesn't help either. It starts off as small budget shounen and doesn't shy away from that fact. I'd just read the manga. There's a lot to take in and it goes by quicker when your reading. Considering the pacing and portraying OP in this medium is better anyways, its more worth your time.
Literally all obnoxious joke characters. Sanji is pretty close too. Nami and Nico Robin are kinda ok but not really charismatic. Zoro is cool. Luffy is likeable too, but that's because he's like 90% Goku.
There are two things that are true about hunterxhunter.
First it is a bad anime when you compare it to superior action shows, look at the hellsing OVA. Regardless of whether you like Alucard you have to admit his fight scenes are superior because the budget is so damn high. OVAs and movies will contain the best action anime for this reas.
Second within it's own narrow category, tv action shows, it isn't that bad. The characters are interesting, the homolust is godly, and the coloring is nice. It's nowhere near as satisfying as something like Kenshrio, Claymore, or even one of the better Dragon Ball arches though.
It's not a terrible show. A solid 3/5
I don't know anon, sometimes I prefer this than discussions about the Gender of the characters and Gon X Killua relationship.
Did you even read OP's post?
There's a big difference between legitimate critique and calling something 'the shittiest thing to happen to anime', which is so stupidly hyperbolic that it can be nothing but bait.
That's true. Also nice trips.
For a legitimate criticism, how do people feel about the ending of the Greed Island arc? I think that I enjoy that arc more than the average fan, but I find the end to be really anticlimactic. I just don't think Genthru is an exciting or even particularly menacing villain. He's almost an afterthought. It's a shame because I think with a few tweaks it could have been so much better.
>If you like battle shounen and don't enjoy both One Piece and Hunter x Hunter
>I told you to end your life
No you didn't and I told you take your own advice faggot do the world a flavor.
The characters ARE one dimensional though and very boring.
Like real talk. Someone explain why Kilua likes Gon so much and wants to be friends with him. Vice Versa for Gon and Kiliua.
The ones liking the old one provided no argument either as there is none so can't blame them. I'm willing to accept that some people just have shit taste and like older anime simply for ego.
Not that all older anime is bad. hxh wasn't bad either, but 2011 is clearly better.
>b-b-but still no argument!
I thought Genthru would have been on Gon's level since he looked like such a faggot with that chin and robe, so it kind of surprised me that he was actually pretty strong.
I don't think it was an anticlimactic ending, we got a big fight and it was pretty great. He and his cronies didn't need to die for it to be a satisfying end, they still lost.
You're right about Genthru though, he's easily the worst villain in the series and it's disappointing. I agree that it could've been a lot better if it was changed a bit.
Because Killua had no friends in his childhood and Gon is the first person his age he'd met outside his home, same with Gon. Other than that they're just kids who have fun and experience things together. Killua thinks the sun shines out of Gon's ass because of it and has become dependant on him since he didn't have any goals of his own (until Alluka), and Gon takes Killua for granted.
Seriously if you're going to pick shallow characterization, how the fuck can you choose them considering how much their relationship develops over time? Their relationship drama in CA arc was heavy as fuck.
Yeah, I didn't mean I wanted Genthru to die. I just wanted him to be more interesting. It just felt like they beat Razor and collected all these cards and were like "Oh yeah, now we have to deal with THIS jackass too."
>characters are one dimensional
>almost every character goes through some kind of development during the series, even secondary ones like Shoot or Palm
Killua likes Gon because he's the first person to not give a shit about him being from a family of serial murderers
Gon would make friends with pretty much anyone, he just gets along really well with Killua because they're the same age and their personalities fit well
>Killua never bothers to tell Gon how he feels about him
Well, he did express his frustration and anger to his comatose body. Maybe he'll pull a Shinji next time.
>Madhous adaptation is bad
I love this meme
Yea yea you can't outdo the source material but really anyone that say 11 is a bad adaptation has mental issues
They are both great, 99 may even look better here, but fuck all if it was anywhere else
There's a better use of angles(e.g. in the feint and pic related), in the first part of the fight 1999's Hisoka makes shorter, more economical movements compared to 2011's wide dodging, which makes him seem more in control of the fight and much more powerful(e.g. when he's swatting away the stones), it shows more closeups on the character's faces, which helps contextualizing the fight(e.g. when Hisoka gets his ass whooped while the 11's prefers to show us gone repeatedly beating a shit load of sweat off him), the final beatdown is a lot more dynamic and interesting to watch
Just because you're too autistic to understand character motivations and emotions doesn't make something poorly written. You can't expect characters to monologue their feelings and motivations to the audience. That's generally something that people don't like to see. It's called show, don't tell.
I think you're the one with mental issues.
It seems like there are an equal number of people who each support the 1999 show, the 2011 show or the manga, and they call all other versions garbage.
Makes it really hard to know where to start with this franchise for an interested newcomer.
Probably the manga
If you want to start with the anime, you should probably watch the 99 version first up to the end of the Yorknew arc then switch to the 2011 one
Or at least watch the first episode of the 99 version before Madhouse's, they skip an important character's introduction for some reason
All 3 versions have their pros and their cons though
What motivations in FMA?
I agree with you on OP but something tells me your powerlevel is comparable to casuals on tumblr.
Just be honest and admit you have only watched 5 anime.
I'm betting your one of those people that doesn't understand why Killua was so upset in this scene, too.
You probably have watched a lot more anime than I have. Most people in this thread probably have.
And that's exactly why I'm so pissed after wasting time on watching through Hunter x Hunter.
Because I normally only watch the best animes. Such as
Attack on Titan
Pika's rage is more apparent in the 1999 version. I am a fan of how 2011 switches to high contrast black and white during dramatic scenes, though.
They're honestly all pretty good. Just depends on your preferences and what's convenient for you.
>Manga if you prefer reading manga in general and want the most accurate version (1999 has some filler and 2011 rearranges scenes/leaves out involving an important character)
>1999 then switch to 2011 if you're fussy about visual and sound directing
>2011 if you don't want any filler and would prefer a holistic/consistent experience rather than downloading two versions of a series you may not even end up liking
wow my technicolor animaymay. actually the color palette is really poorly done especially when 1999 did it right.
>smooth as hell animation
there's maybe one episode worth of half decent animation
>great voice acting
>and a soundtrack
i like how you didn't even try to claim it's a good soundtrack, because in this case no music would've been better than the pile of shit they composed.
1999 is a good adaptation, 2011 is garbage.
I can understand any of those points except about the voice acting. Megumi Han did a stand out job during the CA arc and in general there's no weak points to the voice acting.
This fucking tune. Every goddamn time.
The original anime is better because of the filler. You actually get a sense that the characters have a history that matters, unlike the way they otherwise get shoved in your face with a bunch of exposition.
I'm sick of seeing all this hate on Hunter x Hunter. Everyone just says "it's bad" or "it sucks"
If you really have legitimate problems with HxH then at least say what they are in a well thought out manner.
>In before you can't because HxH is actually one of the best shounen right now.
Would it be better to say because the director doesn't realize that when you have the scene play out in animated format then it doesn't need any narration? In other words what works for a manga or may not work when its animated and vice versa.
The best critiques always come from fans of the series. People who post stupid threads like this rarely have anything interesting to say about it, just that they didn't like it.
I think it fits more than the 2011 soundtrack which is too flashy. The 1999 one is more mysterious and feels like adventure. Obviously I am used to it since I watched that series first. Maybe it makes more sense if you watch the series and understand how it feels differently from 2011.
True, but they could have cut a lot of what the narrator said. In the manga it was fine since you can read faster, but it was a slow grind in the anime. Plus, they cut nice parts like the timer at the start of the invasion, there's no excuse for the choices in that direction other than they wanted to save money by lengthening it.
I didn't like it. Felt too average. Especially hated octopus's voice.
Exotic is a good term. And 2011 soundtrack, especially at the start, feels kind of synthetic in comparison. I still remember the threads when everyone was whining about the bad soundtrack (Hisoka's theme in the Hunter exam especially) and I wonder if people today really think it is good.
I thought he needed to sound more imposing or menacing, the VA sounded too bored even when he was meant to sound intimidating.
Never, because I'll be the one doing butt stuff to Killua.
Overused is key.
songs on the soundtrack that reused that melody:
>Hisoka's theme in the Hunter exam especially
Fuck that is a great song. My feelings about the OST of 1999 and 2011 aren't as strong as some people here, but I thought that song was excellent.
More like that horrible timing of every track. The soundtrack in the first few arcs was fucking awful. Imagine Chimera Ant if they hadn't spent nearly a hundred episodes practicing Directing 101.
Actually if I recall Hisoka's theme was more "controversial", most people thought it was shit but some liked it. I was neutral initially but it really didn't fit him or the scenes where it was played. He seemed less threatening than he should have because of it.
> was neutral initially but it really didn't fit him or the scenes where it was played. He seemed less threatening than he should have because of it.
I can definitely see that. It's too bad because it really isn't a decent song, but maybe wasn't the best choice given the circumstances.
The day will surely come anon, surely. At least I will be here waiting with you for as long as it takes.
Ok then, I'll have a go. The biggest problem with the series is how much it relies on elaborating on a given situation to an excessive degree, having the characters come up with some kind of 'clever' solution to the issue that either makes no sense, comes out of nowhere or contradicts some previously established idea and then explaining the solution to make out like it's smart even if what happened was completely arbitrary. Having Gon, say, win a fight by enduring hits, purely because his opponent never did anything that would have crippled him without killing him, which would have actually fucked him over, is a really stupid idea, but it's made out to work for some reason. Most things in the show are like this, and the things that do make sense generally do so only because the systems set up are so open ended that they potentially enable pretty much anything, and so cease to be interesting. I'd say that the pretentiousness of this actually makes it dumber than most shounen, which at least don't pretend to be particularly smart in the first place.
The few things it does that might actually be called subversive "for a shounen" were flatly done much better in his wife's series anyway.
Muscular 15-year old Gon and Killua wearing panties and slutting all over the place
Went to shit after pic related in my opinion. Show got SO FUCKING SLOWWW, hours and hours and HOURS of exposition by the narrator and wasted time on pointless chimera ant characters like giant blue beatle fuck. I stopped when the arc ended, it fucking ruined me. Meruem fight wasn't even that interesting in my opinion.
Meruem and Komugi greatest love story ever told though
>Having Gon, say, win a fight by enduring hits, purely because his opponent never did anything that would have crippled him without killing him, which would have actually fucked him over, is a really stupid idea
Hanzo had a choice between crippling a little kid he liked and making a bunch of enemies, and taking his chances with some of the other fighters he was clearly much better than. It makes perfect sense.
>having the characters come up with some kind of 'clever' solution to the issue that either makes no sense, comes out of nowhere or contradicts some previously established idea and then explaining the solution to make out like it's smart even if what happened was completely arbitrary
I'm curious, what are you thinking of here?
>tfw 3 straight weeks of running from the stairs
I'll definitely say that while I like the show, I disagree with a lot of fans that think that Nen is a well designed system. Honestly at first it's kind of okay, but ultimately just becomes a way to come up with gimmicky powers. That's fine because it's a battle shonen with special powers and some of the powers are really cool.
But all the bullshit about different types of nen users and different techniques end up becoming pretty pointless because each new ability is just some crazy bullshit that Togashi thought up. Nen has "rules", but honestly it's just whatever it needs to be at any given point.
That's what I think's good about it, that it allows for plenty of creativity while still having defined rules. Compare it to say, devil fruits or stands, which are basically just whatever power the mangaka can come up with, nen is still far more systematic and can be explained.
They really didn't do some expressions justice.
>Overrated x Overrated
The fanboys hype it up to be this brilliant shonen when in reality all it does is pander to plenty of shonen cliches. They think it's 'deep' because they've never read a book before in their life.
Just the fact that Togashi has the nerve to disrespect and insult his fans with his frequent hiatuses alone should take Hunter x Hunter off of GOAT anime/manga list instantly.
Any sort of special power based on some ineffable "life force energy" is going to ultimately be bullshit, so I guess it's pointless so nitpick over it.
Why is APR only 10% every 10 seconds? Why is it only effective within 100 meters? Why does it force zetsu for 30 days? How is that shit even determined? It doesn't really matter because it works out, but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Could Knuckle have made it 10% every 5 seconds if he reduced the range to 25 meters? Or if he reduced the zetsu duration to only 10 minutes? Ultimately it doesn't matter because it's a neat power that creates interesting situations, but it's still all fairly arbitrary.
Would you say the same for Berserk? Stop being a faggot, the author's work schedule has nothing to do with the work at all. I don't feel disrespected by someone avoiding overwork and health issues.
And nobody is comparing HxH to actual literature, just other battle shounen, and I don't think you understand what 'pander' means if you're using it as if shounen cliches are the audience and he's trying to appease them.
I agree that it has its positive sides, especially compared to something like devil fruits like you mentioned.
I like stands better though because they are just absolute bullshit no matter what, but it's portrayed that way from the get go. I guess it's a matter of preference because I can't really justify why I find stands more appealing than Nen and both more appealing than devil fruits.
Well, nen abilities usually fit the personality of their user so it helps understand things a bit more
Knuckle doesn't like to kill and is good at running away, therefore his ability has a bit of range and doesn't cause real damage
This would have been great if it was specifically elaborated on as the reasoning behind this. Since it doesn't, and the reasoning behind tons of stuff in the series is so frequently incomplete, I have to reason to believe that it was actually that well thought out. It constantly brings up various intelligent ideas that it's author likes the sound of, but then fails to properly take advantage of them.
I'm surprised that you don't see most of the series as plainly being like this. Stuff like assuming a snake master would have antidote on him in the context of a tournament, and not considering the possibility of him having built up an immunity to the poison or some other weird trick entirely. Assuming that a question with no apparently clear answer must be a trick and that the correct thing to do is to not bother answering, even when the previous person to run through it was told that they must answer one way or the other and that they passed the test when they did answer, is also arbitrary and has no real logic to it.
>not considering the possibility of him having built up an immunity to the poison or some other weird trick entirely
They stated themselves that they assumed he had it as a tool of negociation if one of his snakes bit someone, not for himself
>they must answer one way or the other and that they passed the test when they did answer
Well this one's a bit trickier, she said "any other answer won't be accepted", and the guy that passed was never told he passed the test, and Kurapika heard him screaming (this wasn't told in the 2011 anime for some reason) so he figured out he didn't actually pass
I understand your point though, but most of it isn't as arbitrary as you think
Shit working out for the characters even though it possibly couldn't in real life isn't exactly exclusive to HxH. If things didn't go well for the MCs in bad situations stories just couldn't happen.
Also I think you need to rewatch the exam scene, because they weren't told they passed, they were just allowed through. And they were allowed to not answer. That was a really obvious trick, anyone could've got it.
Imagine things not working out for the main character
>Gon can't manage to catch Lord of the Lake
>Stays on whale island
>Doesn't become a hunter
>Gets a splinter in the forest
>Gon dies at age 14
>Killua never meets his light and savior
>doesn't get rescued when illumi takes him back
>never gets the balls to save Alluka
>Stuff like assuming a snake master would have antidote on him in the context of a tournament
If you're carrying a bunch of poisonous snakes and expect to interact with people, carrying antidote on you is common sense, unless you're some kind of cackling villain
>(this wasn't told in the 2011 anime for some reason)
>That was a really obvious trick, anyone could've got it.
It's not obvious that the question wasn't some kind of riddle of the Sphinx metaphor that relied on some other form of context. Keep in mind that I'm not claiming all the solutions are flatly wrong, simply that the reasoning behind them is made out to be far more sound than it actually is the vast majority of the time, which ends up being very wasteful and ton of exposition time is wasted on shit that doesn't matter. The result is usually exceedingly boring or just plain stupid.
It's not wrong to make that kind of conjecture at all, it's just the way the characters are made out to be so confident in their thought process that makes most of the scenarios so bizarre, especially when the viewer can only follow along with what they are told. Elaborating on stuff like weighted decisions with the candles/RPS, only for it to just not matter is exactly in line with how typically lame the scenarios in the series are. It's difficult to be reasonable and logical when there's every reason for flat out weird shit to happen, based wholely on Togashi's discretion.
What did you think after she asked the question, with the info provided by Kurapika? It obviously wasn't a regular question so there had to be some sort of trick to it, it was part of the exam after all
Even the reasoning behind it is sort of weird, remember that this is the first arc of the series and probably the most generic one
>the characters are made out to be so confident in their thought process
During the snake part, only Gon was confident and it turns out some 300 chapters later that he's fucking nuts and that it has been hinted at a lot of times, including that one
The candle thing mattered, he couldn't just run to the guy to kill his flame because the stage they were in was really high and there was a lot of wind, he only could do it once the gunpowder/oil kicked in since it made the flame a lot stronger and couldn't be killed as easily
Though i agree on the RPS thing, it didn't matter much since Leorio was fucking dumb anyway
Most of what you complained about is explained pretty clearly
at the end of the day hxh is an embarrassing cringefest written by a tryhard trying to be unique who ends up using the same old cliches
i had to stop at this part bc i'm a fucking pussy. couldn't handle that jajaken charge up
Fuck off, shotas should stay shotas forever. You normies already have countless anime with teenage protagonists and you still have to try and bend everything to match your tastes. Do have any idea how frustrating it is when you can only find shotas in shitty commercial kiddy anime? Seeing aged up art makes my skin crawl and imaging Killua and Gon growing up is enough to make me vomit.
I like both faggot chill out
Also did you guys ever notice:
Gon and Killua's auras affect water in a glass, so does that mean bodily fluids inside of them are affected?
So Killua's cum is all sweet and tasty and Gon cums bucket loads
>What did you think after she asked the question, with the info provided by Kurapika? It obviously wasn't a regular question so there had to be some sort of trick to it, it was part of the exam after all
I certainly don't disagree, but given the information provided, it's really stretching it. I'm just watching through the scene in the 2011 version again, and the way the scenario is presented, there is no way that a viewer could be expected to come up with the 'correct' answer, since the option of not answering and instead choosing a different path is in no way hinted at or even clued in as a possibility and the woman states that not only will a response disqualify you, but that '1' and '2' are the only acceptable responses. The problem is that the solution still only makes sense after the fact and there's nothing to rule it out as also being wrong. There is absolutely nothing logical about the solution given they couldn't rule out some other kind of reasoning. Leorio even specifically decides to do the 'correct' thing mid way through and is threatened with being disqualified, while Kurapika is then decided to have done it the 'right' way, which absolutely cements the whole scenario being bullshit. It's based on a stupid technicality of 'the real answer being silence' which makes no fucking sense given what had already been presented.
>Just the fact that Togashi has the nerve to disrespect and insult his fans with his frequent hiatuses alone should take Hunter x Hunter off of GOAT anime/manga list instantly.
And why would that be? Because ad hominem?
>Why is APR only 10% every 10 seconds? Why is it only effective within 100 meters? Why does it force zetsu for 30 days?
Because that's how Knuckle set it up. Why does Togashi need to explicitly state a reason? HxH is shonen, there's no point in making this shit any more complicated than it already is, what you might think to be a "flaw" is actually just your autism going ballistic.
So tell me, what would you have done? He ruled out the possibilities of answering the question with the answers given because that other guy was never told he got it right and he heard him screaming (the woman said the other path was filled with monsters and shit, so it obviously wasn't the right one), and giving another answer was out of the question since it meant being disqualified
However there was a time limit and she didn't say anything about not answering in time, therefore it was the only thing left
Try reading the manga, for some reason the 2011 anime changes some scenes, i don't remember it too well but i believe they did with this one too
Sorry, I forgot why I hated those scenes so much before and had to watch them again, then realized exactly why I hated them so much when I did and can clearly point out why they are so much bullshit.
>So tell me, what would you have done?
Me? I have no fucking clue, because the way everything was presented was a complete clusterfuck of nonsense. Having the woman deny them from going along another path and not answering, only to reveal that very thing to be technically 'right' and then revealing the alternate path anyway is just dumb. The series is filled with stupid shit like that that makes other the other characters to be less intelligent even when they did nothing more wrong. If she had disqualified Kurapika for being silent, given what she told Leorio before, what would your objection be, aside the the whole setup being ridiculous? There are relatively few places where characters actually gain victory through something that is both clever and soundly thought out.
>If she had disqualified Kurapika for being silent, given what she told Leorio before, what would your objection be, aside the the whole setup being ridiculous?
Well as i said, by elimination the only answer possible was not actually answering, so it would have been pretty stupid to let anything else be the correct thing to do/say
>The series is filled with stupid shit like that
Like when? I'm curious
This anon is clearly autistic, its pathetic alien brain lacks the ability to comprehend and reason. Jokes roll right over its head, sarcasm is apparently a nonexistent concept to them. Unless a fact is explicitly stated, it is not true, it is flawed. Hunter x Hunter is a character driven story, to it, certain actions are scene as "questionable" or "illogical" because Autismo cant interpret human reasoning. It cant see things from any characters point of view, only its. And because its view is so warped, everything comes off as nonsensical, everything happens "just because". They are incapable of understanding that everything they see is warped from autism-goggles, and that if they simply did not have autism none of these "flaws" would exist. You would be able to comprehend the characters actions instead of seeing things "as they are" and waiting for everything to be explained. All autists should simply be dragged out of their homes and shot. These subhuman freaks should never be given the chance to spread their genes. Hunter x Hunter threads are cancerous because of people like you, your brain simply will not allow you to understand the show and there isn't anything anybody can do about it. Just stay out of the threads and remain in whatever cancerous general exists for whatever anime your kind is capable of accepting.
By eliminating what? They were given no specific reason that answering either 'one' or 'two' wouldn't lead them down a correct path, so there's nothing ruling out the idea that the other guy happened to have had the 'correct' answer, but just had faulty reasoning (as Leorio pointed out). Furthermore, the woman specifically denies Leorio from seeking out the alternate path or not answering and threatens to disqualify him if he doesn't respond to the question right.
They could have done something like, have the woman just appear, leave the other path open for anyone to freely find it, have her not threaten anyone with being disqualified and simply say that not giving a right answer will not result in her letting you pass here. Then the solution would have some sort of logic to it.
>Like when? I'm curious
Show me a given scene where the characters come up with some clever solution to something. Like having the rock climber guy be eaten by a flying demon for trying to get off the tower without any indication of something like that being there, and being made to seem stupid for trying (which is the real thing that bugs me about it), then having the main cast 'cheat' later and being made to seem clever for breaking through walls and shit. I can barely think of any scenario in the series that doesn't arbitrarily glorify certain solutions over others for no specific reason, and the things it does get right are barely smarter than any other shounen.
I've read the manga and watched the anime. Yes, I read the manga first.
The anime is a near-perfect adaptation, and enhances most everything about the manga. If you disagree, you're probably a contrarian fuckhead that doesn't even know what they're trying to critique.
>Unless a fact is explicitly stated, it is not true, it is flawed.
I really don't think much of the HxH fanbase and the way you guys feel so superior to those who don't like it, but this is just so backwards I don't know what to say. It's because I'm trying to look at it from the perspective of the characters and their motivations that it makes no sense, it's because the events are so open ended and pregnant with possibilities that the way it seems to champion such highly specific solutions comes off as being silly. If you can't see how most of the reasoning behind the things working out the way they do is retroactive than I don't know what to say, HxH (the 2011 version at least, I actually quite like what I've now seen of the '90s version so far) gets away with this shit far too much.
I hate that it basically does with 'smarts' what other shounen do with powerlevels.
>there's nothing ruling out the idea that the other guy happened to have had the 'correct' answer, but just had faulty reasoning (as Leorio pointed out).
Because no reasoning could have led to a "correct" answer, trying to use reasoning would only be saying what you expect her to want to hear, therefore reasoning is useless here
>Furthermore, the woman specifically denies Leorio from seeking out the alternate path or not answering and threatens to disqualify him if he doesn't respond to the question right.
She threatens to disqualify him for walking away, not for not answering
>Show me a given scene where the characters come up with some clever solution to something
Gon waiting until Hisoka can't control himself to get a shot at getting his badge, the whole plan to get Chrollo as an hostage, the plan to defeat Genthru, Meruem figuring out a pattern or an inclination in the combinations of attacks Netero was able to use to find a flaw in his defenses, Netero and the nuke, Pariston and the election off the top of my head
>being made to seem stupid for trying (which is the real thing that bugs me about it)
When was he made to seem stupid? It seemed like the easiest way and it bite him in the ass when the exam obviously had something else planned given the 72 hours time limit
>having the main cast 'cheat' later and being made to seem clever for breaking through walls
Well i didn't really like this either, it was a bit dumb that they wouldn't have something to prevent this when they had a way to prevent people from climbing down, i see your point
But my guess is it's considered "smart" because at that point there was a lot of tension between everyone, they were all at the edge of killing each other like intended but keeping your cool in that situation and figuring out a way to make it without anyone dying/staying behind was sort of impressive or something
You're only listing things during the exam arc too, that's hardly "filled with it"
>Is hunterxhunter the shittiest thing to happen to anime or am I not getting it?
you're not getting it
>Because no reasoning could have led to a "correct" answer
How would you be sure? But you seem to be fine with Kurapika reasoning out a solution based on a highly specific interpretation of the events, yet not also considering the possibility that the puzzle was some kind of metaphor for something else that could actually be worked out with other contextual information, which would have been at least as reasonable and means there is no way to simply rule other possibilities out like that. Either way, the actual solution is something which an outside observer would have no way of being able to work out with any kind of confidence, the nature of the trick makes it so very open ended.
>Gon waiting until Hisoka can't control himself to get a shot at getting his badge
This would have been great as a spur of the moment, improvised thing, but way too much time is spent on Gon deciding this is the right course of action and planning this out beforehand.
>You're only listing things during the exam arc too, that's hardly "filled with it"
The early parts are more filled with this particular kind of silliness, that later parts are more so open that any number of things could happen and on the whole the problem is that the HxH will resolve things but spending excessive time setting up a bunch of rules, only for them to not really be necessary when all is said and done. It's so boring watching it come up with all of these apparent intellectual challenges, only for things to play out in ways that render the ideas behind them pointless or just a bunch of nonsense.
People like Sawashiro's seductive voice, but I think Yuki Kaida did the boyish impression much better.
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Anon watching 1999 for the first time reporting back in, on episode 7 now, all this filler and unnecessary changes are still pissing me off.
>Making it so Leorio gets so tired during the Hunter Exam he has to rely on Trollpa-kun then subsequently gets trolled
>rather than him just manning the fuck up and taking his clothes off
>lelelel magic tree sap
Does this shit get better or are all you 1999 guys just letting nostalgia get to you?
What's the deal with all the hiatus anyway? Not really aware what's going on with the author. I suppose I can't really expect this to ever be finished considering there hasn't even been 10 chapters released in the past few years.
>in the first part of the fight 1999's Hisoka makes shorter, more economical movements compared to 2011's wide dodging
However, the wide sweeping movements are characteristic of Hisoka as a fighter.
>the final beatdown is a lot more dynamic and interesting to watch
You have to be trolling at this point. In what way is it more dynamic?
>There's a better use of angles(e.g. in the feint and pic related)
Matter of opinion there.
the 99's has a lot better colors 2011 is way too neon, also hair animation especially on hisoka is lightyears better.
And the fact that 2011 has a lot of quality moments and very stiff animations.
"Fans" read his work for free. Who is the asshole really?
That would make sense, but when Gon goes on a date wtih Palm it says he's only 12 still (even though nearly 2 years had passed since chapter 1 at that point), so if they've aged since then they're like 13, assuming they've aged along with the rest of the world.
prove it fag
as if there aren't multiple people who want to post gon and killua showing off their cute shorts
Well the first part of my post was directed at >>123612930 but I think you can tell
Killua retook the Hunter Exam at Greed Island. That means he was 13 at that time. Then came the Ants and I am not sure how long passed, but there was a 1 year time skip in the manga at The Dark Continent Arc.
I know, I know, he should have been 13 at that point, but I'm saying that Togashi kept them 12 in spite of that. Gon was 12 at the beginning, 1+ year later he's still 12. That's the canon regardless of whether it makes sense.
I can't even criticize the 2011 adaptation without people like you saying I'm a heathen for disliking a "faithful" adaptation. Now I'm a traitor who doesn't like the TRUE HXH.
>literally as faithful as an adaptation gets
surely there have been more faithful adaptations than the one that omitted kite?
I agree that the 2011 adaptation is mostly pretty good, but...
No, the manga said he was 12 during his date with palm, which was before the transformation and more than 1 year after the first exam where he was 12
The fact that people are clinging to that one scene to denounce the entire adaptation is really telling. I agree it was a very poor move, but it was one thing.
Criticism is one thing, but calling it a piece of shit is an extreme overreaction considering the quality of most adaptations, and probably you're just doing that because you still have a nostalgiaboner for the 1999 version.
>probably because you still have a nostalgiaboner
I find it ironic when dimwits like you use the term nostalgia when you constantly desire an adaptation to stay as close to an older source material as much as possible. In that respect, you are far more nostalgic than the so-called nostalgiafags themselves.
5 scenes, IIRC
The beginning, Gon telling Killua about him in the first exam phase, Gon's conversation with Satotz that got completely changed, Gon talking about Kite in the "I'll help you find your dad until I find something I want to do" scene, and Gon showing Killua where he met Kite
also the foxbear stuff
Uh-huh. And then those who watch 2011 and praise its lack of changes and sticking to the actual older way are just being hypocrites when they call those who prefer 1999 nostalgiafags.