Just watched the first episode. This is going to be full of fujoshi pandering, right?
Considering that the novel is written by the same guy who did Legend of Galactic Heroes, I'd expect some male interaction that's purely platonic but uncomfortably close. Should have a lot of merit other than the occasional fujoshi moment though.
The tomboy is cuter though.
Gieve and Falangis do hook up? Or just Gieve has a crush on Falangies?
And who is Arslan's girl? This is a bit surprise for me, just can't imagine he end up with any girl, lol.
Arslan's dad got his waifu back?
>Or just Gieve has a crush on Falangies?
He doesn't crush on her, he just flirts with her a lot and wants to fuck her. There's more romance between Narses and Darayoon then Gieves and Falangies.
>draw a girl
>call it a boy
Why is this allowed?
Mich might act gay out of context of that scene but thats the gayest moment there is in the story thus far. Besides shinoaxyuu is being shipped hard as fuck to the point where multiple characters are on to it.
Only looked like a girl in the OP. Even then it was more of an innocent kid look.
He does but early on looks like a little kid since he was only 11 in episode 1. Edward was 15-16 in the series and obviously looks more grown up than Arslan.
I don't give a fuck but I want more of this cute boypussy, I don't even care if it goes full homo
All relationships, between males, that aren't hatred = gay and he looks like a girl according to some anons. I'm just glad I'm not like those anons.
Sorry friend, this is the age of 3DCG and fujo pandering. Get ready for 10 low polygon ships representing a whole fleet. Imagine Space Battleship Yamato 2199 tier ships but with a lower budget.
She is a girl masquerading as a boy.
Why do you think the big titty mom hate her?
It is because she is a grill and not a boy.
What a strange thing to be upset about
They’re shit compared to the old ones though.
By the way, Gieve is my wafu.
Well he’s Azeri, not Persian, though he doesn’t look that much whiter compared to many other ME'ers, like some Arabs in the Levant. There’s some pretty euro looking people in Iran but it’s not exactly Norway.
Ye, for designs I prefer the older version, but I'm sure I'll like the new anime more. The old OVA is shit, don't even pretend you were a fan of it until now, because I was always looking for threads of it in the archive since2011, you'd hardly find any mentioning of it more than twice a month.
Going to download the 6eps OVA?
How bad is it?
Did they cut out everything from the novel and rush it like hell?
What am I in for?
At least Arslan doesnt look like a girl in the OVA so thats a plus.
>implying anyone here read the novels
The old OVA is boring and shit, absolutely shit compared to LOGH for sure. Only thing it had going for it was the designs.
The new manga is much better, even though a bit less "mature" and grounded/realistic in the atmosphere.
For all the moaning about the changed designs since the announcement, you'd think that's the one and only thing that matters. May as well just look at an Amano artbook then, since the story or how it's told seems to be of minor import.
I can feel it.
I beat Tana was buttmad at the Mittermeyer/Reuenthal script reading event in i
v1 and 2 are translated fully. Google it. I think the person/group gave up after a few chapters in to v3
Akeginu is that you
Persians >>>> Shit >>>> Christian Faggots
Despite Lusitania being ancient Portugal, I'm pretty sure they're supposed to represent Arabs, with Maryam being Christians (they worship the same god but Lusitania justifies their conquest by saying they worship the wrong way)
Could be crusaders too but they never Christianised Iran so I doubt it.
>Arakawa will retire early before she catch up with the novel.
No one wants to hear the truth that the slave is a girl and Arslan doesn't look like a girl. Its a shitposting thread, every thread until episode 4 will be a shit posting thread.
Why's it always gotta be fujoshi or otaku pandering with you guys?
Can't a show just be a show made for the sake of making a good show?
>implying /a/ is monolithic
The first episode makes it look like the male MC prince is feminine and holds hands with another boy. Watching the ed before knowing what the show was about, Arslan's design made me think the show was about a girl. It looks like it has boys loving boys.
She's much more petite in the original series. Her bust is much smaller too.
>There is no such thing as a persian.
You are an idiot. Azeris in Iran are still Iranian, but Azeris in Turkey and independent Azerbaijan are Turkized over the centuries into thinking their Turkish.
That doesn't change the fact Persians are still an actual ethnicity. Nor do Armenians or Kurds have anything to do with Azeri ethnicity.
Then go complain to Amano why he didn't draw the official manga. And before you complain about her attire, this here is what current novel Falangies looks like.
So, from what you guys said, there is few romance in this. First one being, Gieve unrequited love toward Falangeis, other one being, Arslan and Slave girl from first episode. Am I correct?
That's exactly what I was responding about. Falangies attire in the Arakawa manga is almost non-existent, look closely at current Amano's version. Her midriff and chest are more covered up, its less revealing then the bondage cosplay Arakawa's version has going on.
Gieve just wants to fuck her, he isn't in love with her.
That's not Amano btw. And the outfits aren't as significantly different as you make it out to be. Either way, it's a rather large stretch to call it "retarded" like >>123666189 did.
I wanna get her pregnant.
I hope you are just ironically shitposting but in case you aren't, a few hundred thousand Arabs played little effect on a genepool of 50 million Iranians when the Sassanid Empire fell.
Either way, Azeris genetically were influenced a lot more by Turkic and Arabs where as Afghanis have more Mongolian influence in them and Azeris are generally not as fair as Persians or Lurds
They tend to be swarthier but still some are passably "white"
>Apparently the author forbade any homosexual material (doujin and fanarts) to be made about the series.
Well one would think when he admits he took estrogen for awhile to see what it was like to be a "woman". He also admitted to having to go to a mental health hospital for awhile.
I've only seen a few "white" looking Lebanese and they are only considered "Arabic" because their native tongue is Arab, more likely descendents of Roman/Greek/Persian/European colonists from late Antiquity and the Middle Ages.
I've seen plenty of pale looking Persians in comparison. Also Gulf Arabs have lots of mixing with Africans.
> Also Gulf Arabs have lots of mixing with Africans
And Yemeni girls are cute, so what does it matter really
You Parsians are too easily baited with whiteness arguments
>The artist copy pasted Kimbley
There's a limit to sameface, it's the exact same person
>Yemini girls are cute
>Parsians are too easily baited
Lustanian pls go
>>Yemini girls are cute
They are, especially
Yemen yahoodi grills
> Not digging brown girls
It's ok, I like Parsian
> Implying they weren’t made to be sexualised
I don't remember the shota being a Parsian
I checked the tag the other day and actually didn't see any bitching about whitewashing. Not doubting there's some going on but a lot less than you'd expect, I saw more complaining here. Probably because most tumblrites are just into new stuff and never watched the OVAs.
The original OVA was already drawn in such a way that the entire main cast was made up of pretty boys who could swap with the token girl of their group if they just switched clothes and hairstyles.
Well it's his fault for OK-ing the character designs. The illustrations in the novels themselves for LOGH look too normy.
Fun fact: Arslan's dad parallels Shapur the Great both in legacy and design
Yeah the drastic changes is incomparable. That said I'm not sure LOGH would have been the huge hit it is today if it had gone the same style as here on anime.
So the guy really has no right to complain. It's part of what made him money.
He's just being like Miyazaki and Tomino. The guy didn't complain when Golden Wings was being made, so personally I bet he's just saying he hates the fujos because he wants a cleaner image.
I could understand why he would hate the fujoshits for liking Reuenthal/Mittermeyer, but Reinhard/Kircheis? You can't deny there were some rather questionable moments between them in the series.
Is Cyrus the Great overrated or underrated compared to Alexander?
Cyrus lived longer and was beloved by his friends and respected by his foes. Alexander conquered more turf but overall but after he died his so-called friends tore his empire to pieces and opened the door for superior Rome to crush them all. I'd say in the long term Cyrus wins.
>The epic narrates the adventures of its protagonist Arsalan. The story begins with the Banu (lady) of Roum (also known as Constantinople, or Istanbul). Roum was conquered by European invaders, and its pregnant Banu (lady) forced to flee for her life. She becomes wedded to an Egyptian merchant and gives birth to her child, Arsalan. The merchant claims the child as his own. Eventually, of course, Arsalan learns of his royal origins and takes it in his mind to reclaim his throne.
>Turks confirmed for worst shitposters
well we are the one of the earliest ones
>One of al-Kashgari's most historically significant poems, tells of the Turko-Islamic conquest of the last of the renowned Central Asian Buddhist kingdoms, the Tocharian Kingdom of Khotan:
>We came down on them like a flood!
>We went out among their cities!
>We tore down the idol-temples,
>We shat on the Buddha's head!
The only thing Turkish is the name of Arslan, the entire story is based off an epic in the Book of Kings by Ferdowsi, paralleling to the Achaemenid/Arsacid/Sassanid time period of Pre-Islamic Iran.
Seeing as how the LNs dvelve and show the Turanic and Turks to be distinct enemy of the Pars kingdom as much as the Lustanians are, I don't think so.
Like >>123691548 said, the story in the LNs follows an expy of Pre-Islamic Persia. Only the name Arslan is of Turkish origin, and even that is debatable as there are Iranians with the name even if not of Turkish/Turkic stock.
The royal capitals of Susa, Ectabana, Parsagrade, and Persepolis are shown in the map. The LNs and overall story only loosely is inspired by the Legend of Arslan, the entire framework of the actual characters and setting is pre-Islamic Persia.
Even the main people of the protagonist, reside in Pars, the province in Iran where the majority of the Persian tribe settled before the Persian revolt against their kin, the Medians in the early 6th century.
My point being simply, this heavily about paralleling Persian history, not Turkish in the anime and novels, which loosely, are adapted partially from the Legend of Arslan.
The last great Sassanid Emperor, Khosrau II (grand son of Khosrau I the Great) aka Khosrau Parviz was considered to turn Zoroastrian Iran to Christian by marrying his favored son to a high-ranking noble christian women who was distantly related to Maurice, the Byzantine Emperor.
I don't think a fictional novel in Japan based on an ancient fictional folklore of a historical figure has to be an accurate parallel. I mean they fucking use magic.
Even Altair doesn't go 1:1, and takes huge liberties. And there is no bullshit fog summoning to make everyone magically retarded like it was still 2600 BC in ancient chinkland.
Amir Arsalan-e Namdar (Persian: امیر ارسلان نامدار) is a popular Persian legend which was narrated to Nasser al-Din Shah Qajar, the Qajar Shah of Persia in the 19th century, (though the legend itself is much older) by a storyteller named Mohammad Ali Naqib al-Mamalek (Persian: میرزا محمدعلی نقیب الممالک). Mohammad never transcribed the poem himself, but the daughter of the Shah, who also loved the tale, eventually transcribed it and preserved it for history.
The historical Alp Arslan is Turkish and a founder of a Turkish dynasty, the fictional one is 100% Persian though. The epic itself created by a Persian in fact.
Exactly. And besides the setting is ancient Persia, like I said earlier; the real Alp Arslan is a Turk, the fictional one is a Persian and the setting is not medieval times where Turks are more prominent in Near Eastern/Western Asian history.
Because the original legend was written at the height of Ottoman-Persian Aggression and aimed to rip Alp Arslan's Turkic lineage.
From a historical perspective Seljuk "Turks" were actually a mixed race of Turks and Persians.
The Legend "Amir Arsalan" also "erases" Hassan Sabbah from the tale as his branch of Shia Islam,"Isma'ilism" was a controversial topic for Shia Persians at the time. Nizam al-Mulk is another personality that got divided into different characters. (His erasure was because of Siyasatnama contradicted Qajar Dynasty's right to rule.
Either way, the point was made the fictional Arp Arslan is Persian, not the real one. The setting and story in the LNs is completely paralleling to real historical Achaemenid to Sassanid era Iran, which is and never was Turkish.
>yfw this bitch's patron deity was so hax even after 3000 years after his death someone manages to summon him back to make some fog for Silver Mask
Seljuks were Persianized, but that is more of a reference to the fact they settled in Persia, then actually being an ethnic mix of Caucasian/Mongoloian ethnicity. Also the claim about Ottoman-Persian aggression happened almost 400-500 years after the real Arp Arslan lived, and the Anatolian branch of Seljuk Turks would establish themselves for their descendents to become the Ottoman Turks/Rum Turks.
The Safavids only major cultural or religious difference was the creation of Shia/Twelver Islam to politically isolate themselves from Sunnis when the founder of the Safavid dynasty, the Persianized Kurd-Azeri Ismail Shah, decided it was necessary.
>The Safavids only major cultural or religious difference was the creation of Shia/Twelver Islam to politically isolate themselves from Sunnis when the founder of the Safavid dynasty, the Persianized Kurd-Azeri Ismail Shah, decided it was necessary.
Since we're on the topic of /history/, Shia Islam is pretty much Iranians putting their culture and folklore to Islam and Persiainzing the shit out of it.
Which is why most Arabs hate it.
Actually you can ask your professors about it. And if you have the chance go to/contact Ankara University's Language, History and Geography Department or Shiraz University's School of Literature and Humanity Science Department. They surely know better than myself who is not a complete expert on this subject.
Also what I said was fictional Alp Arslan in this story IS persian, since he is a persian in the original story. Again the original history aims to "erase" historical Turkic presence in Persia so they retconned Seljuk Empire to an upgraded Sasanian Empire.
That he was. My point was about the tale itself having little to do with the race or ethnicity of the actual historical figure. The entire point I've made throughout the thread repeatedly was the Legend of the real Arp Arslan has little to do with the inspiration of the Persian epic, so claiming its about Turks silly.
Its a very LOOSE adaption of the real figure and a closer to one to the ancient Persian rulers.
Tale itself creates a modified "Persian Alp Arslan". I just probed the reasons behind it. And it has something to do with Turks and Ottomanic Claims of Persia. Ottomans were always trying to instigate local population in Iran to rebel against their Persian rulers and return to the their true motherland with their land. One of the casus belli of the Ottoman–Persian War (1821–23) was that Ottoman Empire was harboring rebellious tribesmen. They were basically doing what Turkey did to Syria with ISIS. So the legend creates a tale with a purely Persian Alp Arslan. Remember that this tale was told to the Shah himself and its writer(not the teller, she's just writing what he said) was his daughter.
Btw the reaction of the gulf (Oman excepted because Qaboos is a smart man) to the current Iranian/Shia expansion is often transparently a fear of Iranians rather than actual theological difference with Shia. Even if so much of the Muslim golden age is thanks to them.
Not exactly. You gotta remember that the identification of Shia Islam with Iran is a Safavid thing. Before them, Iran was mainly sunni. In fact, most of the "founding fathers" of sunnism (the guys that recopilated hadith) were of eastern iranian origin. That said, Ismailism (specially Nizaris) and Sufism do have some iranian elements.
One of my favorite traditions in that respect is the one were Shahrbanu, daughter of the last Sassanian emperor Yazdgerd III, married Hussein, son of Ali and third Shia Imam. Thus making the Twelve Imans descendents, not only of the Prophet Muhammad, but also from the Sassanian emperors.
Do you have some proof the epic was created due to strained relations between the Turks and Persians? Because I have seen little evidence of that from any documented material citing the background and citations of the epic.
Either way this is far removed from the tangent claiming that the LNs and its adaptions are based off Turkish characters and history, but rather Persian ones; solidified and made tangible by Persian locations, names, and parallels to its pre-Islamic history.
That's why I said Arabs/Sunnis hate the concept of Twelver Islam/Shia Islam. Its a heavy admixture of Persian and Iranian mythology and folklore tying Islam to Iranians. But another main difference is the support of Ali as being Mohammad's successor irregardless of him or his bloodline having ties to Persians.
What shitty teachers, I could do all their jobs at once. And better. How about it your highness want to forge an alliance with
Weißen?I'll even throw in free tips on how to deal with bastards who like to cover their face.
Also doesn't help Rome and Rome 2 both have Parthia as the main antagonist in the main games, while the Sassanids are always only in the expansion even though both historically and militarily they were more powerful then their Arsacid predecessors.
Hell we've never had the Achaemenids as a playable faction iirc, a Mesopotamia: Total War would work fine too.
No more fujo than its predecessor I would imagine. At some point you're going to have to grow up and not let such minute things keep you from enjoying a series.
Any series that has a large cast of male characters is "fujoshi" by normal shitposting logic of the average anon here. The specter of that should be ignored to talk about the show's merits and characters.
>no source or screencaps of posts with examples
>/a/ eats it up anyways because tumblr boogeyman
worse than /v/.
>tfw Arslan in my online handle in virtually everything
Just wouldn't have thought hyperactive anime nerds who incessantly post threads about waifus and screen caps of chibi anime characters in their spare time would have the attention span for the study of history
/a/ is an international board, when an anime covers interesting topics like Rome, Persia, Medieval/Middle Ages; it snowballs from there.
She looks like an overly forced cowtittied chick compared to her early design in the LNs and original manga. Her prior design had a mysterious alluring charm to it.
/co/ would be voicing a majority opinion about wanting her changed to a fat chick with a dyke styled hair cut.
"We" is every anon. Every anon isn't okay with adding cowtits and removing cool armour and her charm for lifeless. Anons are right, she looks too much like Lust. I feel like she should have gone for a more Hawkeye look and feel.
Unfortunately, the British dub is only for the first two OVAs; the four 30 minute ones get an American dub, which is not as good and I don't remember if they had the Persian chanting. I'm currently rewatching the OVAs, and will watch the four 30 minute ones subbed (I can't wait to hear Ikeda's Silver Mask)
Why do anons lie to themselves all the time?
That cavalry guy looks like a total fucking badass in the new design. I do like his change. Also, seeing as the old version is old, the animation is mostly likely shit. Old shows either have an infinite budget with beautiful hand drawn frame by frame action, or they're complete garbage auctioned to the lowest bidder to animate and barely rise above crappy still frames. And the ration on those two types is like 1:1,000
So how mad will everyone be if the anime ends like the manga ends like the novel ends like the original saga where Farangis, who was sworn to protect the Prince, gets Arslan, the best girl of the series.
OVAs animation was fine, the music and soundtrack were amazing, and the characters were uniquely colorful and well-written.
It only suffers because the OVAs were incomplete and production never got to gear to finish the first season with the final two episodes. Also it had amazing voice talent behind it with seiyuus of Oberstein and Char on it.
Nothing wrong with loving a beautiful boy, anon.
Their in between episode threads, there is literally nothing to talk about. Not that I'm saying it's ok. The first episode thread was pretty quality though then again it was nighttime /a/. My biggest fear has to be what will be the constant shitposting about who's a girl and whether or not Persians are white.
Isn't Maryam Byzantine?
But that does not make sense as Perthia was under the Caliphate at that time.
And the original Arslan story has Arslan being the prince of the Eastern Roman Empire.
The story takes place in an amalgamation of Achaemenid, Arscaid, and Sassanid Persia, centuries before Islam. And we already discussed at length for awhile hours earlier in the thread the Persian adaption of the real Arp Arslan is what is being used, not the historical version of the Turks.
Akatsuki no Yona is more like Arslan except if he was a chick.
You do realize Parthia is not Persia right? And the main antagonists were basically white versions of Arab/Moorish muslims in the OVA. Maryam is an expy for ERE/Byzantine.
Lustinania is Arabia/Moors.
Watching the OVA series, loved the two movies but question.
Is it normal to be gay for Gieve? He's like perfect in every way, constantly has snappy one-liners, and says cryptic shit without it feeling forced or overly dramatic.
My bad. My Roman history knowledge only extended up to the conquest of Asia Minor.
Although it begs the questions as to why Moors are using a shield with the Orthodox cross on it.
I think its less Islamic and more of a tribal Arab cultural thing that just sort of prevaded into Islam as the Caliphate spread across North Africa, Western Asia, and Central Asia.
Stylistically, and government wise (king, bishops, etc) they look like Franks/Crusaders, but they're approach to religion is more similar to the Muslim one. So they're a mix of both.
Yes and Yes
Will do anon.
Thanks. Will have to learn about the Caliphate's culture during crusader's times, although this anime is not set in that time period.
It is fascinating, but too bad our historical records focus so much on the crusader nations.
It was part of the Achaemenid Empire, and it was conquered for some years under the Sassanian emperor Khusraw II. But it was never settled by Persians, if that's what you're asking.
Anatolia is all of Asia Minor, which is what most of modern day Turkey's borders cover. Achaemenids got as far as conquering most of Thrace and parts of Macedonia.
The Kingdom of Lydia which controlled most of western Anatolia was one of the most powerful kingdoms/empires besides the Neo-Babylonians, and Egyptians after Cyrus had obliterated the Median Empire of his grandfather.
He conquered them handily.
I'd love to see a LotGH style anime but with great battles to go with the political scheming between the Arsacids/Sassanids vs Romans/Byzantines.
I thought the original author said he wants no homolust or het or yuri porn of any kind made of his characters, after what happened with LOGH
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I.2.23 (peristyle of the Tavern of Verecundus); 3951: Restitutus says: “Restituta, take off your tunic, please, and show us your hairy privates”.
II.2.3 (Bar of Athictus; right of the door); 8442: I screwed the barmaid