Once she uses that command spell to do whatever, Archer can do whatever he wants since she's out of Command Spells. I'm more curious why she didn't just say "Archer don't go" since her first(?) Command Spell still has an effect on him.
Magic weapons, which nearly all servants have, will still shred a spiritual body. Assassin is the only one without a magical weapon, and opponents cannot retreat to spiritual form due to the terrain he fights on.
That's never been how it works. Nonmagical items can harm a material body.
>Spiritual Body and Material Body
>“Spiritual Body” is a word that describes an existence with spiritual properties. In other words, a shape is constructed without relying on components with physical properties. On the other hand, “Material Body” means something that is identical in structure as our flesh bodies. A Material Body, just like us, cannot walk through walls, and will hurt and become wounded when beaten with an iron baton. However, a Spirit Body is capable of completely disregarding such physical interference. Attacking a Spiritual Body with a baton or sword (unless they are magical items) will only hit empty space.
>When Servants materialise, they acquire Material Bodies in this world. They can also switch to Spiritual Bodies through their will. Spiritual Bodies have the advantages such as low mana consumption, and difficult to be detected by enemies. One of the properties of a Spiritual Body is that it is unaffected by physical interference, but conversely it is difficult for a Spiritual Body to affect a Material Body. As a result, Servants Materialise when engaging in combat.
>Although both are Material Bodies, the composition of Servants and Humans are drastically different.
Notable part: >“Material Body” means something that is identical in structure as our flesh bodies. A Material Body, just like us, cannot walk through walls, and will hurt and become wounded when beaten with an iron baton. >When Servants materialise, they acquire Material Bodies in this world.
It just takes a lot of force. Also, he never aims for armor. Every single attacks he makes are directed at lethal locations.
>>123728871 >Question: How strong are Servants? >Kinoko: Well you see, attack power is about the same as one fighter. A fighter has way too much power for one person too stand up against, but to destroy one city they'll have to refuel many times. But what makes these guys dangerous is that since they're spiritual bodies, regular weapons won't work against them. As far as destructive power goes, there are more numerous powerful weapons among modern ones, but as normal weapons won't do a thing to them, they're among the most powerful.
>Anyway, just as fighters can load a nuclear warhead, they each have their own Noble Phantasms and among the Servants there are ones that have ridiculously powerful ones. That's why when I meant strength being the same as a fighter I thought it would be easier to image.
Rin said herself she's the same type of person as Caster.
Someone who self destructs like an asshole when she's losing, by her words. It's the reason she said they shouldn't ever attack Caster at the temple, because she knows what she'll do based on her own thoughts.
He just said spiritual bodies. When they go spiritual, mundane weapons don't work. But Kojirou engages in a terrain laced with regrets and spiritual power (that's also been layered by Caster's magecraft to reduce the power of noble phantasms), so servants have to become material to pass through. Otherwise, yes, Kojirou could not harm a servant who dematerializes. His katana is made of ordinary iron.
>>123726668 Pretty sure Sabers are the only one with really high magic resistance and I doubt other servants can resist command seals.
In fact I don't believe most Sabers can resist command seals either. Only reason Arturia can is because she has high magic resist from her class and her blood. Her dragon heart/blood also gives her huge magic resistance or some shit.
>>123729693 >Pretty sure Sabers are the only one with really high magic resistance
Saber's have the same magic resistance as other servants, rather than "Super special magic resistance".
Magic resistance depends servant by servant, rather than "Sabers just have the best ones". Lancer, Archer, and Saber all have it though.
>>123729799 Elizabeth always had dragonblood of the same level as Arthur, but it was just revealed when she was Berserker that it wasn't just that her legend was warped due to belief which was implied at first, but rather she really did have dragon's blood in her.
>>123728868 he doesn't mean archer killing himself will result in shirou dying out of time-paradox, he meant archer will willingly interpret it as "kill shirou" since shirou is himself and that would suit his goals.
>>123726773 True, I think Shirou,Rin,Sakura and Bazett are terrible masters for what the war is suppose to be but it takes a unique level of worthlessness to be Shinji or that fatass from AP's or Caster's moronic master. I mean,holy shit.
Didn't want in the war, opted out first chance she got, didn't want to hurt anyone, didn't have a wish, when she was a master for a few days she left everything up to Shirou because he was the man with the plan. It's like some combination of Waver and Uryuu in a sense, where someone got into the war by coincidence whether they so much wanted it or not, except they didn't feel like it. Might not be suited, but it came in handy at least., allowed them to grow at times.
It's not like she's pretending to be a master, she legit opted out.
Shirou and Bazett are good masters though, don't know what you mean there. Shirou might be a terrible magus, but his master ability is at least decent at times.
Hugs are kind of like killing, except with love and stuff.
>>123730914 A foolish thing, like you missed out on all the reasons why it was good it ended like this for them, and how they wouldn't have been saved the other path.
If she had even gone through with it and tried to kill Sakura there, they would have all died. Sakura had too much regeneration to die from what Rin had left in that moment since she blew up her Zelretch knife to get that far. She just had a plain metal knife, and even seperating her head from her body couldn't kill her previously when Gil did it. Sakura would have healed, and the town would have remained doomed.
However because she appealed to Sakura's humanity and finally said what she's been holding back all this time, Sakura fought back against Angya, and stopped him from getting any further long enough for Shirou to cut the connection. Because Rin chose her family and love over her magus and cold hearted self, a path was created.
>>123731193 The original purpose of the War was not a battle royale but a ritual to sacrifice seven Heroic Spirits who were baited by the promise of a Holy Grail. It turned into a battle royale when the founding families had a falling out and used the Servants as weapons instead of fuel for the grail.
>>123731193 >Why should I do anything if people can summon overpowered things
How about you get off your ass and summon something strong as well. Tokiomi could do it and he was a mediocre shit.
It's noted Diarmund could beat Gilgamesh with the perfect strategy in the zero materials.
Other servants can also beat him depending on factors. Ataraxia even shows that most servants have some potential to beat anyone else if their strategy goes off in the perfect way.
Medea could have controlled Saber to beat Gil under some chances, Archer uses knowledge of Gil to blindside him in the right way, Cu gets very lucky, etc.
It depends on how serious Gilgamesh is, the scenario in which you fight, how much of a factor luck is, etc. It's just "How possible is it", and in most cases it has a chance of happening at least.
Only a half-ass says it isn't possible at all, and doesn't try to figure out the proper path forward. Gaining knowledge of the enemy servants and figuring out the perfect strategy, while also getting very lucky is the key.
>>123731193 It wasn't a battle royale at the first place and Magi involved shouldn't have summoned OP Beings as they have a higher chance to resist "Kill Yourself" command.
Three families had a falling out because Tohsaka pushed Einzbern to sacrifice herself which resulted in Makiri/Matou to fuck them over every single chance he got to see what his beloved partner sacrificed herself for.
>>123730361 >for what the war is suppose to be there is no "standard" for the HGW each and every single war is a complete clusterfuck of ever-growing proportions, and if you manage to live through one you're a better master than most
>>123731193 First, Heaven's Feel (a.k.a. what characters call the Holy Grail War) wasn't initially a battle royale but a ritual to sacrifice seven Heroic Spirits to fuel the Grail and open a path to Akasha, the Root, the ultimate goal for any magi.
Second, an Heroic Spirit's personality also accounts to his weaknesses and Gilgamesh is too arrogant.
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