The lifespan is 81,920 hours.
Let's say you used 40,000 hours to build the personality.
Then backup right here.
Every time it is near the 80,000 hours all they had to do is to format the memory, then restore the backup
And keep doing this forever!
You know occam razor.
This is just dumb, already dropped.
>watching a show about a cute robot girl being cute for the story
>paying attention to the story in anime at all
>giving the Japs credit for any sort of integrity regarding the creation of a coherent story
This is a problem in real life robotics. The "memory" model doesn't hold up to actual mechanics. The ability to perform certain actions under certain circumstances is a whole unit concern, not data stored on a hard drive. You can't "back up" an entire organism. Not yet, at least.
There is no need to explain.
If the problem is on the hardware, backup memory. Change the hardware for a new one, then restore backup.
If the problem is on the memory, just restore to a previous working backup.
Anything too far from this is bad writing.
The only good plot logic would be:
- Lifespan is done on purpose, so the owners have to always buy a new one from time to time.
You don't invoke Ockham's Razor when we don't know the first thing about the reasons behind the circumstances depicted in this work of fiction. We don't know how these androids are built nor how memory is implemented. We don't know why memory degrades. There's probably going to be some twist about it.
I like this OP
>Lifespan is done on purpose
Big corporation that has a monopoly on the technology after making some sort of revolutionary advancement. Yeah, there's going to be a different reason behind this.
Also it doesn't make any sense they have to personally disable the robot.
All they had to do is put a timer inside. And every time is reaches the lifespan it would automatically be disabled.
This show is so dumb
>there is no need to explain
What are they doing with the bodies then?
>time to time
One hyper realistic android per decade isn't a really good marketing strategy. Considering when you have your first Giftia waifu taken away from you by the retrieval committee you aren't likely to get another one.
My assumption is that the amount of storage the robots have a limited? For example, say the robot stores data of its surroundings (info and w.e) every second (lets call it 'a'). So the bit rate 'a' times the time duration equals to the data stored. So w.e the bit rate is, the maximum duration these robots can run is 81,910 hours before hitting the max.
The anime states that the robots bug out when they pass their service time. Usually really important data, i.e basic operation, for microcontrollers are reserved at the beginning (or end) of the memory storage unit. It's my guess when these robots go past their lifetime, they being to overwrite the key data to operate.
>Also it doesn't make any sense they have to personally disable the robot.
It does. If the owner wants to keep the giftia or not they still have to retrieve it to do the needed procedures
The show is dumb, but not because "muh backups". If the machines are really nigh-human, then their memory would be as easy to backup as a human brain. The stupid part is this technology only existing in the hands of one jap company as a luxury good in a setting that's otherwise contemporary japan.
Wouldn't that still delete all 41,920 hours from after the backup? What if their personality changed because of some event that happened during that time? The backup personality wouldn't remember that, and wouldn't be the same one you spent all that time with.
The whole office are actually robots except for the boss and that tall, rugged manly motherfucker with the great ass.
It's actually a psychology experiment to see how robots who are told they'll break down perform compared to robots who think they're real humans.
It seems pretty obvious to me that the big tweest incoming is that memory doesn't actually degrade and there is another ulterior motive for retiring the androids. All of the examples we've seen so far have been working completely fine right up to the "deadline".
Saying "stop thinking about this it's not supposed to make sense" when only 2 episodes are out is a pretty fucking stupid suggestion.
What if they are not really robots.
But instead artificial inorganic humans. They work the same as humans, but most of the molecules were replaced by an inorganic version similar in function.
As a side effect their brain cell ages a lot faster than an average human. And within 9 years, they age as much as 70 years of a normal human brain.
By using statistics they reached an average safe lifespan of 81,920 hours. This is a artificial human that could potentially harm others with any malfunction. So they use this lifespan to cover their asses so they would not get into any trouble. More like as an warranty.
>show is dumb because I have not been spoonfeed all the important information in the first two episodes
>And I think making backup and restores actually increases data storage
Haahaha, that's a new one, I'll give you 2/10. Even a simple show like PM is too much for you.
Backing up and restoring any large amount of data puts strain on the device being backed up, as well as the one receiving a backup. Backing up that much memory may be ill-advised, as it runs the risk of permanently destroying the storage medium that is being read from. Even if that isn't a problem, there's the problem of the new storage medium having tons of data written to it, thereby shortening its effective lifespan. All current storage mediums we have today, both Hard Disk and Solid State, have a limit to how much data they can read and write to, and once you surpass that you start running into things like bit-flip errors and the like. I can't imagine, with things like quantum mechanics and entropy getting in the way, that that caveat could ever be overcome. Even if time passes and technology improves, who's to say that the new storage mediums would even be compatible with older tech? You'd be hard-pressed to find a 10 year old motherboard with SATA ports, and the advancement of technology only accelerates with time anyways.
>All current storage mediums we have today, both Hard Disk and Solid State, have a limit to how much data they can read and write to,
Wrong. Solid State has no read limit. Only write limit.
>who's to say that the new storage mediums would even be compatible with older tech? You'd be hard-pressed to find a 10 year old motherboard with SATA ports
Adapters, PCI board with sata or IDE.
Even if the problem lies with the storage hardware. Then all they had to do is a RAID array with 3 mirrored storage devices each from a different supplier. And those pieces being replaced gradually in a period of 30,000 hours. Thus the storage medium would never be near the limit.
And also, as an engineer, I''ll have to add that all systems are prone to memory leaks and data corruption, and you can't envisage having a system run perfectly indefinitely (specially self learning sytems such as some types of AIs). Therefore, it makes sense that Giftias have a lifespan, after which they breakdown.
They're essentially high end computers when stripped to the core..
Didn't Index have some sort of crap like this?
The grills. If you actually take most anime you watch seriously, than you are literally more autistic than me.
It's not bad writing. The show is telling you how the androids work. There's some degree of fantasy in how their "artificial souls" function. Trying to apply principles of how existing technology functions to Giftia is pointless. You don't need to frodo over every detail because you just passed your computer engineering midterm.
>I'm watching it because of the conspiracy theories.
the robot waifus were once living girls who had their minds erased through 6 months of torture
Eventually the cost of repairs outweigh the total value of the car. Five years after the warranty runs out, you'll be paying the car's value in repair work every year, especially if you drive a European car (assuming you live in the US).
I love how stupid you are. You have such low intelligence that you can't even fathom the notion of her mind existing as something other than 1s and 0s
Why don't you actually try reading up on AI and its various incarnations and possibilities before speaking
Just watch it for the cute robot girls
Stop buying shitty cars, holy fuck. I've got an 1980 Toyota Corona, runs perfectly. I've had it for 3 years and nothing has gone wrong except the carb needed a rebuild (which is super easy).
>Wrong. Solid State has no read limit. Only write limit.
Any logical apparatus is subject to tear by usage, due to quantum mechanics and basic entropy. There's no such thing as something not having an operational limit. Even then, you need both read and write to back up and restore.
>Adapters, PCI board with sata or IDE.
Adapters would just add another point of failure to the transfer process, and just band-aids a potentially inevitable conclusion, where you reach an endless cycle of backup/restore onto new hard drives that probably already cost a fuckton of money anyways.
If she was artificially created then whoever created them must know how to write and read the type of memory being used. Otherwise the robot wouldn't even turn on.
If they know how to read and write, then there is no barrier to create backups.
I would, too, but I also take the time to learn how to fix my own shit.
I don't buy shitty cars, the people who wander into my shop do.
>I've got an 1980 Toyota Corona
Excellent choice. Old Japanese cars, Toyotas especially, are unkillable so long as you keep the rust under control. If you'd follow the quote train, you'd see I was originally talking about cars made in the last ten years.
My cars were made in 1990 and 1971.
Because that would literally put them out of business. Like a lot of tooling machines were so good that after the company sells them, customers never need to buy more. Guess what happened to that company?
It would probably be better for business to sell periodic maintenance. With the emotional commitment, i imagine you could get more like that than by up-front costs.
I wonder what the used-giftia market is like.
I don't know, you'll have to check the aftermarket for the appropriate parts and software.
obviously prevent the robot uprising
What would a robot do after its master dies? What if one didn't want to accept death? What if they learned how to make their own robot siblings? Heck you could eventually reach a point where the robots out number the humans in regular life due to the fact that they don't age and can be mass produced if demands are needed.
Give them short lifespans with deterioration and suddenly the risk of a uprising falls.
VN when? I want to play Michiru's route.
>If she was artificially created then whoever created them must know how to write and read the type of memory being used
>Why don't you actually try reading up on AI and its various incarnations and possibilities before speaking
I hate stupid people like you, because I know that there is simply no educating or fixing you. You're always going to be stupid for the rest of your life.
While the argument over whether the giftia time limit is true within the anime's universe is interesting, I'm more interested in the morality of Terminal Service's little assisted suicide program.
If we assume that the giftia time limit is at least as true as the current unavoidability of human death (say there are robo-telomeres that get too short at ~10 years, and while it's not fundamentally impossible to fix, it ain't gonna happen with current technology, and robo-cryonics doesn't work either for whatever reason), is it right to euthenize giftias peacefully a la Kevorkian, or is it more right to let them get robo-dementia and wait until they actually flatline (blue-screen)?
In any case though, Michiru not wearing her glasses all the time is definitely a crime.
>I can't remember but their lifespan was significantly shorter than 9 years no?
Five years. But that was a legal requirement. They didn't want them to pose a threat to humanity, so they deliberately built in a minuscule lifespan.
My theory is that you can actually copy the memory but the personality is lost just like normal people use external memory all the time but it is just memories without the person.
Perhaps the process of personality development is part of the degradation of the hardware so it is unique and can not be duplicated. Might be that such sophisticated AI is not possible in other ways without serious downsides in this show's universe and current technological development.
And they also said only the TS branch in Japan is the only one that handles terminations the way they do (as in trying to empathize a lot with the owners, others probably do it in a more straightforward/cold way).
The big question is: will there be a good enough story or will it degrade into some stupid angst or other shit? Although I wouldn't even complain if I had to drop it, this season, despite being a sequel rape-train, seems to have quite a few good shows (that are not sequels).
PS: Some people voiced "watch it for moe girls" argument, but that's just stupid. There's an endless supply of moe girls in anime, so you can actually choose those with moe girls AND a good story.
the more relevant question is, will you be sad and teary when she dies in ep13 knowing it is even more forced drama than Menma's death?
I think I will just because she is too cute for me to drop this show.
Better question why the Japanese even still around. I imagine by this point every sane man went and purchased himself a perfect Waifu bot by now resulting in the eradication of the Japanese people.
I swear, anime has been too into the brain juice allotment shit too much.
This is the true, hidden purpose of Giftia. Female sexbots collect semen in their bodies and freeze it. Then after they "die", they are re-fitted as male Giftia and impregnate human females.
>If they know how to read and write, then there is no barrier to create backups.
You didn't think about the actual problem before saying that. Your answer was based upon your desire to have a solution rather than about the android having a real-time dynamic memory.
It takes time to save memory. In a real-time dynamic android memory, not a finite clock memory full of processor halts like a PC, as soon as you started saving the contents, the other zones of memory not being saved would be out of time sync with the data you already saved. So if you restored her memory with what you saved, there would be a huge number of processing errors introduced.
A human brain doesn't have everything running in lock step with a clock although parts seem to be sort of like that. Right now, there is known to be a phenomenon with general anesthesia causing problems with many (though not all) people's brains if it is used a bunch of times. Evidently there is some sort of memory degradation. The human brain does trash collection by tossing discontinuities, so the general anesthesia must be the contributor.
Knowing these things, how would Isla #2 toss out those discontinuities when trying to make a copy? It doesn't seem the corporation has something that advanced yet. You can't "general anesthesia" Isla because if you shut her brain down, you have zeroes. Bad news when you turn her back on.
>What sort of asspull
The opposite of chobit
dick in pooper
Surely they could just put a clause in the purchasing contract that says "We'll see you in nine years to pick up this buggy novelty". This show has more holes than the polish submarine.
Your solution as you said was to reformat her memory. Did you think about what you said? So, you reformat her memory and what do you have? Her personality and prior memories are gone.
Restoring her personality from the backup is no good because it is full of errors due to her prior personality decay.
There hasn't been anything that shows that a Giftia can be turned off.
As long as this stands, >>123971074's argument is valid.
But again, it's to early in the show, who knows?
This guy seems to know what he's doing
>having seasonal robot waifus
>Isla shows in episode 1 she's keeping a diary of everything she does
>Her memory is formatted
>She begins reading the diary again and falling (back) in love with Tsukasa
The ending is so obvious I don't understand why /a/ is debating it.
What if they didn't know about the time limit before they started selling robots? Then when robots started failing years later, they had to start the retrieval service as PR move. But they still have a nine year backlog of robots sold without a pre-agreed retrieval.
I think the problem here is that the company is only willing to roll out memory hardware that will support a maximum of 81,920 hours. The old OS will then cannibalize occupied memory addresses in an attempt to continue saving progress, in which case cannibalizing memory will lead to errors. Perhaps the new OS is much more efficient in its use of memory, but the bottom of the problem is that company's unwillingness to roll out memory hardware with higher capacity (red head senior is bemoaning this). Perhaps its just too damn cost inefficient so their giftias can only 'last' roughly 9 years and 4 months before breaking down.
In any case, its a toaster, not your waifu.
We could have light bulbs that last around 10000 hours without a problem, yet they only produce those which last around 1000 hours. Why? Because they can sell 10 times as many. Same concept with the Giftias. Plus, we still don't know how that artificial soul thingy works so it's pointless to argue about it
>robot police come to collect a guy's waifubot
>"FINE, GO AHEAD AND LEAVE. I GOT TIRED OF YOU ALREADY SEASONS AGO! FINALLY I CAN GET MYSELF A NEW SEXBOT, ONE WHO'LL DO THAT THING THAT YOU REFUSED TO DO EXCEPT ON MY BIRTHDAYS!"
>i-i'm happy for you, mastah, you don't need me...
>waifubot goes limp as she gets turned off
>notice the otaku has rivulets of snot and tears running down his face now
>"how could I ever replace mai waifu? bwaaaaaaaaaaka"
>Bang Bang, Boom, Hack the cloud
>Inject my thick code into your waifus asscount when you're out of the house
>I'm a black hacker
Internal consistency is important for suspension of disbelief. The problem is not realism, it's having logical explanations that make sense in the setting.
Vivio can be explained using the Nanoha setting without significant problems. However this setting has more problems trying to explain all of the details and why they occur.
It doesn't matter how androids work. The show is basically about accepting that sooner or later everyone you love will die and there is nothing you can do to save them. It's art, not everything in it needs to be logical. You don't critique surrealist paintings for the improbability of forms.
His post makes no sense. Does he want a in depth technical explanation with lots of technobabble? This is the setting and the whole premise of the show, it doesn't need to be explained. In fact it's better without Star Trek technobabble for 15 year olds.
>The show is basically about accepting that sooner or later everyone you love will die and there is nothing you can do to save them.
I don't get the impression it's about that at all, the plot seems like your average dorama and will probably end like one. The sci-fi aspect is for decoration.
There's no mention of magic in my post (only someone's reply).
Even if the setting establishes that there are artificial souls, that doesn't mean that suddenly anything is possible. That wouldn't allow for the giftias to start flying or shoot laser beams.
I don't think explanations are needed, as long as a viewer could reasonably come up with one. Honestly I think the memory issue is fine. I find their overly human aspects much stranger, like needing to use the bathroom (and feeling uncomfortable when they need to).
>I find their overly human aspects much stranger, like needing to use the bathroom (and feeling uncomfortable when they need to)
It's to let you know that the giftias are pretty much the same as humans and the only difference is that their lifespan is predetermined.
>Start storing memories
>Mana du vortes, mana du vortes
That's the point of a contract. You aren't legally allowed to refuse. "Oh, you don't want to give back the synth? Yes, Hello Mr. judgeman we have an agreement to repossess the synth."
You don't just get to pick and choose which clauses to abide by after you sign a contractual agreement. What's the first thing you have to deal with after you buy a new phone or tablet? Agree to the terms and services as set out by the company.
Which IMO makes it feel out of place. Rather than try to create a story within a consistent setting, the setting is just changed without regard to further the message they want to convey.
The other things that feel poor setting wise is the the extremely poor treatment of the retrieval division. Not only are they not in the main building (which makes no sense), there's what >>123972037 mentions, and we don't even know how much area they really cover.
It's not about the mechanics of the technology, it's a sci fi show, you don't shit on fantasy shows saying 'this is shit magic isn't real'. The Giftias are obviously incredibly advanced, so who says their memory storage system is anything like an ordinary computer?
The show is obviously going to be about emotions and shit, not boring technobabble.
It would be ruined if Ilsa is allowed to live with some asspull, it would go against the themes of the show.
Whats really important here is that Isla doesnt wear pantsu.
back off, she is mine
Why not both?
See, but then they'd lose their memory, unless you're saying to replace all the corrupted data. Such as run function and and broken memory then just add clean ones.
That might work, but it probably wouldn't work because of
>le storage capacity
OK! There is two theory acceptable
>What if they are not really robots.
>But instead artificial inorganic humans.
>Hard Disk and Solid State, have a limit to how much data they can read and write to, and once you surpass that you start running into things like bit-flip errors
This. If you're arguing about the lifespan then you're missing the point. It doesn't matter whether their lifespans are 5 years, 20 years or 200 years because the focus is that the owner will one day be separated from the giftia and in the case of the giftias having longer lives than humans, they'll still be separated by death eventually.
It's weird how humans are alienated from products they use. If they like their androids so much, why don't they learn about their internals and find a way to copy these precious memories.
>tfw 30% off for the next one.
If their default computer unit is so flawed, I'd just bought the body and installed my own standard CPU and wrote my own software (or grabbed something from github) that uses this body to help around the home and have sex with me.
Humans that cannot hack products they use are sooo dumb and powerless.
I hope we will see an episode about an owner that hacked his android to do something unusual.
The more obvious reason for me is that since in the brain all data is interconnected, the more memories/experiences/data are there, the more work is needed to integrate a new memory with all the knowledge already processed. It's already explained that they currently don't have ways to delete memory (which is not like deleting a file in the computer, as a single data is probably not localized anywhere but completely spread like in the human brain).
It doesn't matter if you can double the processing power or space when the work in adding memories grow exponential/factorial with the amount of memories already there, you'll buy at best a few extra days that way.
It's entirely possible they're based on some kind of future-memory that you just can't copy. Quantum, which makes backups straight up impossible due to violation of basic physics, artificial pseudo-biology which would be as hard to copy as a normal human brain, etc.
Again, you're assuming they have a normal computer inside them. For all we know they might be running on physical approximations of real neurons and asking "why no one just asks them" would be more or less like asking "why aren't parents just hacking their kids when they get rude".
If their central processing unit is a direct hardware implementation of a set of algorithms (e.g. a system that uses deep reinforcement learning to generate robot body behavior from world perception) that uses e.g. memristors for memory it's quite possible that wires that could allow to access every memristor (and there are trillions) would take too much space/power to be included in the production model (they should be in place for prototype models though).
Also memristors have large but finite number of writes, so if they are updated in every incoming frame from vision sensors and body their lifespan could be just some years.
Need cheap androids => need cheap direct hardware implementations of control algos => don't have embedded debuger memory inspection because cost
Imagine you have a crystal that has trillions of analog electronic parts etched inside it. Just how you hack it?
You cannot hack an old radio (you could still take out some parts though, because they are separate and not on the same crystal), it doesn't have a computer and memory inside.
And those androids' brains are probably a big analog circuit.
The human brain is self-clocking but also has semi-isolated portions that seem to have its own self-clocking. All this works due in part to the hysteresis delay between neurons. Without that time delay, if everything communicated instantly and had no compartmental separations, it would be similar to a short circuit as all communication would simply interfere with each other.
If the android brain is emulating this with memory cells ("memristor") then the concepts in >>123971074 are valid. Memristors would need to at least be tri-state to emulate neurons and such memory does exist.
It's assumed that the android memory uses trash collection in similar fashion to humans. During sleep, memories are sorted out and discarded or kept based upon strength and number of reinforcement connections. Over time, these memories will become more granular unless they are re-accessed again to reinforce the entire pattern. Androids could do the same as this. With such dynamic memories, trying to make a backup would be risky as memories might actually flow from physical location to physical location much as clouds float in the sky. Thus, any recording that was not instantaneous could result in memories being spliced to different memories. So the android using a power tool could have that skill immediately grafted to a memory of caressing your face. Thus, that android would immediately stop clipping your hedge with the electric trimmers and caress your face with the hedge trimmers. That is the consequence of using memory backups for androids if memories restored with discontinuities mentioned in >>123971074
That's the way I'm interpreting it so far, but I get the feeling they're not going to stay on that track. If they somehow manage to keep going with that metaphor, and stick with it until the end, then I can see this anime turning out really well and being very powerful.
I can never bring myself to throw out old broken computers though, I've got like 4 towers and 3 laptops in the garage that are all broken down. Still clinging to that hope that I can fiddle around with them a bit one afternoon and they'll all just magically work again.
>It's assumed that the android memory uses trash collection in similar fashion to humans. During sleep, memories are sorted out and discarded or kept based upon strength and number of reinforcement connections
Is /a/ even watching the same show? Try paying attention to the source material.
Giftias don't forget. Full stop.
With your logic, You have validated why 100% Giftia must be recalled before ten years have passed.
You have indirectly validated that there is no practical solution other than recall. Unless otherwise confirmed, the corporation in the anime is innocent of wrongdoing or complicity in deliberately designing flaws in a product. It simply fills up its memory and must be recalled before ten years.
Other people in the thread were trying to justify why or how some problems occur or might be alleviated or why some problems could not be alleviated.
>Is this show an allegory to how we use and depose of computers (and their memory) without caring?
One could say It's the inevitability of old age for devices, androids, and people, so we must learn to let go. But this superficial deduction ignores the actual problem presented in the show --> the androids are being discarded while they are still functioning properly and with affection still being maintained.
Even a smartphone or PC does trash collection and forgets a lot of trash memories but keeps essential data, images, and records. But you say that a Giftia must keep also keep all trash memories used in raw computation. That seems wrong.
I think you actually found the perfect reason as to why they are retrieving them.
This is what happens in real-life too, huge corporations collect incredibly vast amounts of data, if people are willing to pay for your chat messages, and internet traffic, then I am sure someone is willing to pay for 9 years information on every single thing you do.
That would be an asspull for happy ending!
To prevent hacking, they have to make it hard to either access/read memory or to write to it. It seems to be a necessary security feature in an advanced society where many people (or even your cat) have access and knowledge in using information technology tools and automation.
Or just pull some don't have to explain shit asspull and you have a happy end.
Most likely she'll (with the help from MC and his love for her) evolve and learn how to forget thus overcoming the memory limit.
Asimovian cute story
YES I WANT TO FUCK ALL THOSE ROBOTS EVEN THE BOYS
Do you remember all the fun times you had with XP-tan?
Pretty sure a giftias personality is something much more unique and fluid you could compare it to a human being who suffers from memory loss and in a sense becomes someone else forming an entirely different personality from that which he was conceived from.
Erasing data from the giftia would be similar to that of memory loss and with it the chance of an entirely new personality stemming from it.
I have read Asimov and all that stuff personally. Honestly, most of these people complaining are being rather illogical and seem to picking at things for the sake of picking at them. There is only so much you can do with anime compared to writing in terms of explanation. Else we would be listening to 15 minute dialogues about transportation.
>People that say the corporation is intentionally only letting them live 9 years
That makes no sense from a business point of view.
-Why limit the amount of time a person could spend with them. Odds are they will form a bond with them so strong they will never want to buy another one again thus meaning you lose a customer?
-Why not set it up so they can continue to renew the Giftia. They buy them once and they keep paying you to keep them running. They would never lose a customer.
-Why not offer models that can last longer if possible for a higher price? Make more money this way.
>THE BIG EVIL CORPORATION IS JUST TRYING TO MAKE MONEY
They lose more money by not having them last longer.
>people with pets never buy new ones after their dog dies of old age in which they last 15+ years
Jesus christ you people are so naive.
Except it doesn't because people NEED something to fill the void their companion created dipshit.
If they don't they often lead to depression drinking..etc so they buy a replacement.
And that is where the income comes from.
>can build human like robots
>doesnt have the technology to build a brain like device that will allow 2.5 petabytes of memory that can hold continous data due to A.I continously being override or wrote.
this is one those shows you had to stop thinking seriously.
People have refused to buy another dog before because I do want to have them be a simple replacement for the one they spent all their time with and developed precious memories with.
They feel they would cheat not only the new dog by making them a cheap replacement but also feel they are ignoring the memories they formed with their former dog.
People can grow from loss. Simply trying to buy a new dog is trying to ignore it (in certain cases).
If you've seen those types of people when they are around children they get extremely clingy protective and motherly, as if attempting to fill the void of their kids.
Its so pathetic.
I've seen people replace a ton of pets they've clinged to, to fill the void of having a companion.
A minority and people who have brain issues who create bonds with animals without knowing the facts they are simply pets.
DOn't project such lonely ill people as the majority.
People get close to pets but most people know, they are pets and will one day die before them.
>If you get attached to your pets, you're mentally ill
>Ditto for your completely sentient friend/adopted kid/whatever you've raised for nine years
I think you're the mentally ill one.
>buys something KNOWING it will die before you
No that is mentally ill.
>People get close to pets but most people know, they are pets and will one day die before them.
Are you trying to say people should not get close to their pets because they will eventually die?
That is stupid.
Everyone dies but it doesn't stop us from still getting really close to each other.
>Tsukasa will study and observe Isla and discover the mechanicism of the Giftias
>When Isla lifespan is up we'll get a twist ending that her memories wasn't erased and Tsukasa found a way to increase the longevity of the Giftias
>They live until old age and die together holding hands gazing at the sunset
If after the 83 days of Isla personality disintergration and memory loss, if the Terminal Service does erase her memories. I'll be impressed, yet, I don't think Isla will go through what the other Giftas went through.
Yeah, this basically sinks any "Oh, it'd be more logical if the company were doing it" argument. They could charge as much as twenty nine-years for a ninety-year, and they'd still have buyers.
So, if someone chooses not to abort a kid with cystic fibrosis, they can't cry when the kid dies or they're mentally ill?
Or, let's see, I know my parents are going to die before me. If you'd given me the option of living with them or not, I'd have chosen to live with them. You're probably (?) in a similar situation with your parents. Am I mentally ill for that? Are you?
The big problem is the fact that their memories will be erased forever.
If they could move memories over to a new Giftia then let the company do what they want. If they are erasing memories just because they want you to buy a new Giftia then it is stupid as fuck.
First option would keep almost 100% of the customers coming back.
Second option would lose a large number of them.
>something you buy
That's circumstantial and has no effect on the actual thing in question. I could buy a family member, in theory - I pay a prostitute to have the kid, or a hypothetical for-profit center for artificial insemination, let's say.
Indeed, they are mentally ill for not aborting a kid with a health condition and then crying about it expecting a different result from the obvious.
We didn't buy our parents, once again you're comparing a product to an actual genetic bond we have with our parents.
Its not, remember something you buy is a product.
I have a pet cat, when it dies I will not cry for it, not even shed a tear as I view it as the product in question hitting its expiration date.
However I will miss the company so I will most likely buy myself a replacement product that being a new kitty or something else were it to catch my fancy.
Items that you purchase you have foresight on how long it will logical last if you have a brain.
Same with a car, a computer, a latop..etc things expire and thus require and upgrade, I do not shed tears by things that can be replaced.
I'm saying that if I were given the option to buy my parents, I would have.
>crying about it expecting a different result from the obvious.
Do you think sadness is about surprise? Are you this fucking dense?
>I do not shed tears by things that can be replaced.
Everything can be replaced. I'm convinced you're fourteen and have just discovered that emotions can't be logically justified and are now trying to be the most rational human ever.
Only becomes moe when its about to die though.
Like a fat old cat becomes cute when it does nothing but sleep everywhere.
>I have a pet cat, when it dies I will not cry for it, not even shed a tear as I view it as the product in question hitting its expiration date.
The fuck is wrong with you?
And if you bought your parents you'd care a whole lot less about them in the form of parents and simply view then as products.
This is how people view prostitutes, not humans but merely objects and products to rent for a certain amount of time, same with strippers..etc.
Do you fall in love with prostitutes and strippers?
I understand how emotions work, I'm just saying that people like you are mentally off and pass it off as "normal" for some odd reason.
>And if you bought your parents you'd care a whole lot less about them in the form of parents and simply view then as products.
No, I wouldn't because I don't base something's value on the method I used to acquire it, you stupid fuck. If I bought a slave for two cents, I wouldn't beat them to death just because they're "expendable". I'm not a supervillain or some shit.
No, you don't understand. That already happened, now almost everyone is a replicant produced by other replicants who aren't aware they're replicants because those memories have faded away after the 10 year time limit, and so they maintain the same culture and customs as the original humans, including the whole deactivation-at-10-month-thing that no one did because it would be murdering your waifu.
Prove me wrong.
>It's not about the mechanics of the technology, it's a sci fi show, you don't shit on fantasy shows saying 'this is shit magic isn't real'.
>It would be ruined if Ilsa is allowed to live with some asspull, it would go against the themes of the show.
Value is given by supply and demand.
If there is a large supply and easily replaced then it hold little value you do this every day to objects that hold no value.
And same was viewed as slaved when they were viewed as objects, just because you live in this age and in this country where we preach of "muh humanity" the morals of this current age are blinding you of the obvious fact that you apply this mentality to everything.
Fuck off with your sheeple mind.
>YFW Isla-chan's memories are erased and we get a 2nd season
>Value is given by supply and demand.
> the morals of this current age are blinding you of the obvious fact that you apply this mentality to everything
The fact that I believe something is blinding me to the fact that I actually believe the opposite? Thanks for clearing that up for me.
>The fact that I believe something is blinding me to the fact that I actually believe the opposite?
Everyone preaches about morality about upholding the law and how wrong it is to commit wrongful actions.
Now think what would these people do if anarchy started to rise and police ceased to exist unable to enforce the law.
You hold the ideals you do because it benefits you in your current environment, once that ceases to be true your morals will twist and turn to your new environment, such are human beings. We aren't static creatures we are highly adaptable and highly prone to manipulation and influences.
He's not saying it'd be bullshit because of a lack of material explanation - he's saying it'd be bullshit narratively/thematically, which is different.
Oh, god, you're literally twelve.
Call it edgy all you want, but that is the truth of the matter.
You're spouting the politically correct blue pilled bullshit ignorant of the fact all you're spouting is garbage that you've been spoonfed.
If anything you're the 12 year old.
With no knowledge of the hardware its not possible to assert you can back it up. There are many scenarios where it would be impossible to backup "the personality" especially if we consider what a computer capable of simulating neurons on the scale of a human brain might look like. In this example "http://www.damninteresting.com/on-the-origin-of-circuits/ " you can see that simply reading off the configuration of the array gets you no where.
I'm going to like whatever I like, and care about whatever I want to care about
or not. Your blanket statements mean nothing in the face of subjectivity. People are objects, and manpower can be replaced. However, market forces are only part of monetary cost. Intrinsic value is a function of monetary cost, but it is not the whole story. Even "worthless junk" can become worth more to someone.
My objections to "you're bluepilled sheeple who don't understand that all value is given by supply and demand and all humans are fundamentally hypocritical, selfish, and amoral"? I assume everyone in this thread, whether they agree or disagree with me, knows the sort of objections that would be made to this, and the counterobjections, and so on, without me saying anything.
The fact is we have no idea how this soul technology works and we can't make any judgments. It likely has entirely different properties and limitations from the hardware and software we know today, so trying to figure out how you would "back up" or replace any of the data is completely futile.
81,920 hours is the lifespan, huh?
Why did they have to slap 0 at the end, we would have nice number, 2^13, which would make some sense if we are talking about memory.
For the plot 2^16 could be used instead.
It's fun to count the lifespan if they went a "bit" higher though.