>Hyouka was KyoAni's peak and all that's left is dying throes
I like to rim the KyoAnus as much as the next guy but I have serious doubts they'll ever make anything that can even come close to some of their better works. It's sad to see the wasted potential.
Hyouka was definitely their peak. I've tried and dropped a variety of Kyoanus shows, and Hyouka was the only one I could make it most of the way through with. And it's still mediocre and boring.
Kyoanus: boring characters doing boring things.
>Hyouka was KyoAni's peak
Bait harder, faggot.
Even these guys do better series than the KyoANi of today
> implying KyoAni isn't a troll studio
Hahahahahaha- Keep going! Keep going!
Hyouka was HATED when it came out. It was boring when it started out, it continued being boring throughout the show's airing. The only people who liked it here were those who forced themselves to (i.e. diehard KyoAspies).
Hyouka was the start of Kyoto Animation's decline, they were at their best when creating Disappearance and the K-On movie. Maybe that's where they'll end up, making anime movies. When it comes to anime TV shows though, they've bottomed-out.
the only people who shit on Hyouka are the ones who constantly post the "zzzzzz" meme and apparently have some kind of ADHD syndrome, where they can't concentrate on what's going on in a series if they don't have flashy lights and tits bouncing off the screen every 5 seconds
Where do you even think the zzzzzz "meme" came from? That was the initial and final review of the series for most people. Also, we don't need bouncing tits or flashing lights to pay attention, what we need is good anime. Hyouka was only a pretty anime, but it was mostly vapid and slow and wasn't worth slogging through. Hell, even the main character was a boring piece of shit who never wanted to exert himself. Why would we want to exert the effort of watching the series when the guy who is supposed to lead us through the series can barely get himself up to masturbate in the morning?
>Hell, even the main character was a boring piece of shit
that's the point of the story though. It's his transformation from his grey life into the rose colored life that is implied in the last episode. It had great character interaction and development, the riddles and mysteries added something to the overused school setting and the show looked absolutely gorgeous. Don't really know how SOL fans could say that it's boring
As a result of it being the point of the story, it's really boring to slog through because more often than not he just wants to be in that grey life. As for its visual quality, you're right. It's lovely. But that's KyoAni, that goes without saying. They could animate my college textbooks and make em pretty, but they'd still be boring too.
Those people are in every series.
This faggot author naming his book "The Kotenbu Series".
"I already know I'm gonna do a sequel"
I guess it's a better name than "Hyouka", since the anime kind of blew that load within the first 4 episodes.
Just look at mushishi to see how to do it right.
>what the fuck does that even mean
M E L O D R A M A
There, I've spelled it out for you. Now lrn2comprehension.
Every argument over Hyouka thread I've ever seen starts out with the critics getting accused of being impatient. They point out that they're fine with slow-paced anime: Mushishi, Natsume Yuujinchou, etc.- that it's Hyouka they don't like. They point out that the plot is contrived at every twist, and that it takes itself too seriously as a mystery show. Hyouka defence league then switches gears and starts talking about how great the characterisation is, and that it's not about the plot. The critics argue that the characters are as likeable as mosquitoes: Oreki is a lazy fuck whose character development in its entirety is - [unsympathetic -> barely tolerable]; Chitanda is a moeblob with a grating voice; Fukube is a cardboard cut-out plot advancement tool whose amazing skill is only ever as good as the story requires; Ibara is there for no reason other than to fill in gaps the other walking tropes don't. And they aren't just unlikeable- they're boring the way kids without any outstanding motivations are.
All the while:
> some idiot will try to claim it's not a mystery show
> some other idiot will unironically call Hyouka 'deep'
> half the Hyouka defence league will imply the critics have shit taste only because they're Eurofag or Amerifat or from somewhere nobody cares about
> Hyouka defence league goes full ad hominem when they run out of arguments and it's nothing but shitflinging for a few dozen posts
> at least two of them call other anons 'miserable' for thinking one show in particular shit
> thread tapers off with the critics still never learning that you can't debate away a diehard Hyouka fan's shit taste
>takes itself too seriously
Maybe you take it too seriously.
I really liked it, and I don't think it's more than a gorgeously animated SOL with mundane mysteries thrown in. There's nothing particularly pretentious about it, you just seem mad that it wasn't what you expected it to be.
>There, I've spelled it out for you
don't really know how you would call mysteries pretentious and melodrama but okay I guess
> They point out that the plot is contrived at every twist
how is it contrived? What twists? Are you talking about the resolution of the mysteries or something?
>and that it takes itself too seriously as a mystery show
again what does this mean? No idea what you are trying to imply here
>The critics argue that the characters are as likeable as mosquitoes: Oreki is a lazy fuck whose character development in its entirety is - [unsympathetic -> barely tolerable]; Chitanda is a moeblob with a grating voice; Fukube is a cardboard cut-out plot advancement tool whose amazing skill is only ever as good as the story requires; Ibara is there for no reason other than to fill in gaps the other walking tropes don't.
They're a group of friends in a SOL anime. No idea what exactly you are expecting here, but I personally found the characters to be a lot of fun and you could really see that they changed at the end of the series
>plot is contrived at every twist, and that it takes itself too seriously as a mystery show
Name a few examples, or express yourself clearly.
>critics argue that the characters are as likeable as mosquitoess: Oreki is a lazy fuck whose character development in its entirety is - [unsympathetic -> barely tolerable]; Chitanda is a moeblob with a grating voice; Fukube is a cardboard cut-out plot advancement tool whose amazing skill is only ever as good as the story requires; Ibara is there for no reason other than to fill in gaps the other walking tropes don't
I could just as easily make a laudatory description of each, or take your favourite series and describe the characters in the same manner you did. All you're doing here crying that it didn't appeal to your taste.
I watched Hyouka before I even knew what Kyoani or 4chan was, and I had only seen about 30 animes at the time (mostly battle shonen) it was just some random anime i found on an anime app on my phone and I still enjoyed it, in fact i finished it in one fucking sitting. The only kyoanime I didn't enjoy was chuunibyo s2, and right now my opinion is the most objective one in this thread.
>thought one studio's works were boring
>"lolol adhd adhd muh addies"
I read novels (and write them) just fine. Kyoanus is a terrible studio because noplot and nothing happens. It's like watching paint dry, while a faction of /a/ faps over differences in the rate of drying on different square inches of the wall and keeps chanting "BEST STUDIO SAVED ANIME KYOANI GODS."
Their stories are poorly paced, boring moeshit with no substance. There's simply no reason to watch contrite, shiny piles of shit like Kyoanus puts out.
Even the mysteries in Hyouka were meaningless, shallow, and boring. I dropped it at onsen episode. I only watched for Oreki.
Go read Sherlock Holmes and understand why Hyouka is a shallow, muted, and sterile ripoff that isn't worth anyone's time.
>implying I want to argue with you when the point of my post is 'arguing with Hyouka fans is pointless'
You're welcome to sing praises for the characterisation. I never say 'no' to a good laugh.
And remember: the wordier the better.
>Go read Sherlock Holmes and understand why Hyouka is a shallow, muted, and sterile ripoff that isn't worth anyone's time.
Did you seriously expect a kid's show to have the same level depth as stuff like Holmes or Poirot?
I think this is the wrong medium for you.
>Did you seriously expect a kid's show to have the same level depth as stuff like Holmes or Poirot?
You would if you were listening to the plebei/a/ns who wax lyrical about the fathomless, nuanced character development in this "gem" of a show.
You sure found a way to feel smart while running away from the slightest inquiry. I'm impressed, mister.
What's laughable is that he seems to think of Sherlock Holmes as a deep work of literature. Just what you'd expect from someone who "writes novels".
I always said they'll never top Hyouka, Not because Kyoani have fell off or shit its because Hyouka is top top fucking quality
Euphonium looks pretty fucking good though.
>Here's why arguing with Hyouka fags is pointless.
>"Argue with me"
>No. What did I just say?
>"I bet you think you're smart- running away like that, Mister!"
Holy shit- we've come full circle. My sides are aching something fierce.
>comparing anime with literature
>comparing television with books
>comparing a recent Japanese fuffy fun and cute anime to a work from one of the best mystery writers of all time
Why are you here?
Absolutely wrong, though being a Tripfag I guess that's normal for you
Anytime a new show comes out, particularly by a noteworthy studio, it gets picked up by a lot of people. Hyouka is slow paced, I watched the first episode and then dropped it for 5 months. When I picked it up again I finished the entire thing in two sittings and wished there was more.
The threads that were around at the time were full of people who loved it and vocal groups who were constantly picking it up halfway through and dropping it, being sure to meme their way out the door. There was never a consensus on whether it was good or not, and given time to look back, it's actually looked at pretty favourably on /a/ which is saying a lot.
The average KyoAnus fag.
I am fine with moe. I like moe. But I don't like watching normal girls doing normal stuff without any comedy in my Taiwanese stop-motion. If you only watch it for the cute girls better use your time searching for fanart.
> starting an animu halfway through when the preceding episodes are just as easy to get
In what universe do you think this happens?
Sherlock Holmes isn't even deep. It's pretty much pop fiction from yesteryear. That's what I'm saying, even compared to popular pleb fiction, kyoanus is still a thousand times worse.
Need I list some 10/10 anime for you? Anime has plenty of potential if the writers aren't jacking off with one hand while doodling cute girls flopping around with the other.
I used SH because Oreki is a ripoff of it.
I am one of those Hyoukafags who will wax lyrical about how great the show is but like anything it's not without its faults and Chitanda was one of them.
Her character gets expanded on a lot in the last episode through tons of implications, but I still always thought she was a little too perfect. All the other MCs were flawed and screwed up in a lot of real ways, but Chitanda never had any problems, nor does she really change or learn much of anything over the course of the series.
Hyouka was boring as fuck. "Peak" my ass. Kyoani's only just recently hit their stride, pic related.
Haters gonna hate, but which one of us is going to get a movie? Here's a hint: it's not fucking Hyouka.
K-ON and Nichijou were pretty good. Chuunikoi was okay. Hyouka and Amaburi were rather lacking. Free was fujoshit. Euphonium has a shoujo-shit vibe to it, it's probably going to be rather crappy too.
>Euphonium looks like it's going to be one of their best.
The art isn't that charming. I could deal with that, but what's more upsetting is that the mood seems to be rather tense and unrelaxed. Unnecessary drama is already brewing. It has a certain shoujo shit stench to it.
> scraping by through fujoshit-pandering and big franchise sequels
> become so unremarkable a studio that rustling their moeblob-loving fanbase's jimmies is their biggest achievement for the last seven years
> 'just hit their stride'
>Its premise is overdone and characters look generic
Wait, which KyoAni series were we talking about again?
OFFICIAL KYOANI POWER RANKINGS
I already like it a lot. Kumiko isn't sure whether she wants to go through with committing her school life to the pursuit of success in this field. She doesn't know if she can be like Reina and invest so heavily into it. But then she listens to the recording of them playing at the concours and can't help but to be moved by it. It's romantic. I hope the doesn't get too bogged down in comedic relief and cutesy antics and maintains a minimum level of passion and guts.
Ruins the mood? You understand character drama is the exact mood most sports anime are going for right? Those shows go for a more casual approach regarding the "sports" part and don't feel exactly like sports anime.
2.Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya
But Tamako love story is kyoani's peak, it would be hard to top that.
Disappearance was their peak.
It's all been downhill since KyoAni, Kodansha and Tanigawa got into a Mexican Jew-off over the Haruhi money.
I just finally made sense of the ending of Hyouka, I had never thought of it this way before, but as Oreki becomes more engaged in life and stops trying to live a boring life thanks to Chitanda's efforts, he realises he can't fall in love with her because life with Chitanda would be unsatisfying to him now.
Suddenly it all makes sense. ;_;
that would've been great though. She deserved better than that shithead satoshi
This attention span thing is certainly real considering that some people already said that Euphonium was boring. I actually feel really bad that there are so many people on /a/ that can't watch something slower paced for 20 minutes without calling it boring. And Euph. wasn't even slow.
Why does /a/ tend to over-rate Hyouka so much? I mean I enjoyed it, but it's definitely not peak Kyoani.
It perfectly appeals to the taste of people with a specific temperament, if I had to take a guess. It's probably the same reason there's a lot of posters so vocal about their dislike of it.
People have different opinions, champ.
I hate the kind of opinions that just pussyfoot around praising what they like by putting some dumb disclaimer like "Yeah, it's not THE BEST" or "It's not deep at all," just because they don't want hipsters to reply and argue that they're overrating something they really like.
People with negative opinions tend to be WAY more vocal than positive opinions anyway. This board just wallows in negativity most of the time and become upset if anything positive disrupts that comfortable hivemind.