ITT we discuss how much better Fate would be if instead of teenagers and a loli we had Bazett, Kotomine, Jubstacheit, Zouken and this pimp right here.
>Giving us a the meme Cu when we could have glorious Riastrad
Literally what the fuck are they doing over at type-moon?
How did they manage to lose the third magic even? Is this ever explained?
>To Lancer's Master, you say?
>I'll get right on that.
She is. specific things happen in HA that allow Avenger to keep her from dyning, things that never happened in the original. So seeing as how this anime is a retelling unless Nasu wills it, Bazett is a week old corpse by now.
From what we understand about the Third Magic, I wonder how its user managed to die in the first place.
Maybe he intentionally let the Magic die with him because he didn't believe anyone left in the Einzbern family could be trusted with it.
Because Rider is the class that gets all sorts of Noble Phantasms.
Reminder that Caster's master is pic related
>Bazett is a week old corpse by now
>tfw you will never get to do things to that corpse
Why didn't he just order Medea not to harm him instead of not using her noble phantasm against him before she rule broke herself?
time for Cu fags to kill themselves? Yes
>doesnt kill a single servant in any route
>if instead of teenagers
HEEEEEREE WEEEE GOOOOO
The Lancer container has higher Strength, Endurance, and Agility than Rider. It also frequently gets Battle Continuation (though Cu is so well known for doing exactly what Battle Continuation does he'll probably get it as a personal skill in other classes) and might have a nigher base Magic Resistance than Rider.
I'd expect certain Noble Phantasms that are more closely related to other classes wouldn't be as effective as Rider, too.
That's it. I'm sick of all this "Masterwork Servant" bullshit that's going on in F/SN right now. Lancer deserves much better than that. Much, much better than that.
I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine Cu in Ireland for 2,400,000 Prana (that's about six thousand adult mages worth) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even pierce slabs of solid Berserkers' heart with my Gae Bolg.
The Throne spends eons working on a single Lancer and folds causality up to a million times to produce the finest Servants known to magekind.
Cu is thrice as strong as Altria and thrice as fast for that matter too. Anything a Saber can slash through, Cuchulain can slash through better. I'm pretty sure a Gay Bulge could easily pierce a Servant protected by a Rho Aias with a simple throw.
Ever wonder why Romans never managed to conquer Ireland while the Culann's Hound still lived? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Lancer and his Gae Bolg of destruction. Even in Holy Grail War IV, Gilgamesh targeted Cu first because his killing power was feared and respected.
So what am I saying? Lancer is simply the best Servant that the world has ever seen, and thus, requires better stats in the Fate system. Here is the baseline stat block I propose for Lancer:
Protection from arrows: B
Magic Resistance: B
Battle Continuation: A++
Gae Bolg: Striking Death Flight
Maximum Targets: 500 People
Gáe Bolg: Spear of Piercing Barbed Death
Maximum targets: 1
Liath Macha and Dub Sainglend
Maximum targets: 50
Now that seems a lot more representative of the piercing power of Cu in real life, don't you think?
tl;dr = Cu needs to be better in Fate, see my new stat block.
Wait a second. Die Issei get killed offscreen in Heavens Feel?
When I was a kid I pulled Excalibur out of the stone with Merlin.
Does that mean I'm Seibah?
Bazett would have gotten tricked by Kotomine eventually. She never stood a chance as long as she was there. Also, she's no match for Medea or Heracles.
Old Man Acht is a stubborn old fool who probably would have gotten his shit kicked in at some point.
And your pic related was probably the most incompetent Master ever shown in the entire franchise.
>Attack that warps reality for guaranteed death
>Can't kill anybody with it
fucking why did I look it up?
>normie children probably went up to this 3d pig-whore expecting her to be a princess
Without Saber, Shirou and Archer around, Gilgamesh probably would have won the war.
Also, a common theme among Nasu's works is that adults aren't always necessarily more competent than children. Fate/Zero was full of incompetent fuckups.
I agree, I just really want more Bazett.
Why must things get worse as we age?
Then you can't be seiba. I'm sorry. You won't get any ginger dickings.
Zouken would never enter the war so long as he doesn't know about Shirou and Sakura's relationship and the fact that Kirei still had a servant. Bazett is always destined to be killed by Kotomine since he's the only reason she's in the war at all. If Jubstacheit could fight in the war he would have already done so. That pimp still would have been killed by Caster. Them being in the war doesn't change anything since the war will still be fucked.
why would someone do that?
>you'll never be a fat cunt who cosplays as seibah at disneyland
It's okay, anon. I'll still love you even if you aren't a cute little magical king arthur grill.
I don't understand cosplaying in general.
>And your pic related was probably the most incompetent Master ever shown in the entire franchise.
Depends on the context. Cosplaying at an anime convention, for example, has basically the same reason as dressing up for Halloween.
That Seibah probably just thought it would be amusing to do the Sword in the Stone thing as Saber.
>the more people understand a true magic, the less effective it becomes
No, not really.
True magic is just like all other magic, except that what it does is completely impossible and can't actually happen.
it doesn't deserve more than Gae Bolg.
B is already pretty good.
> the most incompetent Master ever shown in the entire franchise
More like he had the most incompetent servant in the franchise.
>have to use all your command spells right away to stop her from betraying and enslaving you
>instead of enslaving you she kills you both just in spite
The pimp master had no chance.
Souchiriou did a better job and he isn't even a magus. Hell even Shinji, despite having no mana, is better than this shitskin retard as for all of his faults Shinji was at least able to prevent Rider from killing him.
0/10 Master would betray.
Anon, look at the people who defeated him.
In Fate, it was because Saber had the ultimate defense in Avalon. In UBW, it was because Shirou's Reality Marble was a natural counter against Gilgamesh. In HF, it was because Sakura was the fucking Grail and her shadows have a +50 advantage against Servants.
None of the other Servants or Masters have anything that could beat him.
Yeah. Literally all the guy had to do was trust Medea. She's all tragic backstory and shit but all she really wants is people to not freak out that she's a witch.
Right at the start she told that nigger she had the war in the bag and all he had to do was wait for her to win. She wasn't lying, look at how she acts with Kung Fu Professor.
>dedicate your entire life to doing something
>Your slave does it 10 times better and shows you up completely
Can you not even understand why he would just be a little bit upset?
Nice quads though
Shirou had a decent head on his shoulders and his competence shot straight up whenever things got really bad. He doesn't have the potential to become Archer for nothing. You're overplaying his incompetence.
>Can you not even understand why he would just be a little bit upset?
Nope, he should have used that time to learn from her, or at the very least attempt to learn from her. Instead he pimpslaps her and runs to the church like a bitch.
Well when you put it that way it makes sense.
All of those were one-on-one fights. Hell, none of Gil's fights in either FSN or Zero have him defending himself against multiple attackers.
If other Servants team up, they might have a chance.
He didn't even waste command spells.
He only formulated one wrong and Caster cut her contract with him so the other's weren't effective.
And Gordes is the only Master who's servant commits suicide out of his own will.
>>She's a grade A sociopath in her legends.
Open to interpretation. Some poets/playwrights/philosophers place the blame on Jason for putting her in impossible situations.
She's the hero of Euripides' play and she spends all of that planning multiple murders, then acts heroically triumphant at the end when she rides off in the chariot of the sun god.
>Waste command spells on trying to enslave your servant instead of winning her over with compassion and respect
>piss servant off by belittling, insulting and physically abusing her
>squander her talents and refuse to listen to her advice because you're ass devastated that she's better at magic than you
He had a great shot at winning. Unfortunately he was a incompetent retard so he pissed it away by being an arrogant, petty sack of shit.
>he should have used that time to learn from her, or at the very least attempt to learn from her.
He's too proud to do that. He clearly thought he was hot shit for making that pansy-ass crystal from what, five liquified lolis? But Medea showed him he wasn't, and his pride couldn't handle that.
>That's to be expected if you summon CASTER
Yes, it is. In addition to being a prideful son of a bitch and probably a bit of a misogynist
inb4 people start shouting tumblr, he's a goddamn idiot for not realizing that.
inb4 people start shouting tumblr
The guy has a harem and his first reaction to Medea showing him up was to use a seal then punch her in the face. Pretty sure you are fine from tumblr accusation.
Winning the war of love.
I know Caster Class is generally considered a shit because 'lol not a knight class' but considering the quality of the other masters, Caster's god-tier magic skills and her eagerness and skill at bending/outright breaking the rules for her own benefit he had an great shot at the grail.
Too bad he dun' fucked it up.
I'd say she's the one with the highest odds of beating Berserker/Gil if she plays her cards right. Getting the other servants with rule-breaker, starting with the weaker ones, and eventually overpowering the stronger ones with quantity over quality.
Sure beats not being able to do anything to those two like most of the others.
Because that was motherfucking Gilgamesh. He values decisive actions, not platitudes.
Meanwhile Medea was a woman who was dicked over by a man who she cared about but who never actually cared about her. You win her over by showing her that you actually DO care.
Runes aren't really inherently better than other forms of magecraft. You'd probably be just as well off learning runes from Cu as you would be learning Kabbalah from Avicebron or Alchemy from Paracelus.
You realise that servants are individuals with unique personalities right? Just because one master got betrayed in the last war doesn't mean you should go full retard and treat your new servant as fucking Iago right from the get go.
In any case it's a hell of a lot smarter to try and win over your servant by treating them as an equal and valued partner than to piss away a precious command spell because you're an obnoxious, egotistical shit.
They aren't even the best rune masters in Irish mythology much less Celtic mythology.
And everyone knows how to acquire rune knowledge.
Just gotta hang yourself from a tree like Odin did.
Irish heroes are one of the most annoying heroes ever and have a ton of inconvenient weaknesses due to stupid promises they make.
Sorry but instead of a competent Servant, you would have a Servant that you could barely control because MUH GEASS MUH TABOO.
What I recall from Chinese mythology is that Chinese casters are pretty nice and chill people and don't really do betrayals like Greek Casters do.
If you ever wanted a Caster class, pick one from Asia rather than Europe.
He's saying the problem is that they have SO GODDAMN MANY weaknesses.
Really, everybody in Fate knew that Lancer was Cu Chulainn. All Shirou had to do to guarantee a win against him when the time came was have Rin offer him dog meat.
Read Irish mythology. Irish heroes can barely stay loyal to their own lord and are unable to fuck them over in some way.
There has never been an Irish hero that had zero beef or drama with his lord.
Being able to bro it up with best husbando is its own reward.
Medea is like the ultimate fucking Caster, you can make up a proper strategy if working together with her to fuck up everyone else and win
disregard hero faggots and bitches, kill every idiot that falls right in your traps for being retarded morons
>muh battle lust
Are you retarded? He killed his son because both had a geass that forced it.
Son couldn't name himself and had to enter the town, Cu had to kill anyone who tried to enter the town without naming themselves.
If Medea had a good master, she might have been able to hack the Greater Grail since with one look, she understood everything about the Grail System which is likely inferior to her Age of God magic.
you could abuse rule breaker on the other servants easily
the whole point of the Caster class is to cheat your way to victory, if you want proper 1 vs 1 fights, then go and exchange your servant with someone else
>which is likely inferior to her Age of God magic.
Not necessarily. The Grail runs on modern True Magic, which is actually beyond the scope of anything from the Age of Gods.
But those parts of the Grail are largely autonomous. And she proves she can take advantage of those even if she doesn't understand the True Magic itself by breaking the rules and summoning Assassin.
Wasn't there a famous Greek Caster that was also the Best Doctor ever and could actually bring dead people back to life that it even pissed off Hades who tried to ban the Greek doctor from reviving the dead with no consequences?
well, in one ending she claims to have acquired the Grail (that one where Shirou ends in a test tube or something) so I suppose her magic skills must be even beyond what the Grail could even offer, and by that, I mean magic cancer
>l runs on modern True Magic, which is actually beyond the scope of anything from the Age of Gods.
 True Magic is just remaining magic that science and technology hasnt' been able to replicate yet.
It's not really better than Age of God magic.
>break the rule
>summon Honda Tadakatsu
>win the war
Why is it so easy?
>Tadakatsu is often referred to as "The Warrior who surpassed Death itself" because he never once suffered a significant wound, despite being the veteran of over 100 battles by the end of his life, and because he was never defeated by another samurai. In theater and other contemporary works, Tadakatsu is often characterized as polar opposite of Ieyasu's other great general, Ii Naomasa. While both were fierce warriors of the Tokugawa, Tadakatsu's ability to elude injury is often contrasted with the common depiction of Naomasa enduring many battle wounds, but fighting through them."
It typically the kind of shits Nasu has a boner for.
Negatory, he got captured by Avicebron after Vlad immobilized him.
Atlanta beat the shit out of him but it's debatable if Spartacus let her do it intentionally to power up.
When he actually went serious he slapped the shit out of Jeanne.
Asclepius, myth claims Zeus shot a lightning bolt for being a faggot and asking for gold when he revived people
other versions say Hades asked his bro to fry him because no more dead spirits would arrive to his realm
In UBW she actually have the most concrete shot at winning the war than everybody in the whole game.
The fact alone of breaking/bending the Master/Servant contract puts her among the potentially best Servants from a tactical point of view.
But with Shirou "shounen protagonist miracles" and Doctor Gil bullshit around the whole thing was pretty much meaningless for the get go
,which is the whole point of it afterall.
They're True Magic BECAUSE they've never been figured out, even back in the Age of Gods.
If the Age of Gods could have figured out how to materialize a soul, then Heaven's Feel would not be a True Magic. If they figured out how to operate parallel worlds, then Kaleidoscope would not be a True Magic.
u w0t m8. Acht can only sit in his castle and make up THE BESTEST PLANS TO FUCK UP HGW EVER and Zouken showed how shit he was in HF. Nevermind that they'd both just jack off to their qt homunculus waifu anyway. Bazett and Achtung Baby both made the same mistake by completely trusting Kotomine. That said, I wouldn't mind watching Team Cu wreck everyone's shit.
Bazett was a moron because she knew Kotomine was evil but was one of those "maybe I can change him" people.
Atram just assumed he was doing his part as the impartial mediator and had no reason not to trust him.
And then they summoned an Indian Caster.
>Bazett was a moron because she knew Kotomine was evil
More like he was the only person she could relate to. He would most likely not have killed her if she didn't summon Cu, since her his goal fun.
Bazett is one of those "Hard on the outside.lonely on the inside" people right? Did she think Kotomine was her friend because they hung out on work assignments a lot before he got involved with the chruch?
Well Nobunaga IS in the Imperial Holy Grail Strange Saga in Koha-Ace, so...
I don't know if she thought they were friends, but she had a massive crush on the guy.
Not that I blame her
Bazett is one of those people that is forever alienated by everyone, because she is weird.
Bazett meet Koto on work, but the thing is, that is not a special thing, because she meets with a lot of people while working. Sure, most of them die, but a lot don't.
She thought of Kotomine as a friend because she befriended him. Its just a shame that Kotomine has a personality type that makes him a awful friend.
He would've ended in a test tube like Shirou did in a bad end if he trusted Medea. There's a route where Medea kills Souichirou too just because and you couldn't gan more trust than Souichirou did.
The only option if you accidentally summon Medea is to instantly use all 3 command spells to kill her and then escape to the ends of the earth so that the rest of the masters won't find you.
>because he was a dipshit
She's more at fault than her original master was.
He was content to sit back and watch as the other masters killed eachother, which didn't sit well with Caster despite being a perfectly valid strategy. She ultimately convinced him to waste his command spells and promptly murdered him with Rule Breaker.
Honda Tadakatsu in Japan
Tombo Giri: The sacred Spear of Japan Rank B anti unit
The Warrior who surpassed Death itself Rank A, probably bullshit on the level on God Hand.
Generally i try to forget the Koha Ace characters for obvious reasons.
>Caster cares about chilluns
Wait, I thought Caster was supposed to be evil?
>dad tries to tell her what to do
>runs away from home, murders her little brother and then throws his chunks at her pursuing father
>kill your kids, the adulteress' father, the adulteress herself and then your husband
She takes no shit from anyone. She's like the Ange of Ancient Greece.