Says the prole who thinks Lincoln wasn't a gangster and a war criminal whose Presidency should have been terminated at gunpoint the moment he declared martial law in Maryland and disbanded the Supreme Court illegally and in violation of the US Constitution. Your idol is a monster, and every rape and death committed by the pack of animals he set loose is on your head as well as his. Satan take you and the US too.
>>124054268 Oh hey a redneck. Your kind makes me glad to have been born in the Ohio county that gave us both General Sherman and General Sheridan. I hear they had some mighty fine BBQs in Georgia and South Carolina.
>>124054344 >Northern states going bankrupt and bleeding population >Southern states in an economic boom with all the jobs
You done real good there, future carpetbagger. C'mon down, we'll show you a real good time. Isn't Ohio where COBRA headquarters is? I admit I don't know much about that place, except it's where proto-Nazis come from and nobody can find it on a map.
>>124054485 >They wanted to separate from the union and that constitutes treason. No it doesn't. The states each joined the Union willingly that means they can leave whenever they want. But let's say that was treason. That doesn't mean a thing. The American revolution was an act of treason. Would you say that America is bad? I doubt it since we both just agreed here>>124054418 and here>>124054459 that it's the best country ever.
>>124054490 The cult of YHWH went to very great lengths after the Babylonian diaspora to ensure mention of other Hebrew gods was excised from history, but they forgot the Persian records. There's enough contemporary sources to conclude the Hebrews were quite polytheistic for a very long time, until it was abruptly stamped out in favor of a single deity. Parallels what happened to the Arabs pre-Islam rather well.
Why is every Arslan thread littered with white trash cock sucking Americans discussing how they like to fuck their State in the ass while screaming USA! USA! than actual thread discussion about the anime.
Are these the same retards every time, or something about this show somehow attracts these rednecks out of their hick shacks?
>>124054549 The American Revolution was a response to violations of personal liberty by the British government. The Southern secession was born from a desire to continue violating personal liberties of slaves.
>>124054567 Oil prices can drop all they want to, it's not oil we're pumping, just your mom. Meanwhile, we're getting fat paid on natural gas sales while you scrape by on whatever Big Government leaves you while your meager paycheck goes to handouts for niggers and illegals. You've built quite the nation, you have, but it's dying around you now and we're going to be its salvation, if we don't just leave you to die in that polluted shithole north of the Mason-Dixon line.
>>124054650 >The Southern secession was born from a desire to continue violating personal liberties of slaves. Wrong, the Southern Seccession was born from a fear that on top of large tarrifs that were harming the Southern economy but may try to cripple it entirely by taking away the source of most of their wealth, slavery. A terrible system I agree. But you know whats worse? What they did to the South.
>>124054700 Too bad the Midwest is the center of fracking and not the South. I'm not surprised you're so stupid though, given that states like Alabama and Mississippi have the worst education in the nation.
Oh and FYI, the South receives the most welfare in the nation. Funny how the states run by right-wingers who complain about those on welfare have the most white trash welfare cases in the nation.
>>124054636 The surviving copies of the first edition Tanakh which weren't in Israel or Judah to be burned by the YHWH cult, for starters. The current iteration of the Tanakh is the second edition, published after the Babylon diaspora and after the YHWH cult became the only officially-recognized Hebrew sect.
I think you mean Texas and Pennsylvania, but go ahead and keep thinking the marginal shale in the Midwest is even a blip in production. As for the welfare bit, it's because in spite of their smaller brains, niggers are smart enough to not live in the North.
>>124054922 Because it was settled by Yankees and Mexicans, neither of whom wanted anything to do with the failed slave economy. And it was a frontier State admitted into the Union just before the Civil War- only reason it even had enough people living there to become a state was the gold rush.
>>124054948 Tell it to Maryland, you hypocritical fuck. You cocksuckers bleat about "essential liberties" and then worship a terrorist monarch that willingly stripped it from citizens of the US on a whim. John Wilkes Booth was a fucking hero.
>>124054997 >Midwest doesn't even start until the west end of the Appalachians and the Ohio Valley. Western PA is part of the Allegheny Plateau along with most of Ohio, and Pittsburgh falls in the Ohio River drainage basin. Learn some fucking geology before spouting shit.
Please tell me who elected Jefferson Davis to lead the Confederacy. Last I checked, they never had any elections and he ruled by decree. Lincoln on the other hand won a war-time reelection in spite of unpopular policies related to the war.
>>124055247 You also decided the 49th parallel border has to be really straight. Leaving places like Points Roberts in very awkward places. Or towns like Stuart that is divided by the border down the middle.
>>124054948 If by essential liberties you mean life, liberty and property I couldn't agree more. However, whereas the South was violating the essential liberty of slaves, the North was hindering the Southern economy with tariffs. As to whether is worse between violating property rights and violating a human being's liberty? Well, our founding fathers seemed to believe that property rights was of a greater value or at least an evil that justifies more action against that slavery.
Still not a "never", cornheads, and at least ours never threw out his Constitution to declare himself a tyrant and then get off scot-free about it. If the US was the saint it always wanted people to think, it'd have tried Lincoln for treason and impeached him the second the ink on Appomattox was dry. Instead, you forced the nation to venerate a war criminal while castigating people for far less crimes, crippled our states, held us under military governorship, tried to "reeducate" us, and we hate you for it and will hate you forever for it. When we rise again, when you're at your weakest, we'll be showing you that same mercy.
>>124055458 >Still not a "never", cornheads, and at least ours never threw out his Constitution to declare himself a tyrant and then get off scot-free about it. Because your "provisional" constitution already gave him those powers, dickhead. And you'll never rise again, you'll be overrun by Mexicans coming to reclaim Texas in the next 30 years or so, so you better start learning Spanish.
>>124055503 >I'm sure they would have sided with the North in the civil war.
I dunno, m8. The definition of the union was pretty vague back then. While they may have agreed with the north's ethical views on slavery i'm not sure how the majority of them would feel about the federal government forcing members of what was intended to be a consenting union of states (which were viewed as independent powers) leaving said union of their own free will.
>>124055590 It doesn't really matter as a nation shouldn't be held to the views of the aristocracy that founded it, especially when many of the writers of the constitution advocated for scrapping it and writing a new one every 50 years or so.
>>124055590 The Articles of Confederation were thrown out for a reason. Considering how I already noted they were willing to let slavery persist to save the Union, no doubt they'd allow some small transgressions to keep the Union whole in the war.
>>124055636 I actually don't agree with states rights (nor do I really give a shit what the founding fathers wanted) and think the view is archaic but you shouldn't invoke the founding fathers without understanding that they basically saw the union as 13 states agreeing to work together. >>124055660 >in the war We're talking about after the war, nimrod. I suspect the vast majority of them would be upset about secession but would agree that its a natural right of the state if they don't agree the governing laws are just, especially concerning economic issues. That is, literally, why they rebelled the first place.
>>124055660 >>124055503 Some of the founding fathers opposed slavery, doesn't mean they would put that above the principle of being opposed to tyranny. To most of them the states all willingly joined the union and if justified, could leave if they saw it in their best interests.
>>124055660 Is implying that they would allow concessions, such as allowing slavery they didn't agree with, to maintain a united front against the british during the american revolution.
I'm saying that when the events of the civil war occurred (after the american revolution), there was no significant outside threat looming. As such, most founding fathers would probably support a state's right to leave the union of states whenever they so chose for whatever reasons were agreed upon.
>>124055913 And yet, after the war when the Constitution was being drafted, slavery was still allowed, despite most founding fathers being against it. The infamous three fifths compromise is part of this. I'm saying that since they valued unity over ending slavery even after the Revolution, they'd probably support the North.
>>124056049 >they valued unity over ending slavery And they valued their principles of forming a non-tyrannical government over unity. It's clear from the American Revolution that most would agree with the South.
>>124056049 I don't think they valued unity to the extent that it should be treated as an act of war for a state attempt to leave the union. I think they would find that unjust. They believed that they were entitled to leave Britain for perceived discrimination.
You might say that it was a matter solely of representation. I don't really believe a seat in parliament would have changed that, considering it wouldn't have led to significant policy changes involving the american colonies.
>>124053330 That's what the fucking Northerners and liberals want you to think. It was actually over the destruction of states rights by the federal govt. Lincoln didn't even make it about slavery until the war was underway.
>>124056215 Perhaps I'm just forgetful but I'm pretty sure that was never explicitly stated in either documents. But I'll assume that's true. The British code of laws (not sure what to call them) obviously denied the right to secede. The American colonies weren't stopped by that when their rights were violated.
>>124056305 >>124056308 The Articles refer to a "perpetual union" which would rule out secession in the view of most, and the Constitution gives Congress the right to suppress "insurrections" which would include secession
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