>"You're all you had and you couldn't even love yourself!"
Well I fucked up the OP, but, I've never understood this. I've read/heard variations on this but it doesn't make sense to me. How can you love yourself if you can only see your own flaws? Are you supposed to ignore them? How would accepting yourself ever help anything?
Tl;dr, what the fuck's this supposed to mean?
This is one of the major themes of Eva. You need to both see your flaws and love yourself anyways. You will never be ideal. You will always be imperfect. But if you simply dwell on those flaws, you will never be able to move past them or learn to deal with them, because you will simply wallow in them.
So like, take the mentality of 'oh yeah, he can be a fag sometimes, but he's still a cool dude' and apply it to yourself instead of others?
Rather, don't try to hold yourself to a higher standard than you would others, and accept that people will like you regardless of your flaws because of your positives that you might not be able to see yourself?
Essentially. Because we would all just hate each other if we focused on our negatives.
Wallowing is becoming mired in a problem. It's becoming so caught up with something that it utterly prevents you from functioning. It's never good.
>Why didn't asuka just rape shinji?
OP here, I recently just watched the entire series and EoE after not doing so for years. It's pretty good. I enjoyed it, and it has some pretty interesting things. There are a lot of things I couldn't fully parse about the story, and unless someone else helps to explain it to me, I'm probably gonna have to rewatch the ending of EoE a couple times.
So then the reason Asuka hates Shinji, or rather is disgusted by his behavior is because he's constantly seeking validation from other people before himself, placing himself in direct contrast to her self-driven, 'I'll decide what to believe' mentality?
You should think over and try to find the answers on your own before consulting others. You'll be better off that way even if you don't get it completely right, as you'll be able to make your knowledge your own.
So the question then becomes, would Shinji have been accepted by Asuka if he accepted himself? His father even?
Misato? Did Misato even accept him? I always saw her as pitying him, and not ever really acting as herself around him, but rather trying to act in a way as such to foster the development of his own self-worth - meaning she never truly acknowledged him.
Speaking of which, when she
kisses himin EoE, do you guys think that she actually would have been okay with / had the desire to love him in a physical wayas is what seems to be her default?
Misato kinda seems like her character was partially based around her being a very sexual person and being made to feel ashamed of the way that she felt most comfortable connecting with others.
Am I missing anything?
They're two sides of the same coin, both seeking the same thing from two different approaches. Shinji shrunk into himself, deciding he wasn't worth validation. Asuka rammed herself into other people's faces, demanding validation.
The one thing I totally could not figure out is why he tries to choke Asuka. It didn't really seem to make any sense considering he just willingly made the choice to give everyone back their own self identity.
When it comes to figuring stuff out, I work best when I have a sounding board. Figured /a/ was a decent place to do it. You guys can be insightful when you're not all being fags.
Misato came onto him earlier in the series, but she also knew for a fact she was going to die there. It was an empty promise and both she and Shinji knew she was just saying it to try and motivate him to do anything other than sit on the ground and await death.
That's what I figured, it seemed like she was just doing her best to throw a last ditch effort at getting Shinji to give a fuck about SOMETHING, even if it was just sex. It sorta depresses me to think that though, because it feels like that means that at that moment she lost all faith in Shinji, kinda.
When did she come onto him earlier in the series? Like, I believe you, I just can't think of an exact moment.
Bresson, Tarkovsky, Godard, Bergman...While they aforementioned have come close, none of their works have managed to achieve the level of profoundness, intelligence, and depth found in the masterpiece, End of Evangelion.
Will any director ever be able to match Hideaki Anno's genius?
>So the question then becomes, would Shinji have been accepted by Asuka if he accepted himself? His father even?
Not immediately, at the very least. Every character in Evangelion has their own host of issues and problems that prevent them from connecting with others. That said, even one healthy character might have been capable of helping the others with their own set of mental traumas. Though I really can't say for certain.
>Speaking of which, when she kisses him in EoE, do you guys think that she actually would have been okay with / had the desire to love him in a physical way as is what seems to be her default?
On some level, probably, but she probably wouldn't have followed through. She was just giving in to her own weaknesses in her final moments.
>The one thing I totally could not figure out is why he tries to choke Asuka. It didn't really seem to make any sense considering he just willingly made the choice to give everyone back their own self identity.
As I said before, there are many possible answers to that question. Its probably best for you to parse it out on your own for awhile, or at least offer some of your own initial ideas before people respond to them. There are also a number of analyses that you could find online if you like.
Episode 23, B part. After Rei dies, Shinji is depressed sitting in his room and Misato goes to comfort him the only way she knows how. She goes to reach towards his hand and he shrinks away, yells at her, and then she apologizes and quickly leaves the room.
People like to post the image from that scene of the chair symbolizing Shinji's dick quite a lot.
Oh shit, I just realized that's kinda fucked up. Because he looks down on the way Misato is able to connect with people (through sex) he ends up pushin--
Wait, I just realized, every fucking person in Eva basically has the same fucking problem. They all are trying to connect with each other, but can't and/or won't for almost the exact same reasons. Asuka can't connect with Shinji, because she's assertive, which closes off Shinji, and he seeks outward validation, which disgusts, Asuka. Misato tries to connect to him through sex, which is how she is able to feel connected, but Shinji pushes her away because that disgusts him. The irony being, if they stopped all being triple-niggers, they'd be happy.
Did I just solve the puzzle, holy shit.
what episode was that quote from and at what time?
Congratulations, you discovered the Hedgehog's Dilemma. That's the main theme of the show.
There are more, don't worry.
Maybe it's okay for me to be here!
I realize you may actually feel this way, but think about how edgy it sounds when you type it out for everyone else to see.
Also get better taste in vidya.
i dont give a fuck what you degenerate horny nerds think. go rub your dicks on your computer screens and delude yourselves about your shitty slut waifus more.
At best, a few of us will hobble across the "finish line" in a zombified state after a life of wageslavery and isolation.
However, I don't think the isolation is too bad at all.
But no one could ever truly understand me
>implying anyone would want to understand an awkward autist such as yourself
I hate myself.
But, I might be able to love myself. I might be allowed to stay here. Yes. I am nothing but I. I am I. I wish to be I. I wish to stay here as do I. I can stay here as do I!
Thank you all!
but i don't even go there exceptbto shitpost.
im roo edgy to waste ny life talking wurh stupid random fuck heads who can onlt cry about being lonely all day or babbling about sex bullshit.
you whiny fucks are no different tben anyone else.
except for edgelords like me.
if you don't care though why rey?
>The one thing I totally could not figure out is why he tries to choke Asuka.
Shinji had been out of the tang for a while without seeing anybody. He finally sees Asuka and he doesn't believe, so he chokes her so she'll respond by rejecting him, to validate that he isn't back in the goop. Except she doesn't reject him, but caresses his hand, and tells him those famous words of "how disgusting".
If you're a person that can't forgive your own flaws, then the moment you find flaws in other people, you won't be able to forgive them. If you do, you're just a hypocrit that hates himself or attention.
Shinji is a symbol of human weakness, yet you still want him to succeed. You want him to be happy, despite the fact that he's a flawed character. If you can love Shinji, you can love yourself.
>usage of an uncommon word means the speaker is pretentious
Well I'll be damned.
>And you still haven't explained what you meant
You have an internet connection, you can google it for all I care.
Having to love yourself to love someone else is a platitude of the lowest sort, being an oft-hawked around phrase that is meant to be vaguely comforting and offer some sort of answer. In reality, it's just more boring tripe that spews forth from the mouth of disinterested and/or frankly retarded individuals who want to say something about the topic of love, but ultimately cannot be assed to even put an ounce of originality into their observations. Furthermore, it isn't even right, working from a practical perspective, as "love" is pretty subjective and what can be considered "love" will vary from person to person to some degree.
I shouldn't have to craft up some dissertation just so you can understand what should have been an easily conveyed point.
>If you can love Shinji, you can love yourself.
Shinji managed to move past his problems though and forgive others of theirs, he's a better person than most of us.
You may find your own flaws unforgivable and another's flaws forgivable depending on your values, it doesn't necessarily make you a hypocrite. Really the paradox is how you can accept anyone's love for who you are when you yourself can't love who you are.
Shinji ultimately couldn't get close to anybody because he hated himself and believed that if others knew who he really was they would hate him as well. He was merely projecting his self-hatred onto everyone around him.
>close up of Shinji's hand occurs throughout the series to show his self-worth
>clenched hands for determination, dangling for defeated, you get the idea
>despite how opportunistic Shinji was and hpw vulnerable as Asuka was in this situation, Shinji still doesn't go any further than rolling her on her back
>he cums in his hand, showing how he'd rather degrade himself and his hand rather than degrade Asuka further, as well as emphasizing how he's at his lowest point
Solving the hedgehog dilemma is easy though.