When he goes Red, he becomes a Specialist who can use all nen abilities at 100%.
Chrollo's a Specialist whose primary power appears to be the ability to take other peoples nen power, but his real power is still unknown. He was able to move Nobunaga without him knowing and he didn't have his book out.
>>124553617 >you can't be in 2 different categories unless you have Kurapika hax All specialists are technically 2 categories since no humans start as a specialist and you become one later on. Chrollo was probably a conjurer originally.
Of course Chimera Ants can be specialists from birth but they're different.
>>124553686 This, most emission abilities we've seen have some sort of manipulation to it (and vice versa) and enhancement is the best for basic combat Transmuters don't have the same luck because you can't really incorporate conjuration with it
>>124556521 So? An enhancer would have no chance against a higher power level opponent except by training until he eventually is at that level. It can be any downside, and the hatsu still scales with the user's power level, and don't forget Kurapika has other powers besides chain jail.
>>124556676 Yes, but only with the downsides of standing still, charging the attack, using extra aura/energy, and using kou, weakening the rest of his body. It's not like conjurers who can use restrictions/rules in the creation of their weapon in the first place. Knuckle's over-confidence is what gave Gon the ghost of a chance of actually hitting him with the charged jajanken, and Morau was just testing him and letting him charge it.
>>124556829 I'm just saying that an enhancer does stand a chance against a stronger opponent given the right circumstances, just like conjurers. Also Gon had another opportunity to hit him with the charged jajanken in combat, he just ran out of stamina a few seconds before.
>>124556913 >I'm just saying that an enhancer does stand a chance against a stronger opponent given the right circumstances, just like conjurers. Yeah but conjurers create those circumstances for themselves, whereas enhancers rely on nen from allies or other sources (like the cards gon used to beat gensuru)
>>124557286 yeah but that's stuff like "stand here and charge this attack and expose myself for a long time for a really strong hit" and "rotate my arm 10 times for a stronger hit" and "sacrifice myself for a higher power level" Not stuff to gain situational advantages. In general I think enhancers are the great in team situations but weaker in 1v1s where other nen types (especially conjurer and transmuter) can just give themselves an advantage with their hatsu.
Though conjurer abilities can also be straightforward, like crazy slot just summoning really strong weapons.
>>124557395 Enhancement can enhance a weapon or your body Transmutation can change the properties of your aura into fire and electricity Conjuration can make your aura into physical objects Emission can allow you to separate your aura from your body Manipulation allows you to control everything
>>124557539 It's the opposite, Kurapika's master explained it, enhancers are the strongest in 1v1 fights because they hit stronger and take less damage even if you're at the same level Conjurers can only get the upper hand with huge restrictions, like Kite's inability to chose his weapon or change it before using it, or Kurapika's pledge The only way for any nen user to beat a stronger opponent is through the restriction/condition system, if you were an enhancer and had an ability that would make you twice as strong/fast and give you tons of aura but that you could only use like once a year, you could probably beat an opponent much stronger than you with it
>>124557736 I know he said that but I think things turned out differently. I think when Togashi wrote that he was still perhaps thinking from the ''conjurers can't make anything a normal human can't make'' perspective and he was still intending the nen contract Kurapika used to make his hatsu powerful as special and unique, when later it turned out basically all conjurers do something similar. The only time we've actually seen an enhancer do well in 1v1 is Gon-san I think?
>>124558018 I was talking about a regular brawl, with no hatsu involved. By the time of their last fight, Knuckle and Gon dealt pretty much as much damage as eachother, even if Gon wasn't as good as him. If Kurapika's master taught him that making a covenant could make shit stronger, it probably was going to be a pretty basic rule, why would it be special? Also, except for Gon who is like 13 and still somewhat average, most enhancers we saw fighting had the upper hand >Uvogin after he went all out until he got caught by Kurapika >Youpi who was barely damaged after all the hits he took and could have killed Knuckle in one punch even with Potclean on him >Phinks killing that guy with one enhanced punch >Gon-san as you mentionned
>>124560869 Wasnt Netero the same? Conjuring the buddah Manipulating the buddah Emmitting his 0 hand Enhancing its toughness and speed Did his technique involve any transmuting though? How does Conjuration and Transmutation not go hand in hand? your changing your Aura into an object. or different form. is conjuration just for physical objects?
It seems like most high level users actually use several different categories at once in exchange of "locking themselves" into a very strict manifestation of power compared to the more versatile but type restricted stuff like electricity emission.
>>124561858 Not that anon, but that remembers me of when I started reading I pronounced Killua's name Kill-You-Are. I never considered that to had to sound japanese because the names aren't in the first place.
How's this for a power and system of restrictions?
>Category: Manipulation >Condition 1: I must tell you to shut up, not to speak, recommend that you be silent, etc. You must hear me say this. >Condition 2: You must disobey me and talk anyway. I must hear you speak. >Condition 3: If you speak out loud and I don't hear you, you are released from the recommendation. >Condition 4: The recommendation cannot be made to the same person twice in a row. >Clarification: If the recommendation is made to more than one person at a time, it is considered to have been made in the order by which it is heard (nearest person first and so on).
The manipulator then gains control of the subject and can issue instructions. These instructions must be made verbally and must be heard. Once the manipulator gains control of the subject, the only way for the subject to be released is if the manipulator dies or chooses to/is forced to release the subject.
Conjuration is OP as fuck because it basically carry specialist traits by almost default. Unlike true specialist traits, most of the things a conjurer can do can be used for battle so you are safer on conjurer than specialist.
>>124570770 >Conjuration is OP as fuck because it basically carry specialist traits by almost default. What the fuck am i reading Conjuration is shit tier unless you have some strict as fuck conditions that put you in danger everytime you use your ability
>>124571472 Biscuit isn't even actually a transmutter. Her powers are more enhancer than anything. She would be stronger if she was enhancer. Zeno is more emission than anything. He would be stronger if he was an emitter, just like Silva would too.
>>124571674 >a bunch of energy going after the enemy >not better being emission generic energy for faster and more power instead of whatever fire or other property it has How he would not be better than as emitter? The basic working would be the same but with a bit more power.
>>124571552 Plus 8 hours of sleep can be done in 30 minutes. You have 7h30min extra hours per day to watch vietnamite cartoons. For a 80 years life expectancy, you just turned yourself into the equivalent of a 118 years old by the time of your death. >Wake up 6:00 am, do everything you want until 5:30 am, sleep, wake up 6:00 am.
>>124572115 I don't think they follow the basic rules that every other category follows, including strengths and weaknesses. It's only stated that they're down at the bottom because Manipulation and Conjuration have the best chance at developing into Specialization auras.
>>124560994 So, wait. Netero is a confirmed Enhancer, but the 100 Type Guanyin Bodhisattva is Conjuration technique, right? Why would he need a Manipulation technique to control it? Most manipulators stand still and stick needles or something in order to gain control of the target; Netero did not stick anything into the Bodhisattva and he used hand motions to control it.
Anyways, it seemed to me that he conjures up that shit and enhanced it to be stronger and faster. His 0 Hand attack seemed to like a combination of emission and transmutation; he changes his aura into "light" and then fires it.
Speaking about emission, is it possible to have some sort of teleportation technique? Short range teleportation, and teleportation of a specific body part to avoid damage (think "coolest guy" in Nardo). Fast enough so that it can only be rivaled by Killua's Godspeed.
>>124572995 We've seen actual teleportation, Chrollo and that boxer guy in GI used it (even if it only was possible in an enhanced ring or some shit, it still happened) I assume Chrollo can only use it on other Troupe members in specific cases, else he'd also have used it on Zeno
>>124573222 >>124573245 Oh yeah, I remeber that guy in Greed Island. His technique basically becomes Leorio's. And I can't recall Chrollo ever using this, mind being specific?
And I just realized something. Couldn't Emperor Time rival Chrollo's Bandit Book? I mean, I don't think Gon would mind telling Kurapika how to perform a Jajanken. And Leorio's technique is even more straightfoward; if he is anything like Ging in that he can discern the nen type of a techinique, Kurapika is beyond broken. Hell, in ET he could Enhance his chain to the point where just a fling could crush someone's bones and greatly injure an enhancer.
>>124573768 >His technique basically becomes Leorio's. Leorio has to punch a surface and it's not instant teleportation, but it has more range It's not exactly the same >Couldn't Emperor Time rival Chrollo's Bandit Book? There was something about "levels" of skill over the different categories, even during ET Kurapika's punches would be weaker than an actual enhancer, it's just that it's about twice as strong as it normally would Also i don't think you can "copy" hatsus without an ability or being Ging >>124573940 You're right, my bad, i just checked the manga
>>124573219 >pretty funny how emission is 2nd weakest to you when netero was the strongest hunter we've ever seen Because he was naturally strong as fuck either way. If he was enhancer he would probably just punch the ground and shatter the land. You can have a manipulator that can manipulate the heart itself to make it stop without a lot of restriction but still manipulation would be so strong. In average, emission is just not that great. If you have enhancement and a gun you are almost an enhancer by default. Same for a conjurer with bullets with some special property. Enhancers are just the least useful ability overall. Still better than manipulator as how rare great manipulation skills seem to be.
>>124574309 >Enhancers are just the least useful ability overall. Enhancement has been explained many times, there's a reason Kurapika wanted to be an enhancer It's the most balanced of all the categories, it has the best offensive/defensive abilities and that's just the simple shit, more "complex" enhancement can improve your healing factor or make you able to kill someone just with a scream like Uvo
>>124575661 Emission is like a lesser version of Conjuration but with better synergy with other categories, enhancement for basic combat and manipulation because it works really well with emitted abilities, like Razor's or Goreinu's
>>124573768 Chrollo teleports the samurai whatever the fuck his name was when he tries to attack another member of the Ryodan And sure, Kurapika could probably learn a lot of things with time, although I doubt he could learn all. Chrollo just has to steal it, he doesn't need to know how it works in the same way.
>>124574154 Not exactly. Kurapika can bring out 100%. Say someone who's enhancement trains himself to level 10, and Kurapika also trains himself to level 10 in enhancement, Kurapika would only be able to bring out 40% because of his category, meaning he'd be the same as a level 4 enhancement. With his ability he can bring out 100%, it's op as shit.
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