I'm watching Otorimonogatari now and Nadeko actually did nothing wrong, fuck you guys.
>I was only 9 years old
>I loved snake so much, I had all the merchandise and pantsu
>I pray to snake every night before bed, thanking her for the life I've been given
>"Snake is love" I say; "snake is life"
>My crab hears me and calls me a faggot
>I know she was just jealous of my devotion for snake
>I called her a cunt
>She slaps me and sends me to go to sleep
>I'm crying now, and my face hurts
>I lay in bed and it's really cold
>Suddenly, a warmth is moving towards me
>I am so happy
>She whispers into my ear "This is my shrine"
>She grabs me with her powerful snake hair and puts me down onto my hands and knees
>I spread my ass-cheeks for snake
>She penetrates my butt-hole
>It hurts so much but I do it for snake
>I can feel my butt tearing as my eyes start to water
>I push against her force
>I want to please snake
>She hisses a mighty snake hiss as she fills my butt with her love
>My crab walks in
>Snake looks her straight in the eyes and says "and the rest is hisssssstory"
>Snake leaves through my window
>Snake is love. Snake is life.
Happy to know that someone else has seen the light.
>there are people who legitimately find this funny
Holy shit. I pity the person who took time out to write this.
Even though she may be unlikable, her character development was still there.
also i felt a bit dissapointed in Koyomi going there and acting like he acted with Kaiki, whom to be honest is my most liked character, there is something in Kaiki i just really like
Character development isn't there to make you like a character, is there to give you a reason of why you like/dislike a character and give you a better structured story, in an ideal situation char development shouldn't be taken into account when thinking if you like a char or not, sadly so many don't get any development in other series that we end up giving it a lot of value
>there is something in Kaiki i just really like
He's the most human of all the aberration hunters. He doesn't try to fight them directly. He hides in the shadows, as any human in such a world should.
Turn to boys.
We have work to do.
You can't argue with snakefags.
They are willing to make almost unlimited logical leaps and mental gymnastics to justify what she did.
Shit man, not even a Crabfag but I'll join in.
Couldn't help myself. I don't actually have any Crab pictures so I thought to myself. "What scenes are memorable." and Senjougahara getting coffee'd stood out.
I am glad to see I am in good company.
That entire back and forth is hilarious.
It is actually really good.
I was going to get the picture of Kaiki getting juiced but I figured the poor man has already had enough of people messing up his clothes by spitting coffee/throwing juice at him.
Crab only said she'd kill the person who killed him, and then probably herself.
Araragi-kun, why is my voice so perfect?
One of the only times I ever liked Crab.
I think everyone gets proportionately more likeable the more time they spend with Best Character.
Is it because your voice actress is Chiwa Saitou?
>I think everyone gets proportionately more likeable the more time they spend with Best Character
This is true, Nadeko went from an evil monster to just a stupid girl in Koi
You probably jinxed it by bringing it up.
Is this a shot from the show?
I can't remember this.
Yeah man, it's the last few seconds of Bakemonogatari.
Oshino has left, the crew have played Rock Paper Scissors outside Eikou Cram School and Araragi has had his monologue about Oshino caring enough about him to say Goodbye before he mentions the School Festival and it cuts to that scene before ending.
It's the only logical conclusion when everything else about you is perfect.
Crab doesn't fuck around apparently.
You'd better back the fuck up before you get snapped the fuck up.
>Crab doesn't fuck around apparently.
Just look at this fighting stance if you need any more proof.
She's about to slay a motherfucker. She could have taken God Nadeko out with a single strike but she's hiding her powerlevel for when she becomes the Saviour at Century's Beginning.
people who seem to think fucking everything is edgy are the real fucking egelords
I like Snake because she's cute as fuck and the most interestingly developed character in the show. All other characters
except batpales in comparison to her.
Watch them as they aired.
There are a few things that occur outside the chronology of release order, but you need to have the perspective the rest of the series offers when you watch/read it.
That's what I did, but it's good to be a nice anon once in a while.
they are fake good people. in the end they care only about themselves and their closest person (in crab's case it's araragi). the one girl that was an exception was hanekawa, she knew nadeko's bad personality well, but in the end she still really wanted to help her.
Monkey cares about crab and Araragi.
Cat and Crab care about each other
Crab cares about monkey
This is what friendships are anon, you caring about people other than yourself.
Snake does not have that.
Kanbaru wanted to help something-machi, Mayoi didn't really do anything wrong. Also Hanekawa wanted to put half the town in hospital just to relieve her stress, she's hardly perfect.
That's why track is no good, volleyball and basketball is where it's at.
None of the characters are shit you gigantic faggot, if you think so you should probably go watch a different show since you're unable to appreciate this show
Snake is the only fucking one who's never been shown after being saved. Monkey was also a lying cunt and not really remorseful until after the final confrontation of Hitagi, a lot of people seem to forget this
So at the end of the day you're just a pitiful troll?
Well, thanks for showing your true colors I suppose
Monkey > Snail > Bat = Crab > Phoenix > Bee > Cat > Doll > Snake
Get taste you imbecile.
How is she not really remorseful until then?
She was remorseful in her first fucking scene.
She was remorseful after she used the arm first in middle school.
She had that power the whole time and never used it because she knew it was wrong and she is responsible for the action of the rainy devil.
If snake had the arm she would end up killing half the school and still manage to blame someone else.
Snake does not have that because she's completely different from the rest of the cast. The author made her an obvious outcast who is isolated and doesn't trust people(which is normal because real life is shit and you shouldn't trust easily others). She wasn't good at making friends and no one really offered her support, warmth, friendship. No one made her realize that life can be good and stop her from shutting herself inside all the time.
You don't know shit about snake's past. How she's treated by other people or if people try to be her friends or not. This is just shit you assumed for no reason.
Congratulations on your snakelogic.
All you do know is she is egocentric, mistrustful and selfish and lacks any kind of empathy. Your excuses as to why that is is just you making shit up.
If she's so egocentric why did she so playful with Kaiki when she hated both being a god and talking to people? She may be extremely judgemental but she still wants nice people to have a good time
if she was truly remorseful why the fuck did she she still go ahead with her plan to kill araragi even after telling him she was over it? She wasn't remorseful, she was just acting
I would say she wasn't even truly remorseful after being saved, she just came to terms with the fact that killing araragi wouldn't make hitagi love her
I stopped watching the series around Monogatari Second Season. Mostly because I'm a Crabfag and things were going so well for her and Koyomi that I assumed it could only get worse.
Yes monkey has a problem with hate but she doesn't like it, wants to move past it and takes responsibility for what her hate causes.
Desiring something bad doesn't mean you're a bad person, everyone has negative thoughts at some point.
She was wrong for wanting to kill people for her own shortcomings. But it really bothers me when people dismiss her without explaining their reasoning. It was a great arc for me because I could actually relate and this character I didn't give a shit about before became interesting to me. Then went away.
>we never see it happen
This is true for 99% of sex that happens in all forms for media
>there are no indications that it took place off screen.
Try watching the series with your eyes open.
Sorry you are right.
>Snake is so shit that Kaiki had to show up and evict her from Araragi's life for Crab in order to save best girl who is his daughteru since Snake is so garbage that she is a danger to anyone who speaks to Araragi. She is canon wost girl.
>He did it for crab
Monogatari thread reminder that in order to like snake, you must necessarily be a troll or edgy teenager.
how does she show her responsibility exactly? by being nice to Araragi? Nadeko cant do that because being close to him makes her life worse. Also we werent able to see what she thinks about the things she'd done because after becoming human Kaiki immediately makes her pass out and they never show her again which is fucking bullshit.
reminder that this is a meme and only trolls post that, because they have no real arguments.
>not once does it indicate that they have had sex.
This scene plus the Tsuki scene with Senjou-ragi on Valentine's Day.
She accepts that she might lose her arm for what she did, she does not try to blame anyone else for her actions.
Also yes, her gratitude and loyalty to Araragi is also a good indication of her character.
Kaiki forced her to pass out and Araragi can never see her again because snake never bothered to resolve her issues, she just decided to go back to her life and stop being a god, the underlying issues of why she did everything was never resolved.
And yes if nisio decided to write some more character development and make her not a shit she wouldn't be one but he didn't and she is so I don't see how you can argue otherwise.
Anon your waifu has had sex. I'm sorry but you will never be her first, the best thing you can do is accept that and move on.
Fuck, you're right, I guess they did have sex.
Yeah. Me too. Snake went from being this boring little girl I knew nothing about to having multiple personalities and devious plans and then going into full blown insanity while being given the full power of a god.
Only other character that went from boring background character to amazingly interesting main character is Bat
No, she was forced by Kaiki to not see Araragi again and go back to her life. If Kaiki didnt say that she would still involve herself with Araragi, because she's obsessed with him.
What are some things you'd do gently to crab?
>brushing her hair
>friendly game of Twister
Blank. It was probably a rushed screencap from ages ago for when the exact same question got asked last time.
Hence why I named it sauceforanon, so that I could find it easily when people try to deny they had sex.
It doesn't mean she's a shit character. It means her character is weak willed and also shown prone more than other people to delusions, insanity(mental problems in general). She needs a guidance from someone in life to show her good parts in life and herself(Kaiki did the part about life). Idk how can you just say she's shit and leave her like that, would you do the same to a person in real life? Then youre the one thats a shit person.
youre assuming things that were never said by the author. no one knows how nisio wanted the character to turn out, but theres obviously a lot of people that like her and a lot that dont.
The meat of what Nisio wrote in Otori was actually Nadeko admitting she knew she had problems. Explicitly she didn't think what how she was living her life was right and wanted to change for the better, and that comes through in stuff like her conversations with Kuchinawa-san (i.e., herself) and the speech to her class.
But maybe her character as Nisio wrote it doesn't fully come through in the anime. Even so, most people who hate Nadeko seem to have a really simplistic understanding of what was going on with her character.
you guys thinking she's shit is fanfic wanking, why would nisio intentionally write a shit character who only some people seem to think is shit
fact is she isn't supposed to be viewed as shit, you only have shit taste
Retards can't see implications. Snail's illegitimacy was obvious the moment she reappeared at the end of Mayoi Snail, yet it comes off as a surprise to people that she'd have to disappear one day.
>Nadeko admitting she knew she had problems
>wanted to change for the better
She didn't ever bother to change. How does her speech to the class reflect that?
Her conversations with herself were just her trying to pretend to herself that everyone was against her and she herself wasn't buying it but never did she actually try to change that. She just accepted it, the fact that she's pretending to be a victim and really it's all her fault.
Partially for the plot at least.
I never said I won't pick up where I left off with the series eventually. Just that I stopped watching it.
Actually a lot of anime series get stale if they keep airing episodes too long. That's one of the reason that second seasons of anime series often do so much poorer in sales than first seasons.
"I hate you all, but damn it you're still all my classmates"
Yes she did, she pretended everyone was against her. Her classmates for no liking her, her teacher for trying to get her to do her job, Araragi for liking crab, bird and bat for pointing out her problems.
She keeps complaining to Kuchinawa about it and he keeps laughing at her because he(she) knows it's all false.
Okay but there is no time, what we see of the character is what we get. Why do you have to make shit up about possible futures? Why can't you just accept the character the author gives you?
even if she wanted to, I'm pretty damn sure Tsukihi and Hitagi wouldn't let her anywhere close to him. So it's a moot point.
I don't think Araragi is going to fucking start crying over his terrible lack of formal apologies in person from snake, he's probably pretty damn satisfied knowing she's no longer going to kill him at the end of his graduation
Really. Anyone in Araragi's situation would very fucking likely be pretty considerate if the person so obsessed with you that they wanted to kill you has decided that they'd rather not see you anymore
Thats not really pretending someone was against her. She ignored everyone like they ignored her. And when she snapped she stated that she doesn't like people depending on her because of her cute, unharmful looks. Which was right.
>How does her speech to the class reflect that?
She says in her narration that what she told the class was what she wanted to tell herself. It's a rant about socializing better.
Okay but that sorta felt like her breaking instead of some long term character change.
I will admit that if she wanted to be more assertive her whole deal with the talisman sure helps that.
It doesn't help her other terrible character traits which I was referring to though. Being shy by itself is not that bad, it's the rest of her that is terrible.
Youre bending the actual wording in all those scenes. She was only stating the facts and accepted them as they were. Also she didnt say the class didnt like her but everyone in the class was silent and ingored each other.
What words am I bending? Do you honestly not thing snake was playing the victim for all of otori?
She made up a fictional fucking entity that ordered her to do things for fucks sake.
Kuchinawa was a manifestation of her persecution complex.
Yes, she broke but it wasnt hard not to. She was mentally insane at that point already, talking to the 'serpent' and all. She wasnt able to comprehend what was actually happpening around her. This is a very legit fact to state she needs mental help and she cant be judged like other characters.
Did crab suddenly stop being a bitch? Did cat get over Araragi after being rejected thrice? Does every change a person decides to make happen the moment he decides it?
The story ends with her out cold.
Anyway Nadeko is an actually believeable, realistic and relatable character in anime. People that like her are not insane, edgelords or trolls. Get the fuck over it.
really, the word "edgy" is dangerously close to becoming just another buzzword considering how much people misuse it
it's a reddit tier comeback by people that can't stand that people like what they don't like
youre a normal person that has never even gone through similar problems that break you mentally. This is what Nadeko had gone through as a 14 year old with no support from her family or the closest friends.
She has plenty of support, she just threw it all away.
I don't understand anyways. You could say everyone's personality is a mixture of their nature and nurture. So you don't hold people responsible for how they at at all? Is everything just outside of their control and they can't be blamed for anything?
I choose to not see it that way.
>your dumb shildish crush goes unfulfilled
>grounds for going insane and murdering people
Snakefags should be kept under a close watch so they don't hurt anyone.
So shes not responsible for being insane because she's insane?
That's some nice circular reasoning you have there.
Her life was not really hard, she has nothing to blame for her breakdown other than herself.
Out of all the girls, with the possible exception of the fire sisters, she had the easiest life and yet broke down the most.
>and Nadeko actually did nothing wrong
Oh, I see her acting cute made her feel pity for her.
Too bad she lies as a narrator for the entirety of the thing.
Mind me. She's super cute. Super Kawaii. Her snake hairs are the best. But the real masterpiece was Kaiki talking to her. He is the best.
you need to thank her for being there too, because if she wasnt there Kaiki wouldnt have anyone to talk to. theyre both great characters.
You said she can't be insane because no one in the show had the authority to determine that she was insane. With that being absolutely fucking stupid, I don't see why the same reasoning can't be used to say that none of the characters had any authority to say that she's a bad person.
If this dumb reasoning for why she isn't a bad person is valid, then so is your argument why she isn't insane.
No you fucking idiot, you used the fact that some people said "She's insane" as proof that she is.
That's fucking retarded because you can't know how they meant it and if they are right or even a reliable source of information.
I base my argument that she's a shit on my interpretation of her actions and how it reflects on her character.
You should watch the rest.
Their relationship goes swimmingly for the rest of the entire series and I'm talking all the way through even the most recent LN.
My heart will probably explode when their next date is actually animated.
Maybe we should put together a watch list?
I never said she's insane because the characters said she's insane, she very fucking clearly demonstrated a large series of characteristics of insane people, this is what makes us believe she's insane, as well as the other characters in the anime
basically the only person who doesn't think she's insane is you for some reason
Oh I very much got Otori, you're the one who apparently didn't.
really, that's usually what it comes down to with you people that hate snake, you just have a very shallow impression of what you watched and now you refuse to believe that there was any more depth to the characters than what you picked up on your first viewing
You should probably just accept that your waifu a shit when your only viable defense is to keep screaming "but she's insaaaaaane!"
she's not fucking kaiki you moron
where is it ever implied that the events of otori isn't exactly what snake experienced? fucking nowhere
all throughout otori, nadeko's insanity is making her think she's doing everything for the snake god. She is literally unaware that she's doing anything bad, the very thing that holds up in a court of law when you plead insanity. the end of otori isn't snake revealing her masterplan, it's her realizing what made her have the delusions
Childhood memories like the mysterious childhood friend that you were too small to really remember that later taught you math and wanted you to save her but you didn't get the clue and eventually forgot about her and then her family situation got even worse until she started to hate you when you met her again and didn't recognize her and then you failed to save her again when she was convicted of a crime she didn't do which caused you to lose faith in justice and humanity and turned you into a depressed friendless loner that eventually ran into and saved the life of a vampiress because of that depression?
Stuff like that?
At the end you idiot.
Where she fucking explains everything.
This is all very typical of snakefags. You don't even watch the show properly and have no idea what's going on and just like snake cause she's cute.
she's insane and the best written most realistic character in the show, and a semen kami
Like I fucking said. The end isn't her revealing she isn't insane, it's her revealing she's finally aware that the snake god was a delusion
this highly enforced by the fact that she's still very much fucking insane in koi
really guys, we wouldn't need to have these threads if you snake haters would just come to your senses and stop shitposting all the time
When Kaiki meets Nadeko's parents, there's a real sense of condemnation there. They care more about maintaining their image of Cute Nadeko than actually finding a clue to the location of their daughter, so they refuse to investigate the only part of her life that she tried to keep private. Kaiki observes that her all-pink room looks more like her parents designed it than it being what Nadeko actually wanted, and also notes that even though she acts happy in her photobook she's alone in every single picture (an observation he makes to her parents and they don't seem to understand).
That whole scene with Nadeko's parents explains really nicely why in in her own arc Nadeko simultaneously resented the "cute" label. It's not just that she started acting this way because she wanted to be pleasing to others, but that her parents very much instilled the expectation of acting like that into her, and then apparently completely ignored anything except what they wanted her to be. In Kaiki's perspective it's her parents who made her crazy.
why would she do that then?
fucking explain why, why unlike kaiki would she have any reason or likelihood to lie to the viewer
your claim doesn't make any fucking sense, especially with her actions in koi
fucking explain yourself
>isn't her revealing she isn't insane, it's her revealing she's finally aware that the snake god was a delusion
She purposefully lies to the readers in order to appear a pitiable victim in a world full of bad stuff. She always knew, the "delusions" were an excuse she invented in order to justify what she did.
The entire point of her character is that she's been exploiting her being cute and the perfect example of this is the fact that she does the same with the people reading or watching.
I can't wait until this "snake is shit meme" has run its course
yeah naw you're a cunt
>Snakefags eternally btfo
waaah bullying! waaah shitposters!
she's not smart enough to play it out. she was 'being a victim' but it was all on an unconscious level. she started thinking about all the things she did when she turned into a medusa at sat alone at the shrine. that's when it first came to her, she realized what she did. she believed in her own delusions throughout all that happened. that is enough to call her insane. it definitely was partly her fault, she realized it too.
Why would you choose to discuss that piece of shit instead of discussing how glorious this woman is?