funny I would say that Naruto's powerup is the odd one among those, both Goku and Ichigo had a bunch of powerups before those so reaching another transformation was highly expected, Luffy's makes sense in universe and there really isn't anything over the top about (compared to the other options) but Naruto's was a complete over the top powerup for the sake of making him way too op despite having other options in universe and already having a powerup that could have easily been expanded via extra jutsus/skills.
>>124712067 Gear 4th was justified by the timeskip we had a while back. We've been waiting to see the results of that for ages and knew Luffy had some kind of ace up his sleeve. It's also fucking hilarious.
Naruto's was fine.
Super Saiyan Super Saiyan God is really fucking stupid and unnecessary, though the asspain it caused with the Dragon Ball Z fanbase was fun.
>>124712160 Gon's was good because of the massive backlash it had against him, and Pitou still managed to damage him. I think it was a justified sudden powerup because of how hard it fucked him up afterwards.
>>124712468 Bleach is an even bigger asspull, you really shouldn't read it they had no way to beat the big bad so they made some shit up and then the MC trained for 4 months in like 1 second and then won.
Luffy and Goku weren't asspulls at all, Luffy didn't do anything new with his powers just applied them differently which he learned during training. Goku's transformation is literally just super saiyan while having the God ki, it's completely in line with the established powers.
>>124712648 The way Ichigo got it was bullshit but the power itself wasn't in any way shape or form now that we know about his Quincy heritage. The fact FGT is basically a bastardized Letz Stil like what Uryuu used a hundred or so chapters ago means that a precedent was set before.
We just didn't have the whole picture at the time, just hints so it SEEMED like a pure asspull.
To try and be objective as possible... probably Ichigo and that Final ultimate whatever the fuck power he used to beat Aizen.
That whole final fight between Ichigo and Aizen was one big asspull fight. What with Aizen getting new powers every chapter due to having a living wish granting machine in his chest and Ichigo gain so much power to confront him that he had to immediately lose it at the end of the arc in order to not ruin the rest of the story.
>>124712749 Natural progressions in a powerset as straight forward as "this guys body is made of rubber" aren't asspulls. Luffy's power is stretching and he's just stretching different parts of his anatomy now. Whine about shit like Usopp developing haki, asura, diable jambe, Zoro's "breath" or Law's ridiculous immortality power.
Ichigo's was Bullshit. Naruto's was lead up to for the longest time. Goku's was kind of bullshit, but considering it's Dragonball Z, you really should've expected it to the point that the writers probably thought no one could possibly not expect something like that. Luffy's was pretty much in the middle of bullshit and not bullshit, being just a regular old powerup that doesn't go either way.
That was because Kubo wrote himself into a super sized plot corner.
Aizen at that point in the story was a master illusion maker, immortal, and had that thing in his chest that kept giving him new powers every few pages. AND the rest of the present cast had already been beaten.
That whole final fight was a textbook definition of "Only the author can save them now!"
>>124712994 Maybe, but considering Uryuu in Letz Stil one-shot Mayuri and his bankai back when he was probably only vice-captain or lower in power shows how much of a jump it gives for a one time burst.
Given Ichigo being some Frankenstein's monster of the Bleach world, it is consistent. And considering Aizen survived it at his peak says a lot about how powerful he actually was despite Ichigo being a transcendental above him.
The Dangai training stuff was some straight up Hyperbolic Time-Chamber tier plot device bullshit.
>>124713131 How long do you think it took him to realize that he literally made Aizen unbeatable, at some point he must have realized that the immortal character that can control all of your sense if you've seen his weapon even once at any point was fucking stupid
So asspull. It only took his powers because he willingly got rid of them with his final attack. It completely undermines Aizen going out of his way to achieve his god power when he could have done whatever Ichigo did.
>>124713160 This should have been obvious by Orange Town when the main villain was a goofy clown pirate with a lego body. Saying you couldn't get into One Piece because of its quirkiness is perfectly reasonable but I have no idea how you can read to the late 700's and still bitch about it.
>>124713714 Says the retard who can't even offer a counter argument to prove me wrong. Because one doesn't exist. And that's not even getting into the fact that Gon never even learns how nen contracts work in the story.
>>124713714 Kurapika was a huge asspull, there's only one attack he's restricted to use. And if his eyes change colors he can become proficient at every type of nen. All that allows him to become as strong as a triple star hunter and to fulfill his sole purpose in life without losing anything.
>>124713667 I'm not even sure what you're trying to say but you clearly don't understand the concept. They work the same way, just on different scales. Gon exchanged more than Kurapika so his consequences are different.
>>124713777 Kurapika fucking explains it to him in Yorkshin. There's an entire scene of them sitting down to discuss it. Even if Gon didn't know, it wasnt a conscious decision so it would've happened anyway since that's how nen works.
>>124713667 Kurapika offered his life IF he used certain powers against anyone that wasn't the spiders not all of his nen, if he tried to use emperor time against someone who is not a spider then yes he would lose his life, Gon offered his future to gain his full potential for a moment and he got that potential and then lost his future, is it really that confusing?
>>124713889 >Gon exchanged more than Kurapika so his consequences are different. Him exchanging more doesn't make a difference as explained when nen contracts were introduced unless Gon broke his pledge, another thing the story never explains what it was.
>>124713925 >Kurapika fucking explains it to him in Yorkshin He doesn't.
>it wasnt a conscious decision Asspull/retcon since no where in the story is it indicated you can make one subconsciously.
>>124714124 Gon's covenant didn't involve a punishment for breaking a rule, he just exchanged 'everything' for massive strength. Kurapika included that restriction for extra power, but didn't get anywhere near Gon's strength.
When Gon said he'd give up everything, it wasnt unconscious in the sense that he didn't have to set his own vow and limitation, it was unconscious in the sense that he didnt plan ahead or decide to make a vow, he just did it because his resolve was that strong.
Think harder about what happened instead of expecting it to be spoonfed to you.It sounds like you need everything literally spelled out for you to understand how things work.
I dont follow Naruto or One Piece. That being said DB and specially Z is based in asspulls and making the characters more powerfull without any real reason, same thing with Bleach really. Now, Bleach is the bigger offender since that shit came out of nowhere and they couldnt maintain the whole Ichigo would renounce all his shinigami power which was bullshit since he got power-upped yet again (making it the 5 transformation after shinigami, vizard, fullbringer, hollow and shinigami again).
>>124714092 >Silver Chariot goes REQ >A sword wielding stand becomes a silent marcher that is literally a shadow and causes all organisms nearby to randomly swap bodies and evolve into other creatures >This is insane
Kurapica gave himself a strict set of restrictions on his nen powers, allowing him to have enough power to take on the phantom troupe
Gon sacrificed his health (turning him into a vegatble), his talent, and his ability to ever use nen again in order to temporarily become the most powerful nen user on the planet. THAT is the fucking difference. More power = greater sacrifice. Try not jerking off while you watch anime and actually pay attention next time
>>124712206 When will this meme die? The entire fucking series is based around asspulls yet this is the one that you fagggots bring up? Part 5 may be absolute garbage but but the final act was the best thing about it
>>124717357 Just wait til Alluka becomes relevant as a calamity, she's gonna be worth it.
But really, it took an entire arc of conflict just to get Alluka to heal Gon, she split the shotas up, and Gon still can't use nen. That's enough trouble that I don't feel like she fixed things too easily.
I can't believe people are arguing over which is the biggest asspull between those 4 series. Naruto is definitely the worst fuckin offender and you shouldn't say otherwise. Yeah Goku had super sayian power up out of nowhere or with Ichigo's I'm mixed with lots of shit. But The very fuckin fact that Naruto at the fuckin end could heal any mother fucker at a touch of a finger is the biggest asspull. He literally became Jesus due to that Alien bullshit. At least the other series didn't bring some Alien bullshit out of nowhere.
>>124717807 The problem wasn't that Alluka could grant wishes, it was that Killua could bypass it. It was actually really fucking cool at first, asking for organs and shit was creepy as hell. That did write him into a corner, but I don't foresee repeat uses since Killua's against it and Alluka is a disaster waiting to happen. I don't mind a little asspulling if it's balanced with resulting conflict, it's not like it's some dbz magic wishes shit where people are revived constantly.
>>124712067 >Luffy Trained and developed it over two years, makes sense in universe. >Goku Combines an ability he had long mastered with one he just developed, makes sense in universe. >Ichigo Plot is basically about how absurdly quick his power grows. Spends three months training to develop the transformation and it causes him to lose his powers. >Naruto Dies and meets the ghost of a matricidal messiah, gains a suite of abilities that have nothing to do with anything he's learned, no need to get used to his new power, comes with an energy refill, full heal and resurrection. Makes sense in universe.
>>124718606 Bijuus have nothing to do with the fact that the sage who's been dead for centuries transferred his chakra and abilities to Naruto and Sasuke with 0 reasoning and 0 drawbacks out of nowhere.
>>124719184 >Again, why didn't Aizen do this if he could have gained power superior than the Hogyouku. FGT has "final" in its name for a reason. Like he'd be willing to sacrifice his powers forever just for a temporary power boost.
Aizen was already a Diablos ex Machina character at that point. What with being immortal, illusion master, and gaining new powers every chapter.
Ohhhh whats this? Why Ichigo after visiting the Bleach equivalent of the hyperbolic time chamber is now able to surpass this god like power?
Guys... come on... its an asspull. Kubo wrote himself into a corner by making Aizen too strong too quickly. This isn't a matter of being right or wrong. Its just that Kubo did a bad job setting it up and was forced to do a "asspull" to solve the problem.
Why are you guys so determined to try and explain away stuff like this? Its fine if you like Bleach. I'm not out to try and say you are terrible people for liking it. But bad writing is bad writing. Is it really that hard to accept that Kubo is just sort of a bad writer?
>>124712067 I would say the biggest would be naruto close to ichigo because ichigo all of a sudden had a place to train at the most important timing. Goku yeah there were super cyan was inevitable. I mean look at the red form looks normal, there had to be a super form of that. Luffy, none of his shit was asspulls, everything he did was explained. He's the one with the rubber body, he would know how to use it. And seeing dudes jumping on air and Luffy purposely jumping off high places to emulate it was precursor to now.
Luffy trained for 2 years and this is the first fight where he's needed to demonstrate more power to an enemy. No asspull
Goku's transformation is stupid, but he HAS been training for some time with a man who is much stronger than the god of destruction. He also absorbed the powers of a super saiyan god the last time he fought. This is no asspull.
Never paid attention to Bleach
That powerup was obtained after he made some kind of contact with a super ninja god who was dead, but somehow not dead completely and could travel through time. It's an asspull for sure.
>>124725479 That has nothing to do with the question that you asked, though.
You asked,"why didn't Aizen do this," and that's not where the problem really lies. Aizen literally couldn't replicate what Ichigo did, and even if he could, he wouldn't have been willing to make the necessary sacrifice.
It might be bad writing, but it isn't really an asspull.
>>124712674 No dude g 2 uses the rubber powers. What happened when a normal person pumps air in to their blood stream? They get a heart attack. Luffy doesn't because every thing including blood cells is rubber, so his cells can hold a lot more air. How he figured that out is by watching cp9 move so fast and jump on air. So making himself light as air by finding a different way others than ballon mode is the next logical choice.
>I just see you guys always trying to defend Bleach at every turn and I get curious about... well, why? I don't, though. I almost never post in these threads, or in Bleach threads.
The writing in Bleach leaves a lot to be desired, and the whole fake Karakura Town arc was fairly ridiculous, but I just didn't agree with the specific thing that the person I was originally replying to was complaining about.
>>124713821 His powers work and are fair because the only thing he can do with nen for the rest of his life is curbstomp anyone identifying as a Phantom Troupe member. If he tries to use his nen abilities on anything else, he'll die, that's the tradeoff. I expect that if he ever becomes an important character in a future arc again, it will focus on that restriction and the trouble it brings him, rather than just having him sweep through the entire Troupe.
All of this is still moot because it's not an asspull; the rules of nen that specifically matter for his contract were explained fully leading up to his reveal of the nen contract.
>>124726181 Yes theoretically, but Netero doesn't have enough potential to make the same sacrifice for the same amount of power, and you need strong resolve to make a strong covenant. Gon could do it because he was was fully prepared to sacrifice everything, not just coming up with a way to avoid dying.
>>124726002 >story is increasingly focusing on how Senketsu's evolution is growing out of control and how Ryuuko is pretty much able to evolve to beat anything with him >Senketsu evolves in a fight against the "villian's" lackey, allowing Ryuuko to win
Of all the things to criticize Kill la Kill about, especially its asspulls, this is not one of those things.
>>124726391 How does it not make sense? Nen covenants are a choice that's strengthened by resolve. Netero wanted a good fight, he wasn't desperately emotional like Gon and something like Kurapika's would make the fight unfair.
>>124726181 What would be the point, though? Either way he dies, except without the nen contract Netero was assuring that Meruem would die. Making a nen contract just to power up and die anyways would have been pointless, especially when Netero went into the fight looking to have a morbid form of fun, where he could go all out on someone who was stronger than him and experience of height of fighting that he, supposedly the strongest human, has never been able to reach because he just curbstomps everyone even without his Bodhisattva
>>124726249 Yes, although it would most often be futile because Gon had all the mental strength and determination of his entire being focused into that contract, with the price being his limitless potential for growth, something that characters had been pointing out throughout the entire series. Nobody else would be able to reach the powerlevel Gon did with a self-sacrificial nen contract while on the verge of death. There's also the fact that if you're going to die and you're aware of that fact, your life isn't really worth much at all, so therefore you can't do much with a nen contract where the price is your life. Kurapika's life is valuable enough to himself (as the only one he thinks capable of hunting and eradicating the spiders, as well as the last remaining member of his clan) that it, coupled with the big restriction of only using his powers on Troupe members, result in his utterly broken, yet highly restricted powers.
>>124726448 Zero hand only did that because he used every remaining Nen that he already have at that point in time. Nen contract is supposed to give him more power than he should already have. That's the difference and make Gon's transformation an asspull.
>>124726391 Netero was already sacrificing his life, and there was a big enough power gap that there's an extremely real chance that the life of a 110-year-old-man who's lived his life and is perfectly fine with dying in this fight, would not be worth enough to give Netero a power boost capable of taking down Meruem. And even if he could, he would still be sacrificing his life for Meruem's death, except by using the miniature rose, he ensured that he could have a clean, enjoyable fight with a 100% chance of killing his target.
>>124726493 This is what happen when people points out the obvious. HxHfags continue to make excuses. At the end of the day, Netero wants to kill Meruem even with sacrificing his life. Making a contract is the only logical way to achieve that.
>>124726318 >Every MC at the top except for Luffy has been noted to have supernatural, or be exceptional to the point of ridiculousness, with exceptional growth, and being one of a kind in several ways.
But I guess Kill la Kill gets a pass because uh...reasons.
>>124726595 Do you even read the responses? They're not excuses, theyre completely logical explanations. Netero's life isn't worth that much, he wanted a fight, he lacked Gon's emotional resolve, and the rose had a better chance of beating Meruem overall. And obviously Togashi used the rose to send a message, so it has a point.
I'm not sure how you think this negates the logic behind nen covenants anyway. It's a fact that they exist and can be used if someone chooses to. Gon did, so it's not an asspull.
>>124726595 >>124726631 Are you clinically retarded? >Making a contract is the only logical way to achieve that. Except they killed Meruem in a much more logical way, using a toxic nuke. Which as I've already said, was way more surefire than hoping that a dying old man's life was worth enough of a power boost to kill the strongest being in the series. Which it wasn't. There was no need for Meruem to get a power boost at all, because it would have been pointless and a waste of time.
Regardless of this entire part of the conversation, Gon's powerup still isn't an asspull because he powered up using a method that was clearly explained and outlined hundreds of chapters ago in one of the earliest arcs, where he traded his potential, something repeatedly stated by character dialogue and growth to be something very potent and valuable, ie: something worth a lot in a nen contract.
Nen is 'mind power', your will and belief have lots to do with the condition. At that point Netero most likely did not believe he can kill Meruem without forsaking his life - so the contract to give it up would effectivelly have no value
>>124726683 Because the other asspulls were a lot more than "exceptional growth", they weren't just training to the point of being able to punch stronger or whatever, they got a completely new ability that allowed them to curbstomp enemies that were previously far and above their power level. Kill la Kill was constantly focusing on how Senketsu is dangerous because it can constantly evolve and adapt to every situation, and Ryuuko could basically beat anyone if she kept him evolving like that. Nonon wasn't even that strong, she just started the fight with an upper hand and, like characters had been saying would happen, Senketsu adapted to it, allowing them to win. There are countless better asspulls to nitpick at in Kill la Kill, like try everything leading up to the final fight, such as when Ryuuko just absorbed everyone else's life fibers so that she could fly into space and blow up incest mom?
>>124726128 He can use the chains on others. The only chain that is overpowered is Chain Jail; if bound by it, the person is put in a state of hatsu (aura gets blocked, can't use Nen) which is why it is the only chain reserved for the spiders. You niggers are forgetting that Kurapika has near, if not total, genius-level intellect. Dowsing Chain, Judgement Chain and Healing Chain (presumably, there has yet to be evidence for this) can be used on people that aren't spiders. The chain on his index finger is the only one that is still up in the air; Kurapika has never used it.
Some anons are saying Emperor Time can only be used against the spiders, but I can't recall if this was stated. I want to say that that is a lie since Kurapika discovers this ability while his master is still around.
>>124726249 Anons are saying something about the "potential" one has for mastering Nen. If you do not have much potential, you won't be able to get much out of the Vows/Limitations system, according to them. I do not know where this is explained though. Yet it somehow seems to line up; Gon-San aside, Killua's abilities are just almost as broken as Kurapika's. And Killua can use God-Speed on anyone. Sure, he has to research and it places a "burden" on his body, but Killua's high resillience makes it feel asspull-ish.
>>124726739 Than every power up in OP's image is not an asspull because everyone of them has logical explanations.
This doesn't negate anything but just showing that Gon power up is an asspull when even Netero didn't do it. The rose could still be there but at the verge of death he should make a contract to sacrifice his life to gain more power. Not only that the rose would do damage to Meruem but he would also add to that making sure than Meruem would really die. This just show how stupid and how much as an asspull is with Gon. It just shows that Togashi wanted to give Gon some power up and he just conveniently remembered the nen contract.
You're seriously just coming up with a bunch of nitpicky excuses. Gon used an ability that was explained perfectly clearly, its not an asspull because it wasn't used at every possible opportunity in the series. No shit it was reserved for when it has maximum impact, but that's just good writing because it's still completely possible and well established.
>>124726934 No, seriously, are you reading what other people are saying at all? Netero wouldn't have gained much, if any power from a nen contract at all, certainly not enough to make any sort of real difference. It also would have gone against his character since he was looking for a genuine challenge, someone he could give his all against without a real chance of killing fairly. As far as the plot is concerned, there was literally no reason for Netero and Meruem to fight at all, Netero was selected to deliver the bomb because he was so strong, he was the only hope of reliably getting the bomb close enough to Meruem in order to assuredly kill him. Gon had something extremely valuable - his growth potential - that allowed him to make the strongest nen contract in the series, allowing a kid to defeat one of the Chimera Ants' Royal Guards.
>>124727049 Zero hand shows that he would use any powers he have to exterminate Meruem. Even to the most tiniest energy he have left. That not only shows his conviction to finish this but just shows how desperate he is. Even though a nen contract would make the slightest difference he would use it. He also doesn't need to sacrifice his potential but his life like Kurapika did.
>>124727160 He went into the fight knowing that he was going to die. He was long past his prime, and being able to fight Meruem was basically his dream because it was someone he could go all-out against. His life was worth nothing, therefore using it as payment in a nen contract would result in nothing. The moment Netero had the Miniature Rose implanted in him, he became part of a Schrodinger's Cat-like situation, where he was effectively dead, but not yet.
Zero Hand was not an act of desperation, but instead the final card Netero had up his sleeve that was his own power, his own strength that he trained to achieve (read: not a nen contract), that he could afford to expend on Meruem, with the only real goal of testing his own limits against the world's strongest being.
>>124727286 The bomb isn't going to explode if he didn't die. That still makes his life worth something. It's like this, he use all his power plus the contract and the bomb. The contract would only be used when he was sure he was going to die and thus like Gon would sacrifice his life with the conviction to kill Meruem. The bomb would than explode when he finally dies. I really don't want to make the fight become stupid but making Gon get the power up would just make the Netero and Meruem fight useless and meaningless.
>>124726867 You're right, it happened so long ago that I forgot the rest of his chain abilities aren't broken, and therefore can be used on anything. Still, the entire point still stands, Kurapika is a below-average hunter without Chain Jail, but with it he's an unstoppable force that curbstomps members of the most dangerous group of criminals around. Just like Greed Island, which does impossible things thanks to how restricted and clearly defined all the rules to how everything works is, Chain Jail can do broken stuff with a really tight restriction.
>>124727379 If he was sure he was going to die, then his life is worth LITERALLY NOTHING, and therefore wouldn't give him jack shit in the form of a powerup.
You seem to think Gon traded his life for a huge powerup to save his life while he was on the verge of death, which is absolutely not what happened. Gon wasn't even thinking that he could have died there, he was way too concentrated on the possibility of saving Kite's life, and then ending the life of the person who took his life. Gon wasn't making a contract to save his own life by paying with that life, he was making a contract to kill someone he otherwise would have no hope of killing, while paying with his abundant potential.
>>124727401 Gon never went beyond his limits he went to his limit if he could have gone further then why didn't he? Nen has to have it's limits as well if giving up basically his entire life brought him to his peak what could Netero have given up to take him further than that?
>>124727549 Better than the War arc of Naruto proving that Neji was right all the way back in the Chuunin Exam, that to accomplish anything you have to be gifted with powers, no amount of training and hard work will put you on a level to compete with those who got their powers through bloodlines and destiny and shit. Speaking of destiny, look who died protecting the main branch of the clan (Hinata), like he was destined to.
>>124727636 Except he didn't trade his life, he set restrictions on the powers, that when broken, result in him dying. Trading his life for the power would be using a one-time big attack that uses your direct life force, like Zero Hand but killing you instantly, instead of draining all your nen leaving you in a near-death state.
>>124727636 Kurapika didn't trade his life, he traded the ability to use certain powers on people other than the troupe. The death penalty was just to strengthen it, obviously he has no plans on actually dying.
Neither his nor Gon's contracts came about because they were close to death and freaking out. Their resolves were built on extended periods of serious emotional investment, not a last minute panic.
>>124727626 It's more complicated than that. If Naruto didn't work hard, he never would have become the reincarnation of Whatshisface, and gifted with Jesus powers.. Sure he still would have been strong thanks to the Foxmonster, but his disposition was essential in meeting the ghostninja in the chakra matrix. Which only happened because he lived his life believing you have to work hard.
>>124727728 To who Netero? This is the last time I'm going to repeat this. Netero's life was worth nothing. It wouldn't have given him any type of power boost, it would have been against his character to try and rely on a nen contract to defeat someone he already had in "checkmate" and was only using for enjoyment before showing off the Rose, and it would have been pointless considering [no nen contract = they both die] is the same as [nen contract = they both die], assuming he even had the ability to trade anything for the nen contract.
>>124722795 >Watch Naruto vs neji >"Destiny doesn't exist, you can carve your future yourself" >Mfw Naruto and sasuke are reincarnation and destiny exist It was a fucking asspull because Kishimoto destroyed one of Naruto themes just for it.
>>124717673 What would have been cool would be that Yusuke wouldn't have the demon bloodline, but gets possessed by Raizen and made it look like he became one to help Sensui accept his death. there was no build up or foresight to him being part demon in the beginning and it annoyed me.
>>124727899 If it would be pointless than he would at least try. The word here is try. It doesn't mean that he need the will not to die but to finish off Meruem. Contract doesn't have to have the same conditions but at the end of it, it's all about life. Gon would have died if Killua didn't save him. So, at the end Gon would have died. He now only can't use Nen only because from another asspull. HxH is really just full of asspull that will only be clarified by >Nen works like that
>>124712206 THIS WAS NOT AN ASSPULL. The arrow was already known to make you broken as fuck as we have seen with Silver Chariot Requiem. The final fight with Diavolo was just \ a race to the arrow and whoever the arrow chose and got to was gonna be the clear winner, didn't matter who. Giorno was the more desperate one so it chose him and gave him the ability to help beat Diavolo. Fuck, that wasn't hard to understand at all.
>>124727411 I agree with you, but not entirely. Kurapika's ET would make him anything but mediocre; 100% proficiency in every Nen category is OP as fuck. In his match with Uvogin, Kurapika did not use anything other than his Conjurer and Enhancer abilities. If he starts devoloping techniques for other categories he may very well become unstoppable.
>>124727636 I don't think you comprehend what made Netero broken. He trained for a decade or so in total isolation. He went nearly insane, but his constant meditation and praying let him make the most of his Nen potential (Nen is a power of the mind, afterall; it makes sense that meditation would increase Nen proficiency). The 100-Type Guanyin Bodhisattva is what makes Netero broken; he needs no vows/limitations to use it. This is why Meruem mentions he is insane; he thought of using a giant statue to fight and he actually pulled it off. He can emit the damn thing off his aura. Zero Hand is the only attack that seems to have a Vow, not so much a Limitation. And let's not forget that Netero is an Enhancer who uses Emission to fight. And he was past his prime as well; maybe a younger Netero might have been able to move his hands, and therefore the Guanyin's, faster.
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