>>124743713 It was great until this Rin and Shirou romance started. Now is this show trying to be somewhat funny when it doesn't suit it at all. I expected the same amount of seriousness and maturity as in Fate/zero.
I mean.. Do you want to watch two teenagers doing stupid awkward things because they're into each other while being in mortal peril and fighting for the grail? Because I don't. It's not anyhow romantic or funny at least, just awkward.
I wanted to get the Fate community's general feelings towards the upcoming adaptation now that we all have a good grasp at how Ufotable is handling UBW. Stuff like "What should be cut?", "How many films should it be?", "Should the same director for UBW come back to direct HF? If not then who?", "Will they include the H-scenes or will they go with the Realta Nua version?", and "How will they make this accessible to newcomers?"
>>124744501 First of all - not a bait. To be honest, I watched only Fate/Zero, not any other anime or VN related to it. I'll give it a try then. (also I know they aren't masters anymore but aren't they fighting to get their servants back?)
>>124744423 I'll try. As I said, I expected something deep and serious like F/Z was. Not some awkward trying-to-be-funny-or-something relationship stuff. It just seems so off, that on one hand there are people/servants killing each other - or I could take Shiro's background story (when he was saved by Kiritsugu) in this case - and suddenly there's this "teenager love" and stuff around it
>>124744706 >learn some fucking respect >respect Do you respect everyone you meet? Are you one of those people who demand 'respect' from total strangers? Disrespecting and not respecting are different things, just so you know. Nobody is obligated to treat you like how Gilgamesh thinks he should be treated. Furthermore, it'd be nice if you made an effort to type in a similar fashion to the posts above you if you want to impersonate. That aside, [check your grammar please]. >>124744971 3 movies of standard [90 minute] length. We can split the first movie at, I don't know, the Shadow eating Gil. The second split can be Kirei and Shirou going to the forest. I don't remember all of the story so I can't exactly judge where to start splitting, but the general idea is movie 1 is boring - > build up at the end, movie 2 is starting to get there and movie 3 is basically DEEN Unlimited Blade Works in terms of action content. My idea is probably shit.
>>124745085 Fate/Zero is a dark tragedy with adult characters in a situation they have long prepared for. Fate/Stay Night is about a bunch of high school kids with magic powers with a lot more comedy and sexual humor.
>>124743889>>124743902>>124744055 >normal people hate FSN because of how shit it is compared to a non-insertfagging anime >insertfagging faggots angry that normal people hate their insertfagging anime/VN/show Why am I not surprised?
>>124745085 >deep and serious like F/Z was This isn't an insult, but let me put it this way: FSN is plenty 'deep' if F/Z counts as 'deep', but F/Z is actually somewhat more shallow than FSN. F/Z lays everything bare: there's very little that requires any modicum of thought. Kiri is not 'mature', nor was he 'serious' - he's essentially a child at heart with an adult's body and adult tools to do the job. His 'dreams' are well-intentioned and idealistic - just like Shirou's. But the difference is that while Shirou thinks about how to, perhaps, accomplish his goal, Kiritsugu never did so. When he realized that his goal could not be fulfilled by normal means, he could only rely on what Gilgamesh correctly referred to as a 'tool of dubious use' i.e. the Holy Grail. Shirou, once he realized his dream was impossible, decided to use his own power to go as far as he possibly could, to do what Kuzuki referred in this past episode as 'right'. He simply walked a path that, while perhaps unfeasible and unmistakably overly idealized, was one he wouldn't regret walking. In other words, F/Z by making everything shallow appeared to be deep. Nothing is deep about F/Z with the POSSIBLE exception of Kirei's interesting mental state. >>124745159 >dark tragedy Debatable, but I can see something of where you are coming from.
>>124744971 No more than 2 movies, cut the cooking and unnecessary internal monologue. Why do you ask? The UBW director is that one guy who believe good drawing and animation represent everything. That's why there's not many internal monologue in UBW.
>>124745363 Can we have some sort of example from either side, if it is an insertfagging show or not? Claims are not useful if there is no evidence to back it up, and without evidence what you've posted is a 'shitpost' which contributes nothing. >>124745395 Was there an analysis of Kirei from that thread? I'm interested on how they analyzed someone who's basically a clinically depressed sociopath >>124745403 >>124745482 Yeah, sometimes I think just a little bit more monologue would be nice. Not spamming monologue but a little push. >>124745500 Are you a F/Z fanboy that's reacting now? Nothing's wrong with liking an immature anime you know. Nichijou isn't really 'mature' either.
>>124743828 Episode three was surprisingly good, but other than that it's what you'd expect after the first season - it looks nice, it's stupid and it takes itself way too seriously. Fanbase is all sorts of toxic and defensive, too.
>>124745604 A toxic fandom will pretty much always influence your perception of some work in an emotional sense (especially if you become familiar with that fandom before you become familiar with the work), but if you're still interested in watching the show, you don't /have/ to engage with the fandom. You can just watch it, and enjoy it or not. The intent of the fans here is to silence people who don't share their fanaticism, and it's kinda shitty to feel like you're being swayed by that, but if you're not a critic, you don't have an obligation to say things that might annoy them.
>>124745086 That's some terrible splitting right there. Your 2nd movie is 2 days long, and the only things that happen in it is Shirou talking with Zouken, and Sakura killing Shinji/kidnapping Illya.
My opinion for the splits, if it was a trilogy with roughly the same length for each movie:
Part 1: Most of the Servants' death, introduction of Zouken and True Assassin's characters, a lot of Kirei and Illya scenes, start of the setup for Shirou/Sakura relationship. End with Saber being swallowed by the shadow.
Part 2: Start with Rider saving Shirou, followed shortly by the school scene, Rider identity reveal, Sakura's past reveal, giving up on being a superhero, and the rain scene. The rest is focused on the interactions between Sakura/Rin and Shirou/Illya. Archer's death and Shirou's arm loss happen a little over halfway through it. There's also all the Nightmares, and all the hinting towards Sakura being the shadow, while Shirou is somewhat aware of that, and is constantly conflicted on wether to kill her. Then there's the confirmation that it's her with Gil's death, and all the stuff built up in this one would come to a climax with Sakura killing Shinji, going batshit, and attacking the Emiya house (scene is appropriately called "Finale"). It's cut there.
Part 3: All the great stuff until the end. If it followed the VN really closely, it would start right at the amazing scene where Shirou recaps everything that's happened so far ("Let's make the final decision."), and decides to "Save Sakura. Bring back Ilya".
>>124745391 I really hope the adaptation goes with the scene where Kuzuki is allowed by Archer to leave, but chooses to give him a final strike to the temple before getting cut in down. It shows just how loyal he was to his waifu.
I watch Fate/stay night and I'm confused as to why we should CARE about the ideals of the protagonist from a writing standpoint. Shirou's motivations feel false because they don't come from himself, compared to sharp writing such as in Oregairu or Maou-sama. Is it wrong that I enjoy watching UBW for the animation?
>>124745790 Why Tohsaka also wrestling in that pic? I know why Luvia but Rin have no interest in wrestling. She is a martial artist because Tohsaka family is a martial artist family, other than the main one which is focusing on being a mage and martial arts as side focus.
>>124745802 >watching UFO for the animation Yeah. That's what I do. You shouldn't 'care' per-se unless you picked them up yourself from the writing. If so then you should care as they are now part of the character - same reason why, for example, a man known for being greedy within the story should act accordingly. Shirou's ideals are not revealed early on, thusly we are confused and in the dark. In some forms, this is good: he looks like a fucking retard because, for a normal human which we assume he is lacking other information, he IS being a fucking retard. Once we understand his ideals, the intent is for the reader to go [holy shit now it makes sense!] A good / compatible writer will accomplish this, while a second-rate or stylistically incompatible one will fail. His ideals don't come from himself - in fact, nothing does. He doesn't exist from his own standpoint, it's why he's so good at archery - the Japanese archer is meant to make the self a target and nullify his own existence when shooting, and this is the state Shirou is stuck in hence his 'brokeness'. From a normal human standpoint, it's stupid - how can there be something more important than the self? How can one's dream be the same as another's for the purpose of completing a dead man's dream? But from Shirou's standpoint, it's sensible - he has no identity and is simply choosing whose mask he'll wear, and it is no surprise he chose the man who saved him. The Grail fire essentially erased 'Shirou'. Only a shell that resembled him remained, similar to a new-born with little sense of self and little personality. He'll mimic a nearby 'idol'.
>>124746170 Archer and Shirou have the same view point for their ideals. Archer is saving people through his whole life and he didn't regret any of it, he fulfill his ideals. The regret comes after his death and he make contract with the Gaia when he become Counter Guardian (Defender?) and think he'll save more people even after his death. This is the part when he is betrayed by his own ideal.
Kiritsugu ideal already mentioned here in this pic >>124745395
Shirou's ideal is more realistic than Kiritsugu and he knows every consequences of following that ideal, not like a child like Kiritsugu.
>>124745661 If you are influenced to such an extent that it affects the show you are probably weak willed and shouldn't be browsing /a/. Fanbases should never affect the quality of a show especially when they overlap so much as well as considering every fanbase is shit, especally if you look outside of /a/.
>>124748626 That art looks so damn good. I'm currently more hyped for this manga than for UBW. The last three UBW episodes have been pretty disappointing. Though it might change since we're about to enter the real deal of UBW.
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