So. What the fuck is happening?
It's like they got 5 characters from different stories and simply mashed them together in a dorm
Was it 2deep4u
You know at some point ONE of you is going to have to actually explain your views.
>Because the characters felt like they had actual lives before the story happens, you dolt
>The VN format made it not boring and immersive
Its unbearable in anime form
It's pretty much the complete opposite, 20 mins a week is far more bareable than 20 hours of reading.
The anime is straight to the point and can convey much more information faster and easier than text.
Not saying I hate text format or reading VN. Some stuff can only be done and conveyed this way.
But if we're talking about efficiency and not getting bored conveying stuff with dialogues + visuals is going to get the job done.
If you can read a 20 hour long VN no problem but get bored watching a 20 min long episode then you're the problem.
>replying to lq bait
You would know that Ito already died in today's episode, if you finished the credits
If you donate your monies.
I hope you're aware that Uchikoshi's next work is the Punchline game and not ZE3
Yes, and there is nothing wrong with that. Or, perhaps are you a newfag?
Nope. He said in the same interview where he spoke of waiting for episode 6 before dropping that he was making a game of this. It should be obvious with all the game elements the anime has (leveling up, bad endings scenario interactions and other stuff)
You can have an opinion, as long as it itsn't saying that something shouldn't have been made. At that point, you're just as bad as the SJW saying anime shouldn't have been made because it turns people iinto NEETs and child molesters
Is it that hard to figure out that they're just showing scattered pieces of the puzzle instead of explaining the whole picture because there's an element of mystery in this show just like in every single one of Uchikoshi's games? Sure it's all still pretty vague but it's obvious why they'd want to keep it that way for a while, and a lot of seemly nonsensical developments should end up making sense in hindsight.
Hopefully we were told to watch until ep 6 because that's when we'll have enough hints to start putting together some serious speculation instead of just being confused.
Only retarded normalfags won't get it
Uchikoshi's methods are always nonlinear, you know.
When we saw mikatan saw take those meds. that little line or whatever she said wasn't a kind of incantation for a spell or anything was it? Because it kinda gave off the vibe of being one and if so could it be why yuuta found ito dead (Aside from the she was gonna die on "x") day anyway though i might just be imagining things.
I started off really hating this, enraged that he would waste his talents on such shitty tripe.
I still feel this way as far as the... I don't know, subject matter? goes.
But I'm enjoying it now because I can see the way he works in this, multiple layers of complexity, things aren't explained straight out until later, a lot of set-up for later pay-offs, lots of small detail you need to pay attention to.
I still wish he'd picked something other than "LOL PANTIES" as the core of his story, but I am having fun nevertheless.
No, it was just a simple lullaby to make her feel better. If you noticed in the first scene of the episode, a girl also sings the same thing
He's just testing you. It's not like if the subject matter is, let say soldiers dying, it does not automatically equate to a good story
Damn, i need to start paying to the subtleties in the show more than i have and just rewatch the episodes for thingsi missed. eh, oh well.
On semi related note: Why did the nips hate ZE and 999? like i remember hearing that west seeems to like it more than the nips or something
Because it was too scary for them. Really.
>So. What the fuck is happening?
>It's like they got 5 characters from different stories and simply mashed them together in a dorm
It's an ensemble cast of game type characters. Starting with episode one, you already saw how "game like" their confrontations are, right? This anime is made to help sell game-related merchandise as well as the usual character-related goods.
Not even that guy, but I can't be the only one who liked Ever 17 even before it started to twist can I? I thought the characters were fun and liked the shenanigans and antics.
What is Tony Stark doing in my animu?
Nah, I really enjoyed it too. Both the character interactions and the build up for the mystery, I thought it had a good balance of fun and intriguing. Even the romance was likeable.
I'm guessing people generally get into it for the pay off in the first place, or just aren't very used to lengthy VNs.
I could see that, being told that the big payoff is the end and to power through the rest could color your view of the rest of the VN. I'm just surprised at just how many people seem to have it that way. Even the random SoL takes on a funny second view when you replay the game.
Tsugumi for example is much more of a bitch to Takeshi in Kid's routes than Takeshi's routes, which makes a lot of sense when you figure out who he is
>Gliese T. Jr
A sailor on the sea during a tempest
>you don't understand the authors writing style
>it's subtlety complex with hints scattered throughout and it'll have a big payoff!
No, the writing and pacing are just a mess. Literally telling us "don't worry, epic twist on episode 6!" doesn't excuse the piss poor writing thus far. When there isn't any sense of cohesion or consistency you can't just scream 2deep4u to cover the glaring flaws.
It's ok to admit you cat follow what's going on anon, we all have a decent idea of what's happening. That you can't wrap your head around anything beyond a SoL is nothing to be ashamed of.
What you're following are details, there is still no decisive plot. There is literally started to be a twist in episode 6 which will set the real stage. You claiming you completely understand what's going on is objectively wrong, as information is purposefully being withheld from the audience.
Try watching something by ABe or Ikuhara, those are good stories. This is border line retarded, but throws vague details and impending that's of doom at you to trick you into thinking there's a greater narrative. I'm sorry you fell for such a shallow trick.
When you're trying to deflect because you know you don't have a point, please at least try to line up your "well you clearly only like X anime" insults. This just makes you look pathetic.
>there is still no decisive plot.
Yeah there is. MC wants to take back his body and stop the meteor from crashing on earth. That's the decisive plot.
There might be twists and turns that change the way we see those things, but it doesn't change the fact that they are 100% plot.
I take it you haven't read the other works of the author then? Because he's successfully done the "throw out single pieces of information one at a time until they line up" schtick a few times now. He's flat out said he thinks of the twist he wants to write and then makes the rest of the story around it, so I think I can assume all the blatant hints we've gotten that we're already piecing together can let me assume similar things are to come.
So you know they're full of shit and flinging insults baselessly?
What about the superhero stuff? Who took MCs body? Why hasn't he done anything to actually take it back? Who are the criminals actually? What about the sleepwalking and future instructions? Saying that I just don't the authors style doesn't make the worrying any less stupid. He's not writing a story, he's writing a twist and sloppily framing it with some details. If shock value (despite already knowing it's coming) is enough to keep you interested, then by all means continue to enjoy fanfic tier writing.
Good effort, but I'm not spoonfeeding you the answers, try watching the anime again and about half of those answers at least will come to you. If you had these questions after the aime it would be another thing, but complaining about being only halfway through the story and not knowing the entire mystery yet is hilariously shit as far as criticisms go.
>Who is Archer? Why is he trying to kill Shirou? Why is he so crazy anyways? What's with Sakura not getting any screentime?
>What about the superhero stuff?
What about it? Three children were being experimented on to be turned into supersoldiers/superheroes/whatever, Mikatan became a superhero, White haired guy became a bad guy, status of the third one is unknown so far.
>Who took MCs body?
Who knows? Best theory so far is future MC.
> Why hasn't he done anything to actually take it back?
He needs more spiritual power/The nandala mandala book to do it.
>Who are the criminals actually?
The Qmei group.
>What about the sleepwalking and future instructions?
Probably future MC timetraveling back 24 years.
>He's not writing a story, he's writing a twist and sloppily framing it with some details
Try educating yourself first before making retarded criticisms.
Read >>124785205 some Agatha Christie, she's a classic author and her books perfectly describes what you say.
Except there's no central idea being focused on. Just vague concepts followed by a twist for shock value. A mystery novel has a logical flow of ideas that lead to a big reveal. This is illogical concepts, poor characterization and time loops thrown in for good measure.
The problem is that none of the story has any sense of progression or cohesion, so no matter what twist is, it's not going to have any real impact. Nothing has been established or built up to enough where a subversion would elicit any task response. The only things that were actually built up to are the end of the world, which is still vague, and the characters themselves, which as we saw this week can flip their personalities at the drop of a hat. How does a big twist thrown into a nonsensical mess make for good writing?
>There is no central idea being focused on
The meteor is going to crash and destroy the world, if you look at panties twice you cant stop it and the world ends, time to restart to make sure you stop that meteor.
I wonder what the central idea is?
The end of the world is not vague, it's a meteor set to destroy the world. Sure you might not be as invested in the characters as you might be were this a visual novel, but that's not even your gripe as much as you're bitching about not having the answers and the fact the story isn't linear. The story has plenty of progression if you pay attention, we're learning more and more about what's going on each week and it leaves you with some answers and some questions with lots of room for discussion and guesswork. The fact this all flies right over your head and you decide it's all useless shit is your own fault not the author's. Deciding the twist will have no impact when so far they've all done well before it even happens is also pretty hilarious.
Go ahead and keep it up, I've needed these laughs.
That rarely happens anymore in this fanbase. People just kind of say shit now and to them at least it's just the truth and no further explanation is necessary. It's also a good baiting technique whi H is what it's all about at the end of the day. No actual discussion goes on in the anime fandom anymore.
They're making this because of their love of art.
Nah, I'll stop. They've literally given a premise (end of the world is coming). They've done nothing to really delve into the idea, the characters are all so paper thin that their personalities can flip flop within an episode as hard as they did, and despite them having an end game, we've been fed plenty of details that have virtually no links between them (why child experiments? Why a robot? Why the spirits? Who's the cat? Why steal MCs body? Why the bear?). As loose as it all is, a "twist" will just end up feeling like exposition on the premise because we know the "real story" won't be happening till then.
If you want to tell yourself it's clever writing, then go right ahead and enjoy it.
I don't know either.
Maybe I'm just expecting something serious to happen or MAPPA just wanted to do a funny show with funny characters.
I can't tell if a bombshell development is going to happen or it'll be just 5 of them having fun.
I've never understood why people seem to like this sort of VN style approach. Hey we have 11 episodes but let's just have nothing really nothing happening at all but a bunch of antics for like most of a show and then right near the end suddenly everything is happening and then throw in some sort of cliche sob story dark twist that probably revolves around some cute girl dying horribly and suddenly everyone is praising the show and the writer to the high heavens. It's so bloody predictable that's how this is all going to play out there's almost no point in watching this show and we might as well skip to the finale where everyone will be sucking this Uchikoshi guys sick and hailing the show as a masterpiece.
Personally I think it's a totally deliberate way of manipulating gullible idiots expectations. Knowing that the only thing most people remember of these things anyway is the ending they just deliberately make the beginning retarded but promise some huge twist later on to keep people watching keep the current reception low but anticipation high so that whatever the twist is will look godly to people with no short term memory (as in the people most likely to stick around with shit like this) and they'll just forget about the shitty as fuck plodding nonsensical first half. It's just so obvious they're manipulating people's expectations so that they only have to put any real effort into the second half of the show and can still come out with people praising the whole damn thing in the end and I've just seen it so many times now with VN stories especially. It's a shitty way to run a show and I can't believe how many people fall for it every single time. Like just make something good and totally consistent from the get go, plenty of other shoes are pulling it off just fine this season.
>They've done nothing to delve into the idea
Did you watch this episode? It was quite blatantly stated that Qmay is actively sabotaging attempts to stop the world ending. I don't know about you but that sounds like delving into it to me.
Stupid people like to feel smart. Give them a mess of a story with nothing to grasp outside a twist, then they can tell anyone who criticizes it "haha you just don't get it! It's all about the twist!" Without ever explaining what made the reveal good or well thought out in the first place.
>evil organization wants to destroy the world
You're right. They did a lot there. Now I'm emotionally and intellectually invested, and the twist will undoubtedly have a huge impact on me.
You're the one who's dealing in absolutes here, sorry if I pointed out one of them that was objectively false since you can claim subjective things like the twist not impacting you as much as you want no matter if it was good or not.
>They've done nothing to really delve into the idea
Except explain how the NSA is trying to stop it with missiles and the Qmei is working to stop that.
>we've been fed plenty of details that have virtually no links between them
Sure they do have links:
-Meika was built from plans that Rabura wrote 24 years ago while being possessed.
-Meika raised Mikatan so that she'd be a super hero.
-Meika and the white haired dude from Qmei were child experiments together.
-Rabura is dating dude from NSA
-Dude from NSA needs Meika's hacking skills to be able to fire missiles on the meteor.
You just can't pretend that nothing is connected.
No its shitty manipulative writing. Clever writing invokes the idea of a show with tonal consistency where you start to give a fuck early on and it speaks for itself, not because the writer asks people to watch until the halfway point with the promise that things will become more interesting. Why should a writer ever need to do that, that should be your immediate warning bell right there to not even bother following it live if at all. Imagine the writer of Game of Thrones saying don't worry guys it's going to look like crap for half it's run but I swear to god it gets better after that .
Wow everyone is fussed up on a show about panties. Why can't we just enjoy the ride?
You wanted them to animate a virus hacking a satellite? That's your gripe?
Do you know what delved into means? There's been nothing given on motivations or reasons for literally any of the greater plot. The closest thing we have to a motive is a girl dressing up as an alien because wants to get laid.
It's just what Aniplex does lately They've had a couple of recent hits using popular writers of Visual Novels with originals so they roll with it again here. I never get the sense they have a set plan for anything, they just seem to gather as many popular people to work on something and hope for the best and that their popularity and individual fanbase will carry a cluster fuck into hit territory. So far it's worked pretty much every single time. Sometimes you get a good show like with Madoka, but usually you just get Guilty Crown, Aldnoah or stuff like this has been so far. Basically I won't be surprised if the producers are the ones actually calling the shots here and are just trying to recreate the conditions that resulted in Madoka becoming a hit. That's what their past half dozen or so originals have felt like in any case.
Chichibu, Rabura: chi chi bura bura = swaying tits
Daihatsu, Meika: daihatsumeika = great inventor
Hikiotani, Ito: hiki(komori) ota(ku) nito = Shut-in otaku NEET
Narugino, Mikatan: seigi no mikata (this is a kanji joke) = ally of justice
Strange Juice: (st) orange juice
Chiranosuke: chira no suke = peeking helper
Iridatsu, Yuuta: yuutai ridatsu = out of body experience
Muhi: kanji joke removing the bottom of the kanji for kuma, meaning bear (熊), resulting in Muhi (ムヒ)
The cast should be the ones involved in the actual events of the plot. Same issue with the news report about a girl dying. This is okay if it was a background element or something that would come up later, but it directly set the the plot for today's episode, in which the female's cast's actions had no relation to what is clearly the actual plot.
"Show, don't tell" is literally the most basic screenwriting rule. If you want to have a satellite being hacked, open the episode up with a bunch of NSA guys freaking the fuck out in a command centre. This writing is incredibly amateur.
When you read mystery novels, do you expect to know who the real culprit is and what their motivations are before you even hit the halfway point?
If this was episode 8/12, I'd agree to an extent. But it's not. We're only a third of the way into the show. We're starting to get an idea of how all the plot threads and characters are interconnected.
Show don't tell is quite literally half the show so far and you're complaining they haven't told you clearly enough. The irony in this is thick.
No, but I expect a crime, motives, suspects ideas and events that aren't disjointed SoL, ominous foreshadowing and a cat that gives the most banal exposition possible and is literally a contrived plot device to move the story towards the twist while shamelessly denying any real progresson for the sake of "suspense".
Honestly I really hope this show does continue to flop as it's just becoming increasingly clear that most VN writers have no business being anywhere near TV anime for the most part. The only reason this is even happening to the extent it is these days is because of Urobuchi really though at least he brings in some ideas that don't just revolve around the otaku lifestyle and sensibilities so he's fit in for the most part when actually allowed to work as part of a team and where he's being supervised. Many of these other writers though like Maeda, Uchikoshi and Maruto just strike me as limited in experience both professionally and world wise (though using that JIN guy for Mekaku City Actors took the cake) enough to have any key or special insight into anything relevant to your average everyday person and can largely just write from an otaku centric perspective and about things that make sense to otaku that they can comprehend. Things like cute girls doing cute things and then maybe dying horribly and ironically and stories about "woe is me, boy does my hikkikomori life suck....oh hey wish fulfillment time".
For catering to the otaku crowd and their fans from the VN scene this approach doesn't really matter much, for most average people (as in anyone that isn't a dedicated stereotypical LN reading, VN playing, idol loving otaku either in Japan or abroad) they're probably wondering what the actual fuck, but then that's why it's on at midnight on a Saturday when most people would be busy actually doing something as opposed to sitting at home in front of the TV watching otaku anime.
Honestly though you can just see the difference most of the time when a show gets a writer with some actual perspective and experience in the field of screenwriting for TV versus someone who writes visual novels for otaku from an otaku centric perspective.
Honestly this is about the best you can expect from shows clearly aimed at otaku and the authors fans like this one is. This is the reality of the current noitaminA. It's gone from being a normalfag block to full on hardcore otaku fanwank central. Something eventually might happen that gives the story a little more definition and grounding, but that's just the reality of the block it's airing in now and this is generally the kind of storytelling and style that that audience likes. I'm honestly just not even surprised and don't know how anybody can be really. The only thing that interests me is to see what the twist is and how hard it manages to hook people or not. Personally I just don't see how it is, expectations are damn low at this point so just about anything eventful happening will look like a monumental triumph of screenwriting and considering the target audience that's probably all it'll take to push this show into hit territory.
I mean fuck when it comes down to a noitaminA show having an event ticket for it's Blu-Ray when the blocks original mission statement was "to launch a block with the intention of expanding the target audience beyond the typical young male demographic." what does that say? Who do you think is interested in things like event tickets cause I can tell you it's not people that aren't the typical young male demo.
Err yeah that was my point, that if it were aimed at normalfags it wouldn't be on at that time. Incidentally I forget it airs on Thursday on noitaminA because a part of me is still having trouble registering this as a noitaminA series as opposed to something that would normally air in Aniplex's Saturday otaku block alongside Gunslinger Stratos.
Try working on that reading comprehension a little bit. I know /a just hates actually reading what people write and just insists on making up their own versions of reality but come on already.
If you write a twist into a show, you don't fucking tell the audience. What Uchikoshi did is literally the clickbait of writing, "You won't believe what happens in episode 6!". Now people are just watching to see what happens, not because the content is actually good. And in 2 weeks when episode 6 does happen, it's going to be underwhelming because we've been guessing it the entire time and it wasn't a blindside. Hell, the show itself isn't even hiding the fact that there's more going on, it's just doing it so poorly.
Where earlier noitaminA shows no doing very well? I know Psycho-Pass killed it, but did anything else? Maybe they where forced to give up on the dream and resort to the usual pandering because it wasn't losing everyone money.
....Okay.....well my job often involves working later in the day and often late into the night. Not really sure what else to say. Not everybody in the worlds job involves typical 9-5 and then you fuck off and go home schedules. Also if you think this is the way it works in Japan especially than think again pal.
Yeah I know, it's pure strategy and nothing else, but what can you expect out of this industry these days. This isn't the first time Aniplex has run a noitaminA show and had a key staffer leak to potential fans that they absolutely have to watch a specific episode coming up in the future. They did it with Saekano and it's episode 6 and it worked so I'm not surprised they're doing it here. Again everything about the way this show is being constructed screams trying to manage and manipulate the expectations of the viewer. It's extremely bad and desperate promotion but again what else do you expect from this industry and producer at this point that will do and say anything to draw attention to their shit including claiming that Aldnoah.Zero will surpass Gundam and that Guilty Crown will feature cutting edge writing and themes that will set the pace for the next generation of anime and it's creators.
Well that's kind of what's in and popular now with anime writing and conceptual design. Monogatari did it to the tune of becoming a smash hit after all. It's all about that meta otaku wank sweet spot and trying to have your cake and eat it too by having tons of fanservice and snappy dialogue and basically being self aware that you're just largely fucking around for the must part and then right near the end of an arc shit starts to happen all at once that is generally nothing special, but it's about making it look that way, especially in comparison to what preceded it, and managing the expectations and simple wants and needs of the viewer that seems all the rage right now.
It's because this formula and meta approach HAS worked so well for Aniplex and these eroge writers with their unorthodox and IMO completely backwards approaches to screenwriting that they keep tapping before that they keep taking this approach and it's not going to stop until it just stops working for them like it has.
Don't get me wrong I personally don't feel that this is how writing for TV is supposed to be done period, anime, live action or whatever, but in the case of the otaku audiences that are likely to buy shit I just can't deny that it works and works really fucking well. If this is what people want to see than there's not much that can be said other than it just doesn't work for me.
Basically there's two ways it can go. Either people are really underwhelmed because they expect something big to happen and it's not what they expected, or they've been so underwhelmed to date that the twist makes them go "OMG HOLY SHIT THIS SHOW JUST GOT HYPE" and it blows up into a huge hit. It could really go either way.
I downloaded the first three episodes to give it the 3 episode rule, and I couldn't even stand episode one. Its literally one of the worst pieces of shit I've seen, and I spent an entire season watching a masochist wiener dog obsessed with books live with a dominatrix. Am I missing something appealing? Sometimes fanservice is enough, but everything about this feels terrible.
The only noitaminA shows I can ever recall being hits were the ones that started airing when Aniplex took over managing the block and started working towards shows that would cater more to otaku and become commercial hits. They started out rather reasonably with stuff like Ano Hana that general audiences could still enjoy (and which was also the blocks biggest commercial hit and A-1 Pictures only real notable original hit ever), but then started moving further and further into just going full on otaku pandering to the point where noitaminA is now compromised largely of shows like Guilty Crown, Black Rock Shooter, Saekano, World Conquest Zvezda, Galilei Donna, Nanana's Buried Treasure and now Punchline. Occasionally you still get something like Ping Pong or Silver Spoon, but recently it just feels like another block where Aniplex can just stick their bad design by committee to try and be popular and sell Blu-Rays shows that they can't fit into their Saturday block cause it's already full.