Archer and Lancer delivered the best fight yet again. All that Type Moon money went to the right place.
Seconded, these plebs who only knows to react "rushed episodes" blah blah blah who don't even how to appreciate at least the effort the animation studio made on delivering to us this kind of god-tier quality.
As a fan of the VN, it's been really cool to see a lot of these scenes animated with Ufotable's seemingly unlimited budget (works). I always avoided the previous adaptions because everyone seemed against them. Or at least, the original TV airing. Can't wait to see things as they ramp up even further.
Rewatch the episode and pay attention to how long they are actually fighting
They jump at each other with sparks all around them for literally 20 seconds then gae bolg and shield
And its over
ITs extremely short and pathetic
When lancer threw his spear this episode I nearly creamed my pants. I don't really get why people complain about the animation or the pacing, I actually think it feels like its a lot slower than the original source especially since they add all these extra scenes like with the maids, caster's summoner, and with souichirou but I really have no complaints about any of that
The days those terms hit 4chan was analogous to the day that the bubonic plague hit the Black Sea.
It would just be swinging shapes for a while, no matter how good the animation is, two characters just flailing at each other with no changes in between would just get repetitive
I don't remember it exploding in the VN. I don't remember if it was stated in the VN or some data book later, but if layers of Rho are destroyed, it causes physical damage to it's user, and that's why Archer was all fucked up.
Depends how you animate it, you can do it in a slower motion and have internal dialoges and everything, but kids these days like the jedi fights full of sparks.
And the time constraints of the episode dont help either I guess.
>It doesnt get repetitive in the VN and there it goes for a long ass time
Yes, it did, they talked even more than they did on TV and Nasu's habit of extending the battles like they're bands of rubber to get as big a pop as possible in the end can be pretty tedious.
>kuro vs altSeibah
That fight was shit, anon.
All the shitty camera-swinging tried too hard to create a sense of motion and instead wound up creating a sense of the cameraman being totally fucking piss-drunk.
A fight is better when it thrives of emotional tension instead of flash and camera-swinging.
If we can take ANY lesson from the clusterfuck of failure and AIDS that was the Star Wars prequels, it's that.
Nasu fanboys have a strange internal monologue fetish. Nasu can write the worst shit but they will still eat it because It's an internal monologue.
Also no internal monologue. = It's shit, no matter if it was bad and/or totally useless
They complain because it's /a/ culture to shit on things even remotely popular.
This place really is a shithole but it's unfortunatly the only anime based site that doesn't make you cringe every other post.
>That shield is actually a sword
That's Aias' Shield.
That's when it strikes the target. Gae Bolg was off screen when it shattered the last petal and struck Archer, so we didn't see the splitting.
Rather, the splitting was the hugefuck nuke when Aias shattered.
Gae Bolg – Spear of Striking Death Flight
Type: Anti-army Noble Phantasm
Maximum targets: 50 persons
The largest and most powerful attack delivered using Gae Bolg. The “attack that unleashes countless darts at the enemy” which legends speak of is Gae Bolg – Striking Death Flight. After accelerating through an approach run, Cú Chulainn takes to the skies and activates Striking Death Flight by hurling it towards the ground with all his might.
Different from Gae Bolg – Piercing Death Thorn, Striking Death Flight does not carry the property or concept of “always pierces the opponent’s heart”, but compared to Piercing Death Thorn, both power and area of effect are increased (intense consumption of Magic Energy). It is a technique that attacks the enemies together with the surrounding area, in a carpet bombing fashion. Even resilient bulwark or agile body are not immune to the power of Striking Death Flight; Gae Bolg will send the enemy horde flying. In legend, the demonic spear is said to split into 30 and pour down over the enemy, but it seems the number has increased after Cú Chulainn became a Heroic Spirit. During the battle with Emiya, Emiya spoke of Striking Death Flight “exceeding the original, Gungnir – Declaration of the Great God”.
Well, good chunk of the Archer vs Lancer fights were animated by Ufo's best action animator after all.
This show is utterly boring and poorly directed. I felt more tension reading the first few lines of the VN (didn't finish it yet) than in the entirety of the show and I really loved Fate/Zero. Why did they let Kara no Kyoukai 6 man do this? WHY?
No, but the Berserker fight was lame as well. Most fights which include Gilgamesh are, because his fighting style is boring.
But it's true. There is no tension, the camera angles and presentation are as basic as they get, go watch a good movie or heck, even Fate/Zero to see what good directing can do.
>I felt more tension reading the first few lines of the VN
>There is no tension, the camera angles and presentation are as basic as they get
Well, If you aren't the legendary Tension-kun, you must be his siamese twin.
Stop lying, Tension-kun
Sort of losing my patience to be honest. I keep waiting for something awesome to happen, and when it finally does it feels super brief and interspaced between a boatload of exposition and or taunting.
Any person who didn't just watch 10 anime in their lifetime would recognize that UBW's presentation is fucking boring. The source material and the prequel are great, but this just isn't.
Rin vs Caster was kind of lame but picked up at the end. I was surprised though - in the opening sequence we see Caster fighting Lancer.
And also that Archer took him out so easily considering teacher guy smacked saber around last season.
Did anybody say they want 25 minutes of action? People just want something interesting to happen and not this piece of boring ass shit about people talking like they know anything about psychology.
>And also that Archer took him out so easily considering teacher guy smacked saber around last season.
There was literally a cut showing Caster's magical enhancement disappearing from Kuzuki's fists.
In the Saber fight Kuzuki's physical abilities were enhanced by Caster. As soon as Caster died, Kuzuki was just your ordinary Martial Artist and no real match for Archer (they briefly show how the magic disappears around his fists). He also didn't have the element of surprise that he did against Saber.
Yes I can. This is boring ass shit with lens flare and fucking obvious cgi in almost anything. The character design look stupid and the noses is fucking hell. Half of the show consist of moving mouth talking nonsense. Fuck this shit.
>beamspams and forcefield
Thanks for reminding me once again why Zero was 666x better.
>You will thank me later shit gets so intense I almost cry out with the characters
His skills are uninteresting.
No, instead they were fucking nothing at all. Fate/Zero fights were absolute shit until the very last day. Caster's fight wasn't even mildly interesting; if you want to talk about fights lacking tension, how about the gigantic space monster that killed nobody and accomplished nothing?
Ufo is showing off how much money they are making out of this.
Personally the scene was way too exaggerated. I don't think there was supposed to be explosions, or Archer's clothes disintegrating. Ufotable is definitely making UBW way more chuuni than it already is.
Kekkai Sensen has better fights, to be honest. Seraph my take that title soon though.
No need to get mad, having two (siamese twins) heroes who can use the Delusion Marble "Unlimited Cringeworthy Post" is pretty entertaining.
Wait, are you Tension-kun from the future buy chance?
>Personally the scene was way too exaggerated. I don't think there was supposed to be explosions
What the fuck do you expect that happens when you block an Anti-Army Noble Phantasm?
It's not just "throwing a spear really hard"
Better introduction to the setting and world building, proper theme exploration, more and better relevant dialogue to flesh out said world, themes and characters, better pacing, better build-ups and pay-offs.
Threadly reminder that people like this are currently in these threads.
>or Archer's clothes disintegrating
Did you forget the fact that Archer's arm was nearly blown off in the VN?
Oh wait, you probably didn't even read it.
That's right. This will probably be the last good fight scene (unless you guys got to Caster's death already) since they will probably make Shirou move like a servant for whatever reason.
I did read it. I just didn't care enough to remember. The entire route was shit anyway.
Yes, the anime doesn't give you time to get attached to anyone, despite three episodes with double the length in season 1. Squeezing the source material into just ~27 episodes is really hard, especially with such a hack as a director.
>Yeah, I'll take the realistically portrayed duels
In mythological battles?
Did someone not read the Iliad with limbs flying every which way?
Or Celtic myths where Cuchulainn punched some people so hard they literally exploded?
I'm pretty sure this hits 50 persons or more
Why is that completly different from what the VN says?
It feels so awkward and unnatural when they switch between SoL and the HGW, they just don't have enough time to do it right. Season 1 did that somewhat better, but Season 2 is a failure and it doesn't even look that good. Hibike Euphonium and even Fate/Zero looked better.
Hey I'm perfectly fine with valid points, but saying that "Archer's clothes shouldn't have been torn off" while in the VN his arm is just hanging on a thread is just stupid.
Valid points, not random ramblings of someone who just doesn't like the show to begin with.
Why did Gay Bulge activate if Archer could deflect it? It's supposed to have already pierced one's heart if it activates.
If you must fight, do it with stick figures like patricians.
No, Fate/Zero looked better, especially in terms of directing. Only thing that wasn't as good, was the amount of details in the actual animation, but the rest starting from the character models to the backgrounds and visual diversity was superior in Fate/Zero.
They're not "realistic" at all in Zero and heroes should not be constrained by realism.
Zero's battles aren't even realistic. I guess you missed the part where Saber flips over Diarmuid's slash in their first fight? If you want realistic fights in anime, go watch Junketsu no Maria. Now that show had some proper research into armed combat techniques.
Fuck off britbong
>the rest starting from the character models
Haha, no. The characters looked ugly as butt, especially towards the end when the caffeine-overdozed animators clearly couldn't even see straight anymore.
Fate/Zero 2nd Season looks better than Kara no Kyoukai and UBW combined most of the time. If you watched all of them in BD quality, you'd knew that. UBW's characters look ugly as butt, just look at Rin and all the other ANTEATER SNOUTS. Fate/Zero always looked great, except for the Holy Grail Dialogue.
I'd love the series to have "Naruto-tier" animation if it meant getting animation of this caliber.
It is actually explained that both versions of Gae Bolg are unblockable and unavoidable but in a different way. Anti-unit has the whole causality effect and Anti-army is carpet bombing that leave no place to avoid its thorns, but no causality trick.
How the fuck does Archer heal that fast enough to fight Shirou moments later?
Specially considering he spends his whole stay in Fate route healing the wound he got from Saber. And with no master.
Fate/Zero main weakness was how plain some characters were at times, and that was even more true in the 2nd Cour. Add to that the characters designed by Ikariya were kinda off compared to the ones by the other character designers.
Saber seemed to have no issues with announcing her challenge after flying off the cliff, by shouting Rider's name, and right after that it seems before they even clashed she realized something was wrong and sort of hesitated. Yet when she lands on the ground, knowing that Irisviel is not at the scene, she doesn't seem to actually talk to Rider or try to clear anything up.
Instead the scene breaks off, and when we return, both sides are already ready to fight it out without saying anything to each other at all. This leads me to wonder if there is a scene missing where Saber tries to reason with Rider, but he wants to defeat her so badly he won't let her leave even though she knows they're not involved. If there is such a scene, it would also explain why after failing to kill both Rider and Waver with the attack, she chooses to leave instead of attacking them further. But right now as it is, it just seems kinda odd and poorly set up.
No they are not, UBW is far more solid in that and has an obvious bigger budget. The problem in UBW is the characters designed by Tabata (like Rin) that look a bit off in profile shots.
The cake Shinji certainly didn't get for his berthday
>you would know history if you were as intelligent as me as read wikipedia
>no you would know history if you were as intelligent as me and read this one article in my sister's glamor magazine last year
>no it is i who is more intelligent
It's like I'm really on total war general again...
Saber riding a fucking motorcyle.
Gilgamesh getting his own plane.
Lancelot stealing a plane.
Rider being GOAT tier king and broing it up with Waver.
Zero was amazing sometimes. UBW just isn't nearly as cool.
They make atom bomb-like explosions and nobody notices this shit. Like when Berserker fought in S1 right next to a bunch of houses. The fights in UBW are just retarded and make no sense. It's just Naruto power level battles with no real strategy. Fate/Zero Saber vs Lancer #1 was still the best Type-Moon fight put to animation.
She made a split second decision to stand and fight even though she knew she had been mislead.
>The truth was still unclear, but now an intense premonition rushed forth into Saber’s heart that she had been tricked. That feeling made her restless. While Saber had been pursuit Rider, the culprit that had set Rider up might be fleeing with Irisviel even now.
>She could not stay here any longer. She needed to return to Shinto as quickly as possible to search for Irisviel.
>And yet—though this judgment was entirely accurate, Saber did not move. There was a tense aura about her body, like the rising wind that heralds a coming storm; no useless action was allowed. She gazed upon the danger before her eyes, taking her stance and preparing to go all out at any time.
>About a hundred meters away, Rider’s chariot also slowed to a stop. And it had reversed the direction that it was facing, too. All this time, it had moved straight forward to let Saber trail in its dust, but now it actually turned around; the eyes of the two divine bulls, as well as their master the King of Conquerors, were filled with a feeling of the joy of battle; he looked upon Saber with a captivating gaze.
>There was no need to guess. Rider’s intentions were very obvious—he intended to fight.
>From his eyes could not be seen the slightest shadow of deception or scheming; he had truly been set up. The fires of rage burned in the eyes of the King of Conquerors as if demonstrating his might and saying ‘No matter how you may stab me, I will return it in equal measure’.
>If Rider had moved east because he had the intention to challenge Saber, then his situation was different from that of Saber who had been led into a trap; he was in no way opposed to the current situation.
>Precisely because of this, if she were to ignore the problem of Rider and return to Fuyuki City, this would mean that she would be victim to Rider’s attack from behind while she was completely unprepared.
I felt like the animation didn't do Rin's fight justice. When I read the VN, I got the feeling that Caster was very serious and was having a pretty big shoot out with Rin (though still one sided because of the jewel limitations). This felt less like Rin was managing to match Caster's stronger spells and more like she was blocking some pity potshots which is probably why her gem magic seems disappointing to some.
>10 seconds of clashing weapons
>a minute of standing around talking
>30 seconds of lance slowly pierces coloured dome followed by explosion whilst both of the stand around looking at each other
Epic fight scene brah.
Fate/Zero never had this many retarded shots.
People notice all the time.
They promptly get hypnotized and told to shut the fuck up.
The Church works fast.
No fight in Fate/Zero made use of strategy either, at least in any meaningful way, after Diarmuid's gambit against Saber. And one fight does not carry a fucking show.
It had some worse actually. Look at this and tell me this is good.
Ironically, Naruto is shit in many aspects, but it's battle choreography and animation is definitely top-tier in the anime history. You can ask any experienced Japanese animator and you will get the same answer. UBW isn't even close to Naruto if we are talking about fighting scenes.
>Fate/Zero 2nd Season looks better than Kara no Kyoukai and UBW combined most of the time. If you watched all of them in BD quality, you'd knew that.
I own the sodding blu-ray box, m8, and as much as I love the show, even I have to admit the character models and animation are most of the time absolutely hideous. They didn't even bother to fix those horrible quality faces in the debate of Kings and the final battle of Kerry vs Kirei made me want to cry. Sure, there were nice shots along the way too, but few and far in between. UBW has been a LOT better so far.
They never showed shit, thus your argument is invalid. Remember, I'm talking about the anime, not the VN. I loved the VN, but the anime is shit.
Exactly, but they don't present them like that. Even the Naruto fights had more strategy than the UBW anime fights.
For fucks sake why do these people exist?
English is my second language, and while I was browsing some French forums I was curious what they thought of this show and a lot of the people are convinced Ulysse or Ajax is Archer's true identity.
>You can ask any experienced Japanese animator and you will get the same answer.
I haven't heard of veteran animators commenting about the good Naruto fights, but a handful of the web-gen animators definitely have been influenced by Norio Matsumoto's work in Naruto.
Fate/Zero is four years old now and was Ufo's first big TV show with Kara no Kyoukai levels of scale, also that's a TV broadcast screenshot, and Rider is a character with lots of details to take care of, such mistakes are allowed the first time. But now, four years later and with a supposedly bigger budget, it looks even worse than most of Fate/Zero.
Animation looks better in UBW, yes, I admitted that, but the rest does not.
You must be blind then. Iskandar looks like if he is a big retard, his ears are aligned with his mouth, his body shape is completely off and his fingers are just laughable. And the problem is that he looks like this most of the fucking time.
We're talking about the anime here, and no, that was exclusively powerlevel bullshit.
Remember Kirei could only punch a bullet thanks to command spells. He could instantly crush his opponent's heart due to command spells. Kiritsugu could survive this due to Avalon, Kiritsugu could keep up due to Time Alter. It was literally all powerlevels.
Nasu plots are too convenient. Well, so are most plots. Most of his characters (such as Gil) are one-sided and aren't really believable. Shirou is an exception. On Kara no Kyoukai, he fleshes out more characters. On Fate/Zero, Kirei and Kiritsugu are also very well developed, as are most of its characters actually. I've been thinking that F/SN should be rewritten by Urobochi Gen since I've finished the novel.
Why would your sister be reading that?
>But now, four years later and with a supposedly bigger budget, it looks even worse than most of Fate/Zero.
But it does not? The only problem people have is Rin because Tabata design is not for everyone, but that is a design problem. Almost everyone else look better and pretty solid most of the time.
Thrown Gae Bolg has the concept that it will always hit, but not necessarily the heart.
Thrust Gae Bolg is something Cu himself came up with, to maximize the value of "Will always hit" in the most optimal way.
Thrown version is the true way to use the weapon, and the strongest. Thrust is the form he created, creating the greatest value for the dollar, which is practical.
I actually personally find Shirou unbelievable the most out of the cast, minus female King Arthur (who also got a dick from Merlin so she can have a child with another woman).
The whole fire thing didn't seem traumatizing enough to warrant Shirou being "crazy and broken" when he's had years upon years of healing.
You don't remember Gil stuffing Shinji into GoB in the anime, and then throwing him back out onto Ilya's house?
It's an entire pocket dimension that's theoretically infinite in scope. Apparently it was created back when he was alive.
Shirou is basically Kotomine 2.0. His heart died in the fire and he was just void when Kiritsugu found him, so he clinged to Kiritsugu's happiness to find someone alive and was distorted.
>having your home, family, and friends burned to ash around you isn't traumatizing
>wandering the broken streets full of dead and dying people crying for help isn't traumatizing
He was like 8 years old and lived through something worse than most soldiers go through after multiple tours of duty.
Director/Storyboard: Ei Aoki
Animation Directors: Atsuhi Ikariya, Tomonori Sudou, Keita Shimizu, Jun'ya Kikuchi, Toshiyuki Shirai, Shizuka Fujisaki
Shame it wasn't twice as long.
Ufotable handles that kind of detail much more thoroughly.
For example, the fight scene from Fate Zero episode 4 not only shows very detailed collateral damage to the battle's surroundings, it also makes sure that the damage remains intact even between different scenes and different perspectives.
>that was exclusively powerlevel bullshit.
Meticulously planning moves and countermove isn't "powerlevel bullshit" by any mean.
That too. And there are a lot of minor scenes where the characters seriously plan their moves.
Tosaka got fucked because He planned too much.
It really felt like a war.
>Remember Kirei could only punch a bullet thanks to command spells. He could instantly crush his opponent's heart due to command spells. Kiritsugu could survive this due to Avalon, Kiritsugu could keep up due to Time Alter. It was literally all powerlevels.
That's called been unrealistic, strategically using super powers is still strategy, dimwit.
>Kotomine in Zero is just Gen jerking to Kotomine at the end of HF and being boring most of the time.
Congratulations for being so biased.
As a psychotherapist, I'd say it's not that weird
It's mostly hardcore ego death and trauma in early years, where the mind hasn't been able to fully develop itself yet and it hits the hardest.
>Meticulously planning moves and countermove isn't "powerlevel bullshit" by any mean.
There was exactly none of that until the final clash. Kiritsugu winged the whole fucking thing because he didn't expect to survive the first twelve seconds--and in fact he did not, if it weren't for Avalon bringing him back online.
>It really felt like a war.
Well, to be fair that was the intention with Zero. Nasu wanted it to be a standard and gruesome war (to reflect what was explained about it in HF), and Gen took it really seriously.
>screaming makes your attack defeat your opponent
But that's actually true. Yelling tightens your stomach muscles, which is a key to most martial arts. It also scares the fuck out of your opponent. And it also puts more strength into your strike.
Fate/Zero is not a showcase of sakuga, nor does it give the impression that it should be one. ufotable have kept their more notable animators off the project thus far.
If Fate/Zero is anything, it's a showcase of digital photography and simulated cinematography.
Because he promised Rin to not killing him. And once he saw what Archer plan was about, he let him go to do it. Lancer just want to fight, he does not care about the Grail.
What Lancer didn't expected is to Archer bretay Rin again. Later they find him and say it to him and he gets really pissed about it (and offers his help again).
Are you retarded?
First, Rin tells Lancer to not kill him (she wants to recover Saber and Archer, and scold Archer)
Second, Lancer realises at the end of the fight that Archer was actually going to betray Caster
Fun factoid: The director of Fate/Zero has not actually played Fate/stay night.
Food for thought.
・A lot of discussion was had over the idea of wanting F/Z to "be that anime series you look forward to every week"
・Reason F/Z is released in a BD box: It's a show they want you to watch all at once, not volume by volume (why two boxes then lol)
Impossible to include all the extras [52 page pamphlet, bonus footage, and other great stuff] at the typical price of individual volumes
・Where F/Z is in production
The scenario is complete | continuity has made it to around ep 20
Production is moving along as planned and is doing well
・No plans for a Fate/stay night anime remake
・Progress is slowly but surely being made on Girls' Work
What the fuck, how many people do you think live through a firebombing exactly? While hearing the burning screams and miserable pleading of their friends, family, and entire city district?
That is not even close to a common occurrence in real life.
Well, Matsumoto is basically a god so there's nothing really to talk about.
Not to mention other animators like Yamashita, Honda, Hashimoto that worked in Naruto which are all better than anyone Ufotable has.
Ufotable is the one that should take notes. Can't they at least make the fight as interesting as this?
To adapt a prequel that is so heavily tied to the original (to the point that it was written to tie perfectly with it) without reading the original says a lot. Hell Urobuchi doesn't want the Fate/Zero LN being released in english if Fate/stay night is not realeased it first.
Also, the F/Z episodes directed by Ei are probably the blandest ones in terms of direction.
The anime entirely cut out the part of why Archer was able to dodge Cu's attacks despite him no longer holding back anything.
People think at first "Well surely he's still holding back, I mean he promised Rin..." if they had read the text Cu directly states that once the battle started he didn't care about the promise anymore, or it was secondary compared to the fun of battle, he was going all out, yet something was odd as Archer was still able to dodge him despite being far inferior.
Right here in this cap, flat out states he wasn't holding back because of the promise for those people that are like "Well clearly the promise...", then if that logic doesn't work they go "Well that scene probably took place first" which isn't right. It's like how people miss the VN had an entire explanation on how Archer can't perceive Cu's attacks, but due to Mind's Eye he can read the flow and dodge even if he can't grasp it anymore, in conjunction with leaving openings on himself so that he knows where to dodge. This confused Cu who was like "If you were this skilled, there's no way you would have problems with Caster. Why would you even defect?".
Lot of that was half off-topic from my original point since I have to cover the bases on a lot of it so it won't become the exact same argument.
I don't know how they should have done it, but the fight probably should have gone on a bit longer.
Shiki > Shiki > Shirou
Trauma is unique to the individual, and what Shirou went through is far, far worse than what 99.9% of humans will experience in their lifetime. And he experienced it at 8 years old.
>The anime entirely cut out the part of why Archer was able to dodge Cu's attacks despite him no longer holding back anything.
Well, he actually did it in the anime too, it was just faster.
They probably couldn't go all the way because it would make the slow as fuck Zero fights look really weird in comparison. Pretty much the only time a Servant in zero moved even remotely fast as a Servant was when Berserker dealt with the first salvo from Gil's GoB. Everything before that and everything after that was slow as shit.
How exactly do you depict someone leaving fatal openings in their guard so as to goad the enemy into capitalizing on those openings that you have already prepared to defend against?
It's not exactly visual.
I'm just showing what happens when they actually get the budget to do something interesting. Give them the same budget as Ufotable is getting and we could see a much better UBW.
PTSD exist but it isn't as unique as Shirou's. Apparently Shirou is acting like that because he sees people die. How many more people that suffer more than Shirou but still didn't get to be as unique as him.
It's more like Deen actually got a good animator to help out for once. And he's freelance, so even if they had the budget to have him as a regular, one animator along can't carry the show. Ufo's UBW on the other hand has both internal and freelance animators providing the well-animated portions.
>And there are far more human children less unique than Shirou that went through far worse than Shirou
No there aren't. What Shirou lived through is a disaster more terrible than anything most humans will ever witness. You would have to find a child living in a particularly brutal war zone to find somebody with a worse experience than Shirou.
Why side with Caster: To get rid of command spells on him.
What command spell: "Don't attack Shirou"
Why: Killing Shirou is his goal, and meaning at the moment as a man reduced to a mere guardian.
>Apparently Shirou is acting like that because he sees people die.
His family. His friends. Everyone he ever knew and cared about. Not just "people." Basically his whole life was taken from in that fire, what reason did he have to live after everything he cared about was destroyed in front of him? Then forced to watch people scream and beg for help and not being bale to do anything.
And again: he was only 8 years old when this happened.
>And there are children like that
You'd be hard pressed to find any. Disasters of that scale and horror are not common, and children living through them are less common.
>but still isn't as unique as motherfucking Shirou.
Yeah because you interview survivors of horrific disasters all the time and have a wealth of personal knowledge on this subject.
That aside, Shirou is Shirou because he was saved by Kiritsugu. He was effectively dead until Kiritsugu found him, not only saving his life but his reason for living, after everything was taken from him.
The problem is Emiya Shirou, who then dedicated his entire existence into trying to make that ideal come true. Emiya Shirou's own beliefs and actions drove him to become the man that Archer is today. Sure, killing Kiritsugu would mean that Emiya Shirou would never exist. But Archer's goal isn't to just eliminate Emiya Shirou's existence. Archer wants to kill Emiya Shirou, the boy that would walk the same path that Archer did, with his own hands since his source of frustration is with himself.
Does Archer know the Grail is a fake?
Otherwise he could try to go for a wish as "I want to erase my existance on all timelines" or "I want to undo my contract" or something like that that would be a better shot than killing Shirou
Funny how that sounds Madoka-ish
>In the middle east we see a lot more worst things than that.
No you don't. Not unless entire towns are regularly burned out of existence in the middle east, leaving only lone children as survivors.
>Otherwise he could try to go for a wish as "I want to erase my existance on all timelines"
Making Emiya Shirou not exist in the first place would be an even worse divergence, since that ensures that Archer will never appear from that timeline to begin with.
In order for Archer's goal to even have a remote chance of being realized, he has to kill an Emiya Shirou that can become Archer.
People in the middle east get shot at and exploded. This is nothing compared to seeing entire city blocks burn to the ground around you while their inhabitants scream and beg for salvation. Oh, and while you slowly burn to death too, having left your family to die in the fire.
Not even mentioning that it wasn't just a simple fire, that shit angry manjew unleashed definitely didn't help the entire situation, with all the curses and shit.
There's another reason he survived when the rest of his family didn't. In the fire he had to act selfishly to make it out, but especially after he saw that. He didn't wait for them or tell them anything, he just bolted out the door upon witnessing something outside of human understanding. Surviving in that situation was all about one moment after another of selfishness to ensure self-preserverence that has haunted him since, but it started with a single action.
HF puts another layer on that he had to repress to keep going.
The Sun was out at night, that was a huge foreshadowing piece.
Do you want to know HOW she got rich?
Silver Link animated it better.
Ufotable just had more money.
Camera angles and did so with a way lower budget whose main point isn't even about fighting. Again embarrassing. All ufotable did was successfully make things flashy for downies to wet themselves over muh animation, instead of paying attention to how the fight actually played out.
We only see the true grail in the last route
That's still the greater grail, it's just that something is growing in it now. Maybe it would have looked differently at first, but it would have looked like something probably.
Shirou dies in the fire like everyone else, just from the poison fumes instead of burning so his body is intact.
Kerry tries to use Avalon to resurrect the dead, it doesn't work like that so instead we get an empty soul that was created to sustain the body but had no humanity otherwise until it mimicked Kiritsugu.
He remembers the fire but only a remnant of that person is still home, mostly they overlap in the "save family, family dead" part but nothing else is left of the old Shirou. Enjou Tomoe is a similar fake.
Here's the biggest issue with Kiritsugu that nobody brings up:
He knows that the methods he takes is evil. He also doesn't do what he does because he believes it to be the right thing. He does have that belief, but that's not what actually drives him.
No, the problem with Kiritsugu is that he believes that he's killed too much and done too many horrific things that he can't just walk away from it anymore. Having the Holy Grail grant his wish would be great for him not because he'll have some ideal realized, but because he won't have to sacrifice anyone else afterwards.
So regardless of whether or not his view or ideal is actually right, he'll keep going after it since he's stuck on that road.
The greater grail even if completed would never become a hole to Akasha
The idea was that the grail would become an opening to the other side of the world, where infinite mana by today's standards could be found. Then ten years of research plus all this infinite mana would surely reach results to find the root and open the path.
The grail opens a path to the hidden side of the world, and they would use the hidden side to then create the path to the root. Lot of people seem to be sketchy on some of the ins and outs there. Ilya in one route was able to reach the other side of the world, and Sakura is connected to it at the end of one route.
It's also said to be where Avalon and all phantasmal beasts are located, the other side of the world. Where endless mana and prana can sort of be found, and any normal human would probably die pretty quickly there due to the overabundance of prana that's like being underwater.
It seems that Merlin found his way over there, and is surviving just fine. Odd humans can survive there, or creatures that naturally need prana.
The story of Ahmed. He summoned a female King by accident which than he forces to wear a head scarf. He also tries to stop the King from fighting because women should stay in the kitchen cooking for him. His future self is actually one of the best servant that God has ever get. He gets to marry all the girls he fuck because he can.
Caster wasn't Archer's master, and more importantly can't be anyone's master on the account that she is a Servant.
Hell, Fake Assassin's actual master was a building since Caster couldn't do it.
Different anon here:
In Qabbalah terms, going for the Root would be going beyond Kether to Ein Soph Aur.
Opening a hole to "the other side of the world" would be akin to reach the backdoor of Yesod that connects to Binah, beyond the Abyss.
It's funny how fucking fitting it is, if you know about Qabbalah. Not surprising since Nasu took shit from occultism, and also Mythos are closely related to it.
Shirou spent most of life training the one magecraft that he was told to do. Normally, that wouldn't make one develop anything other than the greatest Reinforcement mage in the world, but Shirou didn't follow the normal procedures for that kind of thing. With each use of magecraft, Shirou put his entire body in danger because he was doing it wrong, and although he didn't know that it was the wrong way to do it, he did realize that he was putting his life at risk whenever he did.
This selfless act of putting his life at limb for the sake of his ideal is the very nature of the sword. Shirou's element is sword. His unwavering determination, the balancing act with the magecraft, and the embodiment of his "self" in said magecraft ultimately allowed him to develop a Reality Marble without him even realizing it.
>that wouldn't make one develop anything other than the greatest Reinforcement mage in the world
You can train at something for years, and a genius might walk in and instantly do it better in magecraft terms. Even if he was doing it right and this is all he did, he wouldn't be the best most likely.
Although what you're stating had very little to do with why he developed the reality marble perhaps.
Reality marble; he lived as a certain way, all things of him were that way, he knew who he was, had a strong ego, some circuits, and everything about him followed a certain truth without question. He lived as a sword, had potential for this, and a strong ego, therefore a sapling became a budding tree.
Any magus can develop a reality marble it seems, but it usually takes a few hundred years to get it down. It's noted rather a few DAA tend to have them. DAA after they've lived long enough, they typically live in a certain way with everything they are being geared towards that path, thus they live "as that thing" yet they still have a strong ego and etc. All the pieces just sort of line up naturally with enough time, or by sheer coincidence they lined up here in a speed run version.
Sacchin also developed a reality marble that encapsulated her way of life. Loss without gain, an unlucky sort of person. You could say her high potential also speed ran it, but she also lived as that thing entirely even if just by chance, as everything she ever did was lose without much meaning behind it. Lot of the freaks tend to develop them by chance because the right things line up.
His training in the shed probably didn't account for too much
Yeah, this is why it's Tiphareth as fuck.
The Tree of Life is just a map of self-development (and structure of the World, since they are symetric, As Above, so Below)
The core experience that Tiphareth refers to, is the Beauty of the Realization of the Self.
Most people who seek for that actually went through some kind of ego-death, akin to Shirou's Fire, in order to get rid or at least lessen the ego and see beyond. Drugs, hypnosis, ceremonies, meditation, actual accidental trauma... Basically deconditioning, undoing yourself. (Solve in alchemical terms)
Then comes Coagula, that is, remaking yourself as aligned to your True Will.
That is, to understand who you truly are, beyond the social conditioning that's a product of you existing in a certain place and time. So, the Timeless you. The Archetype of Yourself.
So basically, Shirou suffered an ego death via trauma early on in a way he never could reform it again. Then he slowly became aligned to his own nature, his Origin, Sword.
A Reality Marble is basically an outward expression of this core being.
His "It wasn't a mistake!" is him realising the Beauty in himself.
Thanks Nasu for making my occult boner so hard
>"See, it's easy. Ciel, you're pretty stupid to feel like you're insured by doing something anyone can do. What are you thinking, trying to go against me with just one act of love?"
Why does Arcueid have such an extremely casual attitude towards physical intimacy with others?
It's just putting your thing in someone elses thing and going "Haa haa" for awhile. Probably anyone can do that much.
For a vampire it must be such a strange yet quaint concept.
Like how people view flowers having sex as just "Oh, alright".
Why did Shirou fall into Archer class when he already left archery and loved sword so much?
She goes "Shiki, I've never known a vampire to kiss before" right before they have sex when they end up making out. The more you consider it the more you realize how distant the concept is from her race, like a lower life forms breeding method that she's heard about in theory.
She's heard the concepts, but they are strange and quaint to her entirely. That's not how vampires or true ancestors reproduce so much, but technically she has all the parts to make it happen. It's entirely a foreign concept to her that she knows about until it happens. First thing anyone does when they don't understand another point in Type Moon threads is go "You just didn't read it, only I read it".
How often do you think she's had sex before this if you think it's not strange or quaint to her? It's not even anything she's considered before, it's just how the ants breed to her, in the sense that it's just how this species you're surrounded by and were designed to look like do it, but you're something else entirely and above them. You've heard it in passing, you're briefed on the concept, maybe it doesn't mean much to you unless the situation sort of leads to it meaning something as you fall in love with one, since otherwise its just "That thing these creatures do".
Ciel has a scene where the design team basically admits that Ciel isn't worth the time to create anything for. That's not fanwank... that's just suffering.
The most development Ciel gets in KT is when she confronts her nightmare with Shiki. That scene made me remember that, hey, Ciel actually has a backstory, and her route was kind of interesting, too. Ciel's route is the one I always remember the least about, and that makes me sad.
Kohaku gets tons of side stuff. Akiha gets her own continuation of her path. Hisui gets her picnic with Shiki. Arc gets to be Arc.
Ciel gets... a Messian curry scene, one Hajime no Ippo reference with Arc as the primary lead, and is eaten by her worst nightmare.
Being Ciel is suffering.
No on Saber. You need good stats or hax like Nero to qualify. Yes on Assassin if that card game is to be believed. Hopefully Grand Order lists all possible classes even if they don't get made.
>I actually can't believe Nasu never had him project a bow.
He did it like four times, damn you're stupid. They even have a data-book entry about the time he did it in Fate route against Berserker.
>User: Emiya Shirou
>A bow that Emiya Shirou made during the fight against Berserker. He attempted to create a copy of Archer’s bow, by using strengthening magecraft on a tree branch. Though the design is more or less the same, if you compare it to Archer’s bow the arrow rest and grip are amateurish and simple. Furthermore, it is a bit less curved, more akin to a Japanese bow than a Western one. It seems that Shirou, as a practitioner of Japanese archery accustomed to the Japanese method of shooting, altered the bow into this shape without realizing it.
Dunno how people forget Archer traces that signature bow a lot either.
If she overloads ten years of prana into one bullet, and they for some reason fully take on the shot rather than dodging, it depends on the servant.
Saber = Never
Caster = No, not with magic anyway
Berserker = Only if he basically lets her, and its limited to once.
Bazett is noted to be three times stronger than Rin, and even she can't really fight servants on par. Ciel is stronger than Bazett, and she can sort of fight servants on par.
Rin, there are some chances, surprise attacks are more likely, but it's hard to get through some of the wank types how little of a chance it is in some ways.
>be the best homunculus the Einzbern's could create
>be up to your eyeballs in magic circuits
>be well practiced at using them as well
>go for a walk in the woods and nearly get eaten by some lvl 1 wild wolves
Why is Irisviel so shit?
I'm talking about Shirou, not Archer.
I don't remember him actually projecting one, especially not one like Archers. I guess I'll reread the VN, but I still don't think he used a bow nearly enough. Shirou should have fired Caldabolg or something during the VN, he mainly just swordspammed/projected Kanshou and Bakuya.
Since when is Irisviel the best Einzbern homunculi? I thought Justica is the best since she has 3rd Magic. And Irisviel is inferior to Illya since she doesn't have Command Seal carve into her body, even weaker than Sella and Leysritt