>>124946280 I didn't like it when I was a kid. Now I just don't care for it. I don't think I was ready for that kind of graphic imagery. The hooker-bot getting beat up and the guy getting ripped out of his mech, it was just a little too much for me at the time. I loooved Kid's Story and it's still my favorite. Program was great too.
This thread reminds me that I just downloaded the soundtrack the other day and I haven't listened to it yet. I remember listening to it in a cd store back in the day, just samples on their headphones, and wishing I could get it. I didn't have money though. And convincing my mom to buy me stuff, especially stuff related to violent cartoons was always an uphill battle.
>>124947980 "We think they are not, and were not intended to be included, under the word 'citizens' in the Constitution, and can therefore claim none of the rights and privileges which that instrument provides for and secures to citizens of the United States. On the contrary, they were at that time considered as a subordinate and inferior class of beings...
also the reproduction of the execution of the vientamese guy Loan
>>124948954 It's going to be a horribly confusing time, possibly a violent time to live in, and our generation will probably live to see it happen, but I don't think it will happen like it did in this anime at all...
>>124948954 They were at least kind of right, though. At first, the humans could have not tried to genocide the robots, so the robots wouldn't have ever made 01. Failing that, the robots were willing to coexist with the humans even after 01 was founded. The humans could have accepted economic stagnation in exchange for not getting genocided.
The stance of the short is fairly clear: if robots had been accepted as sentient beings from the start, none of the awful shit leading up to The Matrix would have happened. Realistically, though, it's highly likely that some sort of other awful shit would have taken place.
>>124950029 Would have been cool to see some humans to actually side and live their own lives in harmony with the machines. >>124950084 I always thought the scene with the little boy in the pod, with the narrator female caressing it was a wonderful addition.
>>124950189 Who even knows? One of the biggest things the machines had going for them was that they're fucking terrifying. Showcasing that viciousness doesn't hurt, especially in a scene when the Humans were definitely observing, doesn't hurt.
>>124950190 >Would have been cool to see some humans to actually side and live their own lives in harmony with the machines. I want you to be honest with me. What is a human when compared with a machine? A human is sort of obsolete in my book when the pros and cons are lined up. The machines were not only able to see that Dark Storm was coming but they had an action plan all setup for it.
>>124950189 Later they show humans being kept alive while they probed our brains and bodily fictions. A broken human is as good as a resource to them as a healthy one.
I imagine killing a human on way or another didn't mean anything to them, either? Why take time looking for a human way to kill him when you can just pull him out, dismembering him in the process? We don't see what happens to him after that, but it might be as simple as dropping him there to bleed to death while the machines press on.
No shit, they're fucking ROBOTS. Why would they give a single, absolute fuck in a million billion fucking years if they don't have access to solar power? They don't need to fucking eat. There are better sources of energy than solar power (like apparently humans? somehow?)
>>124950292 It is stunning really. >thus did man become the architect of his own demise You cannot out process a computer, we already have computers that can process millions of times faster than we can. Now, imagine if we could engineer an evolving intelligence in them?
I'm headed to bed. Great thread. Goodnight everyone!
>>124950345 >like apparently humans? somehow? I've heard that the original idea was to have humans kept alive to form some sort of giant thinking machine out of their combined brains, but they were forced to change it.
>>124950292 >What is a human when compared with a machine? Goodness I love pondering about questions such as these. Reminds me of one of the memorable quotes from one of my favorite books, Genesis by Bernard Beckett:
“I am not a machine. For what can a machine know of the smell of wet grass in the morning, or the sound of a crying baby? I am the feeling of the warm sun against my skin; I am the sensation of a cool wave breaking over me. I am the places I have never seen, yet imagine when my eyes are closed. I am the taste of another's breath, the color of her hair. You mock me for the shortness of my life span, but it is this very fear of dying which breathes life into me. I am the thinker who thinks of thought. I am curiosity, I am reason, I am love, and I am hatred. I am indifference. I am the son of a father, who in turn was a father’s son. I am the reason my mother laughed and the reason my mother cried. I am wonder and I am wondrous. Yes, the world may push your buttons as it passes through your circuitry. But the world does not pass through me. It lingers. I am in it and it is in me. I am the means by which the universe has come to know itself. I am the thing no machine can ever make. I am meaning.”
>>124950345 >No shit, they're fucking ROBOTS. Why would they give a single, absolute fuck in a million billion fucking years if they don't have access to solar power? They don't need to fucking eat. There are better sources of energy than solar power (like apparently humans? somehow?) Well they needed an artificial barrier at one point for them to be weak in one place for plot to take place for the movie. Originally human brains were suppose to be used as some sort of co-processes that allowed them to operate at larger levels. In the end they were told to dumb down the script so normal people would understand.
>>124950414 I'm assuming that by that era, machine frames alloys were advanced enough for heat not to be an especially dangerous thing. Plus 01 was show to be a giant metal city, to which Nuke would be fairly ineffective against.
That's not really my area of expertise, and I probably sound like a dumb ass due to an inability to explain properly, but that's an explainable issue.
I don't think I've sat through it since the first time I watched it and I don't think I would again. I wasn't even that young, I was 20 when it came out, but certain parts were just too much. I almost watched the part linked in this thread but quit a few seconds in.
Cool quote, might check out that book while I work throught my "backlog."
It has been said before that human brain seems unique in that it is rather interested in investigating itself. Through philosophy and even scientific examinations of neurology. I guess wondering how we work is an essential part of self awareness, I wonder if a machine could ever look at its own circuitry with curiosity.
They really should have just made it so that the machines so that the machines were keeping humans alive inside the Matrix because the planet had gotten so fucked up that it was uninhabitable, and the only reason they cared about the people in Zion was because they were threatening to destroy the whole system.
Like that would actually be cool and interesting but instead, somehow, people produce more energy than they consume. Top lol.
>>124950515 A sustained bombardment of nukes would utterly unmake anything unfortunate enough to be there. Being inexplicably immune to them (and the EMPs, the main method used against them hundreds of years later) is a glaring asspull but the rest of the animation is so great you just have to shut your brain down for that one part.
>>124950573 >machines burning through any natural resources way faster than humans >no sun, fucking up the surface >buildings and machinery taking over everything >absolutely zero mind for environment preservation >radiation >run-off etc
>>124950556 I guarantee you, you'll enjoy the book. I finished the book in one sitting. It catches and pokes at your curiosity, leaving you always thirsty for more that by the time you realize it, you're already flipping through the last pages.
It really begs the question: What exactly does it mean to be human?
>>124950591 It would be more worrisome when screaming soldier stops making us feel upset. I'm not much into musing about how video games and movies turn people into killers, but they certainly trivialize death. I say this because death often doesn't have much of an impact in films/games/whathaveyou as a result.
>>124950645 Right, there are plenty of reasonable explanations for it. That one in particular loses the element of "the humans brought it upon themselves", but I'm sure you could come up with something.
>>124950454 What if we had cyberbrains like in Ghost in the Shell? They had the ability to cyberize your brain up to 97.5% Kind of crazy when you think about the implications of replacing your brain tissue a cell at a time with nano-machines.
>>124950953 Cyberbrains would be a dream for certain people. Not happy with the body you were born with? Get a new one. Want to be a girl? Sure.
Sounds fun, but tossing away your biological body for something manufactured doesn't sit well with me. As much as I love GITS., I've never been a fan of body modification unless it is replacement of damaged or broken "parts," like prosthetic limbs.
>>124951003 Say you are the captain of a boat. You travel from port to port, but before you go you replace something on your ship. Each time you come to a different port you select a different piece to replace. After you get done with the easy things like your chair and desk you move onto harder and harder things. Think of things like the planks of the deck or hull? Perhaps the mast? Every fucking piece of it down to the nails. In the end you end up replacing all of it.
People have already posted most of the spooky parts that gave us chills.
I just wonder if most people saw it when they were 11-13 like me? I remember my logic thinking it would be like a cartoon matrix and instead I just had existential nightmares for a few days. I am really glad I saw it then though, I think it actually influenced the way I see animation early on.
If you haven't seen >>124950502 make sure to check it out. It's a fucking fantastic story.
I love it, but the scenes regarding the machines being persecuted feel so cringe worthy. Especially that blatant Tiananmen Square plug with the robot being crushed by the tank. It all feels so masturbatory and over preachy.
Why did they call it the 'Second Renaissance' in verse anyway? Is it just because revolution seemed too generic?
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