They're intentionally a garbage class as set up by the three families. They're never supposed to win. Gilles was exceptionally weak cause he was an anomaly since the war needed a final servant and would have been better off as any other class.
>>124980279 >even Zouken is shocked that he was summoned. More like intrigued. He'd already suspected the HGW had become defective, and had his suspicions confirmed by the summoning of Caster. Summoning a murderous psychopath like Gilles shouldn't have been possible if the Grail was working properly.
>>124980936 >>124980654 >>124980614 Add Rider to the list. For fucks sake are Cu and fake assassin the only servants that didn't get their ass handed to them by humans in any path of that anomalous war?
>>124981623 He's a major asshole, and very obnoxious in the sense that he's always smug and can't stop quoting himself. His NP is also pure troll; it basically let's him reject and rewrite any event before him as long as none of its participants exceed him in all stats. He's a fucking savescummer.
>>124981746 Well, I expected the quoting. That NP sounds pretty useful, but like most NPs I assume it's limited in use and can't always be called upon. If it can, sweet, but if not, what else does he do? Beamspam like Medea or elemental attacks like Tamamo? He can't be just a one-trick pony.
>So bad at melee combat that Assassin or fucking humans with some prep work can take you on close range. >Has to set up a workshop and gather mana before being able to do anything of merit >Three knight classes don't give a fuck about magic, particularly Saber. >Medea was even more fucked than usual in that regard, since Cu can buff his mag res to A rank because "lolrunes"
The only classe Caster has an advantage over is Berserker since they have no magic res and are too stupid to dodge higher magic, but even then Medea probably couldn't have killed Herc more than once because god hand. Rider is an outlier.
>>124981897 Caster was good in UBW. Buffing her master to servant levels, building a strong base and getting a small army of servants compensated her lack of combat abilities, she only lost the war because whe was stupid. If she had broken Saber's will immediately via command spell instead of using cosplay and orgasms, and disposed of Rin and Shirou as soon as Archer betrayed them, she would have won the war.
>>124978754 All the casters so far not counting Tamamo, from my memory, fuck shit up in the background so hard that the wars are sometimes put on hold just to deal with it.
Medea: Becomes a pseudo master, could potentially kill the entire town in a matter of days. Takes control of the place where the grail is freaking kept. Her, Souchiro, and Assassin hold off every other servant. Including Berserker.
Bluebeard: Causes a "Hold up, we've got to deal with this shit," moment. Summons Old Ones and Cthulu for zerg tactics. Serial killers for fun, and holy hell was he and his master successful.
Hans: Made his master unbelievably powerful, >>124979016
Solomon: The Golem incident. Probably the second lightest case
Semiramis: The Hanging Freaking Gardens stronghold she set up.
Shakesphere: See Hans.
Alice: Time loop. Wendigo apparently being a borderline Herkserker. Walking reality marble.
Tamamo: Lightest only because Extra's weird. One of two things appen: Your Caster is now a massive evil beast hellbent on destruction. Good luck explaining this to the church. Or a normal summon and you get a fucking facet of a goddess. At full power she's apparently worth several servants.
They're weak in straight up fights to balance out the sheer amounts of bullshit they can cause if left unchecked.
>>124982738 >Your Caster is now a massive evil beast hellbent on destruction This won't happen unless her master betrays her and she breaks in the process, she isn't that weak willed. You also forgot about her EX rank Witchcraft causing possible problems
>>124982529 Gil and Kirei were still around, as would be Lancer if Rin was dead and he wasn't forced to commit sodoku protecting her. Lancer + Gil would have no trouble against Caster/Saber/Kuzuki. Also don't forget Archer's loyalty was never genuine, and Caster ignored him and killed Rin and Shirou, he'd be pretty pissed since she both fucked up his chances of creating a paradox, and killed Rin when he planned to give her Saber after everything was done.
>>124982738 >At full power she's apparently worth several servants.
A hundred servants
Even in her normal form she's the only Caster to beat a Saber, punching through magic resistance with her spells, and can do just fine in close combat even against Saber tier fighters. At present there's little question she's the strongest Caster so far outside of Semi in her floating garden. She's at a disadvantage in a close range fight against knights, but any other Caster would have been dead over a dozen hits ago.
Most of her abilities she won't even use, including her EX rank one due to bad memories from life. She can summon her other tails on her own if she wants, but its not recommended. Talisman casting means there's no need for incantations when anything is cast. Everything is already on the paper. Her Noble Phantasm gives her infinite mana for a brief period of time, which might be spammable in a normal grail war.
Pretty often people don't get why she's very powerful by Caster standards.
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