Guts is going to sacrifice Falconia isn't he?
>hundreds of thousands of humans gathered in a city full Apostles, too obvious that ain't going to end well
>can destroy Griffith's dream in a single move
>previous "Falconia" Windham fell when a user of the Berserker Armor sacrificed it's people with the Behelit probably to kill a God Hand (Void) but failed
It's all coming full circle.
Strongly doubt it.
Skull Knight probably killed the previous 5th God Hand that was replaced by Griffith.
Skull Knight and Void are most likely Gaiseric and the imprisoned wise man. Based on Puck and Gut's reactions Skull Knight is not an apostle.
But it's sort of suspicious that both Gaiseric's capital and Falconia are roman style cities (and honey pots). You can't build Rome in a day and Gaiseric's capital was very much like imperial Rome when the continent was just bunch of barbarian tribes.
What is needed for a normal person to become a demon using a behelit? I'm not sure if it was ever explained. I guess some kind of sacrifice, but the way Griffith became one and the seat he got for it, certainly cannot be considered normal. Since all behelit users go to hell by default, it's also weird how they are just chilling in Falconia without any evil purpose. For now.
>What is needed for a normal person to become a demon using a behelit?
Pretty sure it's stated in the first or second volume.
The sacrifice needs to be someone you are attached to, otherwise the sacrifice would have no meaning. The behelit reacts to the amount of despair the possessor is in once it is big enough (when you are in a state of mind where you would be papered to sacrifice an important person) it activates.
It essentially would have regenerated him to full health. There's a chance it may have given him more power as well, but at the very least it would've made his body whole again. Considering the situation, that would have been more than enough. Guts would have been dead and gone.
I've never read JoJo so pick whichever of those events fits that description.
Crimson Behelit (egg of the king) = God Hand
Normal Behelit = Apostle
You need people to sacrifice, them being close to you was a lie, proven by the Egg Apostle and Windham sacrifice you just need unbranded people.
You need to spill blood.
You need the desire.
My guess I Guts won't be able to protect Caska, his party and defeat Griffith even with the Berserker Armor + DragonSlayer so he'll sacrifice them all in desperation to the Apostles of Falconia.
Also Skull Knight will probably give him the Crimson Behelit.
but that would imply SK being an apostle, which he isn't, judging from the fact that Guts' brand doesn't bleed from him being close to the guy.
How's it like to be talking out of your ass?
>Also Skull Knight will probably give him the Crimson Behelit
You forgot the part where the old witch explained to Guts that each behelit is destined to a person, and if you're not destined to have one, it will leave you when the time comes.
Okay genius than what is SK than if not an apostle?
You're forgetting his a close friend of that witch, he could easily have an enchant on him to prevent the branded to sense him.
>them being close to you was a lie, proven by the Egg Apostle and Windham sacrifice
Those events did not prove that the sacrifice did not have to be of value to you personally. The Egg Apostle was clearly stated to have both loved and hated 'his world.' His world in this case was the whole of Albion, the only land he ever knew. The Godhand revealed this land to him in grand fashion pretty much to give him something to care about so he could sacrifice it. You should also keep in mind that the Egg Apostle himself was branded, so offering himself up was part of the deal.
"But the random townsfolk," you say. First, they're part of what made up Egg's world. Second, they weren't even branded individually.
As far as the sacrifice of the nation beneath Midland, we do not know the details behind that event and so we cannot say for certain that the person who sacrificed the nation did not also value the wellbeing and livelihood of its citizenry. Maybe the guy just really, genuinely loved his country and its inhabitants?
It will also come to you when your destiny is fulfilled, when it's time to choose.
>proven by the Egg Apostle and Windham
EggMan sacrificed himself, seems pretty big for a sacrifice.
We have no information about Windham other than it happened, but it's not hard to imagine that the population of a city is important to someone from the ruling class (sacrifice your subjects and you have nothing to rule at the very least).
But the God Hands lied and deceived before, the only reason the Count couldn't sacrifice Guts was because he was already branded.
They most likely tried to push him to sacrifice his daughter like they did with Griffith.
Yes, himself along with every random person gathered at Albion.
The people of Windham were branded individually as seen during Griffiths rescue.
Were I to make a guess, I would say that Skull Knight is an existence similar to the Dragonslayer. He may not even be branded, but having fought against the Apostles using the Berserk armor for so long, the amount of spiritual turbulence he waded through soaked into him.
The Berserk armor allows you to fight on after you should have fallen, to the limits of your body and beyond, but what happens when the thing inside the armor has been exposed to SO MUCH supernatural horror that it no longer entirely exists as flesh and blood?
You guys sure have some interesting theories. I'm not saying they're not true, The story behind the Skullknight could take any number of unexpected turns. Keep in mind however that it's been heavily implied that he is Emperor Gaiseric. How he's survived so long is a mystery, but whatever magic keeps him together, Flora still has hope that the heart of a human being still beats within him.
The story has also drawn parallels between SK and Guts, going so far as to call them kindred spirits. The working theory a lot of people have is that SK is Gaiseric and Void was his top advisor. Void sacrificed the Old Kingdom, leaving only the tale of the four~five angels descending on the capital and laying waste.
>But the God Hands lied and deceived before
That alone doesn't mean that the rules of sacrifice have been contradicted. We'll need a better example if we're going to apply that logic here.
>the only reason the Count couldn't sacrifice Guts was because he was already branded.
That was but one of the reasons. The other reason, as stated by Godhand Slan I believe, was that the Black Swordsman was "merely your enemy." This would suggest that as someone the count did not value, he was unworthy as a sacrifice. I'll find the page...Here we are!
>he doesn't have the berserker armor anymore
>he would have been killed by the armor
>he would have been consumed by the armors spirit
The Skull Knight or another person succeeding his use of the Armor didn't stop fighting until all of his blood was spilled and all of his bones were destroyed, pierced all over by the Armor before meeting their end.
My guess is SK sacrificed Windham after he was consumed by the armor, he could be the missing God Hand replaced by Griffith or an Apostle.
He fused Behelits in a sword for fucks sake and is also old as shit.
The lack of reaction from Guts' brand is telling. Whatever he is, while he is an Astral being, he is not an Apostle. He's something else.
As for the lack of armor...
... I never said he didn't die. Perhaps he simply failed to die properly and the fight itself persists.
>almost part of your soul
>entire city gets sacrificed
>entire world gets sacrificed
>band of mostly nobodies gets sacrificed(that's right Griffith only gave a fuck about Guts)
Stop pulling my leg faggot.
Him being enchanted by his friend witch not to trigger the branded is way more probable that him "not dying properly" and being something else.
I mean she already put enchants to prevent Guts and Caskas brands from attracting the demons.
On the subject of the Skull Knight, I'll post a few pages that seem to hint at his nature and his identity. Just so that they'll be in the thread where we can reference them. First, his brief exchange with the witch Flora.
Something to note about Flora herself - she is not an apostle nor is she branded, but as a high level magic user she isn't entirely human. The brand reacted to her, albeit faintly, and it is implied that she has lived far longer than an ordinary human.
This would suggest that being an apostle is not required to extend one's lifespan.
At this point I should also point out that the brand seems unaffected by Skull Knight's presence.
Think what you will, but the nature of the branding process as explained hasn't been directly contradicted. Just because you can't imagine genuinely caring for a group or a community doesn't make the notion of it impossible. You act as though it must be someone you have a personal relationship with, but that in itself is a very narrow minded view. Think about what can give people value.
Flora lived in a special zone which allowed her to live so long.
You have no clue what you're talking about.
Also once again:
>It must be someone important to you, part of your souls, someone so close that's almost like giving up a part of you
>Griffith sacrifices his Band of the Hawk about whom he never gave a fuck about, he only cared for Guts.
>Egg sacrificed HIMSELF and the world
>Void/SK sacrificed a whole city
You need to sacrifice someone who isn't already branded, that's the only requirement, now stop being a retard, I've already proven you wrong.
Here we see the Skull Knight referred to as "Your Majesty." I don't know if that's the proper manner of address for an Emperor, but it would suggest royalty of some kind. Maybe it could have been Gaiseric's son or his wife? I dunno. The most likely explanation though is that it's the emperor himself.
You're probably right. I love discussing Berserk though, so jokes on him for giving me the excuse.
Also you don't need to give a shit about the people you sacrifice, Griffith didn't care one bit about his men, you'd know that if you actually read the manga unlike that stubborn faggot.
>Griffith didn't care one bit about his men
Yes he did.
He cared for them, but he was under the guise that they were all expendable and more or less blatantly told them that they were their to fulfill his dream.
The way I see it is he didn't care about them individually, but he cared a whole lot about the concept of the 'Band of the Hawk' as a whole. Why do you think he went about recreating it again post reincarnation.
>Griffith sacrifices his Band of the Hawk about whom he never gave a fuck about.
Wow, man. You really didn't pay much attention to this story did you? Haha, I hope that other anon is right and you're joking. Otherwise this makes me a little sad.
The sacrifice of his Band of the Hawk was described as causing him "suffering so profound as to make someone rip himself apart." He cherished the Band he built. You can claim lies and tricks all you want, but you're only fooling yourself.
Can you idiots please stop with this retarded theory crafting?
You can just sacrifice willy nilly to become an apostle, you have to give up something that you PERSONALLY care about, and the number of people you sacrifice is pointless
Quality > Quantity
Guts cannot sacrifice an entire city because he doesnt care about them, so he could never make them a sacrifice in the first place
That really doesn't tell me anything. You could at least cite the scene where he's speaking with Princess Charlotte and claims that he doesn't see the Band of the Hawk as his friends. This is clearly contradicted by his feelings for Guts at the least, meaning it couldn't possibly be true entirely, but it's the one scrap you could have clung to to try and illustrate your point.
But then again, you're a dimwit so I guess that's a bit much to expect from you.
I could post pages to evidence the fact that within Griffith's own mind he cared deeply for the Band of the Hawk, but I'm not going to go down that road. I've seen plenty enough of shitstorms surrounding Griffith. I won't argue about him with you any more. You really are fucking stupid, though.
If he cherished them so deeply, he wouldn't have sacrificed them in the first place.
How hard is it to understand that people have to sacrifice their most precious and beloved things/people in order to become apostles. Falconia means shit to Guts. If ever he would sacrtifice anything, it would be casca, and even that is impossible because she had already been marked. Guts will never become an apostle, because he's the foil to griffith. He's the true human.
>Here's more evidence you never used to support your point as well as what you quoted!
>You're really really stupid!
>but i won't argue with you anymore because of said evidence and the fact you're really stupid
please sacrifice yourself.
Guys. Do you think CEOs give a shit about their employees individually? Fuck no. But they probably cherish the fuck out of their company as a whole and that one genius guy always coming up with shit and improving the company's profit margins.
Is this the same anon arguing with himself?
Possible, but than he would be much stronger no?
Maybe the way he traversed the worlds made him weaker.
Yes and no.
For example, if Guts were say, a guard that spent his life protecting said city, living among the people of that city, and had once been willing to lay down his very life to keep that city and its inhabitants safe, they would then be a worthy sacrifice.
Yes, all of them.
That's the way it works. It's been demonstrated several times to be the case.
Did he know each and every person by name and spent quality time with every last individual? No. But they were the people he protected every day, he made them his responsibility. He never imagined he'd sell them out for anything, and the thought of betraying their faith in him breaks his heart. That's exactly the kind of thing the Godhand want.
On the other hand, if he was an asshole that resented his job and all the slobs he worked for, it wouldn't work.
the that he carries around is probably destined for him or Puck.
Enjoy the shitstorm as it turns into a rainbow behelit, treansforming Guts into a god-idol girl and proceeds to assrape Femto with mad sword-dancing skills
Falconia is literally Griffiths dream, you can't be serious it means jack shit to Guts even after he left the band.
>their most precious
>Griffith sacrifices nobodies, he didn't even consider them friends
>Egg sacrifices himself and randoms
>SK, a ruthless barbarin warlord sacrifices his city
You niggers can't be serious.
His new RPG team is expendable sacrifice fodder
but yeah that'd be a shit move and is against everything he stood for
The fuck? No. I was responding to someone else. Why would that make you think samefag?
Calling me a moron and telling me to read the manga that I'm posting pages from is evidence? Sure, okay.
He cherished them but he chose his own desire, his own dream over them. By your logic, no one could ever choose themselves over someone they loved or else that would mean they didn't care about them at all. Your own philosophy may deem it so, but the manga assumes that this is not the case.
Just because it's Griffith's dream doesn't make it's Guts' one. Even if Guts cares about Griffith. Are you retarded? If you could sacrifice OTHER people's dreams there wouldn't really be an issue.
Go back and read the Egg's backstory and you'll see why he cared. I'm not spoonfeeding you.
>We don't know if guts can use the behelit anyway
You don't choose the Behelit, the Behelit chooses you.
It can come to you at anytime and anyplace, it doesn't matter if you held to with for 20 years or just found it/were given it by someone.
Yeah. I agree that the number of people doesn't matter, but it can be a lot of people. Perhaps I misunderstood his quality > quantity example. I thought he might mean that the sacrifice needs to be a small number of close people as opposed to a whole bunch of people.
I'm 99% certain the "GUTZ CAN JUS SACRIFIC GRIFFITHS DREAM" posts are all the same person, i refuse to believe there's a collection of people this fucking dense in the thread. Holy shit, get some fucking reading comprehension. It's like a gamefaqs post or something.
Falconia hasn't been sacrificed yet. People act like it's a foregone conclusion that Falconia will be sacrificed (usually by Griffith in order to gain more power) but it's possible that it may not be sacrificed at all.
Falconia could fall to external forces. Perhaps Guts and company will bring it to ruin? Infighting between members of Godhand is also a possibility, since they were all brought into the real world when Fantasia was brought into existence.
If it is sacrificed it will likely be by Griffith for some as of yet unknown scheme to reach even greater heights of power and authority.
>they were all brought into the real world when Fantasia was brought into existence
I thought it was simply easier to transition from the spirit to the material now.
The only incarnated one is Griffith as I recall.
Nah. They all became corporeal through the actions of the Fifth. Basically the festival at Albion allowed the fifth to take physical form, which began a chain of events culminating with the death of the twice reincarnated Ganishka and the birth of Fantasia. Now ALL of them are material and have no limitations on how they can interact with the physical realm.
So here we have Skully talking about Femto's incarnation. That's what Albion was.
Here's Slan discussing the significance of Femto's advent in regards to her ability to appear and interact with the physical realm without need of being summoned.
Yeah, you're right. I was going to post those pages next but I gotta resize them. I guess I don't really need to post them all. Suffice to say the world's have fully overlapped and right after Fantasia is formally introduced we see an image that represents each of the remaining four Godhand. This is a clear indication that along with Fantasia, they have also arrived.
In my opinion Skull Knight is a "reborn" God Hand just like Griffith.
Griffith filled the spot of Gaiseric as the 5th hand until he was reborn. now Guts will take Griffiths spot as the Crimson Behelit goes into circulation again, he'll probably sacrifice Caska & Company in an act of desperation just like Griffith.
The five angels will swoop down from the heavens once morem Flaconia will end up just like Windham.
Who is this guy?
I heard some theories like he was the son of Guts and Casca but also Griffith at the same time.
I'm not going to say it's impossible, but I've still got a few issues with your proposed version of events. If he were to sacrifice Casca (Slan already tried to force him into it) why then would Falconia meet its end? She currently has no ties to that city, and furthermore I can't imagine Guts feeling anything besides contempt for that place and its Griffith worshiping populace.
That's one theory. There's also the possibility suggested by Schierke (and thus the author) that the child is the avatar of the Flower Storm King, ruler of Elfhelm and King of the Elvenkind.
The people that are certain its Guts' reborn kid/some fragment of Griffith's vessel fucking HATE that theory though, in my experience. If it turned out he was the Elf King some people would be really mad.
Not much blatantly contradicts either theory so I'm fine with it either way.
>Crimson Behelit is back in circulation to fill the 5th's place
>Guts becomes a God Hand
>Worlds are overlapped so he can just go to the mortal realm without waiting 1k years
>Apostles obey the God Hands like if they were Gods
>Falconia is literally filled with Apostles
>Apostle civil war erupts, Falconia is the battleground
>But I believe the demon child was melted into Griffith during the rebirth ceremony as the Behelit Apostle swallowed it.
It absolutely was. Griffith acknowledged it.
As the theory goes though, some remnant of the child's will remains and it is either able to spiritually separate itself from the rest of Femto's vessel or it's able to somehow take control of the vessel entirely. Like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde except instead of a hulking mutant Femto turns into a naked child.
Both are just as much if not more of a stretch than the kid just being the Elf King using the appearance of a child to get chummy with and observe Guts and Casca.
Why not, though? The human child is the actual human vessel of Femto. Without it he could not have been reborn in the first place, and wouldn't it fit with the causality theme in the manga?
>t's just a strange twist of fate that the baby he himself corrupted got mixed up in his shiny new body.
It's causality, I'm telling you! Miura made it so that Femto is at fault for his own downfall because the child is his weak spot.
>1.Rape Casca to spite Guts
>2.Fuse with rape tainted baby
>implying a new chapter will ever come out
You need to fuck off, mate. Its painful to see in catalog your desperate never ending circlejerking threads. Things you try discuss, were discussed countless times for almost 20 years, twenty fucking years. Why wont you just shut the fuck up and wait in peace?
>It's causality, I'm telling you!
Well, yeah, I totally agree that's how it'll ultimately play out, but it's just that from the character's point of view it was an accident. I'm just saying it wasn't planned that way, at least not by Femto. In that page I posted he seems a taken aback by it.
I like discussing the series with people that might have just gotten into it. Not OP but that's why I'm here. It's sort of my way of enjoying what we have, at least.
Still mad I put you in your place? It's okay, don't be mad :^)
I don't remember that fact, doubt the God Hands are switched that frequently.
My guess is the Crimson Behelit appears whenever it's the right time to fill an empty slot.
Reminder that Serpico said that if something bad happens to Farnese, he will kill Guts.
That means that something bad will happen to Farnese. Which means that Serpico will become an enemy to Guts.
Well, if the god hands are 5 and you need all of em to fulfill the conditions for the ritual to unite the worlds every 1000 years a rough spacing of 200 years is the upper limit to be able to perform it if someone manages to destroy the whole hand.
That scene was so fucked up. His poor mother had dementia and he burned her alive. She didn't understand anything. I know she wasn't a saint, but damn. That part gets under my skin.
>I don't remember that fact, doubt the God Hands are switched that frequently.
They are. Every 216 years like clockwork. Which is still more often than volumes of Berserk are completed.
>My guess is the Crimson Behelit appears whenever it's the right time to fill an empty slot.
I'm a little confused: You don't think the Behelit Guts has is the crimson, do you?
Guts will *never* sacrifice.
Void sacrificed to destroy Skull Knight's kingdom by bringing the God Hand on Earth.
Griffith used some bullshit to bring the God Hand on Earth and will sacrifice his kingdom to join back the the God Hand.
That's what's going to happen.
Guts becomes the new Skull Knight, waiting another 1000 years for a new messiah to come to Earth so that the God Hand can come back again, along with Griffith, so that guts can kill him.
Similar to Skull Knight liking also waiting 1000 years to kill Void.
When Casca will be healed, she will see Guts fighting in his Berserker amor like a monster. Then she will see the beautiful mighty Jesus-Griffith and will go back to him.
Guts will be mad and will fuck Farnese like Griffith in the past with the princess. Then Serpico will lead everyone against him.
And there ill be a new volume 13.
When the egg ate the demon child he said he could have a nice dream. I guess that little boy is the demon babby's dream form. He could actually get close to his parents looking like that, spend time with them, help them out, all the stuff he tried to do before.
That's insanely stupid.
Farnese has nothing she wants to gain.
She's simply going to learn magic and 'unlock' her past fire passion as a kid and go overdrive on magic power.
She's going to become a very powerful witch.
Serpico is going to continue to keep an eye out for Farnese and become a general in the eventual war to destroy Griffith.
>Griffith used some bullshit to bring the God Hand on Earth and will sacrifice his kingdom to join back the the God Hand.
What do you mean join back with the Godhand? They want to be able to take physical form, why would they sacrifice Falconia to go back to only existing on the astral plane? Or do you mean he'll sacrifice his kingdom in order to hang out with their corporeal forms? I'm confused.
If Guts uses the behelit, he will forfeit his humanity. This would destroy the manga and story.
Guts has to keep his sanity no matter how hard it is. If he accepts the behelit, it's akin to giving up.
It'll never happen. Ever.
>Farnese has nothing she wants to gain.
Needing to sacrifice implies one is in a compromising situation, such as dying or extreme mental or physical anguish. You don't necessarily have to have some great ambition to find yourself in need of a "miracle."
Egg was just dying. Ganishka was already ballin' outta control, but he got stabbed. The count was just NTR'd into it. Any number of things could happen to drive Farnese into a corner.
No Farnese will sacrifice Roderick, the most dashing gentleman at land and on the sea.
Causality is a spiral. What has happened once will happen again. Only, like a circle, the same thing will happen but in opposite.
This is what I think is the storyline of Berserk.
There were many clans and only war.
Skull Knight united everyone. Void had a cult and became known across the land. He had a lot of influence and Skully had him sent to be torured and killed similar to Grifith. Void's mouth may be past actions of his torture just like Griffith and his helmet.
So Void came back to Earth just like Griffith (Skully saying it's happening again when Griffith comes back) and becomes a messiah and influences people similar to how Griffith attracts everyone to worship him.
Void opened a portal for the other God Hand to come on Earth and destroy. I personally think that it's the many skulls you see in the ruins of the Tower of Rebirth. The difference is that all the skulls have the mark on their forehead. When someone gets sacrificed, it goes at random, yet all of them were in the same spot which makes me think it was self-made.
Anyways, there is a big war between the God Hand and Skully and the Empire is shattered.
It's mentioned that all the kingdoms were divided from the Empire.
I think that Void (who was the last God Hand at his time) then became the first.
Just like how Griffith is the last, if Griffith dies and goes back to the Astral once he gets defeated, he will become the next first God Hand member.
>It'll never happen. Ever.
He'll get smashed by Griffith, his party will be killed except for Caska, he'll sacrifice her to get his revenge, she won't be cured by the Elf King anyways, she's retarded.
The Egg Apostle was sacrificing himself and his world; it wasn't a behelit summoning, it was the Incarnation of a god. Of course Griffith doesn't need a connection for the Incarnation ceremony
Griffith didn't even consider the Band of the Hawk as his friends yet they were viable sacrifices. :^)
Berserk has become too lighthearted for that. Killing Schierke would break Miura's heart, and she's probably the only thing that keeps him motivated to release our 2 or 3 annual chapters.
Anyways, Griffith created a method to bring back the God Hand back on Earth. Except the situation is different.
Void only brought the God Hand to destroy the Empire. Griffith brought the God Hand to work with him.
Griffith is like Skull Knight except he's evil. Berserk is made on contrast and duality.
Anyways, what Griffith did was destroy the rest of the goddamn world by making it uninhabitable.Every fantasy monster will be destroying everyone else who wants to keep their property rather than seek security at the only single place on the planet; Falconia.
An army of mercenaries will be raised funded by Farnese's father (who's been foreshadowed as singlehandedly funding all wars). Serpico and other people with names for themselves will be in it. You'll have witches helping (each being more powerful than an army of 10,000) along with Guts being a grunt on the battlefield and Skully will likely help in some way, who knows.
The point is that Skully can only kill Void once Griffith brings the God Hand back on earth. After the God Hand are all destroyed and Griffith defeated, he will use the behelit Guts has been holding on to go back to the Astral.
From there on, Guts will have to wait, like Skull Knight, 1000 years for a new messiah to come back.
What's genius about this is that after the army destroys Falconia, EVERYTHING will be in ruins.
That means all kingdoms will no longer exist due to the damage fantasy monsters have caused. That means that clans and endless warfare will be the norm, just like how it was in Skull Knights time.
And we would have gone full circle.
From Skull Knight creating his empire and ending a never ending war.
To kingdoms being separated in the aftermath of the destruction of Skully's Empire.
To all the kingdoms being destroyed after the creation of Falconia.
To the return of never ending wars after the destruction of Falconia.
It's a spiral. Causality.
And IoE is causing all of it.
>He'll get smashed by Griffith
Nope, Guts will destroy Griffith.
Good will destroy evil.
No one will die at any point except near the end.
Casca will be cured and will be part of the army that will destroy Griffith.
Well, there are some possible explanations for that.
Either the Godhand cycle out every 216 years, meaning that at some point before Griffith became the fifth the person that became Godhand before Void retired somehow, and in another 200 or so years Void will be retired to make room for the next Godhand after Griffith.
Or the Godhand just reset every thousand or so years. So all the Godhand fuck off somehow and are replaced at some point with one guy. Lets say Void. So for 216 years there is only one Godhand. When that 216 years is up another one is chosen and there are two, then 216 years after that there's a third and so on.
I'm leaning toward the latter explanation based on what Slan said. "This is what the emergence of the fifth means." It sounds like there being five members isn't something that happens often.
Will suffer the most excruciating painful death in the series, at the hand of Guts, that's when he'll realize he's already become a monster and give in to the Behelit.
Also, the way to stop all fantasy monsters is to destroy the Tree of Life. It's what's causing all the monsters from existing.
Destroying it will bring the world back to normal. But Griffith won't allow it to be cut down because his kingdom is the only safe spot in the entire damn world.
It's also brilliant since the God Hand can sacrifice people in small numbers without anyone noticing and replacements will keep coming in.
The God Hand essentially trapped the entire human race in a single spot.
It happens very often.
Every 216 years, there is a new one without fail.
The 5th only means that 'the hand is full' and the apocalypse will happen.
That's what she mans by ''this is what the emergence of the fifth means''.
Once the God Hand reach five in number, it means their time to go on earth is soon.
>all for the foreshadowing
Griffith is a demon and is evil.
Griffith will be seen as an angel on earth while Guts, who will be the symbol of the army going to destroy Falconia, will be seen as evil.
However, few will know that Griffith was evil and that Guts was always on the good side.
Then again, Ubik's point is that he had always been crossing that line. He was definitely twisting events to suit the Godhand agenda, but he still wasn't entirely wrong. I think it diminishes Griffith as a character to just blame Ubik for tricking him.
As much as I'd love this, I've come to accept that we'll never see any of this happening just like we'll never see the end of this manga. Miura would rather spend the rest of his life drawing cute lolis than going back to his edgy-as-fuck self.
>It happens very often.
>Every 216 years, there is a new one without fail.
Yeah that's what I said. The only question is do they cycle out and keep it around 4~5 in an endless rotation or do they restart every thousand or so years at 1.
Judging by what Slan says sounds like it just resets to 1.
I think that's also part of what you said with all the current Godhand being slain in their corporeal forms and Skull Knight going to the astral plane for some reason.
The part that makes me empathize with the apostles and the godhand is that all they do seems to come from those moments where you're at your limit and say "fuck everything". They aren't evil, they just reached their limit and ended up crossing the line, but once you've crossed the line you can't turn back, you can just assume your actions were just your own volition and not just the mere result of a bunch of circumstances, and keep going.
STOP SERIOUSLY STOP WITH THIS BULLSHIT LIKE HE WILL STOP DRAWING OR ANYTHING.
I DON'T WANT THAT, I WANT MY PERFECT WONDERFUL ENDING, STOP PLAYING WITH MY NERVES
It's what I see as the ending of Berserk.
On the one hand, Griffith, with the Vatican army and all the world's army that have stayed in Falconia, seen as the light of the world, with the God Hand the Apostles as his army.
And on the other, worthless mercenaries, all paid by Farnese's father, who only fight for money. With witches and all the knights of kingdoms who have no defected. With Casca and Serpico (foreshadowed to be a brilliant tactician on par with Griffith (maybe?) as generals in the war.)
And I even suspect that Zodd will join Guts' side to fight against Griffith.
Zodd might get bored once Falconia becomes secure and I doubt the Apostle arena will keep him interested. Not to mention the prophecy mentioned that he will have to chose between being a beast or a warrior with 'the person who wounded him'. Peple think it's been fulfilled but they have forgotten that Griffith also wounded Zodd.
Can you imaging the score of such a war?
The duck knight, when he first met Griffith, said that a war was coming.
But not any war, a war that will be legendary and transcend the history books.
This is what I think it's been foreshadowing.
It only means Casca doesn't want to accept reality. Casca might hate Guts or some other shit. I personally don't know what will happen once she will gain her memory and no one does.
However, I can be assured that she will regain her memory and help in the war against Griffith in some way.
Oh, then I misread you.
Basically the 5th God Hand just becomes the next first God Hand.
You can only kill the God Hand when they are on Earth.
And we know that there is a cycle because the God Hand who destroyed Skull Knight's Empire were likely not the same ones.
It's an endless cycle.
In the past I thought people exaggerate about Miura dying before the end, but now I would be really surprised if he actually finishes Berserk.
>2 chapters last year
>0 chapters this year
Berserk still needs at least 100-150 chapters to wrap everything up.
>Casca and Serpico (foreshadowed to be a brilliant tactician on par with Griffith
Casca's just a good leader+teamplayer and Serpico is just a rooster with wind magic
Did you forget when Serpico outwitted Guts on the cliff? Guts called him iirc a brilliant tactician and he's always lived up to that.
Remember when he used his wits at the pillar room when he challenged Guts to a fight?
He also knows a lot about kingdom's armies and Varminto (whatever the fucking name is) is well known for being very smart.
And really, if you had to pick someone to be a General of an army to destroy Griffith and Falconia, who would you put in charge? I would put Serpico.
Casca, well, I don't think this will ever fucking happen but an annoying Cascafag won't agree with me unless I include her in my theory with her being very important in some way, so meh.
I won't say Griffith didn't care about the Band of the Hawk, because I believe he did, but part of him always saw them as tools. Toy soldiers in his grand design of making his own kingdom. It was foreshadowed in Casca's flashback and also in his conversation with Princess Charlotte about dreams and in his conversation with Guts after assassinating the Queen of Midland.
Hell, Griffith even says to Guts at the Hill of Swords, "You should have known what kind of man I am."
Yes, Ubik nudged him over the edge, but everything he needed was already there. Griffith always had the potential for that sort of reasoning.
4 last year. And he just needed a huge break. Do you really think that an obsessional guy like Miura who rips his drawings just for one little mistake would ever give up a work that made his entire life?
No he will never give up, he's just taking a long break, a 5 years holiday. And by the way he is also probably trying to running head by drawing some double pages that take plenty of time during his long breaks.
Serpico is a fine tactician, but I think anon's point is that Casca is fantastic leader. She proved that in Griffith's absence leading the Band of the Hawk through its darkest hour.
Serpico is a lot of things but a leader of men is not one of them. Smart as he is, the man's been a follower all his life. I could see him advising a general, but inspiring men to fight for him just doesn't seem like his strong suit.
>if you had to pick someone to be a General of an army to destroy Griffith and Falconia, who would you put in charge? I would put Serpico.
I'd rather assign Roderick+his waifu for the job tbh .
A sacrifice is meaningless if you don't care about what you're sacrificing.
A sacrifice has to destroy your humanity and soul.
I still believe that Griffith knew he was fucked the moment he took the behelit out of the water.
He took it out and laughed, knowing that all his suffering was planned by 'something'.
When Guts ran towards him, Griffith tried to scream to him to stop, that if he was touched ''he would never...''. Probably never be the same.
Ubik and Conrad fucked him over.
Also, it's not simply Ubik who fucked him.
Conrad was the one who did the talking and convinced Griffith. Ubik just showed his subconscious.
>I could see him advising a general, but inspiring men to fight for him just doesn't seem like his strong suit.
That might happen, I just don't know for sure.
I don't know nor do I claim to be sure 100% how it will turn out. All I know is that Serpico will have a hand in the plans since he's clever.
Hell Casca might actually be the leader herself of the entire army.
Remember, it was Guts who declared war once he woke up, right? So the war is still ongoing. It'll only get bigger.
But do you remember who's in charge of the Band of the Hawk? That's right, Casca. She's still the leader. When Guts leaves Casca to Rickert, he says to keep an eye on her because she's still the leader.
So Casca might actually end up being the General in charge of fighting Griffith.
Also, isn't it funny?
The 'real' Band of the Hawk fighting against the 'new and fake' Band of the Hawk.
Okay. But yeah like I said, the Godhand didn't put anything into Griffith's head that wasn't already there. There was plenty of foreshadowing and character development that had suggested that Griffith was perfectly willing to use people. They just nudged him in the direction they wanted.
Yes they are clearly written to remain somewhat sympathetic. Not many people would turn the offer down normally, let alone in a hopeless situation. I certainly wouldn't. Why most turn into such huge dicks (sometimes literally) afterwards remains to be explained however, since it's been shown than apostlehood doesn't necessarily turn everyone 'evil'.
If Guts does anything to harm Farnese, he will kill Guts. However, once bullshit happens and their father brings them in, it won't matter.
What's going to happen is that an informant will escape Falconia to tell the nobles and Farnese's father about what is going on in Falconia. They're going to find someone whom the informant knows to give them a better picture on what to do. The nobles will start looking for Guts, after he comes back from the island, to give them information on how to fight Griffith.
The informant will be quite a shock to everyone.
I have foreseen it.
I somewhat disagree. They twisted it very slightly but enough to fuck him.
Griffith always cared about his men and the wounded. He cared about being on top, sure, but not at a cost.
The God Hand basically just told him ''why bother? You're more important then them'' and it fucked him.
Griffith was willing to use people but not discard them.
Griffith still had some humanity in the way he manipulated people.
You can tell by how cold and uncaring he is now that he's a God Hand that he truly gives no shit about anything.
I think all apostles turning "evil" is a mix of the fact that they've already fucked up what they loved the most, thus making anything else possible and the fact of being almost invincible and fearsome (people with power tend to become assholes).
Griffith never considered Guts as his friends. Just as his best pawn. And when Guts left, he went mad and everything was fucked up in his life. Guts became his worst enemy. He HATED Guts. He raped Casca before Guts eyes because he wanted revenge, he HATES him.
Did you forget when Griffith went to kill the Queen?
Guts and Griffith grew to have something of a friendship. Griffith always respected Guts which is why they could joke and have fun.
Look at Griffith now.
There's not a single person he laughs with or talks to. He's just cold.
Well, that just depends on your definition of "friends".
If there has ever been someone in Berserk that Griffith respected or cared for, it'd be Guts.
You think Griffith would have cared if Casca, Judeau, Pippin, Corkus or Rickert would have died?
>The God Hand basically just told him ''why bother? You're more important then them'
You're saying he never once expressed this sentiment leading up to that part? That he was more important? That his goals were more important than the lives of his men? Because I can assure you he did with no prompting from any God.
That said he DID care about his Band, and sacrificing them was NOT something he could do easily, but to say that the Godhand tricked him and turned him into something he was not is to really minimize Griffith as a well rounded character. He was never pure good or pure evil. He was conflicted, he was human. He had never been above sacrificing his men or anything else to achieve his goals.
I think the kid normally stays inside Griffith as it's shown on your pic, but during full moon when the magic is the strongest, he's strong enough to separate from him for a short period of time.
I think Guts will use his behilit to kill Griffith but in doing so most of the party will get horribly sacrificed, maybe even raped, but Serpico and maybe one other party member lives.
Serpico gets filled with rage vowing to end Guts akin to how Griffith killed the band of hawks and made Guts fixated in killing him because he killed the people he gave his life too.
But you know this time Serpico get's fixated in killing Guts.
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Here's how I think the story of Berserk will unfold.
-Griffith gets crowned king by the Pope
-Rickert is happy in Falconia with Erika
-Small whispers about people vanishing
-Rickert pays no attention to it, continues daily life
-Erika (and maybe also Luca) vanishes
-Rickert starts snooping around
-Rickert finds a hidden spot he isn't suppose to find
-people are being fed to the Apostles as sacrifice
-section of the city are filled with people having massive orgies, plagued to death, disillusioned to insanity etc
-Rickert find Erika's dead remains
-He now knows how Guts felt in the Eclipse as Erika was the only thing he wanted to protect
-Rickert escapes after people ignore his warning that Falconia is a deathtrap
-He escapes to warn people outside not to come to Falconia
-Guts gets Casca's memories back and they ????
-Guts gives up on revenge
-loli witch and Farnese train and she becomes powerful by focusing on fire
-Guts and co go back on boat to island because of reason X and Y (who knows what happens on the island)
-we see the world in chaos with all the monsters
-mercenaries employed to protect castles, all wars ended
-Nobles have lost a lot of power, they pissed at Griffith
-Rickert tells them what is going on in Falconia
-They reach a conclusion that the Tree of Life is what is making all the monsters appear and Griffith has the only safe spot
-Vandimion and nobles spend money on army of mercenaries
-Rickert says he knows someone who can help
-Guts and co gets brought in the war
-Casca gets to lead of the army as General with Serpico helping with the plans
-big legendary war
-Guts kills Griffith in the battle
-Griffith goes back to the astral
-Guts is told by Skull Knight that he'll have to wait 1000 years for a new messiah for Griffith to come back on earth, like SK had to wait for Void
-Guts has to wait 1000 years to kills Griffith for the final last time
I think he had something with Casca. I believe that somehow, he "liked" the fact that Casca dedicated him a insanely great admiration. Just before the Eclipse, when he saw that Guts and Casca were lovers, he was really mad, he even tried to make love with her. And obvisouly during the Eclipse...
I'm not saying he didn't know he was important, only that if he actually didn't care, he wouldn't have whored himself.
Look at it this way.
Griffith whored himself out not to get to his final objective quickly (though it's one of the reasons) but so that less of his troops would die.
If Griffith was fine with sacrificing his army like pawns, he wouldn't have sacrificed himself for them.
His goals were important and above his men but he didn't ignore the well being of his men and *only* considered them as pawns.
Griffith, right now, only sees everyone as pawns.
Which is the funny contrast to Guts who sees everyone's humanity.
>Guts will sacrifice his party
How cliche and boring.
> My guess I Guts won't be able to protect Caska, his party and defeat Griffith even with the Berserker Armor + DragonSlayer so he'll sacrifice them all in desperation
Honestly, after two billion years of them running around miraculously not dying, this would piss me off to no end.
>Guts kills Griffith in the battle
How the fuck could Guts kill Griffith.
You seem to forget that Griffith is close to a God. A GOD. Berserk is not a JRPG, Guts CAN'T kill Griffith, it's impossible. If he tries it will end like Devilman.
Yes. Exactly. He was conflicted. It's not that he would never sacrifice his men, but he also cared very deeply about them. He wouldn't throw them away for nothing because they had value to him. At the same time, he was willing to sacrifice them (and his body and soul) for his dream.
So when the Godhand came and said, "this is what you've always done. You've always been using people to get to where you want to be, and this is no different," it wasn't without merit. It's something he himself believed to some extent, but at the same time to murder his band horrifically was also the hardest thing you could ask him to do.
I only take umbrage to the idea that he would never have thought that way before the Godhand came along. He did. That superiority complex and possessive streak was his dark side from the start.
Also, no, Griffith is not a God,
He's merely an Apostle with very very limited but powerful powers.
Griffith has two main powers.
He has jedi power of Force push and Force pull.
Anything targeted towards him is pushed away (is there an interval?) and he does so with his mind.
Griffith has also shown in the Eclipse that he can make matter and condense it to a single point.
Other than that, Griffith has no other powers.
However, this makes him nearly impossible to kill.
And are you telling me that Guts won beat the odds?
I'm still unsure.
The only certainty I know is that Guts will survive the end and will kill Griffith. Everyone else can die.
Casca is a possible weakness for Griffith and Griffith himself knows it.
The demon baby is still inside of him.
If someone, for example, tried to stab Casca and it affected Griffith, it might give Guts an opening. The problem is that Griffith knows that it's a possible opening.
It's the reason why the first thing he did when he came back was to see if being around Guts or Casca would affect him. And he confirmed it when he touched his chest. Griffith is too smart to ignore a possible opening.
Yes, but that was before Guts had the Berserker armor.
And Casca was not around.
Thee are many factors you aren't considering.
The question is how hard is Guts going to try until all of his blood dries up.
>Also, no, Griffith is not a God,
He is literally a member of a group called the Godhand. I don't get where you can be so certain of his limitations, seeing as though we haven't seen him (or any Godhand member) pushed to his limits. Unless you're secretly Kentaro Miura posting anonymously on 4chan, you have no idea what his limitations are as of yet.
Also you forgot that Griffith has the power...to move you.
Wait, when did Rickert deliver the slap? Last year? So we won't get anything this year? How the hell does the publisher even allow some mango author to procrastinate this long?
>How the hell does the publisher even allow some mango author to procrastinate this long?
This is what I don't understand.
It would be cool if we write some letter full of questions to Miura like the forum Skullknight.net did in the past.
It's not even on an official update schedule anymore, so I assume he's got some leeway. I'm still not sure how Togashi gets away with publishing one chapter every six months while being weekly.
Many hidden factors such as what each God Hand are representative concerning collective human emotion, what Grifith sacrificed and his overall past life reflecting his powers.
Not to the degree of making people cry and bow down.
Not on the level he does now. He was charismatic, yes, but it wasn't supernatural.
For a second there I thought you had something more concrete, like a page I missed that directly confirms what you said. I'm not saying it's a bad guess, but we still have no way of knowing the full extent of the Godhand's powers until Miura fully reveals as much. If you think what we've seen is all there is ever going to be, I won't say you're wrong but I'm skeptical.
> The only certainty I know is that Guts will survive the end and will kill Griffith
I'm honestly less certain about Guts surviving than I am about Casca. Guts is the struggler, and the manga takes every moment it can to bring up the tension between different goals people might have and the need to choose one over the other (swinging your sword for protection vs. for survival, friends vs. dreams, etc.), so it would make sense to me if he died killing someone and/or protecting someone.
Casca dying, on the other hand, would make the several hundred chapters full of "someone tries to kill Casca, Guts stops them" feel really cheap, you know? Especially if we're really, as Miura said at some point a while back, two-thirds+ of the way through - if that's true, there's not really enough time for her to regain her senses, go through conflict with Guts like Skully suggested, and then die, without it seeming rushed and unsatisfactory.
>very very limited but powerful powers.
and where did this fucking come from? he literally haven't broke a sweat when fighting as Femto. Not to mention he's probably the closest being to the Idea of Evil, who has a firm hold of causality itself.