So does that mean all of the archive is gone? No more access to long-passed Bromont threads and revisiting Yamaku Man's mindfuck of a story?
At least 4plebs was able to rescue /sp/, but for now that's the only board I lurk which still has a working archive.
So basically no data between June and today?
Again it was having problems long before that.
We literally had like 5 threads earlier. Check the archives
Oh gee willikers, you're right!
>the crazy son of a bitch actually did it
Maybe we'll join him some dayl.
i dont know why is everyone making such a big deal from this. why was use of https://archive.moe/ anywa, just to see old thread?
you cant comment in them so i dont see the reason of them existing
>>you cant comment in them
>What is ghostposting
I only care because I was gonna go digging for reaction images from shows I was away from /a/ during.
This. It'd been having problems prior to the shooting but the increase in traffic probably didn't help.
>tfw can't go back now and reread Boku Girl's best chapters.
Except a lot more stuff goes in between that. The threads don't encompass only what is currently airing. Without mentioning OC, translations, eventual links to really obscure shit someone ripped, scanned or mirror to stuff that went down you won't find elsewhere.
When am I supposed to laugh? The counter is gone now.
>What is ghostposting
A place where l can eagerly talk about how much l'd like to put another anon of the same sex's genitals inside of my primary digestive system and at the end of my excretory system.
This, its like the old /b/ threads. Some retard says they are going to shoot up something every day.
Then when it actually happens people conveniently forget the other hundred times they were full of shit.
I might be alone in this, but I am truly GLAD that this finally happened. One of the strengths of 4chan was its ephemerality. Posts come and go, threads get purged and every day is a blank slate. Archiving shit from the site DEFEATS that core purpose.
If I were admin, I'd actively wage war against any 4chan archive websites. Flood them with DMCA suits.
>100 + chapters and new translations are now gone
Good thing for pastebin I guess. I hope none of the other fan translation efforts were relying on archives for anything.
How the fuck am I going to track the progress of the Eva blurays now? For fuck's sake.
>There is no reason not to back things up.
It defeats the entire logic behind 4chan. With archives, it's no better than a goddamn phpBB forum.
Yes, I know about RebeccaBlackTech and 4plebs. Having the largest dumpster going down in flames is a good thing nevertheless.
But 4chan already has an archive, how could you have forgotten that moot? You created it.
>all my monstergirl histories are lost
>can't see [deleted] lewds
>realization that we can't see deleted post
Don't forget getting rid of the catalog and ddosing neet.tv to death.
Catalog did a lot more damage to this site than the archives ever could.
>They scanlated all those SYD chapters and uploaded them
Thank fucking god
There is still a slight possibility of recovering ALL the missing data. Slight, as in don't get your hopes up too much, but there is a chance.
And here is a list of the current board archive setup that will be uploaded to archiveteam's site. The archive.moe database has also been partially made available: https://archive.moe/dump/
But that's impossible for 4chan now, but in a factual sense and in a cultural sense. Maybe back in 2003 a deleted thread was as good as never existing in the first place, but now 4chan has to submit to monitoring by the FBI and that's one archive right there that never goes away. So posts haven't been "ephemeral" for a long time and will never be again.
Furthermore, we're a much larger community with different needs. We all cannot be on 4chan 24/7, and not everyone's memory is perfect. Hell, just this morning people were talking about an infamous tripfag and I only vaguely recognized the name. With no archive, I wouldn't be able to go back and confirm who that was and why he was brought up in the first place. The archive isn't to keep deleted threads alive, it's to see what's already been posted and what events have occurred.
Unless you want newfags getting their history from knowyourmeme, the archive is the best place to lurk or review what you've forgotten or missed.
It completely changed how people navigate and use the site and is directly responsible for the rise of general threads and the generals-like mentality. It basically sterilized 4chan.
>Hell, just this morning people were talking about an infamous tripfag and I only vaguely recognized the name. With no archive, I wouldn't be able to go back and confirm who that was and why he was brought up in the first place.
Was it INfinity? I mean, I'd run a check on the archives but...
I remember some guy was translating the Anno Phone BD extra and other anons were translating strips from the booklets. I was about to check back and see their progress when this shit went down.
That's also true. HOWEVER, it's a two-edged sword. Would you rather have generals or flood upon flood of threads like in the ugliest Code Geass R2 days?
Semi-permanent generals should be purged, however.
/co/ does a great job at this: Steven Universe general threads are forbidden during hiatus months
>but now 4chan has to submit to monitoring by the FBI and that's one archive right there that never goes away.
That's a rumour that's never been confirmed. And the way it goes, it only affects /b/.
>The archive isn't to keep deleted threads alive, it's to see what's already been posted and what events have occurred.
This is an enabling of newfags.
I agree, look at the SNK or Kancolle generals, they should be nuked of the face of the planet.
But more or less generals or running series are fine, we are too damn fast for retards to make a million threads of a single show now. If not of currently airing generals then it would be borderline impossible to discuss anything else due to threads getting bumped off.
Yoy can still see some threads with google cache.
>I agree, look at the SNK or Kancolle generals, they should be nuked of the face of the planet.
>But more or less generals or running series are fine, we are too damn fast for retards to make a million threads of a single show now. If not of currently airing generals then it would be borderline impossible to discuss anything else due to threads getting bumped off.
Exactly. It's only a matter of balance. Generals have a reason to exist. But unlike what we see on /co/ and /tv/, the mods of /a/ are too stupid to realize that.
No, but give me good old .hta-chan any day of the week.
Like you just did?
No, Shitzra or something similarly spelled. In reference to why the Rei trip no longer exists (the Rei clones I did remember, though. Good riddance to that).
Again, I recognize the name, but I don't remember what exactly this "Shitzra" did or was known for, other than being a faggot. No shortage of those.
>This is an enabling of newfags.
As much as we all want to throw newfags into the water to teach them to swim, realistically that's not what happens anymore. A newfag asks questions, we tell him to go look it up himself on Google. So the newfag does and he has many sites to choose from to get his information.
While lurking silently in real time is the without question the ideal, a newfag who uses the archive to lurk and answer his own questions himself is better than a newfag who uses reddit or knowyourmeme to learn about 4chan culture and events through the summarized observations of outsiders.
>Can't search the archive to know what's the best release/encode/translations for the stuff I had in my backlog
>If I make those types of threads now I'll get no replies or be bullied by anons trying too hard to fit in
Anyone else get most of your images from the archive? I can't be assed to save every image that I might post so I just scour the archive for the image I'm thinking of.
Looks like I'm going to be using google and gelbooru as my image folder for a while.
Maybe instead of looking back at the past all the time, you guys could, like, you know, look at threads that are alive right now. Seems kinda weird to be looking at dead things all the time, don't you think?
A quick look at the overlord general reveals a bunch of retards RPing.
A quick look at the SNK general reveals a bunch of people RPing
Finally a quick look at the Kancolle general reveals a bunch of people /c/ image dumping
They do this retarded shit to keep their threads bumped since they have next to nothing to discuss but don't want their shitty general deleted.
Generals, as a concept, are a negative force on 4chan.
Rather than the thread having any specific subject or point to make, it's just a nebulous "post things about this show" free for all. It certainly has a "topic" which is "on topic", but a general in and of itself isn't about anything. It's basically a means to allow people to avoid making a thread about a show they want to talk about as well as a way for a community and subculture to form. The latter is fine, to a degree, but that community and culture shouldn't hop from general #12 to general #13 and so on. Discussion on a show should stay dead until someone has something worth making another OP about.
If a new episode aired recently or a show is close to airing, I think a general-esque thread is fine. But mods should take a stand against allowing those threads to become general #1 that leads to general #2 that leads to general #1000 and all the "x is best girl" first replies we all see in generals.
What would that accomplish? I don't visit any of these regularly and the quality of posts is usually really low on the fastest ones. But once something is announced slightly relevant to any of the interest boards I'll check them for reactions because it's still more in line with my expectations than most outside communities. It's also easier to shrug off shitposting here since I'm used to the general behavior. In other places you can never be so sure they don't legitimately believe in the stupid shit they just wrote.
>It defeats the entire logic behind 4chan
Forum threads can go on forever, 4chan threads can't, no matter how you archive them.
the ongoing conversation in a thread wont last forever, and that's the point of 4chan.
You can go back to the archives and see what people were posting about before, but you can't take part in that conversation.
Low hanging fruit, but sure. Jojo. See, I actually like the series but the threads are absolutely horrible ever since it pretty much became a general.
>random reposting of the same few images over and over again
>'OCs' and image edits that seem like something out of 9gag
It also doesn't help that some posters actually admitted that they don't normally browse /a/ and only comes for the Jojo generals. And it shows in the types of posts made.
Overlord turning into a general killed my ability to talk about the LN everyone other week or so like we used to.
Now instead there are a bunch of retards roleplaying as maids and saying X is my favorite girl over and over again while image dumping art for pixiv or cropped images.
Isn't it pretty easy to deduce? The same shitty threads spanning for days are constantly bumped, leading to slower/less populated threads to be bumped off the board sooner than they would have.
Generals encourage forum-like mentality. Most generals spawn a new thread as soon as the old one dies, turning it basically into a 24/7 thread. A general will usually develop its own small circle of users, that will eventually end up in a circlejerk. When the show has ended, or there is no new material to discuss, a general will often turn into an imagedump or a clubhouse with low quality discussion. It happens with every general. That's why mods originally banned them in 2011.
>banned because you went to another board fishing for images
You can also search using the site option in google search
You're probably right about most of those.
But I don't go in those threads so they don't bother me. I always think that if the people are enjoying themselves it doesn't matter. Things don't always have to be serious all the time.
These are good reasons for why they may actively damage browsing enjoyment.
But >>131936131 is always an option.
It would turn into a bunch of retards posting links to the current general saying a thread is already up or idiots who post in the general will spill their shit over.
Besides doing dump shit like this means that smaller shows and mangos have a bitch of a time having threads stay up.
Look at the chart of how few shows actually had multiple bump limit threads for last season, if something isn't popular it wont last 100 posts because /a/ is way too fast now.
>Just make more threads
Or fuck you faggot we can delete the threads where people aren't discussing anime or manga.
These faggots should go to /c/ with their image dumps and roleplaying.
This is true. Even if a few faggots gather to ghost-post. Once the thread dies by intervention or natural causes there's no going back. Most people moved on to different threads and things.
I bet some people will disagree but I think recent Saki threads are a good example of a well handled 'general'.
There's a general rule to not make new threads until new chapters or spoilers are out.
>they take up space, bumping threads off
>they generally attract posters who are detrimental to the quality of the board, people who wouldn't normally post at /a/ (see: snk generals)
In general threads, people will start to recognize each other from the way people post and the different pictures people use. This gives birth to a circlejerk. Circlejerks encourage shit like blogging and off-topic posting. Therefore generals encourage the wrong kind of behavior that can affect the entire board.
>It would [...]
So you didn't even try.
We have had permanent threads since forever, Strike Witches love is alive and well took forever to die and it was pure image dumps for the sake and posting outdated "new" translated material for bumping it, circlejerk in those threads made it seem like it was an entirely different site.
That's perfectly fine in my opinion, I mean at that point it's not even much of a general.
/yys/ is alright too, the content in the threads are dead as fuck but at least they have the courtesy to do it once a week.
>Things don't always have to be serious all the time.
People WERE having fun (and not 'being serious') talking about the works. Then the shitposters/crossboarders etc came. Their concept of 'fun' is different from /a/non's concept of fun. /a/nons actually want to talk about the series. Madoka is a perfect example. Their idea of fun is posting about shit that should belong on /soc/ instead. There is 'fun' and there is 'off-topic low quality posting'.
And making more threads doesn't work because said shitposters will infect those threads too.
Arc-V is super cancerous and I have no idea how mods don't delete that shit.
Saturday-Monday its fine then the rest of the week it turns into card discussion and the most amount of faggotry I have seen on the site in a long time.
For a cautionary tale on what happens when you have generals allowed to run rampant, look at /co/, some /vg/ threads and /mlp/ (worst offender).
They really go against the spirit of 4chan once they have constant users who namefag/tripfag and rarely if ever venture outside their threads. The archive only helps them bend the nature of 4chan even further, for example I fucking guarantee you ponyfags love the archive because they can go backtrack through their fanfic garbage with it and thus it kind of helps validate the existence of their endless generals.
>snk (tumblr, roleplaying and other faggotry)
>madoka (tripfagging, roleplaying)
>overlord (roleplaying, crossboarding)
>jojo (normalfags, crossboarding)
>naruto (normalfags, crossboarding)
This probably happens to every adaptation.
>normal and productive threads about manga or LN
>"x is best girl"
>"first for best girl"
>[mandatory image reposts with no text comment]
>normal discussion resumes, interspersed with shitposting
Eventually in the lifespan of a series of general threads, the first few replies will turn into shitposting groundhog day. The same every time, without alteration or variation. Like the fucking Anniefag in the SNK general or the maid dancing images in the Overlord general. Funny the first time, funny the third time, not funny the 50th and 100th time. It's pathetic and encourages even worse forms of circlejerking.
Why mods tolerate it, no, why /a/ as a community tolerates it beyond me. It's not culture, it's spam. Reposts should not be encouraged to the level they are in generals. I can understand repeating a meme, but it should be done sparingly, not once per thread.
You know what I find the scariest? Naruto generals aren't even that bad anymore these days. Compared to all the other generals like JoJo's or Yahari, Naruto was... surprisingly tame. Years ago, I can easily just put Narutards as being the show with worst fanbase, but now, it won't even be bottom 5.
Gens can be improved if they are well-policed, i.e mods actually enforce the rules in them. Unceremoniously trimming any remotely off-topoc discussion hells break the inclination to become circlejerks and is fully supportable to do by the global rules.
Encyclopedia niggers came and shit up the manga thread so mods outlawed them to /jp/
which was fucking terrible for poor slow /jp/
The anime brought them back and they infest the threads now, I pretty much don't go in them unless a new chapter is out.
General threads aren't just forum threads in imageboard format, they're much worse.
This site was literally designed to have short, quick, fast paced threads that come and go. That's why we have bump limit, and that's why the threads eventually get deleted. Because threads are supposed to be temporary. General threads as a concept exist literally to fight against the site mechanics and work as forum threads on an anti-forum software. But they're not just worse because they're "ideologically" anti-4chan, they're worse because the way site mechanics work, content within those threads is objectively worse than the content you would find on a generic, traditional forum.
On a generic, traditional forum, in a sticky about X anime with 19529501 pages, people who post there don't have to worry about bumping the thread to keep it going. The thread can go on for days without getting a single post and it won't be auto-deleted. On 4chan, that's obviously not case. Which means that people are literally forced to post nonsense just to keep the thread going, else it would 404. People feel like they have to post something, even if what they're posting does not contribute to the discussion at all, just to have thread activity. That's the main reason why generals are so bad. Because people are posting even though they have literally nothing to add to the discussion whatsoever.
General threads always felt like a band-aid "solution". I'm honestly surprised the mods didn't just start stickying them, and then once they pass X posts, archive the old ones and replace them with new editions, so they don't have to worry about bump limit and all that.
Never denied that. I'm just saying that it's disturbing how they aren't the biggest cancer anymore. I checked out the threads (out of nostalgia) and their threads were a hell lot more on-topic than Jojo or Yuru Yuri.
You don't even need a adaptation and the sudden peak of popularity it brings sometimes. Whenever a manga or franchise reaches a drought the same shit happens. Shipfags post en mass, forced memes. All you need is some slow months and it all goes to shit. The worst part is that some of it remains, even after it goes back to normal schedule.
>problems with /a/
>no one brings up the spoonfeeding
At least the monmus generals include a number of manga series, to the point where it's hard to tell if art is from one series or another.
The monster girl generals on /vg/ and /jp/ are different. The /jp/ one is for Kenkou Cross's Monster Girl Encyclopedia, which is it's own little universe with it's own little community that follows it. The Everyday Life with Monster Girls series is rarely discussed on the /jp/ general. Maybe some art featuring characters from it is posted once in a blue moon, but the series is not discussed at all. The general on /vg/ is for Monster Girl Quest, which is its own thing as well. I cannot speak to what's posted on the /vg/ general, but I'd imagine it's exclusive to vidya and has nothing to do with MGE or Everyday Life with Monster Girls.
MGE isn't a manga, so it doesn't belong on /a/. MGQ is vidya, so it belongs on /vg/. Monster girl manga discussion belongs on /a/. It's fair to everyone.
We can rebuild it. We have the technology.
I hope that the 24 hour store has some text backups, we can replace the images no problem.
Thank fuck. Maybe this isn't all bad.
I saved it. The design magazine, right? Whit packaging and types. Pretty neat stuff. Let me get it from the other pc and I'll repost. The guy made a tumblr for that type of stuff too. I'll see if I can find it on my bookmarks.
Actually we didn't bring it up because it's the only correct answer to what problems /a/ has, and telling people that would have been spoonfeeding.
It was from an /a/ thread if it's what I think he's talking about. A bunch of things to do with the packaging of various physical releases. It was neat.
We also lost a shitload of /m/ Patlabor threads that had some useful discussion and links in them.
Here is the link to that anon tumblr. Not sure if it's all there, but it's something. I'll MEGA the scans he shared and if the thread dies keep an eye on the catalog.
The series of posts being exactly the same for every single general cannot be called anything other than unoriginal autistic spam. At its worst, it's a bot that's doing it, like the Anniefag in SNK generals.
I don't mind memes or reposts, just space them out over the course of the thread for fuck's sake. In what way could the first few posts of every individual thread in a series of generals being exactly the same be a productive exercise or healthy for the community?
Unfortunately we'll probably have to take this to /qa/, which will mean /s4s/ raiding the thread because a fucking mod ordered them to do so and a bunch of faggots call /a/ elitist or demand recommendation threads not long afterwards.
I wish /q/ and /qa/ weren't such awful boards. These are matters worth discussing.
It's swaglord being swaglord. I was neither shocked nor surprised when a bunch of shitposting started without mods doing anything about it.
If it was any other mod or any other board besides /qa/, I'd be outraged he wasn't sacked for blatantly violating Rule 4, but to be honest /qa/ is as much of a joke board as [s4s]. The mods keep it as a way of containing metathreads and periodically getting a laugh out of the people who post there.
So? That's still incredibly fast compared to traditional forums where threads last for literally years. And they didn't last for days because of site mechanics, they lasted for days because of less activity and less posters. Mechanically, threads were potentially even faster paced due to lower posting timer and bump limit.
The thing is, our perception of what is fast paced and what is slow paced changed. Think about yourself back in mid-00s when you just came to 4chan from a traditional forum for the first time, how did you feel about realizing that here, threads have a date of expiration and only last for a very short time (be it one hour or one week is irrelevant when your previous scale was literally infinity)? Even a week for a thread would seem too quick.