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>But if you don't know that stuff then how can you "recognize" it accurately?
The flag will always look the same, but can you read fancy fonts like this or handwriting without really knowing how the kanji are written?
I'd say learning to write greatly helps you with stuff like that, the only real downside is that you have to learn it
You have to go through the worst to get to the best.
>You cannot delete this post
I'M SORRY DJT
I'm sure, what I read was really really good, I was surprised to see such a high quality story out of what I thought was a plain moege. The only thing is, I'm a waaay slower reader than you (seriously, you started a bit later than me and have read like 4x as much) so while it may have been a week long endevaour for you I'd end up spending a month reading it and being depressed.
No worries, you were bold enough to post the thread when others were not, so no one has the right to complain.
I always expect the yuusha dude to just before me so I stopped doing it. Anytime someone complains about tripcodes or whatever just call'm a fag
No but really, I read the handwriting on pixiv comments all the time, weird fonts like that anime opening all the time, etc etc. I can recognize a lot of your screenshot but reading it is a pain the ass.
also I'm not fluent or native level yet so it's even if that was typed I probably couldn't read it all.
I should have listened to you all when you told me Rosetta Stone was shit.
Also, Im god damned embarassed when I realize why I know certain words because of hentai. Good thing no one will ever know.
is this archaism or what? just found this in my listening practices
Time spent shitposting is time spent not studying. If you're about to engage in a silly argument or off-topic discussion, close the thread instead. Use your time productively!
Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!
It's not a big deal, anon. It won't show up in the archive, but if someone wants to find this thread badly enough they can just use the previous thread link to get to it.
>I always expect the yuusha dude to just before me so I stopped doing it
Yeah, I was away for a bit and forgot that the thread was near bump limit.
>Steve spends half of his Q&A video on his 70th birthday with his son to talk about my question
What he actually does with the lingqs. Whether he studies the words while in the reading, if he just glances at them and hopes it sticks, etc.
>Oh yeah we do live meetings a lot, like on Google+
>Live means face-to-face, dad
>oh, we do those too
>so while it may have been a week long endevaour for you
You overestimate my abilities. I'm pretty sure it took me at least 3 or 4 weeks to finish it when I read it.
I'm still at 900.
feels good to recognize more and more kanji everyday tho
I'm only at 450.
After studying for 9 days (笑)
>learning correct 99.86%
>young correct 97.95%
>tfw only at 1135
>paying for wanikani
If it works for him who cares. I'd say good for him. As a failure myself I understand how sometimes it was hard to motivate myself studying until I found a method that felt "right".
If you don't know over 2000 kanji you're still pretty early in. If you know over 2000 and are still actively learning Japanese you're probably still in the vocabulary acquisition phrase known as intermediate. But that's about all you can judge. An advanced student will know just as many kanji as a well read intermediate.
So, can anyone explain anki to me? I imported a deck and want to make a sub deck out of it for a quiz I am studying for, but each kanji shows up twice. Once for recall, and once for recognition.
How can I filter it down to only display once?
It's not perfect by all means but it works quite well
I still got the beta discount at 50$ per year which amounts to 4,2$ a month, I don't mind paying that much to keep them going, mami viet and koichi are pretty chill once you write with them on the forum
>studied 309 cards in 10 minutes
Alright lads this is my best speed ever in anki. 300 in 10 minutes. I remember when I thought 100 in 10 minutes was impossible. So this is the power of anki.
Hmm, the main thing I would say though is that most methods recommended here end "strongly" - RTK3 ends with 3,000 some kanji under your belt which is hanpanai, Core2k ends really quickly AND gives you enough to start a mined deck (and subsequently a mined deck is never ending), etc etc but WaniKani ends with 2,000 kanji which isn't enough and 6,000 vocab which isn't enough, you need to go from WaniKani straight into anki after finishing, and at that point why not just go anki from the beginning? Not to mention anki is free. If he is reliant on wanikani's stuff to keep him motivated then he's gonna have a really rough time when he starts anki. Whereas if he just started with core + rtk (or whatever) in anki he'd never have to completely switch environments.
Though this is all moot if he's actually doing both wanikani and anki, I don't know.
I'm about 1300 cards into Core6k now and I'm starting to notice that some of the translations for the cards are pretty bad. Some examples:
Core: representative athlete
Jisho: player (in game); team member
What the fuck is a "representative athlete"? I mean, I know what the two individual words mean, but I've never seen or heard this term in my life.
Core: sellout, sold out
"Sellout" is pretty much never used as anything but an insult. Nobody says "the venue is a sellout", they say "the venue is sold-out".
Core: be taken, be seen through
Jisho: to be photographed; to be projected
These are just a few I got today, but I've come across others in the past. Where do these bad translations come from?
I really stopped giving a fuck. But I did just now get that this is how you write ばんぐみ which means program.
It is kinda long with the individual routes being short and unlocking as the story progresses. My memory of how long it took me is a bit fuzzy though since it was months ago and I remembering taking some time off from the suffering to finish up Aokana since I didn't finish it the previous month. My oldest screenshot I have of Kamimaho is from 1/15 and it is pretty deep into the story, and my torrent is from 12/21.
>But I did just now get that this is how you write ばんぐみ which means program.
Someone in the last thread said AGTH works in Windows 10. But I can't seem to find a way to get it to work with Japanese fonts.
I can get VNs to play in Japanese, but not with AGTH. And I can get AGTH to work, but not in Japanese.
What the fuck am I doing wrong?
The suffering and depression was from Kamimaho. Aokana wasn't hard but it was kind of long, and I'm a completionist so I had to finish every route. I also thought it was kind of average and it bored me at times which made it take even more time to read.
And I disliked the protagonist.I was pretty much in the middle of reading it when Kamimaho came out and I ditched Aokana for it.
They had them
I don't see the point of it at all? Like why even say it? Do you make such a post every time you learn any word? Or what? Why did you attach the image? Why ばんぐみ specifically?
How many failed attempts have you made prior to your current attempt at learning Japanese, DJT?
Does taking a 6+ months break and then continuing from where I left off mean a failure? Half of those were burning out, the other half being busy with life. If they all count, then at least 5-6 attempts.
Quit midkana once, quit on chapter 4 of genki due to kanji (and not knowing what to do) once.
This third time is a huge success simply because I got into anki and that hand held me all the way to knowing 2400 kanji and knowing enough vocab to comfortably read
I only need to check like one word every 2-3 sentences and the text hooker is set up like this so it's really bad for trying to actually read sentences
>learn a word written in kanji
>learn one reading of said kanji from seeing it in that word
>learn another word with the same kanji
>either already know the reading used in that word or learn a new reading
>the reading is easier to remember due to having context (i.e. being in a word)
>no need to waste time memorising readings that you never encounter
>no need to waste time memorising readings which are useless on their own anyway since you never know which reading a word uses until you've learned the word itself
Someone who's smart enough to install linux will most likely be smart enough to be able to read without a text hooker, while understanding most unknown words through intuition. After reading for a few months I could guess the meaning of 95% of the unknown words, and just for looking up the rest is not even worth using a text hooker for.
The various uses of 「いう」got me hurting.
>learn the most common reading or two
>easy to remember because you include it in a fucking mnemonic that also denotes the radical components of the kanji
>never have to dissect words to try and remember which reading was for which kanji
>only have to memorise the exceptions that don't fall under the most common reading
Learning kanji through vocab is pretty much one of the stupidest things you can do, and quickly lends itself to mixing up similar kanji.
Daily reminder to use mnemonics to remember kanji composition, onyomi and meaning.
You'll remember it better, won't get similar looking kanji confused and be able to guess the meaning (and reading) of most jukugo without even trying.
Learning a dozen kanji and then inferring the meaning of dozens of jukugo is far more efficient and an objectively better way of learning than memorizing dozens of jukugo and inferring the kanji reading/meaning.
But it's better.
Unless you want to play video games. Or use any specialized proprietary software for your work. Or want to edit images, video or audio.
>b-but gimp is just as good as photoshop!
Well, at least it's good for running a server and browsing the net!
The only thing you'd have a problem with is VNs.
Reminder that Linux has the superior media player.
Core2k up to 1,000 kanji then mined deck up to now
Core 2k/6k/10K Further Optimized PIC/SOUND
All in One Kanji
These are the decks I use for Japanese, with personal modifications. Why you should use them? They have been very helpful for my studies, I guess.
>just noticed precum on her sock
Also, did you read all of monobeno? That's a super long game, really long, like I said you've got god speed
I'm reaching the 1500 point in Core6k and have been contemplating starting a mining deck.
Did you find that having done Core helped when you started reading? Looking back, do you wish you'd stuck it out longer or are you glad you switched to mining?
Nah, I have yet to read Monobeno. I just saved this image from the one time I saw it posted.
I didn't quit, but I stopped being an ankidrone after I finished about 2/3rds of Core6k.
My rate of improvement has subsequently suffered.
Is it because Anki
and RTK on the sidereally was working, after all?
I think I'm going to go back. Just to see.
Not that guy, but you writefags are the worst. You always have to jump in and try to show off whenever you see someone who knows more kanji than you. Try to hide your jealousy better.
Nobody gives a single shit about writing. When would someone ask me to write in Japanese? Why I am interacting with another human in meatspace? Am I somekind of fucking normalfag?
As long as he can type them, then that is all that matters.
I don't know why you'd say that. I mean, being half illiterate shouldn't you just humbly accept advice of people who are actually learning the language instead of mindlessly trying to hammer it into their little heads like the stupid monkeys they are? I just don't understand you people.
>Did you find that having done Core helped when you started reading?
>do you wish you'd stuck it out longer or are you glad you switched to mining?
I'm really glad, all the kanji in core are stuff I see all the time while reading so mining the stuff I specifically don't know really helps. If it helps, I switched at the 2200 point.
The only big big warning I have is that if you add a kanji you don't know, go to jisho and at least 2-3 "common" words with that kanji, preferably using like *浦 and 浦* to get it into different positions. Otherwise you'll memorize it in that one word then struggle to remember it in other contexts
>I mean, being half illiterate shouldn't you just humbly accept advice of people who are actually learning the language instead of mindlessly trying to hammer it into their little heads like the stupid monkeys they are?
This doesn't make any sense
>You don't know a kanji if you can't even even fucking write it when asked.
>if you don't write you're a stupid monkey hammering the language into your head
Why even post if you're going to make yourself look like an ass
>You don't know a kanji if you can't even even fucking write it when asked.
I've never seen such a case of denial. I guess your poor, little mind couldn't cope when it realised it had wasted its time learning a useless skill (writing) which it is never going to use and is now desperate to justify it by inventing the ridiculous idea that you don't know a kanji even if you can read it and recognise it immediately.
Please enlighten us all as to when the fuck any of us would need to write kanji.
>Someone in the last thread said AGTH works in Windows 10.
I'm that guy, I have no idea what your problem is. I set my computer to Japanese locale, run AGTH and it works flawlessly.
Go back to Windows 10 and post a screenshot of what your AGTH looks like when hooking text.
Come on anon, if you know what you're saying you should be able to define "know".
You say you need to be able to write a kanji to know a kanji. Therefore, "being able to write" must be in the definition of "know", right? There's a hint, work off that.
To test out my Japanese I decided to play some old Dragon Quest games since they're not too complex. Not too many problems so far but I di have a question about something I just saw.
In Rupugana there's a girl who offers to give you a puff puff and if you say no she says:
「オカマのどこが わるいのよ！ いじわる……。」
I'm confused about the first sentence. オカマ means male homosexual, so is she accusing the player of being gay because he doesn't want a puff-puff? Not 100% sure what どこ is here either. I think she might be saying "It's such a shame you're gay! How unkind..." or something like that.
>he says while trying to defend not being able to write a language in a thread dedicated to learning said language
Unless I am mistaken and was mislead by the fact that the OP picture says 'daily japanese thread' and not 'anki stats general'.
>hey anon, you learning Japanese? write something for us
And then you'll say "but I don't have any friends and nobody will ever know so who cares?", dismissing the fact that even this hypothetical situation is enough to show that you how ridiculous your stance on writing is. Stop being in denial and just say it out loud, I don't want to learn because I'm lazy.
>hey anon, you learning Japanese? read this article for us!
>... well I don't know all those words yet, but I've been learning to write...
Any hypothetical situation can be twisted to show whatever the fuck you want it to.
>Actually I am only learning to read and understand japanese and not writing it, since it's such a huge task on its own. I may learn how to write later but for now my goal is to enjoy content in japanese. If you're really curious I can write kana and a few kanji!
I wrote when i started but the time investment was just too much for me so I decided to focus on reading and come back to it at a later time when my reading, vocab, and kanji recognition is just completely solid.
>since it's such a huge task on its own
Do you really believe that?
I'm not the one saying "to know kanji you need to be able to write them". This statement implies that to KNOW kanji, you need to write them. But as far as I understand it, the word "know" doesn't involve writing kanji, so clearly his definition of "know" differs from mine, so I want to know what he thinks "know" means.
So the only reason you can come up with to justify learning to write is so that I can show off to my non-existent friends?
Yeah. My (latin) handwriting is already very bad. I tried my hand at Kana back when I was learning it and it didn't look pretty at all. I honestly don't think my kanji would be recognizable.
What do I have to do with anything? I am merely asking a question.
>some people in this thread can't even read or write in cursive
>I honestly don't think my kanji would be recognizable
But you spend time on writing that he does not.
If you're saying that learning to write isn't that big of a burden to your other studies, then logically speaking, you also have to admit that he can easily learn to write after he's read millions of sentences and amassed a huge vocabulary.
Before you get argumentative, please know that I strongly encourage writing, because it definitely helps with retention (there are countless backing this claim up, and they're not only related to language-learning either). I am a writefag, and I have notebooks full of autistic scribbles. But I still think it's going too far to say that somehow anon isn't learning Japanese just because he's not using a pencil and paper in his studies.
Child japanese learn their language before they learn how to write. It takes them the entirety of compulsory education to be able to write without issue. However, their language is indivisible from the way it's written.
It's impossible for us to have the natural method of knowing the grammar and many words before we begin to study kanji, because we are not blessed with many innocent years to naturally learn the spoken language.
It's impossible for us to learn writing naturally, because it's simply not something that we did while evolving. There are illiterate normal people. There are no unspoken normal people.
There is no right answer to this problem. The only thing you can know that you mustn't do is conflate the current options as being all that is available.
If enough people try hard enough, for long enough, and don't blindly snuff out other memes, then effective learning methods will always shine through. We can only write because we're taught it, and writing only works because it happens to be good for us, and it only happens to be good for us because we've tried for generations and generations to make it better and better. Learning methods are the same thing. They're DNA of the educated soul.
>It's impossible for us to have the natural method of knowing the grammar and many words before we begin to study kanji,
Watch 10,000 hours of anime (that's about 5 hours a day for 5 years)
>you also have to admit that he can easily learn to write after he's read millions of sentences and amassed a huge vocabulary.
I know the input hypothesis has a strong following in these parts, but you as a writefag don't actually believe this, do you?
I feel like these kinds of posts are made by really inexperienced people
It only takes like 6-12 months of anki and regular reading to get pretty good at Japanese, and by month 16-24 you'll be blowing through SOL manga and moege (or LNs aimed at 13 year olds such as DxD or Oreimo). At that point there is really no way you can feel despair about the language.
You say the effective language learning methods will always shine through. Well, they already have. Read a lot. Listen a lot. Basically, PRACTICE. That's it, that's all it takes to learn a language. The only reason people fail on like reddit is because they spend too little time practicing the language and too much time not practicing.
The biggest problem in this whole mess the huge number of people who think "speaking from day 1" is effective, and the huge number of glasses who spread that incorrect information.
In short just read a lot and listen a lot and there is literally nothing to worry about. Within the end of your second year you'll be fucking awesome at Japanese.
agreed, in canada we take french class for 6+ years and barely learn to form a single fucking paragraph. A lot of people think you can get anywhere with 15-30 mins a day of half assing along
If you do actually spend that time every day you will get somewhere. I had German for 4 years and I never studied in my spare time, as a result I'm worse at it than I am at Japanese, even though German is close to my native language.
This is the hell that existed before anki, 3 years in and not even 2000 kanji
Also I just looked up his post and he also said
>Btw, If you do 6 kanji a day for the whole year, you can finish Heisig.
So what the hell? "people spend their whole lives and never get close to 2000 kanji. by the way you can get over 2,000 kanji in a year"
Maybe another mark of mid-high intermediate is that you can accurately guess what words are actually just names.
Just gonna draw attention to this once more.
I thought that might be what it is at one point, but I just didn't understand how guys refusing a girl's puff-puff would result in a response like that. Unless it's a trap and she puff-puffs you with pads if you accept.
Alright, I will define my terms.
"Practice" is something I understand to be as something that improves your abilities in something. You are better after practicing then you were before.
Reading to me is "practice" because in doing so your Japanese improves; you either improve your grammar, kanji, or vocab, even if you read very easy stuff your fundamentals slightly improve. It's better practice to read harder stuff obviously because it improves you more, if you read really really easy stuff then it's really bad practice because you don't get much better.
And how are you gauging this 'improvement'? As far as I am aware everyone in this thread either thinks you're retarded or absolutely avoids production on the grounds that it is hard and they'll get to it later or it wasn't necessary to do in the first place.
Well, it's a long term thing mainly, over time you recognize more kanji, struggle with less grammar, and know more words. By reading you expose yourself to the language in huge amounts and over time it sticks.
I don't know why you mention production in the middle of that.
Rule of thumb is that if you can't use a skill, you don't know it. Of course most of the people in this thread are the lazy autist who has immense natural ability but zilch to show for it.
are you really trying to fucking say that reading is pointless in language learning
just because you can't guage on a fucking app your progress, doesn't mean you aren't taking something away from it..
Also, WTF are you talking about? What does speaking have to do with reading? I just realized how out of left field your post is, the question was "how is reading practice", and now you're talking about people being unable to speak? Where did that leap in topic come from?
I think it's safe to say that this is either a troll or a belligerent idiot, either way no one should feel compelled to keep up this argument. Nothing's going to come from it.
It would appear so. If you explain so an autist can understand that what he said was wrong, he will say nothing and walk away. However he will not forget what you said. The next day, he will find that his opinion has changed, and his posting will differ because of it. This will happen to more people as time goes by, and a new consensus will be formed. This is the way of the anonymous imageboard.
That might be the problem. Uninstall the current Hanahira, restart and reinstall Hanahira from scratch and see if the problem gets solved. I never upgrade and only do clean installs because of shit like this and more often than not, drivers get fucked.
Yeah, that's the wrong setting, tha'ts just a bullshit setting for "apps" and shit
you want to change your os "Locale". see pic related.
Just a general tip for early beginners but resources that say "たち is a pluralizer" are explaining it wrong. It means something more like "and company". If a character is talking to another one that's with its friends and says 「一条たちは面白い」, it means that Ichijou and his friends are interesting not that multiple people named Ichijou are interesting.
I just had a pretty cool moment, I was trying to remember the word for like stroking/rubbing someone lovingly but I couldn't think of it, but I knew it was 撫でる in Japanese so I put that into Rikai and saw "caress" in the results, which is the word I was trying to remember.
In short, for the first time in my life, I knew a word in my second language that I couldn't recall in my first language. Pretty neat stuff. Maybe this is a symbolic step.
>tfw handwriting random sentences as usual
>can easily remember mildly complicated kanji like 優、無理、鍵、撃
>start writing an autistic sentence about bears
>can remember that the "parts" are 月、２ヒs and ⺣
>can't remember what goes in the upper left corner
>have to look it up
If there's something worse than completely forgetting a whole kanji is forgetting one of the "building-blocks", I mean I can instantly recognize 熊 even more difficult ones when reading, but when writing sometimes it becomes a pain remembering the exact place of each part, especially if it's a kanji you don't see/use that much
Being a handwriting-fag sure is suffering.
What would your parents say if they found out you were learning Japanese to fap to 2D girls?
>emigrate from my home country 5 years ago
>learn my new home's language (different than my native one)
>learn english (not my native one either)
>get to intermediate hell in jap
>hadn't had much contact with my native language on these 5 years
And only now I'm starting to forget a few words, so yeah like >>132173836
said, unless you're a retard you'll hardly ever forget words in your native language
That's like bragging about never forgetting Core2k words
If you hardly interact with your native language I imagine you didn't read enough books to get an actually high vocab level in it
>My fetish is futa on male
>I haven't even watched Love Live yet.
This just sounds weird... I know it's not but... I dunno. I don't think I've seen けう in any other word... in fact I just searched anki for けう and got no results, so けう isn't in any words I've ever mined... weird.
It seems like there's only 17 words in Japanese that that sequence of sounds at all. Pretty interesting, especially since most of those seem archaic and unused. I wonder what a Japanese person thinks of "けう", do they think it's a bit unusual?
I've heard of it, and I remember. This is my anime word list from years ago before I started to learn Japanese.
N-No bully, I didn't even learn Kana back then. I was just for some reason focusing on my listening back then when watching anime when I didn't really have any intention of actually learning it. I guess I was thinking "someday" I will learn it. This text document is from before 2010, when I actually started learning Japanese all this vocab and the listening practice I got over the years really helped speed up the process a lot.
Yeah well, I'm the dipshit using Rosetta Stone because work provides it for free. So that isn't an option currently.
Yes this is suffering, but I'm able to do it for an hour a day 5 days a week and watch anime on the weekends, which is more than I was doing as a NEET.
>I'm the dipshit using Rosetta Stone
You can't learn Japanese
>calling counters "conjugations"
m8 you don't wanna keep using rosetta stone
>traveling somewhere by plane
>a guy sitting a few seats ahead is using Rosetta in his laptop
>for 3 straight hours he sits there
>nothing but basic vocabulary "onna no hito" and the like
>no grammar in sight
>all ローマ字 not even a single kana
>people pay God knows how much for that shit
>I'm just trying to learn spoken japanese
Anon please stop
I don't know how to react to this.
Of course it works a whole lot better when you know how to use it.
The fuck is 神ゲー?
Jisho gives me nothing
I'm running out of reaction images. How do you not know the word "kamige"? What the hell is going on here tonight?
>I got it to work with one VN
>this means it works flawlessly with all VNs
In case you hadn't realized, there are some people here that want to learn moon while they unironically give 0 fucks about any aspect of jap culture, as ironic as the might sound.
What is it with ESL people and thinking they absolutely must reply to their every post fixing every typo they ever made? If you're that worried about it delete the original post and make a new one. By doing what you're doing all you do is waste reply count and make the thread look messier than it should.
Hey man, I've already explained the only reason I'm using this abortion of a program is because it gives me something to do on my lunch break and it's free.
And since you probably haven't touched RS, you don't know the hell that is trying to figure out the difference between ni, nikko nisai, futari and whatever else there is. RS does not explain the difference at fucking all.
There is no way to figure out the difference between ikko and ippon.
But seriously, the best way to learn the language is whatever method has you actually putting in the time. I'm working with what I've got. Going to power through it, and then start over with a new program and see what's sunk in.
RS is garbage and will lead to failure. Whatever reasons you have for using it don't mean much in the face of that fact.
>But seriously, the best way to learn the language is whatever method has you actually putting in the time.
This is not actually true, if it's something as garbage as rosetta stone. You need to put a lot of time into something constructive and beneficial. Powering through it is just wasting time you could be spending on better methods.
>all you do is waste reply count and make the thread look messier than it should
These threads are 90% (sometimes more) shitposting and off-topic discussion anyways since retards don't know how to ignore bait and off-topic posts. We had a few 24~ hour threads a few days ago, but it looks like that was shortlived since we're already back to 12 hour threads. All it really takes is one person constantly picking fights to ruin the threads, though.
>>If you both are so confident you are right
WINE is a compatibility layer for Linux which lets you (attempt) to run Windows programs in Linux. Whether or not it works is very hit and miss and even some popular shit like MS Office and Adobe Photoshop is practically impossible to get working through it, yet this guy is trying to claim that all VNs (and presumably doujin games too) work flawlessly with it and if they don't its just because "you don't know how to use it".
His proof for this is apparently a single screenshot he posted of the title screen of a single VN he has running.
>this guy is trying to claim that all VNs (and presumably doujin games too) work flawlessly with it
Can you quote that? I can't find where he said exactly that. I don't want to think you're being disingenuous or anything just to spur argument.