To think he was a mass murderer sociopath at the beginning of Z
Toriyama still wants to shit on Vegeta.
The bitch deserves it for pic related.
That entire scene makes no sense. Bulma is supposed to live in a Western Country stand-in, and yet all food places that Vegeta took Whis to (and he had already visited with Bulma) were Japanese.
About to punch her pussy again
This is Toei lazy filler, hence the childish humor, and the waifued Videl, I mean in the manga she doesn't look this cutie waifu, and all the non-chick japanese elements (DB was supposed to have chink influence more than moonie).
so vegeta is the only one to get some actual character development instead of being
>muh proud saiyan prince who only likes to train
>must surpass kakarot
for being a toei series
this isn't so bad
>dragonteam still haven't released anything past 13
When she forced her dad to go to fight Beerus. In wonder what was Toei trying to imply? Does Videl want to kill her dad? Or does she think it's his duty to fight the god of destruction?
Everyone got development in the Buu saga.
Krillin and 18's family dynamic.
Chi Chi training Goten.
Gohan with the Great Saiyaman.
Piccolo as the new official saiyan nanny.
Yamcha and his frienzoned relationship with Bulma.
Every somewhat relevant character in the series has developed at least somewhat. Small moments and lines of dialogue still count as character development, you don't need big, in-your-face, speeches to demonstrate that.
You'd have to be a pretty terrible writer if you're unable to develop your characters even a tiny bit.
this show fucking sucks. I've been loyal to everything put out with the dragonball name until RoF, i just can't deal with it anymore
DBsuper is a pandering slab of shit with terrible production values and no plot.
Frieza training when?
>tfw Toriyama finally acknowledges GotenxMarron
Can you stop with the ship bullshit?
I'm repulsed, yet attraced.
>DBsuper is a pandering slab of shit with terrible production values and no plot.
So...just like DBZ? The only thing wrong with it is the art. It's more quickly paced than DBZ.
Vegeta's last line in Z is saying he'll surpass Goku, anon, pls.
I thought for a moment Bulma kicked out Vegeta from her house with his only belongings(extra sayian armour and loads of ramen for Whis)and that in the next episode it would look like single Bulma was hooking up with Goku.
Goku beating Super Freeza is BS, but whatever.
This shows how smart Goku can be sometimes. Right when he and Gohan got out of the time chamber, they trained to try to control they SSJ powers doing normal stuff. They could probably break those eggs now fine in SSJ, when Vegeta couldn't.
Pure delusion, as expected of Super fanboys. Vegeta's development was reset and that's a fact.
Cuz she's Chi-chi. Also because she's had two kids so her boobs got a zenkai boost.
I accidentally destroy an egg every now and then, it makes me feel retarded every time. It just either blows up in my hand or gets completely annihilated when I accidentally use too much force trying to crack it against something
>New universe, so we don't know how this Vegeta lived. But you are right.
Random kid has high chances to get erased and you know it. Enjoy your time of uncertainty.
HYPED as fuck. This is what I'm being waiting for, more Saiyaman time and it only gets better as Pan is already born in the next episode.
>muh headcanon will become TRUE
dunno what nyaa is but thanks, i'm sure i'll find it
>There is no way Toriyama would disrespect the ending of his own manga
He has disrespected his own canon since the every beginning. In Super Pan is born earlier, the end of Z is altered with this simple fact.
Cry a river.
I'm not going to post the whole new problem with Goku and possible anyone reaching the Super Cyan, because that only trigger Uubfags and I don't want to read that much butthurt.
Only blacks and SJW care about Uub. Toriyama doubts people remember him.
My body is ready.
Finally, anons, our time has come.
I hope at least a third of the episode is dedicated to the Great Saiyaman stuff.
I think it might actually be Gohan given up being Great Saiyaman. Toriyama had mentioned it offhandedly, and some of Super's additions to the movies are based on random setting comments from Toriyama.
>Gohan shouldn't be in colleague and living off Mr. Satan.
We don't know that though. Still, even with the BoG's timeline, it'd be only 4 years after the Buu Saga, where he hadn't finished high school. So being in college at that point is perfectly possible.
>We don't know that though
My Uubfag. Gohan at the end of Z is 17 years old (18 in reality because the time chamber). 17 + 5 years = 22 years. Enough time for him to finish his studies.
Just give up.
>"And you are still as short as always"
>instead of more of this great SOL we get rehashed BOG & ROF
>Gohan given up being Great Saiyaman
Why do you have to broke my dreams like this?
>Super should always be slice of life.
>being this stupid
>Implying Masked Bardock won't be on Beerus' team
I watch DB for power level fighting and 100 episode training arcs. Not Vegeta baking and making some stupid half-assed training session with controlling power.
Yes I know DB started off as comedy, but like Arnold Swarzenegger movies, they're best when it's action with comedic bits, not comedy with action bits
How is he supposed to be able to go super sayin blue, if he can't even get SSJ3?
>Gohan at the end of Z is 17 years old (18 in reality because the time chamber). 17 + 5 years = 22 years. Enough time for him to finish his studies.
First point. Your age for him is wrong. Gohan is 16 (17 physically) by the end of the Buu Saga.
Also, using numbers like that is misleading. If you just say "he's 17 years old", then he potentially could have finished high school in the Buu Saga, but that wasn't the case. He was in the middle of high school there. If this is 5 years later, he could be in his last year of college for example.
It's all pointless though, since he hasn't been shown attending college at all so this is just a fan theory of yours.
Gohan and Videl haven't mentioned money problems or needing money at all though. He might have a job or not, we don't know. Just like how we don't even know what the hell he's supposed to enjoy studying so much. The staff even made fun of it with the "Hard Book" stuff.
>Your age for him is wrong
Gohan's age in the Cell saga is 10, plus the one year on the time chamber, plus the seven years after the Cell saga. Age = 18.
>Gohan and Videl haven't mentioned money problems or needing money at all though
Again, episode 1, Gohan apologized to Videl for the fact that she is always buying stuff for him, and he's unable to buy her things. Videl just told him he just needs to concentrate in his studies.
>After Beerus attacked, Gohan’s clothing has become thoroughly subdued!! Did he give up that stupid-looking— …er, Great Saiyaman, we wonder?
It's from the scan which revealed Gohan's new design for RoF. Now that I look at it again though, the quote isn't attributed to anyone.
>Convinces Whis to train him with fucking instant ramen
>After all the stuff that happened with Buu he probably doesn't even remember it
Isn't the episode after Buu saga canon in manga, where Videl and him appear as the Saiyamans, also in BoG movie Gohan has his hero outfit.
And again Toei makes something better than Toriyama.
I enjoyed the fights during Goku's childhood, but then Z arcs came in and became bored, I started appreciating more the SoL parts.
BoG had it perfect for me, but I also liked RoF's fights, putting the CGI aside, the normally animated fights, is like the bothered to put some actual choreographies and felt more martial arts in there.
Well shit. I was never big into 18 because I don't like the Android Saga. But mechanize my dick and call me Gero, cause I want to repeatedly input my ejection device into that receiving slot.
>Gohan's age in the Cell saga is 10, plus the one year on the time chamber, plus the seven years after the Cell saga. Age = 18.
Gohan is 4 years old at the start of the Saiyan Saga. 1 year for the Saiyans, then a couple of months between Namek and androids and then 3 years, you get him to 8. Then he has a birthday before the Cell Games, so 9, although it'd be 10 physically.
You're probably using the American dub which for some reason changed his initial age to 5.
>Again, episode 1, Gohan apologized to Videl for the fact that she is always buying stuff for him, and he's unable to buy her things. Videl just told him he just needs to concentrate in his studies.
I concede there. Still, a "scholar" doesn't make much money, unless he actually becomes a writer or researcher.
>no beach episode despite the tease in the OP
Fuck you, Toei
>Super Saiyan 2 and 3 are nothing more than powered-up variations of Super Saiyan. After the fight with Beerus, Goku realized that mastering his normal state and Super Saiyan would raise his level more and sap less strength, so I think he probably won’t become Super Saiyan 2 or 3 any more.
Should have taken lessons from Itachi.
>Now that I look at it again though, the quote isn't attributed to anyone.
Probably the editor is voicing what some characters in the show/manga previously thought about his outfit.
If you can find me one solitary instance of that page, in any language, that doesn't say he's 16 years old then maybe I'll believe you. Until then, you are talking out of your ass.
>Make the math, nigga, Gohan was born in 757, Super in happening in 774.
The guidebooks aren't canon you retarded piece of shit. Read the fucking manga.
Toei actually showed moon buildings instead of the classical chinese one that palgued DB, muh nationalism?
Okay, discarded as canon, but the scene was funny.
>The timeline was made by Toriyama himself, you ignorant.
And that manga wasn't?
Either way, there's a way to reconcile the dates in the guidebook (774 for the Buu Saga (not Super which has to take place at least 1 year and 6 months later due to the Dragonballs being recharged), with Gohan being 16 there. You seem to forget that people's birthday doesn't come alongside the beginning of the year, but on their own time. So, maybe he eventually would become 17 later into 774, but he still was 16 through the time we saw him there.
Yeah, but no one would have told me where can I download the new episode. I got it from nyaa already, but sill.
Lord Slug was designed by Toriyama himself, are you going to try to argue that Lord Slug is canon? He isn't, because he's not in the fucking manga. Gohan is 16 during the Buu Saga because the manga says he is, that is all there is to it.
Both of you don't know how to count
>Also it's impossible for Gohan to have 16. Clearly seven years has passed after Cell saga, even if we take your timeline, he would be 17, not 16.
So, it just means that he was 9 in the Cell Saga. Get it through your head, it's stated in the manga that he's 16 in the beginning of the Buu Saga. There's no space for discussion here.
I have 10. And another 9 from pic related.
Tell me where did you get this episode so quickly. It wasn't on nyaa at the time people posted screenshots here.
>It has to be as I said.
No nigga, count the years, even in the fucking manga Toriyama said how much time has passed between the sagas. Just give up and accept your error.
So the DBS anime has filler!?
Shouldn't the Champa saga be happening in the anime by now?
I got really bored with the anime around episode 5 ,the animation was too poor and pacing was too slow for my taste, dropped it but read the manga published so far and I really enjoyed it.
>Toei didn't even bother animating this
>Both of you don't know how to count
Gohan is 4 years old at the start of the Saiyan Saga.
A little less than one 1 year passes before the Saiyans arrive.
Then one more year and some months between Namek and androids. So, he'd be 6 by this point.
Then 3 years training for the androids, and you get him to 9. (10 physically)
Then 7 years later, 16 in the Buu Saga, like the manga says.
The anime creates a problem here by throwing a birthday for Gohan before the Cell games, but the Buu Saga could just happen before his birthday.
>It has to be as I said.
No, it has to be as Toriyama said. The manga plainly states that he's 16 years old in the beginning of the Buu Saga. The mistake is obviously on your side if the numbers you're "calculating" don't match.
That's why he's going to get his own movie next where he becomes even more perfect somehow, while also giving Gohan a chance to stop jobbing and beat him again.
who am I kidding, I doubt Gohan will ever get the spotlight again
You are missing one year, in past threads we have discussed that. But I don´t remember now. He's 18 (17 in your timeline).
>The anime creates a problem here by throwing a birthday for Gohan before the Cell games
Eh, no, one year passed so they just celebrate the birthday he spend in the time chamber.
That's because the original story of Dragonball is a Chinese folktale.
If you already knew and you were complimenting them on staying true to the source then feel free to call me a faggot.
>Ah, Gohan so nice to see you, but I have evolved past perfection.
>W-what do you mean?
>Behold, Golden Super Saiyain God Super Cell, or if you'd like it shortened, Hyper-Perfect Cell
Does anybody has a scientific hypothesis about why american citizens of sub-Saharan African heritage are obsessed with Dragon Ball ?
Teen Bulma is close to perfection though.
From the screens and webms here I can't help but think I'd actually enjoy it if Toei wasn't such a shitty studio nowadays. The situations looks fun, but they are all drawn in a really crude way. And the art direction is all over the place. A lot of those objects, backgrounds look borrowed from a different series.
>This world here is known as the 7th universe.
>I am the sixth universe's god of destruction
Wait what? I thought the movie said he was the 7th god.
They were bad, but their trash looking to passable ratio wasn't pending so much towards the former. All their current stuff, looks like late Manglobe works, without the streak of decent first episodes. I'm not even asking for outstanding scenes done by illustrious animators, just for more material that doesn't look like it was made by their D team.
It feels really amateurish. A shit ton of smaller studios would kill to work with one of their big IPs and do a way better job at it. Toei just puts the minimal amount of effort possible to keep on schedule.
Bardock looks awesome, Toei could use Heroes characters after "Fukkatsu no F" Saga, if they have good taste.
And maybe Future Trunks/Supreme Kai of Time could return too.
Dude, I watched Saint Seiya religiously back in the day and re-watched it recently. The occasional stupid bullshit like the Squid Saint aside, at least they were better at being cheap bastards back then. "Toei being cheap in the 90's" still looks a great deal better than Toei being cheap now.
And no, I'm not one of those fucks whining about how all anime looks like shit now. I'm usually in the camp telling those guys off. But current-age Toei is just singularly terrible. The terrible fuck aesthetic of shows they now are cultural-icons/cashcows is appalling. Look at what they did with Sailor Moon.
Something about pink-skinned midgets man, I dunno.
He's from a different timeline, it's different. Of course that means that there are different multiverses with a different Universe 7, but we don't need to go there. Hell, there're 3 different Cells.
It's like a Super Saiyan bargain sale.
Japs like her. That's all there is to it.
And they are neurotic about never changing voice actors. They literally have to die for that that happen usually.
It's why King Kai VA is still voicing him despite sounding he's about to, well, die.
I would be happy with a Budokai 4 or Burst Limit 2 with all the crazy shit Heroes has in it. I dont mind Heroes just because it's all the stuff I wanted to see as a kid and more.
I wish she'd die already so they'd recast him
But even if that happens they will just hire a soundalike and the problem will still be there, they'll never make Goku sound like a man like he does in every single other dub
I honestly don't get why people think into it this far. Like, I get not liking Nozawa, I personally used to hate her but have come to love her over the years, but can't you just leave it at not liking the girl voice?
Like, it's a fucking cartoon. Does it really matter how they can have babies even with voices like that? It's fucking Dragon Ball of all things.
Sometimes I'm glad I grew up with latin american dubs. I only recently heard Kenshin Himura's original voice and couldn't fucking believe how terrible it was.
Also the guy who did Vegeta in the mexican dub was fucking amazing.
The one main thing a lot of people cite when it comes to the quality of these shows is that there's too much anime being produced each year and not enough people to produce it.
No, he's still from universe 7; just a different time line. There are 4 time lines mentioned in Z relating to the whole trunks and cell time traveling fiasco.
That means we can have multiple stories for multiple time lines spanning over multiple universes. Super could go on for decades if they use that idea.
Four? I counted three. The current timeline, Trunks' future timeline, and the timeline that the Cell that became perfect came from. What's the other?
Yes, she's his elder sister and her name comes from a French apple brandy.
>we'll never get HD OVAs that retell each World tournament Saga condenced into 2 hours each.
So the whole "hunt for SUPER BIG dragon balls" and supreme kai wishing himself split apart again happened during BoG, will they still do it in DBS?
They got the Namekian Dragon Balls, thinking Champa and Vados were after them. Turns out they were after the more planet-sized Dragon Balls. Kibito Kai then wasted one of the wishes into splitting them.
It happened mid fight doofus go read ch. 4
How did Toei end up like this? I get not being able to hold on to all talent, but one would think they would at least put some effort in contracting some skilled animators for their anticipated shows. Or if all else fails some experienced director that can conceal their cheap shit better.
Why do people think Toei has gotten worse? Toei's always been this bad. Why would you put money into finding skilled animators when you can just outsource knowing people will eat shit up? It's about money, they don't care about the cartoon itself. Most studios don't.
They effectively have. Their cheap stuff in the old days meet the industry standards. Some low quality episodes to save money spread along the season, panning, stock footage. But now they really stand out. You don't see many studios putting so little effort on a regular basis. When every episode is a saving money episode things clearly took a wrong turn.
Their strategy works, but they could've taken other successful paths that lead to more exciting product. There's money in regularly delivering quality products. The way it's now they are just tarnishing the brand in the long run.
One Piece is still selling like hot cakes though and I don't think anybody is complaining about the animation for Precure here. Then again, a lot of the animators that work for Toei really like Precure, which is way more than what could be said for Sailor Moon and Dragon Ball.
I'm of the opinion that Dragon Ball should just be in movie format, that releases everyone few years. Personally, I greatly enjoyed BoG, and RoF.
Speaking of which, how would /a/ rank the movies? Top 5?
1. Fusion Reborn
2. Battle of Gods
3. Tree of Might
4. World's Strongest
5. Resurrection of F
So TrunnksxMai didn't happen and now Goku cucks Vegeta?
Battle of Gods>Resurrection of F>History of Trunks>Yo Son Goku and his friends return>Bardock father of Goku>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The rest
>Those are specials not movies
It was never shown but was mentioned. There was also a second timeline were cell became perfect and the cell games happened but without trunks. It branched off because he never made his return trip to fight since he was killed by the lizard cell who stole the time machine to become the perfect cell in dbz's main timeline.
Posting Zangya in a DBZ thread because so there.
>1. Fusion Reborn
>4. Broly The Legendary Super Saiyan
>Battle of Gods is literally shit
Are we ready for Goku expresing feelings for Chi Chi in the next episode? it's gonna happen
Chi chi gets mad
>Bulma is my best friend
>But you Chi Chi...
>Yes Goku k-kyya?
>You cook my meals