Holy fucking shit.
I just watched the first episode of pic related, and I was in physical pain from cringing for almost the entirety of the 24 minute runtime. Any remaining time was spent laughing hysterically.
I was under the impression that Valvrave was along the lines of Gargantia and Aldnoah: not high art, but mostly solid and entertaining. Does it get better, or is it really this fucking awful from beginning to end? I haven't seen a first episode this damning since Blassreiter.
I knew this would be the first reply. Aldnoah S1 was damn good, anon.
At the very least, it isn't anywhere near as bad as Valvrave's first episode would indicate.
Is that what it is? I wish I could have been around /a/ when it aired. I don't think I can endure this trainwreck in solitude.
I'm sorry /a/. We wanted him to fuck off somewhere else, but I didn't think he'd go to you next.
You all can be kinda shitty sometimes, but you don't deserve the Valvrager.
>I was under the impression that Valvrave was along the lines of Gargantia and Aldnoah: not high art, but mostly solid and entertaining
And you got something much better than the mediocrity feast that was Aldnoah beyond the very few episodes and that will eventually deliver unlike Gargantia.
>Aldnoah S1 was damn good, anon.
It promised but ended not even being stupid enough to be funny. And the entire Aldnoah S2 is below the lowest Valvrave point.
I mean, even the art is horrible. There's something about the faces that makes me uneasy, like some Innsmouth shit.
Sorry, I'm not usually a "thing you enjoy is shit" type person. I tend to have extremely plebeian tastes, see: Aldnoah.
Is that really a thing?
I guess its more like, Valvrave is a fucking rollercoaster ride. Shit happens in it. It's not particularly good. The art is okay.
If you want to watch it, you should be watching it for the hysterical laughter.
That's actually right next to Valvrave in my backlog. I heard really bad things, but then I heard much better things.
Is it really baiting to say that I loved Aldnoah but recognize it as the type of thing that the "patricians" of /a/ look down on?
I'll gib ya one in the gabber, lads.
>The art is okay.
Valvrave kicking off at the end actually looked really nice. The rest of it was unpleasant.
>If you want to watch it, you should be watching it for the hysterical laughter.
Maybe now that I have a clearer picture of what I'm getting myself into, I'll be able to handle it.
>Maybe now that I have a clearer picture of what I'm getting myself into, I'll be able to handle it.
>"patricians" of /a/ look down on?
Even half brained plebs look down on it.
It's a matter of proportion, anon. There was significantly more physical pain than ironic mirth.
>character design is quite good
I disagree, but I respect your opinion. These niggas just look weird to me.
>I was under the impression that Valvrave was along the lines of Gargantia and Aldnoah: not high art, but mostly solid and entertaining.
What gave you that impression? Valvrave was enjoyable for the fights and to see where the story would go, but it was never that great. Also, the music was good.
Ya'll /m/ooks are some serious pussies if this is what you consider rage.
>What gave you that impression?
I'm honestly not sure. I took a couple year vacation from tibetan cavepaintings, and I think I ended up slurring those three shows together for some reason.
>Aldnoah: not high art, but mostly solid and entertaining
So bait thread
>if this is what you consider rage.
It's the insidiousness of it, and also the fact that he just never stops. It isn't like your Sakurafish either. He constantly revises his posts and technique so you can never quite filter him.
He's not really that 'ragey' as much as he is annoying and a chronic shitposter. He's also really bad at not pretending to be other people.
>I was under the impression that Valvrave was along the lines of Gargantia and Aldnoah: not high art, but mostly solid and entertaining.
If you're not entertained then I don't think we can do anything for you, faggot.
It's this hot as fuck cake that got less time than she needed and some other slut.
I can understand that, but past the first post, I've mentioned some things about the episode that weren't terrible. And I'll name two other ones here: the music was bretty gud, and the plastic green hangers didn't look as bad as I thought they would.
It's just shit like pic related made me want to close the window, crawl into a hole, and die. It wasn't enough that the writing was terrible, but the QUALITY was off the charts.
What a strange OP, he doesn't seem to really have any real complaint against it, except he's prone to feeling embarrassment and horror out of nowhere and decided to blame it on the show.
Fuck him, VVV was a ton of fun.
I can tell OP hasn't actually watched VVV, because the first few episodes are actually pretty great. The way it sets Haruto up being an edgy "They killed my waifu, now I'll show them a REAL monster!" and then two seconds after he gives up his humanity she's like "I'm still alive, wow that was fuckin nuts huh?" was hilarious to me. It's like, shit, NOW what?
Now I don't mind shitting on VVV as a whole because S2 was just shitty and needlessly grimdark, but come on. S1 was the best part of this shitshow! You can't just come here and shitpost about anime you've never watched!
BOKU JA NAI BOKU JA NAI
S2 doesn't exist.
>wraps up the whole series by killing every good character or changing them then leaves a shitty as fuck ambiguous ending
>anywhere near good
>he doesn't seem to really have any real complaint against it
The writing and art/animation QUALITY are my complaints, see >>133075050
Anon, I literally said that I only watched the first episode. I was asking if it gets better.
I'm going to have to agree with this anon. Maybe there's hope yet.
That's not what QUALITY means, dumbass.
I already know that protagonist-kun dies at the end, and I knew that there was rape in either Gargantia, Aldnoah, or Valvrave. It wasn't in the first two, so it must be here.
Concluding on the overarching theme of how cooperation and trust is how bonds are forged rather than mere understanding (or alternatively: lies ruin everything) left a greater impact on me than Cain revealing himself to be space Dio.
I mean, ep 12 ended pretty hype with Cain unleashing his glow and all, but 24 managed to deliver a theme. I am an absolute sucker for when a show delivers a thematic message.
Now that I look back, I saved some of the weirdest shit into my VVV folder.
>Concluding on the overarching theme of how cooperation and trust is how bonds are forged rather than mere understanding (or alternatively: lies ruin everything) left a greater impact on me than Cain revealing himself to be space Dio.
>I am an absolute sucker for when a show delivers a thematic message.
The ending was literally witchhunts. There was no understanding, just fear and killing.
Still can't believe the person who made this had it actually nearly come true a few episodes later.
To be fair, S1's finale was a tough act to follow.
>all these spoilers
Alright, lads, I'm out.
Maybe I'll persevere. If I finish it, I will probably report back. Sorry in advance.
Wasn't that one made after the whole marriage proposal/blowing up her dad thing?
>These niggas just look weird to me.
I wont comment on their personalities, but all the girls were cute as fuck.
I thought the characters in Valrave looked good too, at the very least it doesn't have sameface issues like many character designs today, but the "Valrave is bad" mentality makes people feel like everything it has is bad.
>It's a shame that the show turned out so bad considering how good the music was.
But it wasn't. Al the in show music was bland and boring and Nana and T.M. don't sing well together.
It has comfy parts too. It is like a 50 episode series of the alternate Eva setting.
VVV has a better cast of characters than Aldnoah. The art is pleasant, so is the OST. The story and the pacing are abysmal but at least deliver what they promised: the seed of revolution.
>VVV has a better cast of characters than Aldnoah.
>The art is pleasant,
No it's pretty bad
>so is the OST.
Bland and boring
>The story and the pacing are abysmal
>but at least deliver what they promised: the seed of revolution
Nope. We were promised a giant space war in the future. Not some shitty story that had no payoff.
There were dumb as fuck TWEEEST, sure some made the story entertaining but it was still dumb like the rape.
They just should have explained sucking runes is Space Vampire sex rather than put that out nowhere.
>We were promised a giant space war in the future
No, it simply said the VVV system would unveil the truth to the world. It's in every single episode preview.
I suppose it lied because
L-Elfdid that shit.
Shitty neet and unimportant
Not important and a non character
Unimportanr and useless
Backgrounds are not characters
It's normal, certain types of shows just attract particularly lively fanbases.
It had one of the most actual homo 'bromance' in mecha since Fafner.
There was a point in episode 7, was it? That felt like fucking NTR with A-drei begging for L-Elf to come back and he choosing Haruto. Really felt bad for the guy. ;_;
Getting carried away with the flimsiest and wildest speculah is one of my favorite things.
It's quite easy to figure out: rune lust kicks in whenever Haruto is low on surplus runes during the events of s1, hence all the bitey hissfits. It's a reflex to ensure the Valvraves are adequately fueled for operation.
During the events of s2, particularly when the ardor grip is installed, the mechanism that'd trigger rune lust fails, cutting into Haruto's own runes which is where major memory loss comes from.
It has the most successful 'peace princess' in the entire mecha history: L-Elf.
Because VVV threads were fucking great.
Nothing gay about being the cream to one's coffee, the ham to one's eggs.
I do, but I have never seen ambiguous future child that's obviously made up of Haruto or L-Elf or space vampire sex in bites or L-Elf fucking comparing Haruto to his love interest and Haruto wanting to kill himself because he made him cry.
They went too far. At that point, I didn't believe Haruto's affection for Shouko was real. It just seemed like a huge beard.
>It's quite easy to figure out: rune lust kicks in whenever Haruto is low on surplus runes during the events of s1, hence all the bitey hissfits. It's a reflex to ensure the Valvraves are adequately fueled for operation.
>During the events of s2, particularly when the ardor grip is installed, the mechanism that'd trigger rune lust fails, cutting into Haruto's own runes which is where major memory loss comes from.
None of that was ever implied or even hinted at. You are just making up bullshit to defend them dropping the attacks after the rape.
I prefer Aldnoah's. Lame Tryhard is best girl.
LET'S GO ED never got enough screen time.
Little fucker lasted longer than anyone ever expected.
Lord of the Flies in space, they said.
Thunder didn't job. He had no way of beating him now he's upgraded his robot. The most retarded thing in the show was not have L-Elf steal one of those Krishbaums whatever they were called because he was the most OP pilot with Cain.
Karlstein have always been better pilots than the VVV squad, the only times the VVV squad had the upperhand was because L-Elf planned it, superior machine and surprise element. They get wrecked otherwise.
You're just mad you'll never enjoy as much job satisfaction as he did.
>fight literally in Raizo's hand, complete with point blank shot
>oops Queer spot dodges and Raizo is suddenly too derp to think that could happen
>NO THIS IS THE ONLY OUTCOME THE VALVRAVE WAS DOOMED TO FAIL NO MATTER WHAT
you're trying too hard
Bullshit he was, that was a a total punt on Thunder's end.
Toying with your prey never involves letting your prey grapple you and threaten a point blank kill shit. That was a hard read on Q's end but it smacks of bullshit that Thunder is so shortsighted as to have that be his downfall when up to that moment he demonstrated a significant buff to competence over the last time he jobbed.
>Gargantia and Aldnoah: not high art, but mostly solid and entertaining.
What. Gargantia is great, Aldnoah is shit and Valverave is worse shit. There is no consensus anywhere on the internet that Valverave is good for anything other than watching a trainwreck
Valvrare was a story about a Suzaku with vampire powers and a Lelouch with Suzaku powers.
It might help to be familiar with the insanity of Ryosuke Takahashi.
Or the climate of the 90's, particularly with the Gulf War and rice shortages for Japan.
But it is pretty standalone.
>The most retarded thing in the show was not have L-Elf steal one of those Krishbaums
I honestly think they did that on purpose. They knew if L-Elf had a robot he'd annihilate everyone. Gotta nerf him somehow.
- Haruto burns himself, loses all his memories (he can't remember his name) and dies as an empty shell, except for his lingering feelings for L-Elf. He might not remember who he is, but their ga-bro love was so deep he recalled at last fucking minute to traumatize him and die in his arms tonight.
- L-Elf survives but loses Lieselotte and Haruto. The post-series material (and the hints in the forward dated future scenes) show us he funded a Galatic Empire where everyone can coexist together down the line. Immediate timeline has him as defacto leader of the Module and new country, ally to A-drei, who becomes a leader in Dorssia. He and Saki help to liberate Dorssia and Dorssia and the good Magius (not the Council 101) like Intigirl become allies to the Module under L-Elf, believing his dream. He forms the Golden Seven too (they are in Undertake, a magazine complimentary material).
- Shoko, consumed by grief of her betrayal and actions, eventually comes to term with Haruto's death, quits her useless Prime Minister role because L-Elf is their leader and replaces Haruto as Hito pilot. She has embraced Haruto's, Lieselotte's and L-Elf's beliefs in the end.
- Saki helps A-drei and L-Elf to clear up their MISUNDERSTANDINGS which proves crucial in the end. Promises to live her life the fullest to Haruto and seemly gets pretty friendly with A-drei (teases him as she used to tease Haruto). She becomes fiercely loyal to L-Elf's plans but tries to straighten his poor people skills (for context: L-Elf was one of the few who didn't ditch her when she was in trouble in season 2 and she learned a lot of his past thanks to A-drei), she teaches History to his descendant 200 years the line. She's a good friend with Akira.
- Other characters who got a happy ending: A-drei, Akira, Satomi, Drills (she marries Satomi), professor, Kriemhild, slut teacher, Iori (fuck her), Glasses dude, ARUS PREZ (for now), Pino, Prue.
They would have fucked up L-Elf if they made him a girl.
But I agree that was the most convincing love interest in the show.
Aldnoah was dumb, but tolerable during the first season. I liked it a lot for the first few episodes, and since I marathoned it that liking carried me over halfway through the series before I realized that this was actually a pretty disappointing series.
Then it ended, and the way it did made me think that the second season could fix the problems the first one had had, maybe with a new lead, or at the very least a new status quo.
Needless to say, I'm never giving two chances to a show again.
Fake, does not explain Shoko getting to ressurrect Haruto with help of un-humanoid aliens at end of series.
The empire L-Elf and Saki built is not "coexistence one" either, but dominated by vampires.
What needed more screen time was Saki dryhumping Hayato.
It would have made for a very interesting relationship, but they didn't follow through after the initial act because muh morals.