>in two routes she is ignored and left to roll in worms, while her crush chooses other girls.
>abandoned by father, abused by step-family, no Cinderella ending in sight.
>Even Archer, who acknowledges and remembers fondly Saber, Rin and Ilya does not seem to acknowledge her existence, even though they grew up together.
>Grandfather is immortal so she must suffer for eternity if HF does not take place.
Her life is horrible, and if you , mock her, like so many do, you have no humanity in you.
Actually, one line Archer says in Heaven's Feel after seeing the shadow implies that he encountered it before in his history, but was unable to save her.
It was something like "Then maybe this time...", and it kind of implies that he held out a little hope that it was possible to save Sakura.
And hey, at least she gets a spotlight in CCC!
If only I could understand any of it.
Can't even rank in the top 15 when even her servant does
>And hey, at least she gets a spotlight in CCC!
As a completely different character
Why do people even care about this slut?
Shirou's life is also shit, and I mock him too. Your victim complex only makes you more hate-able slut.
It basically asked if anyone can claim to have read anything that was not written on English, By the same definition, I've never read Don Quixote or Caesar's Gallic War because both were not originally written in English.
>in two routes she is ignored and left to roll in worms, while her crush chooses other girls.
Yeah, what's with that anyway? Sure Nasu couldn't give closure to them because it might be spoiler but it still bugged me.
Let's be fair, Sakura could have pursued a relationship herself. She had Taiga supporting her going with Shirou. That she didn't make any effort to try before the HGW is entirely her own fault.
Sakura is not the heroine of Heaven's Feel. She is simply a plot device/villain made to keep the story moving forward. She does not do anything worth calling her a heroine. Yes, she does in fact have sex with Shirou, not because she is the heroine, but because she is the love interest, two different things. This is also something that sets HF apart from Fate and UBW, the heroine and love interest are not the same person, like Saber or Rin.
You probably already guessed who the heroin of HF is, but before that you might be wondering, "Why did Nasu choose make the heroine and love interest in HF different but not in the other routes? He certainly had choices between rider, Caster, Ayako, Taiga, and so on." This is because, as we all probably know, there were originally mean to be four routes, not three. He was forced to merge the Illya and Sakura route for reasons. He always meant for Saber, Rin, Sakura, and Illya to have the same about of significance in the complete Fate/stay night story, but out of no where he had to axe either Sakura or Illya. He clearly did not want to do that so he found a way to bypass it, make one the love interest and the other the heroine, something he never considered for the other routes because he did not need to merge anything back then. And why is Illya the heroine? If you read HF you should already know, or just use google-
>A hero or heroine is a person or character who, in the face of danger and adversity or from a position of weakness, displays courage or self-sacrifice-that is, heroism-for some greater good.
I'm just trying to clear up a common misconception. Don't let disillusion Sakurafags fool you.
Many people may hate her, but the truth is that she is objectively the hottest of the main three girls. She has the most impressive rack and an ass to die for.
>Even Archer, who acknowledges and remembers fondly Saber, Rin and Ilya does not seem to acknowledge her existence, even though they grew up together
I'm retarded for never thinking of this. That actually says a lot about both me and Sakura.
She does more for Shirou in one scene than Sakura does in the whole VN.
You are asking for to much. /a/ is full of normalfag shitters that mock her because 'it's cool' and 'it's the right thing to do'.
Objectively speaking she is the most complex heroine by far.
>she is objectively the hottest of the main three girls
Not with that ridiculous hair color and dead fish eyes.
She just has nice tits, but we already have better alternatives in Liz, Bazett, Rider and even Luvia.
Hair color is fine, it's the dead fish eyes the problem. Her design is ten thousand times hotter in CCC because her hair is longer, she's not wearing gramma clothes and she has lively eyes.
She has a fetish for eyes, no less
Whendid I mention that Sakura was the heroine??
Stop being so defensive and read more carefully, for fuck's sake. My only point is that Illya hardly qualifies as the heroine of the route.
I don't understand how people can have a tough time differentiating when hair length is so obvious
Sakura is a worthless slut only good for her breeding-sow body.
Wouldn't that be A'acht instead?
Ilya just says yes to Shirou because of her dad and Saber.
Rin and Rider are both perfectly valid options too.
Illya is just a glorified plot device used to justify Shirou surviving in HF True. Sakura and the world could still be saved without her help, and the story barely changes if you take Illya out of it.
>Ilya just says yes to Shirou because of her dad and Saber.
There are no feelings between Rider and Shirou and Rin already had a route. If you take Illya out, HF is at a standstill since Shirou can't decide between being a hero or saving Sakura.
Its true. Ilya wouldn't give a shit at all about some random master if Emiya and her weren't related to some extent.
Have you ever seen how Ilya acts towards Rin?
>Bahsahkah. Kill her. Goodbye Rin.
But by talking to her Shirou manages to get close to her as a distant family member.
Didn't you say...
>The only options are Illya and Sakura, and Illya qualifies more.
No she doesn't. She's just there because of Acht and she can't actually solve the Heaven's Feel route.
How far are you going to take this out of context?
>There are no feelings between Rider and Shirou
So? Sakura is the love interest, we've already agreed on that. The heroine does not necessarily need to have feelings for the MC, she just needs to be the most relevant heroic female character.
>Rin already had a route
So? she does fit the role of a heroine in HF. No one said she couldn't be the heroine in two routes. In fact, she is also a heroine in Fate, but not THE heroine.
>If you take Illya out, HF is at a standstill since Shirou can't decide between being a hero or saving Sakura
Illya doesn't convince Shirou of anything, it's the reader who ultimately makes Shirou choose between becoming Kerry or saving Sakura.
Sakura is not fine, she's fucked up too, but she doesn't have to mantain a Berserker that constantly drains her and puts her body under tremendous stress. Rider was holding back a lot for Sakura's sake, Kariya just didn't have a compassionate servant like her.
>Illya doesn't convince Shirou of anything, it's the reader who ultimately makes Shirou choose between becoming Kerry or saving Sakura.
Shirou would not have considered the choice until talking to Illya.
They are both pawns or tools being used by the heads of their families, not heroines. They don't fight on their own for a greater cause or anything like that, which is what heroines do.
>Shirou would not have considered the choice until talking to Illya
So, Illya is just a plot device to trigger the choice. You could just take her away and make Shirou monologue a while like he always does, or talk to Rin, Rider, Archer, or pretty much anyone else.
Like, are we talking in terms of a romance story, or just in chemistry?
Cause I don't think UBW had the best romance, but I like Shirou and Rin's interactions overall the most.
Sakura doesn't get left to the worms in any route. Waver comes back the next year with the intent of dismantling the Fuyuki grail, (after UBW, he has Rin and Shirou helping, after Fate, just Rin), it ends in a battle with Zouken who ultimately dies.
Shirou DOES have a choice. That's what HF is about, and what Fate is about too which he chooses to put Saber above all too.
Sakura is a victim with worms that would kill or control her if she disobeys grandfather. She never had a choice. That's precisely why Shirou chooses to save her, because she completely destroys his easy ideal of childish sense of "justice". It was uncomplicated when he fought bad guys.
>It was uncomplicated when he fought bad guys.
Excuse me? There was an entire route dedicated to showing the inherent complications of following his ideal, beyond just killing baddies.
UBW forced Shirou to see into a future where he becomes a hardened killer, and made him choose whether or not that path was worth it.
He still thought it was.
That makes no sense, the cycle is speeding up. It was 100+ between the second and third, ~60 years between the third and fourth, 10 between the fourth and fifth.
It would be 1-2 years tops until the sixth.
>She never had a choice
Yes she did. She had the exact same choice as Shirou. She could put others ahead of herself and do the right thing, or she could prioritize herself. She chose to put herself ahead of literally thousands of other lives.
She's based on Sakura Matou, Meltlilith makes it clear when she says the one BB was based on had feelings for a man like him (Archer = Shirou).
She even has the same fucking measurements, height and weight that Sakura does while fake Rin is different. She's got longer hair and not dead fish eye which is a vast improvement but Sakura's design was always good, she was never put as flattering as she could be.
2010s - The taking apart of the Holy Grail War.
Ten years after the Fifth War. Lord Emelloi II (real name, Waver Velvet. One of the Masters of the Fourth War) arrived in Fuyuki and together with the head of the Tohsaka line, set out to completely take apart the Great Grail. The Association was planning on bring back the Greater Grail, so the two sides were completely opposed. After the end of the great turmoil of the same magnitude as the Grail War, the Greater Grail was completely dismantled. The Grail Wars of Fuyuki came to a complete conclusion here.
Ten years later, so the grail was taken out in 2014.
>and together with the head of the Tohsaka line
Also, Waver has become a fraud. He didn't even know the circumstances of Kayneth's death and his feelings for him. So taking his name is just wrong.
>There was an entire route dedicated to showing the inherent complications of following his ideal, beyond just killing baddies.
There wasn't. You would have a point if he had decided to kill Rin for the sake of his ideals, instead the last message that Nasu added was "you'll get tired of this immature bullshit and become happy after you abandon it and settle down with you're waifu or you'll be a faggot like Archer."
He talks big, but UBW doesn't back up his big talk. Because everyone holds his hand so he wouldn't kill a fly. UBW Shirou is disgustingly weak emotionally and presents the lesser growth. Fate Shirou is where is at in the end, ironically, but people hate him because he wasn't a power fantasy Gary Stu with a shounen battle against Gilgamesh.
No, she doesn't. Shirou has a choice to live his life as he wants. Sakura doesn't. She's impeded by Zouken. You seem to not get this: she's a victim. That's the whole point of HF. So was Angra Mainyu by the way. Killing either of them was wrong, because both was innocent scapegoats. Kotomine was in a way right here. So was Gil. humanity needed to be culled and face their own evil. Because he's nothing but the product of their collective wish for someone to make them feel better with themselves.
When Archer said that he wasn't wrong at the end of UBW did he mean that he accepted Shirou's resolve and believed in his ideal again or did he mean that his bitterness and anger wasn't wrong either?
No, he said his ideal wasn't wrong, it had nothing to do with his actions. Go replay UBW, Saber reaches to the same conclusion, they still regret their actions and see them as sins, but the ideal was beautiful.
Extra and CCC also offer insight to Archer's thoughts. UBW didn't heal him at all, but made him quit his self-destructiveness.
>instead the last message that Nasu added was "you'll get tired of this immature bullshit and become happy after you abandon it and settle down with you're waifu or you'll be a faggot like Archer."
What the fuck dude, that's not the message at all. The whole ending was about how Shirou would hold up his ideals, while Rin would support him all the way, and in the end he did, he becomes a hero, but not a Counter Guardian.
>He talks big, but UBW doesn't back up his big talk. Because everyone holds his hand so he wouldn't kill a fly.
Absolutely ridiculous. Shirou is perfectly willing to kill in UBW. He threatens to kill Archer, he is willing to kill Gil, and would have had the grail not gotten in the way.
His response to seeing the potential countless people he kills on his path to justice is that regardless of all that, it's still worth it.
You my friend, don't understand the story at all.
We were talking about F/SN Sakura and you said HER design was hotter in CCC, implying that she was present there.
Next time phrase it better so you don't appear to think they are the same character, as many ignorant Sakurafags believe.
>What the fuck dude, that's not the message at all.
Yes, it was. Literally that's Rin's role: WITHOUT HER SHIROU IS FUCKED IN UBW. That's why that Rin tells him in that anime "sure, go do your thing, after you get tired, we'll have our happy ending." Meaning, the real happiness is when he ditches that shit and settles down as a productive adult and not a chuunifaggot.
Were Shirou find actual happiness in his path, there wouldn't need of Rin, Saber or Sakura. Archer wouldn't be fucking miserable.
Rin is there to give him someone to come back to, that's her support. That's what Archer didn't have because he couldn't save Saber or didn't bond with Rin. It's a ROMANCE VN, genius.
>Shirou is perfectly willing to kill in UBW. He threatens to kill Archer, he is willing to kill Gil, and would have had the grail not gotten in the way.
He doesn't come down to it. He's big talk and nothing impressive action besides shounen power ups. He's the weakest Shirou to me. And the way the fandom tries to wank him make me disgusted.
>You my friend, don't understand the story at all.
I'm not your friend, and I understood the story perfectly.
Rin in the anime said they'll have their happy ending after he stops being a superhero. I'm not sure that's the message that Nasu wants to convey. Archer too is convinced Rin, not Shirou's resolve, is the key for his happiness to not go down that path (similarly how he drops his murderous intentions with Shirou when he notices he's on the route to save Saber in Fate).
No, you did it seems. He's not going to be happy until he stops that. He'll be satisfied, but not happy. That's even the moral in Last Episode. The most important was to be with the waifu.
>That's why that Rin tells him in that anime "sure, go do your thing, after you get tired, we'll have our happy ending."
That's not what the ending said at all you git. It had her saying that she'd travel with him for a while, but when she got tired, /she'd/ settle down. Shirou will continue on, but she'll always be there as an anchor.
Rin is extremely important to helping Shirou in that route, but the ending cemented that she understands him enough to not hold him back. She knows he has a path he wants to follow, and she's not going to hinder him. And from Nasu himself, we know he goes on to straight up surpass Archer.
>He doesn't come down to it
Excuse me, do you think Shirou expected Gilgamesh to get patched up with a few bandages from this? Shirou was out to murder Gil through and through. UBW Shirou, as part of the answer he gave Archer, is fine with killing when the circumstances absolutely need it to happen.
>UBWfags denying this
UBW true last message hints Shirou's happiness is settling down after he's done with journeying. Didn't you read the last message?
At the very core, FSN is extremely traditional Japanese values where you reach maturity when you settle down with a good girl.
>Rin in the anime said they'll have their happy ending after he stops being a superhero
That is not what she said at all, she just said they'd have a happily ever after.
The ending of the anime has Shirou in a desert, fulfilling his dream of becoming a hero.
That implies that would be after the journey, "ato de" = after, also can be translated as eventually I suppose but carries the same implication.
It's only after Shirou calls quits.
You have a weird concept of what "the same" means.
It's a different artist, different line width and pressure, different facial proportions, different shading and colouring, different outfit, different hair length, different eye design, different nose design, different measurements (despite what her info says), different head size, arm and leg length etc.
It's not the same design, it's a different design, inspired by Takeuchi's Matou Sakura (and also Rider).
Are UBWfags secondary?
Pic related is Nasu's envisioned happy ending. Shirou returns home and settles down. That's where he should be, after a period of wandering. The structure of FSN in general speak of a journey and the destination.
So from this you assume Shirou's just gonna globe trot for a bit, and when he gets bored, settle down? That's some ridiculous fanfiction.
The entire message of the epilogue that /he/ wrote was that staying in a single place wasn't enough for him, and that the world of the Clocktower, let alone Fuyuki, was too small for him.
Shirou goes on to become a hero who surpasses Archer, a good part due to the fact that he does have a waifu to anchor him, but she doesn't hold him back so much that she forces him to quit following his dream.
She's the Illya of Extra and it's true heroine
You still don't understand that, in the end, what Shirou wants is to see the true smile of his true love happy and radiant. That's his destination. The journey of heroism pales in comparison.
I know they couldn't convey this well with Rin because their love story was cute but lukewarm, but UBW does imply the same with the partying words. It's just that UBW Shirou is a bit more childish and immature than Fate and HF Shirou at least in his feelings for the heroine of choice. Nonetheless, the destination is the same.
He wrote there in the VN that he'll return home one day after he's done with the wandering (that he describes as 'aimless'). You need to brush up the VN because the motif of journey and destination is used a lot and what led to happiness is the destination = home.
>Also, Waver has become a fraud. He didn't even know the circumstances of Kayneth's death and his feelings for him. So taking his name is just wrong.
He doesn't give a fuck about Kayneth. He was forced to take the name by the current head of the family as reparations for fucking Kayneth and the entire clan over.
>after traveling to distant exotic countries...
>you will return to where you belong, one sunny day.
That is exactly what Nasu implies. He'll travel for a few years and one day, he'll go back home. Presumably to settle down with Rin and form a family? And this is positive, if you have problems to read metaphors about what "sunny day" implies (a good outcome for Shirou).
Are you seeming to forget that UBW True ends on Shirou leaving for London? It's just implying he won't stay away from his home forever.
Given posts like this though >>133083923 you're obviously fucking around. The message of UBW isn't Shirou fucking around in a desert for a little for a little while until he gets bored and goes home to be an accountant.
>Are UBWfags secondary?
Some of them, yes.
But be careful with that, once we get the HF movie(s), a massive amount of normies and Zerofag secondaries will instantly fall in love with it because muh darkness and "mature" themes, and a huge wave of secondary HFfags will flood Fate threads. Then a good deal of UBWfags and a crapton of HFfags will be secondaries and only Fatefags will be safe to shit on the other two groups.
>a huge wave of secondary HFfags will flood Fate threads
oh jesus christ
HFfags are already barely tolerable as it is, even though I'm one of them. Its going to be a living hell when they start breeding.
In the context of that ending and that message, it's talking about London, you know, the place the ending to the VN left you hanging at?
Shirou, in UBW, is fully willing to embrace the path Archer walked, and he does, but he goes farther.
You are ridiculous if you think Nasu wrote explicitly a side story where he had Shirou denying the Clocktower and its benefits to choose the hero path, only for him to give it up a year or two later.
This means that Last Episodefags and Ataraxiafags are the only patricians here.
I'm not that anon, but please have reading comprehension.
He's not going to be consumed by his journey, he'll one day decided it's enough (when he goes beyond Archer) and go back to Rin. I swear that UBW is the most misunderstood route sometimes.
>I swear that UBW is the most misunderstood route sometimes
Oh it's very misunderstood, misunderstood in the fact that people seem to think that Shirou's just gonna get bored one day and "call it". He has Rin, and he likely will have a family with her, but he's not just gonna stop following his path.
I like how you still ignored my point about how Shirou literally denied the Clocktower to go down the Hero of Justice path.
If Nasu wanted the message to be that he'll settle down some day, he wouldn't write an entirely new story about how Shirou removes himself from settling down.
He doesn't lock himself into the Tower, or the Association, he's following his dream, and Rin supports him. She hardly blinked when he said he denied joining, because she "got" him. She knew he had a mission to follow, and she wasn't gonna stifle that.
Rin will never have a family wandering in ISIS desert. She's not so irresponsible.
Go and rewatch their exchange in the end, it's fairly obvious she's just waiting for him to pass where Archer reached so he'll have enough.
Yes, Shirou will have enough or he'll become a machine like Archer which is automatic bad end.
Shirou has no future in the Clocktower, regardless of him wanting to settle or not. He either stays a mediocre apprentice forever, or reveals the true nature of his magic and is treated as a heretic.
>Rin will never have a family wandering in ISIS desert. She's not so irresponsible.
She literally says she'll follow him for a time, but settle down at some point. The key phrasing here is that /she/ will settle down. She's not asking Shirou to quit.
>Yes, Shirou will have enough or he'll become a machine like Archer which is automatic bad end.
The entirety of UBW is about how Shirou /accepts/ himself as a machine. The beauty comes in the fact that he also gets to have a bit of humanity while still following his path.
There are benefits to joining the Mages Association regardless of your circumstances, but Shirou just didn't want to be tied down and indebted.
Archer's only allegiances were to what he felt was right, not some organization with its own agenda.
So Sunny Day is the good end because Shirou reaches to a better understanding of what's chasing after if he bonds with Saber? Like happened in Fate which gave Fate Shirou a better insight and faced his guilt complex.
I always thought it was fan pandering shit, but it may be on something.
There were flaws in her path, just like how there were flaws in Archer's, and likely will be flaws in Shirou's, but their choices still weren't wrong.
Their outcomes were tragic and unfair. That's why their reunion have to happen to reward them. And endless quest for ideals in both cases was noble but they were happier with each other.
>So Sunny Day is the good end because Shirou reaches to a better understanding of what's chasing after if he bonds with Saber?
Sunny Day is the good ending because they all get to live normal and happy lives, Anon-kun, don't delve into fanfiction territory.
I just watched Sunny Day ending ufotable made and I liked it more than in the VN. I have to say this as Rin/Shirou shipper, I envied the bond Shirou has with Saber, even in UBW. I feel that as supportive and best girl Rin is, she can't always reach him in that effortless way Saber does. She tries a lot, but Saber seems to be like a part of Shirou. Something that could be romantic but not always is, but it's always essential and no one can take that place. Similar with Kiritsugu, I think.
I would have liked for Archer to stay too so he could at least be with Saber, but Shirou's loss and pure bliss when he saw her felt like a part of him stayed.
Sakura is the only one who made Shirou legitimately give up his ideas for her.
The other two will spend an eternity searching for a hopeless goal or trying to be a hero, just like Archer.
nah, you can't just play by multiverse to call everything canon, although justify the VN ending and the endings approved/wrote by Nasu in other medias, for example, Prototype will never be canon.
He groped and penetrated Sakura against her will using worms that are a part of his body and that he has complete control over. It's rape.
What do you suggest it is instead? zoophilia? worm vore? sweet lovemaking in the missionary position for the sole purpose of procreating?
Superhero route best route.
Disgusting slut should've suffered more.
But in the superhero route she dies a quick merciful death, and is spared from carrying the burden of having killed countless people for the rest of her life.
She suffers the most in HF Normal or SLH, so, by your own logic those should be the best routes.
It's a bit more than that though. Zouken knows Shirou is a magus, or at least EXPECTS him to be. Letting her go along was his idea of a spy, sadly Shirou was never taught anything useful. And I'm not sure how Zouken would see the relationship, particularly if her circumstance came to light, it might back fire on him.
Still funny that Shirou was friends with Shinji even at their house numerous times and he couldn't feel any mana.
She's his last chance at completing the grail and graduating from his decaying necroworm magic to true soul creation/'immortality', not like he's going to let it all go to waste and he's rather practical in Fate/UBW withdrawing from the fight. Time his greatest ally, transpires against him when Rin/Waver come back to dismantle it before the 6th.
You were saying?
I figured Archer just didn't want to think about her since he was the one that personally had to put her down like a dog. No memories of her are going to be happy for Archer. At best he's letting her have as many happy memories as possible before he has to put her down or was going to kill her after killing Shirou.
Not him but you're absolutely retarded if you think that Sakura and Shirou are in the same position. That's the same as saying that a person who kills because there's someone with a gun forcing him to do it is equal to someone who kills because its past/childhood somehow led him to do it. One is a psychopath/sociopath who always had a choice and the other is someone who simply don't have a choice, but rather the illusion of one.
"Let's go home, Sakura. Cut your ties with him."
Best part of the VN? Best part of the VN.
>Zouken knows Shirou is a magus, or at least EXPECTS him to be.
He knows or atleast knew that Shirou's a magus since he sent Sakura as a spy
But than again he basicaly forgot that Shirou exists sometime before F/SN
>She's his last chance at completing the grail and graduating from his decaying necroworm magic to true soul creation/'immortality',
If I'm not mistaken than the "plan" was/is for Sakura's child to win him the grail
>Time his greatest ally
If you ignore soul-rotting yes.
You have to remember that Zouken isn't even aware of his dementia
She's not sane. She wants familial love and affection like she had before Fate/Zero ended but it also fuels her abandonment issues so she's barely one step from yandere at all times with the fact that she wouldn't get away with it stopping her. By the time knowledge of what the grail really is hits she probably figured out why her father didn't take the win so I'm sure that helped.
>If I'm not mistaken than the "plan" was/is for Sakura's child to win him the grail
I guess if Zouken didn't go mad, his plan to restore the Matou family's magical capacity as Magi would have succeeded, using Sakura as a mother for a next gen Matou.
Also, its kind of strange how an old man has the capacity to continuously summon magical worms for more than 10 years but can't be asked to become a master.
Friendly reminder that Zouken did nothing wrong.
There was a line in CCC that implied Archer does remember her fondly. She is even one of his "people he has trouble dealing with" in his character profile, along with Rin and Ilya.
And Archer mysteriously doesn't get onscreen time with Taiga or Sakura, ever. Why do you think that is?
>no Archer/Sakura interaction whatsoever
Yes, I'm fucking mad.
No, because they wouldn't be "Matou" anymore. It would be Sakura starting things from scratch with her as the eventual matriach. It would be the only way to preserve her stellar genes without poisoning them with the Makiri's foundation, which isn't suited to the land of Japan. It was only because Sakura has such rich blood and talent that she didn't die from his experiments.
He all but said in HF that Sakura was a prototype towards his plans all along. He wasted her talent, almost crippled her body, and has been literally destroying any remnant of hope of rebuilding since he got to Japan.
Even if he was sane, he would understand his lineage is finished and would just take an apprentice to rebuild from the ground up. There was no saving his bloodline from dying out in the magecraft sense in the first place other than not leaving his country.
Let's not argue semantics here, the jist of it is Zouken fucked up and has been fucking up for centuries, like the Einzberns.
Now let us talk about what life would have been like if Tokiomi was actually intelligent and negotiated peace with the Edelfelts and Luvia got a Sakura as an imouto.
Would Rin's life be heaven or hell? How many ohohohos would she hear daily? Or would we have threesome incest?
I'm not a fan of Sakura a character, but I can't deny that no one beats her when it comes to looks.
No worse than a guy you know is some festering corpse in a dying family who doesn't even follow the laws of magecraft by his own admission in Zero. The choices are shit, more shit, and even more shit because hey, he lacked family planning.
Either way, he still had the Edelfelts as an option, which not only preserves her genes, but since they are blood related to her, rejection doesn't occur in adapting their magecraft.
Man, the more you look at mage society, the more you see it really needs a revision, or perhaps some family planning classes. Girl was hosed just for having strong genes.
Ironically, Rin and Sakura disprove the mentality that two siblings would fight over the right to succession. If they care about each other in the worst of circumstances, then it's all gravy.
>as soon as he knew
They were probably close friends who talked about their secret basements and what they did in them.
Kirei might probably have learned of the idea of making a secret dungeon from Zouken.
There's that scene where Gilgamesh visits the Matou house in F/SN (where anons here say he just bullies Sakura by telling her to kill herself). He went close to the Matou household, making his presence known.
If Zouken was unaware of his presence over the years of raising Sakura and Shinji, I doubt he'd need to go as far as to what he did in HF.
He'd already steamroll everything in the 5th Holy Grail war, is what I mean, without Gil's presence.
>Either way, he still had the Edelfelts as an option, which not only preserves her genes, but since they are blood related to her, rejection doesn't occur in adapting their magecraft.
The Edelfelts aren't an option though.
They already have an heir
Sakura has been getting pretty bitching artwork for the past 3 or 4 years now. Times have changed since the old days, she is pretty freaking popular.
The fact that picture you posted from looks so nice is because Koyama is a hardcore Sakura fan. I recognize BB and Blossom as different characters from Sakura, but CCC bros, you are just going to have to accept it's partly the passion of Sakura fans that you have such good art. I don't even mean that to offend, it's the truth.
I pay my respects but my rather low opinion on regular Sakura still stands.
I have the most gripes with Saber anyway
Tokiomi actually mentions them as an option in a side story game. It's one of those things Nasu puts in joke stories offhandedly. It was in the Hanafuda game parody for Zero. I had thought it was odd he couldn't find a home for a child with her talent after three years anyway.
Plus, wasn't there some other snippet from Urobuchi at a French con that said he thought Sakura, a four year old, would defeat Zouken if he turned out to be the heretic he thought he was? Doesn't give the man much credibility either way.
Did the Sakura servant even got released in F/GO? I remember people were skeptical because it was the same artist who did Boudica.