>>133100056 Realistically, creating such strong magnetic field would attract Ferric particle with enough force to kill Misaka, her being the Point Charge. She would be dead, bringing Accelerator with her.
>>133099753 Simply kill him with something actually supernatural.
Actual teleportation, opposed to Index teleportation which is physical movement through space. Actual telepathy or telekinesis. Or actual magic, like a necromantic spell from D&D that instantly slays a target.
>>133100029 In order to reach an amount of force that would harm or stop Saitama via reflection he would have to reflect enough energy that the area around himself wouldn't be survivable to Accel. Or another way to put it is if Accel reflects enough force to destroy half of the universe back upon itself then there's enough force to destroy the whole universe being shoved about and Accel cannot survive the death of the universe. He can't even survive the death of the planet.
>>133101811 The thing about mathematical constructs and nature is that in nature you can't have magnetic fields and electric fields without direction. Scalars, like magnitudes, in nature don't exist on their own.
>>133102382 Physicist here, we have the same problem, but I think it's because our advisor turns off women from entering our department with her feminist "You're degrading yourself if you dress up nicely" and "If you dress up pretty you're just using your looks to get ahead" rants in independent study research labs.
>>133102720 >genki tries to pull strings to get togura into heaven >nahhh fuck that shit imma go the ultra masochist route and experience 10,000 hells which last 100 years each and at the end your soul is destroyed instead of reincarnated >rest in peace you bamf
It mainly relies on what is considered a "vector" to him.
For example, things like oxygen deprivation and such wouldn't work because he can vector out of there and into a place with oxygen, barriers wouldn't work because force vectors would destroy them. You could assume you can freeze him to death as cold is a lack of energy rather than an attack directly, however assuming molecules have miniature vectors that result in energy thus resulting in heat, he could controls those and have perfect temperature at all times.
Poison and gas was already stated to not work in universe, plus with the time extension and angel mode waiting for the battery to die on his cripple collar wouldn't work.
Since the 2 things that could get past his vector is the product of plot armor I'd say its impossible given how his vectors work to do it realistically.
The one way in which I could see it as a possibility is psychological mind control in which you overwrite the meaning of vectors in his brain or otherwise tamper with his ability to be an esper, but that's not really feasible given his personality.
>>133102985 Ikr? And everybody called me a retard at that thread. >Implying accelerator is a coil >Implying that Misaka's running speed is enough to induce induction on a coil, let alone a non-solenoid human being >Misaka as a point charge would not make sense if she's moving as it's a time varying Field.
>>133102963 Also depends on what he can actually do with a vector. Not an LNfag. Can he only redirect vectors, or can he multiply them as well? Extreme cold, or locking him in a room to starve/suffocate would work if he can't produce powerful vectors by multiplying those from his own movements.
>>133102963 Actually Accelerator's ability is not as great as it's supposed to be. Assuming his ability is to control vector, then he should not be able to control temperature at all, because, assuming atoms vibrate, and cold is the lack of said vibrations, he should die in a cold environment as there's simply no Magnitude in which he could generate heat from. Burning him should theoretically work, because no matter how good he is at controlling vector, he has no way to mitigate those vibrations away from his body, also heat is transferred via radiation, which has no direction at all. Depriving him of food should also work, as he simply cannot generate his own nutrient, ignoring the bullshit non-canon direct energy conversion. And there's nuclear radiation, which his shield and power should have no power over. Atomic radiation is the transfer of charged particle that causes whatever contacts it to become irradiated. As demonstrated that his shield deflects everything by simply reversing it's direction, then he should have no power to deflect radiation, as nuclear radiation is simply redistribution of elementary particles. There's a lot of other things that Accelerator shouldn't be impervious to, but it could be chalked up to Kamachi's lack of understanding in Physics.
For retards who don't know what vectors or scalars are, before you post dumb shit. A vector is a physical quantity with magnitude and direction e.g. electric current or velocity. A scalar is a physical property with also magnitude but hasn't got direction e.g. distance and pressure.
>>133103555 >radiation stated it wouldn't work, probably due to lack of physics knowledge but still stated. Its important to note that physics aren't necessarily correct to espers since they are reality warpers, its their idea of physics that makes what they do possible, so things like heat and cold can be manipulated and radiation fails to work. also >cold is lack of said vibrations no. cold is having less vibrations not the lack of, we're not talking absolute 0 here. >>133103263 to my knowledge (and due to his feats) he can multiply them as well and do whatever the fuck he damn well pleases with them despite energy conservation rules.
also food doesn't work because he can just vector into a grocery store and eat food.
>>133103796 My point stands, Accel could not survive freezing temperature. Physics is closely tied here, because in order for his power to work (not auto shield) and manipulated, Accel actually have to calculate it all in his head. He cannot create energy from nothingness, as he made the effort to borrow earth's rotational momentumn to hit Aleister's tower.
>>133103931 He'd not from a manga. He's from an LN. And that means retarded power levels. His power is basically no one can attack him, without him turning it back on them. and this applies to mundane things like light and gravity. He has to give gravity permission to keep him on the ground. Yes, it's that retarded.
>>133104014 >he cannot create energy from nothingness according to his feats he can. either that or he can just steal energy from the earth to have a very large store of energy for whatever he wants. >calculate it all in his head and his giant autocalculating angel wings of bullshit combined with a supercomputer. and this is ignoring the fact he can create place through calculations in his head using wind. >cannot survive freezing temperatures the entire idea of freezing temperatures stopping him is iffy, it revolves around being able to flash freeze him which is only possible by using things which have a vector, which can thus be manipulated. and this is still assuming he can't generate heat. which given his abilities I highly doubt.
>>133103985 We argue about it because Accel's power is closely tied with physics requiring him to calculate all the vectors in his head. If his ability is being an outright rality wrapping, then this kind of discussion would never exist. See; powerlevel discussions about Beatrice.
>>133104123 but the entire premise of the power is that they believe they can manipulate a certain portion of physics and thus they can. therefore if their ability is strong enough they manipulate things even if it doesn't have a base in reality but only in their head. for example accelerator can manipulate radiation and magic, these don't typically have vectors in reality.
>>133104116 >the entire idea of freezing temperatures stopping him is iffy, it revolves around being able to flash freeze him which is only possible by using things which have a vector, which can thus be manipulated. >and this is still assuming he can't generate heat. which given his abilities I highly doubt. Heat is a vector. He can just accelerate the particles around him until the temperature is acceptable for continued life.
>>133104116 Then why don't he analyze all the vectors in Alesiter's tower and determine the appropriate amount to disrupt it's constituency and procure those required amount? Flash freezing would not be affected by his power as it's akin to removing the magnitude from the atoms, without affecting their vector, if it's how the power works anyway.
>>133104014 >He cannot create energy from nothingness Angel mode says hi. Esper powers are just magic that work under different rules. He can even make up vectors in angel mode, which he did when he vectored magic during WW3.
>>133104221 >why didn't he just.. because its a LN plot, if it made sense accelerators would have stomped everyone before the story started. >flash freezing works by too bad thats not realistically possible, hence why I didn't bother. the closest things we have involve things which have vectors.
>>133104304 >a fantasy story has a retarded premise but its still fun to debate, and if you're going to debate it do it on what the premise is based on and not your fan canon. >>133104339 the posed question was how do we kill him realistically. so I'm assuming its asking if we can feasibly kill him with the tech we have today, in which I responded no and am defending that position.
>>133104403 yes but the idea made literally no sense whatsoever considering there was no need to "reverse vectors" when you can just reflect them away. its a simple fix and it made no sense to apply reversal calculations in the first place.
>>133099753 If you think Accelerator's hard to kill, you 1) Haven't read enough fictional works 2) Take no-limits-fallacy type arguments seriously or 3) Are just plain out stupid. That being said, vampire hunter D fucks Accelerator's face in.
>>133104444 Biology is useful for certain fields, typically involving the medical field or animals. Not terribly useful overall, but its not art, closer to english in that you only do it because you're planning on getting a doctorates in something else.
>>133104444 This. Bioshit and Bioengineers ar fucking waste of space and should be sent to a camp to be exterminated. Before you say anything about >muh meds, >muh biological discovery, bioshit doesn't meddle in those subject, they're to busy circlejerking eachother.
>>133104479 it works the same reason touma could beat accelerator. because plot demanded it happened.
either way, accelerator won in the end anyways and the technique only worked with what force you could punch with so it'd take awhile to kill him. and since now he has angel mode it wouldn't work at all.
>>133103892 >>133103977 >pressure is force applied to an Area. That proves what I just said. Pressure is a force per unit area. It's a scalar quantity. I'm talking about pressure, not "pressure force" on something (that's definitely a vector, NASA said so themselves). Pressure inside a has from all sides is equal, thus no direction which makes it scalar. This used to be a debatable topic.
>>133102239 Even then he's still in excess of planetary destruction levels of force (while explicitly not actually trying that hard). The reflected force is easily enough to destroy Earth on it's own and Accel suddenly must survive without a planet or the matter in it. (he cannot.)
>>133102274 Accel's power is easily bypassed and she's a glass cannon like most espers in the To Aru universe once you actually hit them because they are still fleshy human beings. You find a method that will bypass the vectors, figure out the Kihara exploit, make the environment impossible for him to survive in, overload his maximum amount of calculations, simply alter the environment around him instead (eg instead of teleporting him you teleport the planet except for him), weaponize anything that bypasses the filter in a way that it does not act according to normal physics (Kakine did this. Even Naruto characters can do this via genjutsu) or simply putting him in a tunnel. He's afraid to go into tunnels because it might block the signal. The only difficulties in beating accel with proper resources to enact a plan are plot armour related.
>>133105466 >*force applied per unit area in a direction that's perpendicular to the area of the surface. Cool. Now express it mathematically and remember that there is a difference between F and |F|. Not to mention that if your force isn't applied precisely perpendicularly to the area the easiest way to express your pressure is as vector.
>>133104014 Anon, the only way for cold to kill him if he's instantly flash-frozen. Or thrown into a perfect vacuum, where there aren't any particles to manipulate. Otherwise, he can just move his hand, causing the air to move and using that to further accelerate the movement of the particles until he can maintain a perfectly stable temperature on the surface of his body.
>>133105489 In this case, yes. Espers are not actually using physics, just specialized reality warping vaguely based on it, meaning that it doesn't matter whether a Misaka is theoretically capable of pulling something off that would ignore Accel's ability or not, because if she doesn't believe it's possible or he believes it wouldn't affect him anyway, then that's just how it is.
>>133104446 It makes perfect sense . you just didn't bother to rmember what you read in the book. >>133104479 What happened was the human mind is predictable (and he did kinda train the guy's very thought processes) so whenever Accel tried to alter the settings on the reflection in respeonse the normal guy just altered the way he punched so that the end result is still accelerator hitting himself. Later on a ninja dude heard of the trick and almost replicated it properly but didn't bother trying a second time due to the risk from not getting it exactly right.
>>133099753 The best you could do is probably to try to starve him to death by enacting a scorched earth policy and destroying all possible food sources around him, but he'd probably just whip out one of those plasma tornadoes and threatened to end all life on Earth if someone didn't deliver him a pizza.
>>133102274 Saitama doesn't hit humans with killing intent, he always pulls his punches or stops short to spook them. So he swings at Accelerator full strength and stops short, accelerator tries to reverse the vector and gibs.
>>133108162 Either everything in a certain radius around them is utterly fucked, weird science shit happens [which likely means everything is fucked], or! Nothing happens because they canceled each other out. This causes them to team up in order to find out what the fuck is going on.
I don't think I need to explain what would be inflicted upon those responsible, and that's just if they both have their respective Last Orders.
You beat him using talk no jutsu and psychological exploitation.
Accelerator is mentally and emotionally unstable. You can't beat him in raw power, but you can still convince or fool him into working for you. Just like how he was tricked into participating in the Level 6 project, and how he subconsciously let himself lose when fighting Touma. And let's not forget the time he got shot while trying to save LO. He lost then, didn't he? All it required was the clever use of a hostage.
>>133105642 Is that even possible? unless we are talking about a curse or something like that he can manipulate his own vectors so he should be able to maintain his body temperature by moving his own atoms
>>133111926 Saying that Accelerator's field would cause your come to shoot back into your dick entirely hinges on the capability to shove said dick into him just to start with. If for some reason you can fuck him but not come inside due to the come shoot back inside your dick, this assumes your dick has not been obliterated.
Thus our hypothetical dick is not wrecked.
Like I said, this all depends on taking place after he has been brain damaged, and must use the choker and Misaka Network to compute his powers.
>>133111542 >control the wind Only within his area of effect. Which id directly around him. If there isn't any oxygen around him, he can't bring any more in. He can't create a vaccum in a vaccum either.
>>133115189 He doesn't need to. Explosions don't disintegrate air, even without breathable air around he just needs to put the particles in the air in motion to vent the area We have seen him talk while walking in molten lava, burning the air is not enough to suffocate him
>>133115383 >explosions don't disintegrate air No, they push it away. That's what explosions are. They create a pocket of vacuum. A constant explosion centered on him wouldn't allow him any air to manipulate or breathe, especially as he vectors it with himself as the epicenter.
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