>finally get down the rules of mahjong and start playing some.
>it's hard enough to form my own hand let alone trying to read the tiles of three other players.
>just pray it's not the winning tile everytime i deal one.
Is it possible to be consistently good at this game without lesbian powers or Akagi's mind reading bullshit? The variance seems pretty insane.
It's not super hard.
You should be able to identify from your opening hand what yaku you are aiming for. Possibilites for Honors, Tanyao, Flushes, and Pinfu should be apparent within the first several draws at the latest.
Defensive play isn't difficult either. If a player calls riichi ahead of you or you expect a player is in tenpai, all you need to do to play defensively is to discard anything in their discard pool and you'll be safe due to furiten. If doing so would compromise the value of your hand, you have to make a judgement call on whether to risk it or bail based on how much your hand is potentially worth vs how much you think their hand is worth. Other factors like whether you're dealer or rounds remaining in the game will obviously be considerations too.
Higher level defensive play involves learning to read suji and shit but honestly, just knowing what you can and cannot discard to a player in tenpai gets you 50% of the way there if not more. Good judgement will get you another 45%.
Forming your own hand is nothing difficult
Memorize some simple hands and work with what you get.
You cannot read into people's hands like Akagi but you can make estimated guesses of which suit someone may be going for based off their pond. That just comes wih time.
Look up betaori/urasuji which may help you.
We have this same thread every single time. If you want to have a Akagi/Saki/Mahjong shitposting thread, why not just do so in another way than copy someone else's post?
>play mahjong with some schmucks at my house
>riichi relatively early into the round, single wait, begins to get some han though doras
>doras keep coming and coming
>eventually get fucking Dora 12
>holy shit i can do this
>tile i need eventually flows out of the fucking faggot in front of me
>call ron in pure bliss
>guy next to me heads bump
I fucking hate this game.
>head bumping someone's Dora 12 hand
Full points if the guy didn't even reach mangan.
Yes, first and most important: the tile size.
The very basic game rules are the same (13 tiles, draw a tile or call a tile, then discard a tile, and try to finish your hand), but the rules are different.
>Breaking your hand to deal a safe tile.
That does not completely prevent you into dealing into someone or just generally getting fucked by tsumo
>Tricking your opponents with the tiles you deal.
Nobody ever does that, stop watching animus
>Slowplaying is shit anyway.
Not being able to maximize your point gains in a game about gaining points is kinda gay if you ask me
You may be onto something. I was reading a 60's spiderman comic and old lady's were talking about their mahjong tourny in a random panel. I guess all the old mahjong ladies died off.
Hm guess I remembered wrong that there was a few more with mahjong.
What's the best way to learn anyways? Is there a more fun way than just reading a huge blog of text, like an online game that teaches you?
The triad subs for Akagi has a few helpers for particular terminology. FKMTkrazy made a very good tutorial for Kaiji Part 3 where they explain the basics.
But really, Mahjong is way less complicated than it appears. The great wall is mostly learning the yakus, but from there it's largely enough to enjoy most mahjong mangas. Then, you can just play the game to end up learning about various strategies and more advanced concepts.
>Iipeikou right at the start.
What do I deal? The 9 Man, the 4 Pin or the Xia?
He's wary of Ten's hand which was waiting on 1 and 4-pin. By letting the other guy pon on the 2 pin, the 4-pin overflowed, but Ten couldn't call on it since he was hoping for direct hits against him. That allowed Akagi to safely reach tenpai and deal 1-pin right after.
Dealt the 4 Pin, then the Xia and some other tiles that I kept drawing. I can declare a Riichi and be on a closed wait for a 2 Sou, but the problem is that my Kamicha just discarded that exact tile, so there are only three 2 Sou tiles left.
Forget riichi, you're already far in the lead. Keep your tenpai, but if someone else calls riichi, play defensively. Right now you want to defend your lead for the next two rounds.
The Riichi worked out in the end! Also, looking at my pond of discarded tiles, I could have gotten a Chiitoi and won with a Tsumo.
Thanks Anon, this is the kind of insight that I need. Everytime I get into tenpai I declare Riichi like an idiot. It works against the AI but if I ever play for real I have a feeling I'll get demolished.
>Lose dealer position after 1.5 wins
>Fail to finish an open tanyao
>Ruin the tanyao to desperately scramble to get into tenpai before round is ever
>Get a ron on the very last discard
I....I....what? I didn't think I had any yakus in my pathetically shitty hand.
I wasn't even aiming for Smith. He just kept dealing into my stupid hands.
Take this earlier hand for instance. I was so excited at the thought of having a first-turn riichi that I just declared riichi without a second thought, and only discarded the 8-pin instead of the 4-pin thinking that it'd be cool to win with a red 5-pin.
I spent most of that hand just fretting and worrying that somebody was going to beat my shit in because my 5-pin wait became too obvious until Smith just gave me the red 5-pin. I think I used up most of my luck on that game with hands like this one and the haitei. I'm probably going to take Smith's place next round if we get another game going.
I don't even know what that first line above the tanyao line is about.
4p was a mistake. Rather than locking yourself into iipeikou, the double south is worth almost as much while also being much faster. When you've got a lead like that, speed is far more important than value.
Well that explains why there wasn't a riichi line.
It's been a few years. I don't remember any hands from what I watched back when I first started learning. I am due for a rewatch.
I prefer closed hands in the endgame but that was too good to pass up
>open kan on an honor tile that's worth zero yaku
>three open groups for a hand not even worth mangan
>dealing the dora when it's the middle of the game, it could fit into your hand, and there are no others on the table
You deserved to lose.
>discarding dora tiles
I could've been fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiirrrrrrrrrrrrrrst.
>implying somebody would've given me my 58-man wait
>Akagi shenanigans in full speed
>HERO translations picked up again
>Koizumi translations picked up again
We're in the golden age of mahjong manga here.
>mfw just came back from reading The legend of Koizumi
What the fuck /a/?
my brain wasnt ready for that.
>kans a 9pin on the first discard of the round
>playing solid simple mahjong
>guy next to me keeps avoiding most of my stuff and never gives me anything
>decide to play weird hands so I'm not as easy to read
>guy starts discarding things that make no sense.
>we're both now playing silly mahjong just because one of us decided to change things
I fucking love mahjong.
>mfw winning a game by getting a tsumo from a riichi'd closed 2sou wait that led to 2 uradora and then quickly going to betaori till the end
I'm on a roll today.
Not counting that honitsu that put me in last place from the start.
Should've discarded the 5-man but I wanted to keep the potential of swapping it out with for a red 5-man alive. Mistake probably cost me my comeback.
I riichi'd when I shouldn't have and didn't have much time to choose something that wouldn't leave me in furiten somehow.
But I guess I ended up making the right choice after all.
>South declares a closed kan
>West calls a kan
>Deals into double ron for me and dealer
It's like riichi is code for "reveal more doras".
And it didn't work. I was trying to scare people off which didn't really work apparently.
I've been in 2nd place all goddamn night.
>tfw playing a long match late at night to relax before bed
>some faggot keeps discarding into the dealer's hand
>finally get into the sound round
>it happens all over again
>a quick game before bed that should've taken 30 minutes ends up taking 90
>Also, I wasn't expecting anyone to actually deal a 5 there.
I was personally waiting on your red 5-sou so I could get an extra yaku for my cheap open tanyao san-shoku-dou-jun which was 2 yaku by itself. I still have zero understanding of scoring but I think that if he dealt a red 5, the two extra doras from the kans would've gotten my hand into mangan territory.
It's pretty amusing how it happened too. The 5-sou he drew from the kan was the one he immediately discarded into the double ron. The extra dora was too good to pass up for him I guess.
I had a san-shoku-dou-jun and the second kan's dora reveal wasn't on the screenshot.
Wouldn't the extra red yaku get me 5 han total, thus becoming a mangan?
I don't think I've ever gotten into the 70K point range before, at least not without landing a yakuman
I've steamrolled scrubs before (if you get on a long tsumo roll your score will skyrocket without knocking anyone out), but what I meant was all day there have been people taking cheap stand alone tanyao. Almost every hand that match was a mangan or higher.
>long tsumo rolls
Those are the best. Especially when someone calls on a tile and causes it.
Also, the most I've seen before was one guy with +100k points after he quietly back to back tsumo'd 24k and 32k point hands. That was also the first time I'd seen second place end up in the negatives.
You can keep dealing safe tiles, which is the same as folding.
You actually can pretend that you're in open tenpai fairly easily, not that that does you any good.
Going slow is silly.
You can shit out those low value hands quickly. though.
>it's hard enough to form my own hand let alone trying to read the tiles of three other players.
Tile reads are only somewhat important against open hands, and even then it doesn't compare to Suji. Mahjong isn't a psychological game like poker, the most important thing is to chose when to play offensively and when to play defensively. Here is a reall good guide on what to do when playing against a riichi.
because all four triples must be made by yourself. In other words, if you do ron for the last triple tile, it would be トイトイ＋三暗刻. If you wanted 四暗刻, then you would have to ツモ or do ron for the last pair tile
>because all four triples must be made by yourself. In other words, if you do ロン for the last triple tile, it would be トイトイ＋三暗刻. If you wanted 四暗刻, then you would have to ツモ or do ロン for the last pair tile
there's the dead wall to consider though, which is 14 unusable tiles. but yeah, someone might have dealt it in if they didn't notice the lack of terminals in the player's pool.
>but yeah, someone might have dealt it in if they didn't notice the lack of terminals in the player's pool.
Let's be honest here, how many times are you going to look at an honourless pool and think "This bastard has a kokushi musou"?
>Choice between 2 closed waits
>Literally feel the flow being ripped from me
I even passed up a win on the last hand that would have killed the 100 points guy, but at least I came in second.
My first thought was "industrial grade bullshit," but I was still laughing because it was the kind of thing that everyone wants to do. You shouldn't lose your motivation over something that funny.
>without lesbian powers or Akagi's mind reading bullshit?
You need the luck of a destined world leader.
100 points in South 3 is a bit hard to come back from, especially when your hand looks like this
Anyone have actually won with Tenhou yakuman?
Also, what's so great about Rinshan?
Just practise. Reading others' discards (and fast at that) comes naturally. If you play on tenhou, you can also check replays to see how really good players play.
Rinshan requires you to be at tenpai and kan one suit in hope that you get the winning tile off the dead wall. It is the only way that you can obtain a playable tile off it, giving it the moniker "picking up the flower on top of the hill". Saki is considered a demon because of it.
>Anyone have actually won with Tenhou yakuman?
I've never seen this happen. But once I got a kazoe yakuman with 15 han.
>Also, what's so great about Rinshan?
Additional han + dora + uradora if you declared riichi. Pic related.
Ah, good question. I have no idea. I've been playing mahjong for a few years, but mostly online, so I don't usually need to count things.
In this pic >>133124330 the second dora is there and the only difference is that the hand is closed, so maybe that has something to do with dora on rinshan tsumo.
Is it worth trying to memorize all the yaku and yakuman if you're a beginner? Or just the common ones?
Also does this yakuza stuff in Ten have any basis in reality?
>Koizumi picked up again
Hell yeah nigga, have a best girl while I catch up.
My memory is fuzzy but the main opponents were yakuza (not really, but a similar kind of criminal organization) that controlled a lot of the mahjong parlors and good rep players. The whole premise of the huge final battle was to decide how rep players got divided between East and West Japan gangs.
That dual riichi hell on the first hand of the dealer turn had me sweating bullets while I was trying to keep my tenpai. I was confused when I couldn't ron on an earlier tile, but while wading through furitens, I finally stumbled upon a tsumo. Nerve-rackingly good game.
hand completion is the simplest thing in the world
defense is more difficult
reading discards is the most valuable skill. get good at it.
most points i get is by making other (skiiled) players discard what i want. ie I MAKE THEM GIVE ME MY TILE
like 40% or so of that is traps built on conventional defense too.
chinese style literally makes me sick
everyone just goes for high scoring hands, the scoring cut off as such is higher.
i have literally never dealt in once to a player coming from chinese style.
Ah there we go.
Mr. Zen's Symmetrical Chinrotou Suukantsu
That's it then, I'll learn this shit and watch Saki afterwards. I usually get bored while rewatching chinese cartoons so I guess that learning beforehand would make me enjoy the anime more than watching it first.
Are the main rules actually different between chinese and japanese mahjong? It's the same tile set, it's mostly the same yakus, only difference I could think of would be stuff like house rules, lack of riichi rules, and scoring values.
>playing Chinese mahjong where it is entirely based on luck and has 80+ combinations where most of them will never come out
>not playing riichi mahjong master race where it is based on strategy and has the element of thrill when someone does riichi or when you have a lot of doras
Saki is the glob of frosting and fondant on top of the cake that only fat people and anorexics love (because only fat people can stomach fondant and anorexics won't stop talking about how the fondant is prettier than they are).
Akagi is the glorious sponge cake and buttercream layers under the sugary shit. You eat that part of the cake first and then if you want diabetes, you eat the top layers afterwards.
What about this hand? What's going on here?
Son of a bitch!
Motherfucking miracle rush.
Nice game, m8s.
I wouldn't recommend opening your hands for a Kan in most situations btw. Having a closed hand is usually worth MUCH more than what an open kan gives over a closed triplet.
>give up on playing mahjong seriously, because the luck factor is too big
>suddenly start winning
I thought Mahjong was the game where you match the tiles with equal patterns and uncover a picture of a cute cat.
I didn't quit, I just stopped being such a triyhard.
>reading guides, strategies, mahjong riddles etc. all day
>lose anyway because I'm east when big hands are tsumoed
I was mad as fuck.
Situation improved a lot when I just stopped giving a fuck and played however I wanted.
That's mahjong solitaire. In other words "I thought Poker was the game where you pile cards alternating colors to make a million decks bounce across the screen".
You need one duplicate to be the fourteenth tile. Most often it's in the hand before winning. If you have 13 different tiles and no pair, it's a 13-sided wait.
And how many times have you tsumo'd a big hand when somebody else was dealer? These things happen a lot. If you think that's the only reason you lost, you either haven't played enough or you're not good enough.
If you end up last place, even though you haen't dealt in then it's just bad luck, plain and simple.
Also that's been in the past. I've embraced the luck based nature of the game and am winning much more often as a result. Currently on a 3 game winstreak.
>If you end up last place, even though you haen't dealt in then it's just bad luck, plain and simple.
That's not true. You may have been folding hands you should've pushed, or maybe your tile efficiency sucks. If you blame the flow for all your losses, you'll never improve.
It could also be overdefensiveness. And there are butterly effecting mistakes too. For example, you discard the wrong tile, which then gets called, which then makes you miss drawing a key tile, costing you a good hand.
You have to believe in the flow anon.
When you're playing short games on Tenhou the effect of variance in draws and stuff is much higher. Of course if he improves his play he'll see a better success rate, but it can definitely demoralizing to lose a set because of bad draws.
Either way, I haven't been winning games when I still was a tryhard and treated each game like a live or death thing.
Now that I approach them casually I win much more frequently.
And now I do.
>2nd place streak resumes thanks to endless tsumo rolls and slightly more defensive play
I can't tell if the tsumo roller is just lucky or somehow knows how to go into tenpai faster than everyone else.
>Get into tenpai for a chitoitsu with 5 aka dora waiting on a 5 sou
>Stay silent to ensure maximum likelihood of the 5 coming out
>Opponent tsumos a riichi chitoitsu waiting for the same tile
>got last place 3 times in a row
Time to read up on tile efficiency.
It's important to pick your waits carefully, especially with chiitoitsu. Middle tiles are more likely to be used up in other people's hands, so you're less likely to win with them.
I only see three akadora there anon.
I do love going for chiitiotsu, even though I know I probably shouldn't. I was really glad I picked that up, though I was kinda hoping someone would drop the aka dora.
even a monkey can draw manga is a fucking masterpiece
Why is the game telling me I'm in furiten? Is it because of the 3-sou in the discard pool? I didn't think it'd count as furiten because drawing the 3-sou or 6-sou wouldn't have let me win.
>only thinking of mahjong with the numbers you pull out of your ass
Fucking disgusting. Get these casuals out of here.
>build up a great hand
>get excited and riichi immediately without thinking
>look at wall
>tfw only 3 draws left
>I riichi on retarded hell-waits so I can feel like a character from a mahjong manga.
Yep. I don't even care about winning anymore, just try to gather a cool hand once in a while to surprise everyone.
FKMT made me retarded.
>intentionally lower the value of my hand so I can pick an unorthodox wait and surprise my opponent
>remember i'm 30 000 points behind 1st
This is a retarded question, but why exactly am I in furiten here? I was in tenpai when the toimen discarded 1-sou but I couldn't declare ron off of it.
You're right, I thought I still had chanta. It's time to take a break.
>mfw doubles just keep coming in my hand
This is my biggest problem. They always come to me and I feel like I should keep them, but result is always bad.
Read a tile efficiency guide for fuck's sake.
All the ones I've looked at online specifically warn beginners about keeping too many pairs in their hand rather than taking them apart.
>we'll never have a full Koizumi anime
What is this?
God damn it. If only I wasn't such a flow ignoring retard
>>Not being able to maximize your point gains in a game about gaining points is kinda gay if you ask me
Riichi mahjong is not a game about gaining points yourself.
It's about trying to make the other guy gain as little as possible.
>no matter how unlucky you are, at least you will never accidentally riichi with your winning tile.
I personally learnt the yaku with this website, it's really clearly explained :
I basically opened this in an other tab and tried to do the hands listed while playing the flash game.
Has anyone been playing Minefield Mahjong? I got back into it after my 5th reread of Kaiji's Mahjong arc. It's nice because it's really hard to get together enough people for a full game in real life. There's that flash version too, which isn't half bad.
>why exactly am I in furiten here? I was in tenpai when the toimen discarded 1-sou but I couldn't declare ron off of it
What the fuck am I gambling?
>tfw going into betaori and breaking up your isshanten hand when it's obvious your shimocha is in tenpai
>he changes his wait into ryanmen and baits you into dealing into his sanbaiman
You know what I mean?
>tfw on top
>not even a direct hit sanbaiman will take me away from first
>get cocky and stop using betaori
>accidentally deal into a counted yakuman
You have three options:
1. Become a cute lesbian and play the game with other cute lesbians
2. Gamble with your life at stake
3. Become a high ranking politician or someone with a similiar position and gamble to settle international affairs
If you do one of these you are considered to have "Yaku" and are eligible to win mahjong games.
There are yaku that are valid when you have so many calls, but your hand had none.
Looking at your hand, you could have gone for yakuhai (triplet of any of the honors) or tanyao (no honors or terminals).
>Not having a reaction image folder
Should have used a cloud, anon.
The guy you were first replying to was saying that you should have saved pictures from here rather than google. You probably misread his "here." No one advocates Google images.
He asked you why aren't you getting reaction images from here, as in 4chan, where images you save aren't saved with their original filename.
You're hopeless not because you download images from google, because you are inherently a 9gag/tumblr/reddit user so you are too stupid to even properly read posts let alone lurk here long enough to have a folder designated for images from here.
So this is what being Washizu feels like
See? I told you guys mahjong general is bad (not to mention not-/a/ related).
Today you got newfags, tomorrow tripfag, next week blogging.
This is the fate you choose, you are killing mahjong discussion on /a/ with your general.
General are cancer, stop being cancer enabler.
>Koizumi translations picked up again
You could go bitch in any of the 10s of worse threads right now on /a/, but you choose the one where one newfags shows up and gets told to fuck off by 3 people. Are you bithcing about anything in the Jojo threads? The One Piece threads? The MonMusu threads? Any of the other far worse threads right now? I doubt it. You chose the one thread where someone is actually told to fuck off to complain about.
Those general is already in terminal stage, it can only be cure by euthanizing it, just like how moot told K-On general to fuck off long time ago.
I am bitching now, to prevent this fanbase to become a general, mark my word that we'll have unending chain thread after this thread.
You lot should fuck off to >>/jp/
Post your tits that'll make the thread have even more exposure you whore.
>oh i'll just have a quick east-only game before bed
>east 3rd round
>we're on our 6th honba
/a/'s problem is not threads like these where people are actually on topic and generally aren't cancerous
mahjong threads in general do not happen every single day because it just doesn't happen
what's killing /a/ is crossboarders, people from other sites(reddit, tumblr, and what not) who shit threads up with their cancerous posts(desu, senpai, other forms of monkey tongue, and blogposting)
what's killing /a/ is the endless reposts(threads and replies both) that occur that gives people no incentive to think of original content
what's killing /a/ is that a majority of the site allows this shit to occur and propagate
not a single mahjong thread where people actually spend time on tenhou playing the game rather than crowding in the thread itself and shitposting
>Nobody ever does that, stop watching animus
More like everyone does in real life. Tenhou and net games are different in that unless you play a lot with the same people you can't learn habits or tells, but in real life it's very easy just like card games.
It's a combination of math + reading + bluff skills. The other portion that you dislike is intuition and flow, but technically the flow can be broken down into how much understanding you have of the sorting machine or better yet how people shuffle the tiles and remembering what they had.
Basically if you had god tier memory and could keep track of every tile that's revealed to you, while it wouldn't guarantee much especially with a machine table you would still have a huge advantage, since a machine table is not nearly as randomized as a computer game. With proper understanding of how it works, you can influence how it sorts itself, or at least the older models anyways. I haven't played real MJ in a few years.
So there's plenty of skill involved, more than enough that you will never ever ever reach the peak to justify crying about RNG. Baddies crying about luck are no different than lowbies crying that they didn't get the best drops of a dungeon during leveling it's fucking retarded.
I agree with you, especially:
>what's killing /a/ is the endless reposts(threads and replies both) that occur that gives people no incentive to think of original content
General would result in stagnation of discussion, personality cult, and an overall lower level of public discourse. It cause people to mindlessly repeat stupid memes. It cause circlejerk.
Look I like to discuss mahjong just like you, but keep it into the Saki, or Akagi or other anime/manga thread, you guys making it a specific general is just enabling cancer to form.
How long it is until someone create a trip? How long would it be until someone make a stupid meme that would be endlessly resuscitated again and again and again?
I'm sure I don't need to point at /vg/ to make you understand how shitty a community will turn when they become a general.
>not a single mahjong thread where people actually spend time on tenhou playing the game rather than crowding in the thread itself and shitposting
>/a/'s problem is not threads like these where people are actually on topic and generally aren't cancerous
Give it time buddy, you are underestimating the capability of general to turn into shitty cancerous circlejerk.
Like I said, I don't give a fuck, I like mahjong, and /a/ and I don't want you guys ruining it with a general.
The difference really is that high. You're in first place, you're the dealer so your hand value is already boosted, you should prioritize having a hand that's more likely to win.