Netflix is looking to create its own anime and plan to drop five billion dollers into it all. What's going to happen?
I would pay to see that regardless of actual content
I think they could get some talented people. Sense8 was pretty meh but other than that Netflix has done some fantastic original programming.
Whatever they do though Kevin Spacey must play the bad guy.
I don't think you understand. It's not going to be a bunch of noobs making anime. They're most likely going to hire company's that already make anime to do it but they get full rights to the show.
You don't need to be in a union to jew, imagine how fucked The Simpsons would be if Homer's VA left, no one would watch it. That's why long running western cartoons are expensive as fuck.
Your overthinking things. I'll explaine it to you like you're a baby. Netflix watches crunchyroll. Netflix watches as crunchyroll makes money of anime fans worldwide. Netflix thinks ohh maybe there is money to be made here? Netflix starts making anime.
Most VAs aren't making big bucks, seriously. Some of them are in Unions, which lets them use their real names in big-name productions like video games or animated movies. But cartoon series VAs tend not to make a lot more than your average entry-level college graduate, and they don't see residuals from their acting. Animators can and do cost an arm and a leg for cartoons like Regular Show, Adventure Time, and Steven Universe. Like, a good animator straight out of college can be making $54,000 to start and that number can get a lot higher for lead animators. VAs on the other hand tend to make about $30,000 a year for new series main characters, and that's assuming a series with at least 26 episodes produced annually. Their pay increases as the series gets more successful or more episodes get made, but if you're just a one-shot project like most of these anime will be the VAs will be a smaller proportion of the cost than the animation.
So instead of cute girls, blue skies and panty shots, it's loud explosions, dead terrorists and U.S.A! U.S.A! U.S.A!
0/10 will not watch, I hope no-one else does either and we successfully organize a mass boycott
Wouldn't it make more sense to just inject a few studios with $$ and have them do as they would normally be doing while securing rights to stream said content they make- or is this going to be Netflix-exclusive shit?
That source says 5 billion on all its new content not one series like the OP says.
>Lol you don't know how Money works do you?
What are you getting at?
Also just a heads up you two, "dood look it up fag" doesn't work in real debates.
Hey bro...... This isn't a debate. And I told you to look it up because you are currently using a computer.
>it's loud explosions, dead terrorists and U.S.A! U.S.A! U.S.A!
How did you make that assumption? What if the CEO of Netflix is a huge weaboo who secretly proclaims Houki-pouki is his waifu and "fuck that french slut, Charlotte"?
What actual definitions? Most definitions say anime is Japanese. I don't know how hard it is to understand, if something is made by a Japanese animation studio and airs in Japan first its anime this isn't hard to understand.
>What's going to happen?
Business as usual. They have a Japanese office which will be one of many media partners on animu production committees. They'll most likely fund shows in exchange for streaming rights outside of Japan.
Look up the definition of anime in pretty much every English dictionary. The problem comes from putting shit that isn't similar at all in the same category while removing ones that are just because of what kind of person made it. Legit weaboos pushed this stupid elitist shit because they hate filthy gaijins and want to feel even the tiniest bit of superiority over others.
If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck
I never thought I'd say this, but...
/pol/ was right.
The AAAAAAAAAAAAA games. First person simpleton shooters at it's finest. Just point and click and win.
But I doubt they can do the same with anime.
>Betch, there is people calling RWBY an anime
Then they aren't people but subhuman shits. Let's really wait first and watch Netflix's next move. Who knows? You might be condemning it this week and the next thing you know they announce that
Kyoanior MADHOUSEwill be giving a hand.
>an·i·me a style of Japanese film and television animation, typically aimed at adults as well as children.
>a style of Japanese film and television animation, typically aimed at adults as well as children.
> a style of Japanese film
Netflix's anime selections trend towards action-adventure focused stuff so it'd be nice if we could see something that wasn't just crafted to sell the source material, uncensored Blu-Rays and miscellaneous merchandise.
Anything that isn't just the same tired fucking LN and manga formulas would be nice though.
>Then it'll get banned from /a/ for not being anime and will have to go on /co/.
Pretty sure /co/ is going to send this right back to /a/
You do realize Japanese company's are still going to make the actual anime right? And it's still going to be based of manga? The only thing that's going to change is more is going to be made and Netflix will own it.
Sorry to tell you this but what /co/ wants doesn't mean shit. If it's not made in japan by the japanese it's western according to the rules of 4chan. Even stuff that's partially made by the japanese like ladybug are considered western.
I hope they'll speak in jap so Commie will sub it.
>a style of Japanese film
>a style of Japanese
And look up more than the piss poor dictionary.com
Except that's BULLSHIT. Oban Star Racers is always discussed on /a/ and /m/, and not allowed on /co/. Halo Legends, Mass Effect whatever, and the Animatrix are all considered to be /a/ material more than /co/ material, and they were discussed to death on this board. The only reason Ladybug is sent to /co/ is because it's 3DCG and not traditional anime nor based on a Japanese media property like Sidonia was.
I still say Toonami threads belong on /a/. The discussion would at least be higher-level over here and I wouldn't have to deal with retards posting shit like
>Why is Akame ga Kill so crap? Why doesn't the series focus on the Jaegers?
>Why can Kana sense parasites in Parasyte?
>Is Michiko a kek?
>Shikamaru is so based.
If you thought those links supported your argument, you thought wrong. More like the opposite.
What kind of style? Oh, a Japanese one. Glad the dictionary definition cleared that up and you were back to square one.
If they don't hire a Japanese writer/director for the project they will only be throwing money into a hole.
Even if they do hire a good Japanese writer/director they still will be throwing money into the hole unless it manages to strike gold somehow because most anime projects don't return a lot of money.
Pretend all these characters are American company's. Pretend Leeroy is Netflix. Watch what happens
Akame ga Kill is shit and you are a shit-eater for liking it. Everybody is fine with Toonami being on /co/, we don't want those mouth breathers here and nobody here is even interested in talking about terrible shows or shows that have been over for years.
I think his point is that a style is not exclusive to it's region of origin. I can cook "Italian style food" in my kitchen, which isn't in Italy. They can make a "Japanese style cartoon/film" (aka an anime) in a place that isn't Japan.
It's not the "being made in Japan" that makes it anime, it's the style. So if they make something in the same style, but not made in Japan, it can be considered anime.
Oh man, we just can't keep a lid on all those Michiko and Hacchin threads! People going off the fucking wall over One Piece episodes from the early 00s, and Shitpudding episodes from who-the-fuck-cares.
Fuck, even KLK sees basically no discussion these days. The hottest topic they have on the block now is Parasyte and /a/ got tired of that show months ago already.
To say nothing of AgK, possibly the rankest turd on the block aside from Nardo.
Final Fantasy isn't the same game outside of naming references, though. The game mechanics and stories are always changing instead of being ossified and being JUST THE WAY I LIKE THEM like Dragon Quest, for example.
A style can be used by all nationalities, retard.
>a style of animation originating in Japan
That literally means a style that first appeared in Japan. It doesn't mean it has to be from Japan to be that style. Merriam Webster's dictionary is one of the largest and most used dictionary producing companies in the world, it holds much more to it than a shitty website made a few years ago.
It's not like they need to sell Blu-Rays and event tickets. If they can fund things like House of Cards or Marco Polo and buy the rights to the Netflix Marvel series, an anime series is a drop in the bucket.
So basically it's going to be trash then. I mean, if they don't care about audience appeal then they're just going to do some faggy "auteur project" or someshit that nobody but the director will care about.
The only thing that needs to be said about this video game argument is Grant Theft Auto. Why you making things hard on yourself?
I should of stopped when I had a chance.
1:08:00 . . . fuck
Can't be the biggest
hii haaa *taptaptpa*
Why not post an article OP? Maybe I'll submit my anime to Netflix instead of Adult Swim in 5 years
>And look up more than the piss poor dictionary.com
>the oxford definition is literally the same definition
>The definition doesn't claim that its a style originating from japan but a Japanese style.
If people make a thread about it, anons will post in it. That's the way /a/ works. I mean, look at the fucking catalog right now.
>Thread about a stupid mystery manga that got axed
>Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei
It's full of old-ass shit. Your argument is illogical, incorrect, and stupid.
No, your argument is stupid.
>I post shit on /a/, ergo people enjoy talking about it!
No you dumb faggot it just means there's shitposters on /a/. My statement was not meant to imply that trolls and shitposters do not exist, but apparently I have to add fine print disclaimers to common sense statement so thickheaded dipshits like you can keep up.
>This Winchester rifle is an American gun, but it was made in China so it's not an American gun!
Not either of those anons, but this is how retarded you sound. Anime is just a style as far as the proper English dictionary is concerned.
No it's not. It's Japanese animation. Even the definitions you gave said as much. If it's not made in Japan, for a Japanese audience, using Japanese conventions, it's not anime.
Go ahead and make a Family Guy thread right now and see how long it takes for a janny to remove it. Just because it means that in Japan doesn't mean it means that in the west.
Pretty sure you're the thickheaded dipshit here.
American culture will fuck it up because Americans still view all anime as porn, speed racer, or DBZ
Plus I doubt it'll have loli if it's aimed at a western audience, and the forced multiculturalism will be abundant
>American culture will fuck it up because Americans still view all anime as porn, speed racer, or DBZ
At what point did you stop paying attention to the climate of anime in NA? It's not like that anymore. The fact Netflix is even doing this proves as much. A lot of their streaming is from the anime section.
That's not me, and that's wrong. It's defined as a style originating or created in Japan, that literally means the style came from Japan. If you're an actual English speaking person and not an autistic weaboo, it is anime if it looks like anime.
Because it's a fucking stupid definition that isn't even correct. I don't look for shit that looks like a cartoon when I'm looking for anime, I'm looking for anime. I'm not looking for shit that looks like anime when I'm looking for a cartoon. It categorizes things that are not similar in any way and only furthers the weaboo Nippon wank. More and more people are moving to the actual definition of anime being a style with all these new series coming out that are blurring the line between "anime" and "cartoon".
No, the definition is and has always been a style, this is my whole point. The common definition on the internet is an asinine one that people only use to feel superior when they go "no you filthy casual, it only LOOKS exactly like an anime, it's not really one!"
>if they fund an anime that isn't popular in NA, regardless of how popular it is in japan, it would be pointless
So what anime/genre is popular in NA right now?
I'm guessing either SOL or TypeMoon shit.
I didn't say anime fans view it that way, but when I see anime parodied in more modern TV it's almost always DBZ, Speed racer, or tentacles.
The top selling anime in the US are shonenshit anyway, so use that to speculate
>A lot of their streaming is from the anime section.
I'd like to see statistics on what percentage of streams are anime, and until I do I'll assume it isn't much compared to their TV and movies.
No it's not. It's kinda like telling people the United States is not actually America. Though most people believe it is. it's not true. That's why it's called the United States of America. As in located in America. Anime is just a term for animation. Even though many people like you believe it's for only cartoons created in Japan.
Where are you even pulling that out of your ass anon? Kotaku?
It's okay anon I totally get it, you don't want to think. I find that part of you kind of cute but you shouldn't just come on the internet, tell lies, and expect people to agree.
Excellent. I bet they come up with way better shit than most Japanese producers are coming up with and make it look easy. Imagine 5 billion dollars being dropped on anime without having to cater exclusively to Japanese otaku and a few years ago I would have called it a pipe dream. All they have to do is make sure Aniplex has absolutely no part in it and I say fucking go for it.
>anime with the same directors and staff but 1000x the budget
This can only be a good thing.
That's not what was said at all, retard
It was actually:
>Netflix CEO plans on spending 5 billion dollars on new content next year
which includes things like "anime" and "Bollywood" styled shows, whatever that means
Except it's not using the word properly. That definition is full of holes and constantly changes to kick out new series that come by.
I'm not the anon that linked the Kotaku article, and even then, just because it's your boogyman site doesn't mean it's not true. It's common knowledge that anime just means cartoon in Japan.
You're really pushing this anon.
I guess if I make a flip book of your waifu getting fucked in the ass that's "anime" by your definition.
I'm now a pro in the anime industry so everything I say goes.
Good job I'm glad you are able to see the difference in styles. However they are both birds of a feather. They are animated story's. Cartoons of you will.
What are you on?
Netflix let Sense8 exist.
Sense fucking 8, and they're still supporting Knights of Sidonia.
Netflix execs aren't the type to limit writers. If anything we'll finally get an adaptation of some really fun anime.
Spirit Circle might get a fucking anime.
Sakura Sakura might get an anime
Maybe it'll be horror like Hakaijuu.
There's a bunch of stuff they can adapt that can resonate with mainstream audiences but because they're continuing the partnership with Knights of Sidonia it's pretty safe to say Netflix is pretty chill no matter the content.
>I'd like to see statistics on what percentage of streams are anime, and until I do I'll assume it isn't much compared to their TV and movies.
Do you know why they put money into House of Cards? Because the numbers showed people were streaming character dramas.
I don't have stats but it's been known that Netflix makes moves based directly on customer activity.
Only if the style feels like Japanese.
Like Psychopass. No matter how many western elements are there it still feels like authentic Japanese anime.
>What are you on?
Nothing. I'm just predicting a hypothetical future where Netflix decided to produce an anime adaptation of some story from manga/LN/game and the directors messes it up.
Anime is literally an artstyle though, and there are plenty of "anime" that don't mimic each other in any aspect other than art style. Some don't even have the art style or common tropes of anime and are called such..
But just for the sake of the argument, look at Wakfu, Cannon Busters, and RWBY. All have typical tropes seen in anime along with the style.
oi /a/, where my simpsons? it's popular animation
Wakfu is anime! You heard it here first, folks. Wakfu thread when?
As far as the English dictionary is concerned, yes, it is.
So what if Disney decides to do anime too?
>Anime is literally an artstyle though
No it's not. Anime have varied artstyles. Teekyuu and Jojo are both anime. Ping Pong and K-On are both anime. K is an anime and so is Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei, and so is Panty and Stocking.
Know what they have in common? Made in Japan, by Japanese people, for Japanese people.
>The definition that I use is the real one! The one that everyone else uses is wrong!
Are you feeling euphoric, anon?
This anime/cartoon argument is kinda ridiculous. Is anybody in this thread even Japanese?
>I mean the general plot and tone of the show,
You mean the things nobody claimed were specifically and distinctly Japanese? Anyone can write a noir action story. It's not a genre beholden to a specific culture. What makes it anime is the specifically Japanese conventions and tropes that flavor it.
No American would have made Black Lagoon with battle maids or underage twins making out in pools of blood. Ever.
>You can't pick and choose what make something anime
Funny because that's what you're doing. It's funny that your definition of anime specifically leaves out all the stuff that marks it as distinct from western shit. Even though that's literally how it ends up being defined. God you're dumb.
You literally strip away all the unique parts of anime then claim "look anyone can make anime! you just have to take all the anime stuff out of it first!"
All I'm saying is Black Lagoon doesn't feature qualities that are strictly Japanese, at least not in terms of it's tone and direction. Yet we accept it as being anime.
If you wouldn't accept the same show from an American (and let's be honest, you wouldn't) then you shouldn't accept it from Japan.
>All I'm saying is Black Lagoon doesn't feature qualities that are strictly Japanese
Except the ones I mentioned. I could go into how specific framing and focus are done differently between cultures, but it'd clearly go over your head since you don't know anything about this topic.
>the best and one of the very few non shit movies Adam Sandler has made makes 42 million dollars
>literall shit like Jack & Jill makes 149 million
What the fuck
Dexters lab and Family Guy are both considered cartoony styled. They don't have to be exactly alike to be the same style. But with the proper English definition, I don't think P&S or Shin-Chan or anything like that would qualify as anime, and rightfully so. They are not categorized as something someone would consider anime at first glance.
Well, technically, yeah. A vast majority of normal people would consider Avatar and LoK anime while excluding P&S or something like that. You're free to use whatever retarded definition you please, but that doesn't make the other person wrong when they have the proper English definition on their side.
>Except they paid for part of it
No they didn't. They're literally not credited ANYWHERE in the production, they're only billed as the distributor for English audiences. You're aware that it's a manga series right? It was an adaptation produced by an entirely Japanese studio for Japanese audiences.
Literally all anime are colored by Japanese culture, yes. The fact you think this is limited to "wacky" things and that you can't pinpoint the Japanese influences speaks volumes of your ignorance.
>Americans made the most popular games! Fucking cancer!
You sound bootyblasted.
I don't get why you guys even bother to argue about this. It's pretty obvious what anime Netflix is actually funding.
See, it's like I'm talking to a 5 year old. You can't even follow a simple line of reasoning, let alone the details of this topic. But here I go again, trying despite all evidence you are a simpleton:
Anime is defined as Japanese animation. This is because the animation produced by the Japanese possesses distinct qualities that mark it as different. If it didn't, if Japanese animation was really so homogenous with the rest of the world's entertainment, there would be no special term for it in English, and nobody would consider it different from normal cartoons. But that's not the case, is it?
Like all outsiders and ignoramuses who know nothing of anime, you reverse cause and effect. You think anime's distinctness is something artificially created by fans, when in fact it's the reverse. It only has dedicated fans because it's distinct.
The fact remains you have no counter to the presence of battle maids and murderous children in Black Lagoon. You absolutely cannot deny no American would create a series with these elements, because they don't exist as tropes in American culture.
Except my definition is the one the world recognizes. Anime is Japanese animation, period. Foreign cultures try to imitate it, but it always feels wrong because it's just a shallow copy of superficial elements.
It doesn't feel like anime. It doesn't look like anime except in the most vague of ways. I laugh at people who claim Avatar or Wakfu "look" like anime. It's like they're fucking blind.
You needn't waste breath anon.
If it's made in japan it's anime. As simple as that.
The people we're arguing with are saying wakfu is anime but P&S isn't. This isn't even worth the effort.
>Americans made the most popular games!
Not even mad because you muscular army men can't be more famous than a hollywood mouse or an Italian plumber or a blue hedgehog or a blue robot.
no. anime is global now. its not some sort of new weeb orientalism or any shit like that. its a style that can be mass produced anywhere for anyone. thats just something youre going to have to learn to accept and move on.
>he thinks anime is dying
>when crunchyroll and similar sites are collectively growing in popularity at a rapid pace
Just check tumblr and reddit if you want anymore proof. Tokyo Ghoul and OPM are major hits in the west (CGDCT probably still has a while to catch on though)
Attack on Titan was the primary catalyst if you weren't already aware.
>I don't think P&S or Shin-Chan or anything like that would qualify as anime, and rightfully so.
>I think the definition I hold for anime is more accurate then what the vast majority of people who use the term think
This is too much. I don't know if you're baiting or actually retarded, but please just leave. You don't belong here.
Was that wrong, oh dear.
I seem to have dropped the ball.
Man take it easy, I've probably been watching anime longer than you. I didn't mean for this to turn semantic. My only point is that in terms of quality, direction, and tone, there are plenty of anime we know and love that could be created by non-Japanese. You can call the end result whatever you want, I don't fucking care. But the product itself won't be so strikingly different because it doesn't feature Japan's overdone tropes riddled throughout.
>Except my definition is the one the world recognizes.
Funny because I pulled up 3 different sources defining anime and none speak on culture as a defining attribute. You're talking out of your ass.
This. Anime isn't a niche form of entertainment anymore. Get with the times and learn it's become a global thing now.
Boondocks, Legend of Korra, Cannon Busters, RWBY. But you're just going to say "hurr durr you can't because anime is Japan itself!!!"
Literally every definition of anime I look up says it is Japanese animation. You can't find a definition of it that doesn't mention Japan.
Your entire attempt to strip the definition of its cultural origin is transparently an exercise in post-modernist globalization and watering down culture you don't even understand.
>>Boondocks, Legend of Korra, Cannon Busters, RWBY. But you're just going to say "hurr durr you can't because anime is Japan itself!!!"
Because that's true. They aren't anime. And part of Boondocks was actually made by Madhouse, and you can see the influence on the animation in the second season because of that, but it's still not anime because it's not written or directed by Japanese people nor was it made for Japanese people.
Make a thread for those here and see what happens anon
A couple of redirects to /co/ then an inevitable 404
They're not anime, I don't know why these people are arguing culture or anything like that. If it's made in japan it's anime. As simple as that.
That post didn't even contain ad hominem. Also
>Japan is a place, not a culture
>seriously trying to argue that Japanese culture doesn't exist
It's like I'm literally talking to a PoMo stereotype.
>I think the definition I hold for anime is more accurate then what the vast majority of people who use the term think
The world is bigger than the animu forums you lurk all day. Go up to any high schooler or woman in her 30's show them a picture of The Boondocks and they'll call it anime.
But I didn't make up my own definition, it says right there in several dictionaries that anime is just a style.
>A couple of redirects to /co/ then an inevitable 404
Oh, I wouldn't count on that if I were you. For the past few weeks, there's been a notable increase in off-topic threads hit bump limit.
Because newfags can't into lurk more or board culture and just flatly leave.
Outside /a/ there are a lot of other communities. Yes, even ones that worship loli, shouta, incest, /ss/ and /ll/.
Off topic threads sure but none pertaining to any of those shows you mentioned. The shitposting on /a/ has nothing to do with this discussion.
If the country of origin for anime is japan why should any other source really matter all that much in defining it? Go find a japanese dictionary definition for it and come back.
>in terms of quality, direction, and tone, there are plenty of anime we know and love that could be created by non-Japanese
This is your opinion, not fact.
>But the product itself won't be so strikingly different because it doesn't feature Japan's overdone tropes riddled throughout.
>But the product itself won't be so strikingly different
This would only be true if the quality, direction and tone could be perfectly replicated from one culture/country to another which is conjecture at best.
There you go again, putting the cart before the horse. Not even understanding the conversation.
Anime by definition IS Japanese culture. It's made by Japanese people, for Japanese people. You take out the Japan and what do you have? Not anime. Just normal animation.
I'm not the guy you were talking to. It's just that on the subject, I dare say threads about those shows might in fact garner more discussion than actual anime threads.
>That's the definition of anime.
no, no its not
>If the country of origin for anime is japan why should any other source really matter all that much in defining it?
Because you're an English speaking person using a Japanese word that was brought into the English language. If you want to use the Japanese term, then all cartoons are anime.
You're desperately trying to twist around the fact that there's no such thing as anime that isn't Japanese. Literally every definition mentions Japan and being Japanese. Anime as a term exists because anime is so distinct from other types of animation. We don't have a special word for Canadian animation do we? Or African animation? Or Russian animation? No we don't.
Yet we have one for naime.
Anime started off as influenced by Disney, but over the last 50 years, Japan has polished it enough to be it's own unique thing that's deeply rooted to the Japanese culture. This is why it's difficult to emulate anime, and some western media could only copy it superficially (face faults and big eyes).
>Go up to any high schooler or woman in her 30's show them a picture of The Boondocks and they'll call it anime.
This is hilarious. You are this delusional. The average person wouldn't even know what the fuck the boondocks is, nor be able to discern that it looks like fucking anime or even care about the difference. You'd be lucky if any of them even knew what the fuck anime was. They're not going to look at the boondocks, and think, "this is an anime". Holy fuck.
Why doesn't the definition mention any other cultures then? I mean if it truly is a global style like you post modernist morons claim, then why even bother mentioning Japan at all? Why not just say it's about "stark colors" or whatever? You know, really strip out all the elements that make it Japanese?
Oh right, because if you don't mention it's Japanese, people are going to be confused as to why virtually all anime is fucking Japanese.
Don't do this to yourselves
>spaghetti is called an italian dish in every dictionary, that obviously means you have to be italian to make it!
This is how you sound.
Anime is a term because it's a style of animation originating from Japan. It's a distinct style, like rotoscoping or 3DCG. No other country has made a style almost universally used there and in even close enough numbers, that's why we don't have names for them.
You do all realize there is a way to prove who is right. Somone just needs to make a Avatar thread and see if that's banned. If not I'm sure Netflix anime will have a spot on /a/
all of the day bro
>This is how you sound.
No, that's how your badly made strawman sounds. In the first place, anime is art. It's a collaborative process of various artists. All of them Japanese. Japanese people doing Japanese artwork for Japanese people. Explain to me how a foreigner can replicate this? It's not a fucking food dish where you just follow the recipe, and as long as you have the exact ingredients and follow the exact steps you get the same thing. By your logic if we took two people from different artistic and cultural backgrounds and put them in the same room and told them to draw the same still-life with the same tools using the same perspective, we'd get identical drawings.
But that's not how fucking art works you dumb piece of shit.
The vocal minority of /a/ wouldn't even allow VN discussion for titles that had upcoming adaptions. Same for LNs. They're incredibly persistent and pedantic when it comes to what is discussed here.
>seriously comparing inflated costs of Murican animated comedy sitcom episodes to anime
FMA Brotherhood cost roughly 5 million for the entire series, iirc. Making anime, besides the high budget movies you see from studios like Ghibli, has always been cheap out of necessity. It's a drop in the bucket compared to the piles of money Netflix spends on their more popular live action stuff.
With just 100 million, Netflix could fund several 13 or 26 episode shows.
All you do is shitpost and post hilariously off-base definitions without any kind of commentary, proving your arguing for no other reason than to argue. You know nothing about this topic. In fact I doubt you're even from /a/, you're more likely from /co/ or some other outside-agitator board.
All your definitions STILL mention Japan (and only Japan) for a cultural reference. They then try to describe the "anime style" while hilariously excluding many well known anime in their ignorance (which is why laymen should never try to define art).
Yeah, they know it as "cartoons from japan". But it's not so ingrained in their minds that you can show them a random animation and they will randomly say "this is an anime! this is a cartoon!". It's not the first thing that would even come to mind to the average person when showed the boondocks, or any other animated show. Because most people don't give a shit about anime or cartoons in general, they won't care enough about them to be able to tell the difference between cartoons and anime. That you seem to think otherwise just shows how delusional you are.
>Yes. Because MADHOUSE is now a Chinese company, not Japanese. Because they're in China. You literally answered your own question.
An example that comes to mind is Kojima. His studio was in Los Angeles but he still called MGSV a "uniquely Japanese game".
Even though it's vidya, I'll take a Japanese creator's train of thought over yours.
>not like 'EHHHHH?!?!?!!?' reactions
what a fag
A weeb falls in love with an anime.
Unable to confess, he is gifted by a deus ex machina with the anime's complete BD box set. Never minding the strange area code, he immediately watches it, and is overjoyed to find out that it has a crush on him as well.
But, the next day, when he recounts the previous day's marathon session to the anime, it only looks at him with a perplexed expression. After some investigation, he finds out that the anime he watched is not the same anime he fell in love with. In fact, it doesn't exist in this universe at all. It is the anime's alternate cartoon counterpart, who has fallen in love with the MC's own AU self, who too is blissfully unaware of it's crush.
Hijinks ensue as the two strike up a deal to give each other their darkest, most private secrets in order to equip the other with the weapons they need to conquer the heart of their other selves. While the two chase their respective loved ones, DRAMA ensues as they begin to fall in love with each other instead and question the NATURE of ANIME.
>anime is just so complex and exclusive to Japan that no gaijin could ever replicate it!
The creator of fucking Cannon Busters and Boondocks DID replicate it, retard. He even went to fucking Japan to work on it.
See what I've been talking about? You guys have so many differing definitions. The one you posted is what used to be the definition, but that would mean Legend of Korra is in fact anime. You move the goalposts whenever some gaijin actually slips through.
>Now that I've pushed the national origin thing to absurdity, let me make it clear that I'll be the first to agree that anime is Japanese in origin and is subtly influenced by Japanese culture. Japan is where it came from, after all.
Okay thanks anon
Let's not all panic here the anime Netflix will be producing will still be made by Japanese studios. It will just be owned by Netflix. So there would be no reason it wouldn't be allowed on /a/. Also all my friends call anime cartoons. And from what I hear people in japan call all animation anime. So it most likely all comes down to preference. Although technically anime is just short for cartoons.
That's not how it works though. As long as they are still registered as a Japanese business and have a Japanese office, it's Japanese. Unless of course you're going to argue that Apple isn't an American company because they outsourced to China and Samsung isn't a Korean company because they offshored to Vietnam.
>The creator of fucking Cannon Busters and Boondocks DID replicate it
No he didn't. Neither of those are anime. Boondocks is an American comic. It's steeped in American culture. The second season was partially animated by Madhouse. The influence of that studio can be seen, but the show itself is not anime, nor does it feel like anime.
"The specific definition we use to determine "Anime" is "An animated series, produced and aired in Japan, intended for a Japanese audience". We do not consider anime to be a "style". That's too vague and makes it difficult to pin down where the line between anime and other kinds of animation lies. "Anime" in Japanese may mean animation more widely, but we are speaking English and there's no point using 'anime' in the West unless you're talking about Japanese animation. Thereby, "Anime relatedness" means discussion about a specific anime or set of anime, or about the circumstances in which anime is created generally."
>authority of definitions
Now you show you don't even know how dictionaries are written. Let me guess: you actually thought dictionaries were prescriptive huh? What a laugh.
Dictionaries are descriptive. Moreover their entries are biased to whoever took the sample. That's why they have different entries, because the meanings of words are based on different samples of the population. The authors of these dictionaries only have an interest in recording English words, they're not authorities on the topics they define.
Morons who know nothing about anime want their favorite non-anime shit to be made here. /co/tards and gooks who want to discuss gookshit. I have no clue why this thread even exists, it should have been deleted ages ago.
>falling for the "streaming is bad" meme
Now you're saying anime has to have Japanese culture in it? What about the countless fantasy series that don't have moeshit or anything like that?
So Big O and Space Dandy aren't anime? And RWBY is now anime because it's being marketed and dubbed in Japanese?
The Japanese did help produce LoK and Cannon Busters.
Big O and Space Dandy weren't made 100% with the western audience in mind though. That's just stupid. A more western influenced anime sure but it's not like they're completely dismissing the place of origin for the god damn shows.
>So Big O and Space Dandy aren't anime?
If those aren't originally targeted for Japanese then why are they voiced in Japanese?
>it's being marketed and dubbed in Japanese?
Was the original audience the Japs?
>Now you're saying anime has to have Japanese culture in it?
It has to be made by Japanese people, for Japanese people. A consequence of this process is that it necessarily contains Japanese culture. I've said this so many times, yet you still don't get it.
>i need to watch my 720p shovelware shit in the highest quality possible
>countless fantasy series that don't have moeshit
I fucking knew you weren't from /a/.
And I'd love you to name a single fantasy series you think doesn't have any Japanese culture in it, so I can laugh at you.
>So the tone and direction of all anime is influenced by race?
Yes, that's exactly right since it was made in Japan and all. Different cultures/countries have different ways of thinking. Thus, they will create things differently from other cultures/countries. Nice try skipping quality by the way as this also can't be easily reproduced by other cultures/countries (or at least, Japan's quality can't). You think America can animate the same way as Japan? America has no idea how Japan animates anything and vice versa; I don't see how they (either Japan or America) could replicate each other's motion picture without first asking for directions. And this difference (i.e. lack of knowledge about the process of animation) is what you will see when you're watching the show (unless you're a casual in which case it'll all look the same to you).
"It doesn't look Japanese; it doesn't feel Japanese" - these aren't just words; there are reasons why one would say such things and the reasons are because the quality, tone, direction, animation etc are not what you're used to seeing compared to when you watch a motion picture that was actually produced in Japan. It stands to reason, then, that anime is a form of animation distinct from ALL (yes, all) other types of animation or else it would not have its own term associated with it. Just because something can be imitated does not mean it can stand up to the original and if you're not a total casual, you'll notice the difference.
I doubt he even knows anything about semantic change or anything like that. He probably thinks words can only be defined by set "authorities" and that makes his argument stronger. All of that despite the fact that he is wrong about the meaning in the first place.
>specifically for American channels
And yet it was made in Japan, by Japanese people, and was simultaneously dubbed by Japanese seiyuu and then aired on Japanese channels days after the American broadcast.
Alright this thread is terrible.
WHAT ANIME / SERIES WOULD YOU POUR 5 BILLION BIG ONES INTO?
The rest of hajime no ippo with movie quality animation
What's the worst that could happen? An insignificant addition to the amount of garbage that rolls through every season? If it doesn't work and Netflix backs out, the amount of money they'd lose would be like a sneeze to them in terms of inconvenience.
>just made up
I've been repeating it for a long time now, since my earliest posts in this thread. And I'm not alone either. Are you just arguing in circles now? Cause you have no counter to this?
I actually wanted to get into a real meaty discussion of anime conventions to show you how stupid and ignorant we are, but you can't even get past the fucking definition so we're still mulling around at the foothills of this particular mountain.
>He's right about Space Dandy at least. Partially funded by Toonami.
Being funded by a western company doesn't remove the fact that the show's target audience is still Japanese.
The guy you're responding to is an idiot, but I understand his point and have to mention IGPX since we're on about this. Payed for by Cartoon network in full, and Animated completely by sunrise. It does have a japanese cast, but I would never be willing to say it's target audience was japanese.
Since when did it have to be made for Jpanese people? Literally when? Oh yeah, when Western shit actually started having anime and you just couldn't stand it so you changed the definition.
> It does have a japanese cast, but I would never be willing to say it's target audience was japanese.
Yeah they just shelled out money for Japanese voice actors for fun, not because they didn't make it for Japanese audiences.
>doesn't remove the fact that the show's target audience is still Japanese
Anon, I agree with this. Dude was just asking for a source, so I backed up part of the claim. I still say the intended audience is Japanese.
You mean the common sense one literally everyone uses? I don't know how you can think anime isn't Japanese when literally all definitions of it say it's Japanese. Hell, it used to be called JAPANIMATION. Yet you refuse to admit the Japanese aspect is crucial.
I can only guess at the reason. Generally there are three big ones, but I want to see if I'm right. So tell me: why do you resist the common sense definition? Why is it so important to you that anime NOT be Japanese?
Are you retarded? Are all of you guys retards? First time in a/ and you guys are saying shit like this and 5bil on one anime? You guys are really really really really really out of touch on how much things cost in the real world
The caveman painting comparison is irrelevant because that's a completely different medium altogether, come on.
Live action film doesn't seem to have this regional hangup anime fans seem to have regarding where it's produced. Would you say Hitchcock didn't make Expressionist films? Millions of film enthusiasts would disagree with you. It's a style that originated in Germany, yes, but because Hitchcock is British his films don't have Expressionist set design, lighting, staging etc.? Utter bullshit, so why would an animated film or series with all the visual stylings of anime not be considered anime?
Because it's made by Japanese people, for other Japanese people. That's why it's dubbed in Japanese. Not all anime is aimed exclusively at the Japanese audience, but the Japanese audience is ALWAYS included in the production's considerations. Always.
And once again you do your PoMo thing where you try to distort the order of causality. Where you say things get culture based on who is watching it, rather than who is making it.
Except all definitions AREN'T Japanese. Personally, I don't want to change the definition individual sites use. That's up to them. But my problem is the typical weaboo plugging their ears and saying "NO NO YOU'RE WRONG ANIME ISN'T A STYLE". You say someone is definitely wrong when they use an actual valid definition posted right there in the dictionary.
>both of them specifically mention Japan and no other culture
So tell me again about how anime isn't Japanese? You didn't answer my question: why is it so important that anime not be Japanese to you?
>Utter bullshit, so why would an animated film or series with all the visual stylings of anime not be considered anime?
Because the definition of the word is about the origins. Anime is Japanese cartoons. If you come up with a word for a specific style of art used in anime, then you can use that for non-Japanese stuff done in that style, but you wouldn't say Hitchcock made German films.
>Where you say things get culture based on who is watching it
you mean like you?
>for other Japanese people.
>the Japanese audience is ALWAYS included in the production's considerations.
so you want your cake and to be able to eat it also?
>Where you say things get culture based on who is watching it, rather than who is making it.
But that is how it is. The Japanese make no different words for what they watch from America and what they watch in glorious Nippon, you do. You're making this distinction, not them. They have no problem with calling cartoons anime.
He's in a weird space saying that
Dandy I don't know enough about to answer for you, but Big O I do including a source.
First season of Big O was 100% Japanese.
Second season of Big O was commissioned by cartoon network, because big O was a major hit for the Network in the United States. Here's a source strait from the directors mouth for you.
Right at 7 minutes if the link doesn't work properly. This is also why Season 2 (2003) was 4 years after season 1 (1999). Supposedly, Cartoon network had an opt in for a season 3 they didn't take. I don't have a source on that though.
It's funny. As I wrote that, I thought "maybe I should clarify this because he might not follow it." But then I thought "No, surely he won't be THAT stupid, surely he can parse grammar at a 5th grade level."
Boy you sure proved me wrong!
I'm talking about who the anime is made for. It's defined by its target audience. I.e. who the producers want to view it. It's MADE for Japanese audiences. Nowhere did I say "anime is anime because it's WATCHED by Japanese people". I said it's anime because it's MADE for Japanese people.
Because you define art by its production, not the people viewing it. You stupid monkey fuck.
>a style originally developed in japan =/= a style that is only japanese
>mentions Japan and no other culture
>b-b-b-but it's not Japanese! It's a generic style!
Tell me again about how it's not Japanese senpai?
Exactly, we're using the English definition, which, according to the English dictionary, is a style. You and this site can use whatever wonky definition you can come up with, but that doesn't make someone wrong for using the proper one.
>But that is how it is.
Only in your ridiculous post modernist imagination. Art is defined by its production, not its display. You, as an audience, have no power to redefine its essence.
Of course anime is a style. If it wasn't, I wouldn't be able to sell my shitty rpg maker "jrpg" game on steam without someone calling out my shit! Nobody would take my "anime-inspired" web comic seriously! If anime wasn't a style, how could I ever co-opt it to serve my purposes? The worst thing that could ever happen to anime is that it remains the exclusive domain of sexist japanese men. Then I wouldn't be able to take advantage of it and make money off of the reprobates who actually like the medium.
>that doesn't make someone wrong for using the proper one
It makes someone wrong for using the "proper" one and then insisting that western stuff should be allowed here.
Madoka was also not just targeting a Japanese audience. Considering 90 percent of the show is German references only Germans and people who study Germany would know.
What the fuck? Because the dictionary has no reason to say "it originated in Japan and it can be used anywhere!" because it already says something synonymous to it. It's a style of animation that started in Japan. That means the style can be branched out from Japan to the whole world.
Not him, but he raises an interesting point that I have my own rebuttal to. The reason people call Hitchcock movies Expressionist is because quite honestly, and I'm speaking generally here, going from a typical American or British film to a typical German or French film isn't as huge of a leap as going from a typical western cartoon to anime. The same could be said of American film and Japanese film, actually. Would he say that Star Wars is samurai cinema because Lucas lifted from it?
So, the Hitchcock comparison isn't fair because when talking about anime, we're taking styles of animation from two very different cultures into consideration.
>It's a style of animation that started in Japan
This begs the question of where else it's used. Go on, find me a definition of anime from different cultures. Oh wait, you can't. Because anime is tied directly to Japanese culture, isn't it? Because that's sort of what makes it anime. And when you take out the Japanese cultural elements, you're left with something nobody will call anime.
You're seriously retarded. Just because it mentions Japan doesn't mean it has to be from Japan to be it. Give me a fucking definition of spaghetti that doesn't say it originated in Italy.
>That means the style can be branched out from Japan to the whole world.
Yet no definition of anime will mention any culture except Japan. I wonder why that is. And I wonder why ever definition that tries to do this post modernist horseshit only gives extremely limited, hilariously wrong descriptions of the "anime style"?
What is "the style"? Because if I really had to identify an "anime style", it would have to do with limited animation and heavier reliance on twos and threes, rather than any aspect of the individual drawings.
>It's a style of animation that started in Japan.
Correct. That is what the dictionary definition actually says.
>That means the style can be branched out from Japan to the whole world.
Where did it say this again? Oh, that was just your personal take on it, never mind.
It's a style of animation that started in Japan. That means it started in Japan and stays in Japan.
There, sunk to your level.
>Just because it mentions Japan doesn't mean it has to be from Japan to be it.
Literally this retarded. See, I don't need straw man arguments, your posts are THIS retarded. Somehow, in your mind, the definitions mentioning Japan (AND ONLY JAPAN) means other cultures are somehow tied to anime.
>Give me a fucking definition of spaghetti
Oh your that spaghetti retard, I thought I told you food isn't art? Did you not read that post? I'm not going to type it up again, just go reread it: >>133401283
I can't tell who's who, but there's no reason to start an argument over what makes anime anime if you understand you're using different definitions and that that's all there is to it.