Why do some people major in stuff such as Physics, Music, Anthropology, etc when their grades are good enough for medicine? (I am not talking about countries in America where you have to do pre-Med/Law courses, but countries where you must do these degrees as an undergraduate.)
Anyone with common sense can tell you that the job markets for people with these majors are shit, and if you go to grad school, the job market isn't necessarily any better. You can try to transfer back into Law or Medicine, but it will be very competitive.
Sure someone will end up with a stable job which pays nicely, but chances are it will not be you. Work is not meant to be fun, every job has its own terrible aspects, money is important and a person can always learn to love his job.
law is incredibly oversaturated you fucking doofus even in the states that have even higher entry barriers than euroshit markets. also not everyone has it in them to do medicine. its one of those only professions where you cant get away with the 'work is work' mentality. it has to be something you enjoy or you wont last long at all in it.
>not everyone can be doctors and lawyers
Physics is not shit, but the job market is shit. What else can you do besides research and teaching? Even so, the job market for researchers is saturated as fuck. Chances are these people who majored in Physics will end up as adjunts/associate professors forever, or even worse, they will end up broke when there is no funding.
>not everyone can be doctors and lawyers
Agreed. But still, there are plenty of other stuff these people can pick which leads to a better job market... Actuarial Science, Physiotherapy, Economics, Radiography, Business, Dentistry, etc.
I know a lot of people studying medicine. Its not for everyone, hell it isnt even one of the hardest things once your in, but the way you have to process info is very quantity over quality, some people dont like mostly memorizing and prefer a more logic based style of learning
Its not about being able to or not. Lome people dont LIKE learning like that, for me it would be mind numbing.
Job market doesnt explain everything, people like different stuff and as an economics student I know best than to think everyone is 100% economicly racional all the time, the thing economics deals with the most is analyzing preferences, and some people have preference for making less money and doing things they like instead of making more and stuff they dont
Yeah, but someone majoring in Physics, Chemistry, etc can end up broke and unemployed. Having no money really sucks and it is different from having less money. Research assistants also barely earn enough for themselves, and your funding is cut, you have no income. People who picked stuff such as Music are not in a better position as finding a good job after uni is tough.
Again, stop talking about a subject you are completely clueless on. Physics is a very versatile subject. Many physics majors are working outside research or unis. Industry, business, finance, etc...
I got a degree in physics and am working in finance.
you have no idea what youre talking about.
dentistry is oversaturated
economics isnt shit by itselfs
business administration (because thats the fucking closest thing to studying 'business') isnt even more worthless if you arent studying some specialized like accounting or finance (oh btw oversaturated as well)
literally ever med tech job is oversaturated
actuaries, fine theres a demand for that
but seriously just stfu, you met a handful of people who made stupid choices and youre pulling the HAHHA EVERYONES SO STOOPID GAWD WHY DONT THEY JUST BECOME A BRAIN SURGEON ASTRONAUT ENGINEER THEY R SOOO IN DEMAND.
you literally fucking nothing about the marco economic forces affecting the overall job market and how they affect most industries. let me guess youre 19?
>let me guess youre 19
But I'm not stupid, ok? Yeah, a lot of fields are saturated, but still, the chances of you finding a decent job after majoring in Dentistry is still higher than a Biology major, right? Just compare the number of Dentistry majors who end up in retail with Biology majors.
Last year I got about 150k. Physics and math people are in high demand for stuff like quant jobs. We are the ones who work with complex calculations and models. It absolutely is related to what I studied.
Now shut your mouth to avoid looking like an even bigger idiot than you already are.
except you are fucking stupid. youre not even asking the right question. yeah sure, graduating from dental school will give you better job prospects than graduating with accounting but it doesnt mean fucking much if those job prospects means going from a field where theres 50 applicants chasing 1 position to a field where theres 20 applicants chasing 1 position. all youre doing is going from one shit option to another which brings me to my original point, youre asking a fucking retarded question. you should be asking "why even bother with higher education and get yourself in debt if there arent even any jobs available". literally most millennials grew up to believe that going to college and getting a job was literally just a montion you go through not to mention every field fucking ever is advertised with the "baby boomers are retiring en mass and this industry can expect sky high demand for half a century or more! expect plenty of jobs, great entry level salaries and benefits galore!" line.
Why would I be trolling? I know it's not a lot but I have the potential to earn more in the future.
Seriously, kid. You're 19. Do you actually think you know more about the real world than someone in his 30s who has a degree and is several years into his career?
>why even bother with higher education and get yourself in debt if there arent even any jobs available
I'm not American. For something like research, it's like over a hundred applications for a tenured-job post so it's way harder than 20 people applying for one job. Finding a stable job after a PhD might as well be impossible.
I know many Science majors who did a second degree in something with better prospects (eg. Physiotherapy).
This guy here
If you're not american or from a country where unis are mostly private that notion of getting in debt to get higher education kinda falls flat. People have more access to it so they do it. We're in a point where to even do some of the older jobs that people who never went to school did you need at least highschool education
jesus you just answered your own question. they major in what they want to because they fucking can and there's (assumedly) no major negative consequences for it. its literally that simple
I'm gonna major in Philosophy cause I like it.
I could major in Economics or Engineeing and get a well paying job, but I don't want to live my life doing something I hate just because it pays well.
I'd rather open a bakery or a restaurant or a little shop and live modestly but doing something that doesn't make me want to shoot myself.
The average job salaries don't even differ that much between degrees straight out of university and you're liable to end up with a big fuck-off debt if you go into medicine or dentistry.
Here's a newsflash. Most people don't end up working in the same field as their major anyway. Most of my friends studied some variety of Arts and they work as everything from academics, to public servants, to business analysts, to consultants, to project managers in major corporations. I studied history and I work as a defence contractor. Hell, my own mother studied French Literature and she earns 350k as an exec in a large financial firm.
Where the hell do you live? And you seriously can't know many adults with careers at your age. Why do you have such an irrational fear/hatred of science? Did a physics major start dating your oneitis or something?
even excluding the debt point his question is still retarded in that he isnt considering job markets objectively (in that most suck) and instead is view them comparatively (chose the major where the market is least shitty). he might as well be telling us to leave the blackjack table and go out and buy lottery tickets because the payout will always be higher for the lottery
>no major negative consequences for it
Being unemployed sucks!
Geez all jobs suck. I worked as a receptionist before. The working hours were long, my boss was grumpy and it was not as easy as it looked. Work is not meant to be fun. Money is important and you need to save money for retirement, and you don't need a "perfect" job to live a good life .
He didn't major in Physics, but still, fuck that bastard.
Not true. What are your chances of winning the lottery? One in a million? The chances of you finding a decent job after majoring in Anthropology or what not is also pretty shit.
>you don't need a "perfect" job to live a good life
Yes, but it helps to have a job that's actually tolerable. If you enjoy working 14 hour days as an early-career lawyer or accountant, be my guest. Meanwhile, dentistry has an absurdly high suicide rate so they can't be all that happy either.
>all jobs suck
>I worked as a receptionist before. The working hours were long, my boss was grumpy and it was not as easy as it looked.
yes, I've been a waiter, a butcher and a barman. It's hard and it's not fun to work for someone else, that's why I want to have something that's mine.
Most of it it's also a state of mind, I now work at a place where the people is nice and clients actually smile when you serve them and waking up every morning to go to work is almost a pleasure.
>Money is important and you need to save money for retirement
It is very dificult to make op understand imo. For him the notion of doing something he hates to grind money for several years seems like something easy and efortless if you 'suck it up' but it doesnt work like that its more likely you will break down and give up meanwhile
History, and no, not really. I transitioned out of my field into contract research work for the government and then I used that experience to move into an industry job. I pretty much have free reign over my deadlines, I don't have to publish constantly and I am paid extremely well.
saving money is much easier than doing something you don't like doing for years and years, but most people are too stupid to do that stupidly simple thing of NOT spending the whole salary every month.
Who the fuck will give up a well-paid job with money and stability? Chances are you've been romanticizing the other job too much with a "the grass is greener on the other side" mindset.
I bet you are just romanticizing your job too much or lying here.
>Physics, Music, Anthropology
why do you put physics with the other two?
Physics has way better job opportunities than law and depending which direction you choose better than most med students.
that said, you're a physics nerd or you're not, that shit's in your blood.
Also doing science (math, physics biology biology or chemistry) you make a lasting contribution to society, basically building the world instead of doing maintenance to decaying bodies.
>music, antropology, whaterver
because they've been told you become something by choosing the study. In fact that's what society thought before 2008, now everyone should know they're fucked.
>they're beyond fucked
Why do some people major in stuff such as Medicine, Law, Anthropology, etc when the could just as well become plumbers?
Anyone with common sense can tell you that the job markets for people with majors are shit, and if you go to grad school, the job market isn't necessarily any better. Plumbers, on the other hand, can get to work right after high school, saving a lot of money and time. They are also highly requested and have stable and good paying jobs
Sure someone will end up with a stable job which pays nicely, but chances are it will not be you. Work is not meant to be fun, every job has its own terrible aspects, money is important and a person can always learn to love his job.
It's a funny maturing transition going from uni student thinking high school kids don't know shit to working white collar adult thinking uni students don't know shit
most of the time unless you end up working in your field, you can still use your degree as an exemplary experience of your ability to problem solve/high attention to detail, particularly with STEM degrees, which is a skill that a lot of other fields seek (i.e. like the finance dude who has a degree in physics)
Because I'd rather have a chance at doing a job I like. People who become doctors without passion for medicine are a dime a dozen. They are essential to society, sure, but they will not contribute to the field's progress in any way and die unknown except by a dozen people
OP, you are young and naive. That's ok. You'll learn.
I am an archaeologist. We don't make great money upfront. But I have worked my ass off for years, invested in my higher education, and have saved my money. And I actually own a house now. Plus I have a seperate career as a writer. Again, doesn't get me tons of money upfront, but I love archaeology and I love writing.
Of course, whether you make a lot of money or how much you can save depends where you live as well.
But don't worry OP. The real world will hit you eventually and you'll realize that people and things aren't as cookie cutter as you've been taught. Good luck, dude.
Why do I see so many people that think a business degree is this great degree. You do realize that ANY job you can get with a business degree, you can get with a history, english, etc degree. Only a specialized business degree like finance/accounting is worth something.
your value of money and stability definitely holds true but you're missing a lot of context here
future isnt set in stone nor is doing something for the money going to get you where you think you want to be
slaving your ass 40+ hrs (more like 50-60 when you're starting off) in a job you hate is a sure recipe for disaster
hell, i genuinely like my job but there are days where its can't be fucked, i can't imagine having that feeling every day
you'll see this when you're older, that's all we're saying. you can argue as much as you want but this is a lesson only time can teach you
>the sole factor that decides whether one gets a job is their degree
we recently hired a kid with 1 yr xp over 4-5 yr people, ill let you brainstorm as to why that would be the case
Your focusing too much on the major, which is a big reason why so few people have jobs. When it comes to generic office jobs and the like, its how you market yourself. Somebody who is friendly, energetic, and points out their strong points will be looked at more favorably than someone who points to a degree and says "gimme job".
This is such a problem these days though. So many people go into stem purely to get a job. Many people in the field of science, medicine, etc who made major contributions were not rich and successful. But they either loved their research o loved helping others. Now STEM is getting over saturated with shills that will go into the private industry and say smoking is good for you if you pay them enough. Its disgusting.
> Geez, you guys are the ones being unrealistic
So tell us again how a 19 year old is more knowledgeable about degrees and careers than 30 year olds who have been in the job market for years?
Well tbh a lot of people majored in something such as History, Fine Art or Biology because that was the best course they could get into. Some don't even give a shit about their grades at uni.
Ok, so what happens if everyone who once desired to major in their interests, decides to pursue a "demanded" field like pharmacy, medical or computer science?
What happens is soon enough those fields become overly competitive and you have graduates in THOSE fields with jobs in retail.
Demands are finite and when they're filled, everyone left without a job has to find scraps elsewhere. I can say for certain the american job field works this way and it's pretty sad.
Theoretically we should have availability in every field, with retiring employees and advances in all departments but the housing crises, recession, budgeting issues and a general apathy towards fields seen as "fluff" have created a vacuum in some places and overflow in others
Nice try Tristan ;)
But really your argument is this
>all rich people major in law and medicine and become dr/lawyers
>all other majors are poor
And my personal favorite:
>Work is not meant to be fun.
Gee Op, you come across someone who works in research for peanuts but genuinely loves what they do and is leaving behind a legacy of knowledge for the rest of the human race, but all you see is that they're poor so they must be secretly unhappy.
You strike me as someone who wouldn't make it through law or med school. Hell, I bet you couldn't even do a Ph.D in Gender Studies.
This. If you're not going to a top 5 Law School (or have nepotism connections) then you're basically buying a $100,000 piece of paper.
Canada is the only place where it makes sense to go to Law School right now
Graduated from McGill with less than 10K in debt and multiple offers to article Ottawa. So nice.
You have to really want to work in law. The first couple years are absolutely grueling, 60-70 hour weeks with compensation that really isn't proportional at all. (And the schedule only gets worse from there, from the pay starts to catch up)
I loved law school. I love the practice of law. I've worked on cases that got to the Supreme Court, and have actually forced parliament to amend the criminal code.
I wouldn't recommend it to most people though. There are jobs that pay better with less onerous schedules.
3 years ago I've made the decision to drop out of college in order to pursuit something outside the job market, which I always hated. Something that I really loved and could be happy, because I think it's a waste of time to live life doing things that you don't want to do.
So I became a writer, and I'm doing fine, now. Money comes naturally, I don't even notice.
I thought it was bullshit when I was younger, but there is truth on that saying that you should only do what you like.
just because i'm smart enough to pass all those chem classes doesnt mean i fucking want to. lol
nah life is not about income...its about doing something you actually have an interest in.
and i have ZERO interest in working 70hrs a week with patients lol
How can you get a job with so many Business majors applying though?
Agreed. Still, finding a nice job after those degrees is easier than majoring in sometging such as German.
I am not eveb disvussing money here. Every job sucks in their own ways. I an certain research is more stressful than Dentistry. For a start, if they cut your funding, you are doomed. You supervisor/colleagues may be shit and talk behind your back. Having no results for several months or years also suck.
Makes sense. Law is good.
I bet this is a troll
I've known enough people who pursued their passions and failed.
Yes, being a doctor is stressful, but dentists/physiotherapists have it much easier!
>not discussing money
>the OP's argument was that people who are able to should become doctors for the money even if they don't like it.
Do you need advice or are you just here to vent?
because then everyone would be an actuary and we'd be right back here talking about it.
People catch on to demand pretty quick. It's not a fix to the problem, problem being imbalance of jobs to workers because of the economy.
What I mean is, your chances of finding a good job after a degree in Acturial Science is way higher than History.
How many people can actually earn a living via the creation of memes?
my coworker has a degree in physics
>tfw we work in a dog kennel for 15/hr if donations are good that year
>literally ever med tech job is oversaturated
Vet tech isn't B)
but in all honesty I'm very content with my job right now because I really enjoy the work, but getting more money to do similar things once I'm certified will be perfect
You've clearly never found something you enjoy studying OP. I would never study medicine or law beside that stuff is boring as shit to me, but psychology and languages are 2 things I find very interesting. I would rather receive a low wage and spend 9-5 every day doing something I like than receive a lot of money only to have fun on the weekends.
>I'm very content with my job right now
> we work in a dog kennel for 15/hr if donations are good that year
But you might not even find a job you like, and your might be romanticizing your dream job.
Hello, this is my first post ever in 4chan...
Isn't there a way to kickout OP from his very own post? This is ridiculous, I mean, I understand that this thread's purpouse is to HELP OP but he is just irrationally clung to his arguments (if you can call that 'Medicine or Law is the ultimate job' shit an argument). I honestly respect every answer given to him, I just can't stand OP's attitude. He don't deserve you, guys.
Just to answer to OP myself: You can become a doctor, screw it up with a patiend and go to jail for several years; you can become a lawer, get a good job and develop cancer and die young or be hited by a car after your first day of job. My point is, you are not God to tell anyone's future. You cannot consider your 10 or 100 shitty major examples as statistically significant to extrapolate it to every person in the world. You don't even have a degree, please, try to be successfull first in order to give the receip for the perfect life.
Here in Mexico you can become a politican and live like a king keeping the money of the citizens for yourself, or become a drug dealer and harm as much people as you need in order to make money and power. I'm a mechanic engineer since the current year and I consider my job at the Academia not as profitable as it could be in the industry but I am studying a master degree at the same time and I like to help the community of my university. I am Married with a doctor, she is specializing in surgeon pathology, my both parents are doctors and I cannot hate more that profession (my older syster tried to study medince btw). I won't explain myself any longer. I just hope OP keep lurking, as the Internet Rule says.
PS: Money is the root of all evil.
PS2: Sorry for bad english.
Lo siento para mi malo espanol.
I started learning Spanish and I do love learning Spanish, but it's not like I can find a job with it! It's like those smart people who go major in something such as Anthropology. Just because they enjoy studying doesn't mean they can find a job afterwards!
I pretty much need a degree just to have a degree. I have a lot of work experience in a specialized field, but worked for a shitty employer with no benefits and crazy hours.
I've had multiple offers from great companies that have basically said "come back with a degree and you've got the job," so I'm now a 29 year old college freshman.
>Isn't there a way to kickout OP from his very own post?
Topkek. No, there is not. Unless OP is doing something actually against the rules. Then you can report the post. Not liking someone's attitude isn't enough. If it was, there'd be bans left and right until no one was left on 4chan. Or one person was left after banning everyone else.
I'm a mother fucking preschool teacher. I graduated with an OP 1 (Ausfag) and could have easily done whatever I wanted, a doctor yes, but that isn't what I want. Both my siblings graduated with like an OP 10 and 12 and became lawyerfags and they love it and make ez 100k and I'm happy for them but it ain't for me. I love every single day of my job even when it gets hectic. Money isn't important to me as long as I get enough to have a roof over my head and to be able to eat something under than rice and beans. I'm happy to do this for the rest of my life because I've found the job that I love. My siblings believe their work is fun and love it and I also love my job just as much.
>I've found the job that I love
And you are not lying?
I think a lot of people lie about enjoying work. Work is not meant to be fun, all jobs become monotonous and boring over time, and a lot of bosses and managers are shit and feel entitled to criticize you as they are the ones writing your paycheck.
I thought it was impossible though. A lot of people pointed out how nobody is entitled to a fun job, all jobs are stressful in their own ways, it is more important to find a job which pays the bills as money is needed for survival and retirement.
Of course all jobs are stressful. My silly 50k job is stressful but doesn't stop me from loving it as a whole. Life itself is a cluster of stress, there isn't a win win situation with that and stress isn't bad. Stress is healthy.
Money is needed for survival and retirement, you're right about that. But I'd rather not live at all if I'm forcing myself to do something I hate just for the $$$.
Stress in moderation is healthy. Of course having an overload of stress and not knowing what to do is not good but stress is a part of life. It's not so easy to force yourself to like something.
Yeah, but some jobs these people picked are stressful as fuck. For example, doing research as a linguist is stressful as if you don't have enough results, they will cut your funding and you will have no income. Having no money sucks! Someone will end up with a stable job, but tenured posts are becoming less common and chances are it will not be you.
Oh, and it's hard to find a job after a PhD unrelated to research as you are overqualified for everything else.
Well if it was easy, then we'd all do it!
except bad job opportunities does not mean working 9-5 and making less money, it means you are unlikely to get even a minimal wage job in your field and more likely to end up stacking boxes. This is much further from your dream than something that may be kinda OK to do but in a good field.
trust me, i've stacked boxes and I'm in a mid-tier field.
it's a non-profit humane society, which is what I've wanted to do. no matter what position it isn't the most high paying, but it's enough to live happily for now and I like feeling fulfilled by my work.
>Why do some people major in stuff such as Physics, Music, Anthropology, etc when their grades are good enough for medicine?
If everybody majored in medicine, then 99% of med students would wind up working at starbutts for a cup of coffee an hour. Even with things the way they are now, a typical licensed contractor makes more money in his lifetime than a typical MD. The contractor will drive a better car, fuck more women, go on more vacations, spend more hours sleeping, and swallow less shit from his boss.
Did you come here for advice?
>If everybody majored in medicine, then 99% of med students would wind up working at starbutts for a cup of coffee an hour
No. Only a certain number of people are adnitted into Medicine each year.
Although I mostly agree with your point, medicine in clapistan is quite flexible and not everything you said is always true
Plastics and derm bring in serious cash
>fuck more women
It's incredible how easily pussy can be moistened by "Dr. anon"
essentially 100% true
>more hours sleeping
Unless you leave practice to shill pharmaceuticals, very true
>swallow less shit from his boss
untrue if you run your own practice, otherwise very true
Every person I know who studied med or just graduated and is doing residency hates their fucking lives.
Enjoy no vacation time and minimal personal time for about 5-10 years before you get a stable position.
No way, nothing like that. the HS I work with had two shelters, the one I'm at deals with a lot of stray/abandoned animals as well as seized custody animals (abuse/neglect, safekeep if the owner is in the hospital/jail, and Potentially Dangerous Dogs while they await all the BS in court to be sorted out, etc)
I had the marks to do medicine straight out of high school. Didn't, because spending 80% of my day dealing with old people and having no life until I become an attending at like 29 at the very least just didn't appeal to me.
Majored in chemistry, worked for a bit, might go back and study for law in a year or two.
I had the entry requirements for medicine (UK) but wasn't interested in dedicating my life to saving human beans because there are already a lot of them so I applied for biology instead. What's so bad about that?
What will you do when the cut your fubding? Become a Neet?
Research is stressful as you will not have any money if there is no funding. Finding a permanent job post is also very competitive.
You can also do research with a Pharmacy degree.