>>734359 >Why does /asp/ recommend Kyokushin karate as a good striking style when it doesn't even train for punches to the head? There is more to good striking than punches to the head.
>What does it have that Muay Thai doesn't? Bare-knuckle striking. Different techniques to accomplish the same thing in a different way. Also, its offshoots add practical kata and rudimentary grappling.
>>734359 > What does it have that Muay Thai doesn't? 1) Fancy Japanese dress. 2) Useless katas take 80% of training process 3) Absence of clinching, head punching and elbows and any effective technique in general. 4) Useless prods in the chest. 5) 'Spiritual' faggy betas thinking all this shit will prevent them from bulling in school. Used to train kyokushin for 3 years
Honestly to me kyokushin's value lies in it's practitioners.
Next time you're at your local MMA club doing MT notice the quality contingent. Most likely it's tattooed trashy dudes in their late 20's early 30's, some of them with aggression issues. These are not the people I wish to be around.
Call me what you will, but I find I gain more value out of something I actually enjoy, and people are a big part of it
>>734373 > Useless katas take 80% of training process Some kyokushin schools regard them as dancing. > 'Spiritual' faggy betas thinking all this shit will prevent them from bulling in school. Im about as spiritual as an iPhone and Im an adult
>>734373 Thats too bad you wasted so much time but not all kyokushin schools are like that. You should spend minimal time on katas and punches to the chest should hurt like a bitch, not be useless prods. Did your school even compete?
>>734392 That completely varies from gym to gym. I spent five years training and eventually teaching muay thai in a gym in one of the wealthiest areas in England, everyone was super nice and friendly and we had three guys who actually competed (two still do) at a very high level nationally. And then on the flip side, if I drive half an hour in the other direction there's another muay thai gym I've trained at a few times which is in a fucking shit hole, they do kids classes and the way some of those parents spoke to their children disgusted me. While I agree to some degree that you'll get more dickheads at an MMA gym than a tai chi class, it also depends on the established membership, people surround theselves with likeminded people, and if a dickhead goes to a gym filled with nice people they just won't fit in, regardless of the art.
>>734405 While i have to agree that the muay thai kick has an edge over the kyokushin roundhouse kick, i think kyokushin body conditioning is a lot better. Kyokushin is by far the more painful martial art out of the two.
>>734407 >people surround theselves with likeminded people Depends on the people, actually. Our internet social group(s) bond us (in some ways), but we're certainly not all very like minded people. Please be mindful in the future about how psychology is a valid scientific field of study, and can overrule personal experience and commonly held beliefs by people who don't study scientific psychology.
I did Kyokushin for about 5 years. It's all about the gym. Most of the reputable gyms have a direct connection to an international sanctioning body that keeps a relatively tight grip on the training regime. For instance, all the IKO1 gyms are structurally part of the same organization as the Hombu in Japan. To promote past 2nd dan, you need to go to Japan and take a promotion test in front of Shokei Matsui. IKO and it's splinter organizations produces fighters like Judd Reid, current heavy weight champ for the WKO:
Unfortunately, for whatever reason, Kyokushin made strong inroads beyond the Japanese enclaves in California, Hawaii, and New York. For instance, there are a grand total of 7 IKO1 gyms in the US, 5 of which are in Southern California, and 4 of which are in Los Angeles.
Kyokushin (canonically) doesn't train head punches, so it's not the best example, but leaving that aside, what training do you think is going to make you better at self defense but not better at winning matches?
Let's add the condition that it has to be something you CAN train with aliveness, so that leaves out all the eyeball poking and throat chopping that you can't practice without enrollment at your gym being cut in half every practice session due to the death or severe injury of your classmates.
There are some valid answers here of course. It's not a trick question. I would say for instance that if the win or scoring conditions for the type of competition you're training for are not similar to the win conditions for a fight or self defense situation, then you're de-training yourself. This was my experience in sport karate, which encourages participants to game the system by scoring light, tapping, uncommitted touches or overcommit to a touch like in the superman punch, where as long as you touched the other guy first it didn't matter if he knocked your helmet off afterwards.
But in the respected martial arts here on /asp/, the things you do to win a competition will win you a fight or get you out of a self defense situation as well. A punch in the face is as good on the street as it is in the boxing ring. An knee to the liver wins you a knockdown karate match or a bar fight. An ippon throw wins a judo match and does unspeakable things to a guy on the sidewalk. Training to do those things in competition is going to allow you to do them in self defense.
I'm interested in whether anybody has examples of counterproductive practices from alive martial arts that haven't already been brought up ad nauseum.
First and foremost: reflexes and the ability to do damage very fast and precise.
If you drill a technique (in self defense courses) you know the theoretical way to do that technique. But if you apply it against an moving opponent you have to be much better, you learn to read your opponents movements, you learn how much power you actually need to make a technique work.
That's why many people that never sparred overestimate their techniques, because they don't know that people don't just magicall drop dread from a simple punch.
I'm not saying that stuff that Aikido or Krav Maga can't work in a street fight - just because you are used to stop your punches doesn mean you can't punch through. But a competing sport (especially with full contact) will grant that you have more experience in choosing the right amount of power and the right targets and so on..
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