Why is cp legal when it´s a comic? Should hentai be forbidden? No offend, just askin´...
probably has something to do with drawings of naked girls not actually hurting any girls.
(maybe its bad for the people looking at it but thats beside the point.)
also there will always be a grey area where someone can draw a girly woman and pass it of as a woman.
ok, but isn´t it kind of a support/promote for cp though? and ppl that fap to cp drawings would take their chance in real life if they had one (I guess). It´s weird, I mean, they´re fapping to the imagination of fucking a child. That cannot be correct
good point. gloryfying a crime is the grey area someone else just pointed out I guess. but depending on where you live, there are thought crimes absolutely. afaik, in Germany you can get punished by denying holocaust or just by drawing a swastika
maybe so, but if there were laws made against the production of images showing naked girls of any kind of even just in sexual contexts, then there would be a problem to do with the grey area i mentioned, the censorship of art/free sheech, and the people that looked at the pics would simply take manga classes to make their own pics.
capitalist rulemaking works between two margains
you have to make laws in a way that makes profit, but also in a way that people dont overthrow the law making system
most people dont know about loli and it doesn take or make money, so nobody bothered to make a law about it, however if you make a video where you fuck a toddler, daddy's gonna riot
I guess orphan cp would have been okay in the past but nowdays people are viewing it as a taboo
I fap to hentai, including loli. I like the concept, that's as far as it goes; I've never been even slightly attracted to little girls. In the end, all it is, is art, ink and pencil on paper.
may I ask where you´re from? that´s exactly what I think it should be treated. and I wondered that it obviously isn´t (in most places). I just don´t understand that ppl that would cut off a pedos dick, accept those drawings. for me there´s no difference. as I stated before, some1 who´s fapping to these pics, would take their chance in RL
I have the right to reject anything that hurt my beliefs. Pedos using drawings as an excuse to be pedophile is NOT acceptable. They should be jailed or executed the same way other pedos are!
While in might not be correct in society's eyes who is it really hurting? The same guy who thinks about fucking a kid isn't going to stop because there are is no loli porn, they're probably more likely to go rape a small child because you took away their only outlet.
Yea well, i think authoritarian stupid fascistic faggots like you should be executed. See the problems arising there? You may think you are on the winning side, just like the palestinian do, but you likely are sadly mistaken
So where you do you draw the line?
What if a guy makes his own doodles of kids and jerks off on them? Should he also be jailed?
What if some artists lay out 20 drawing of cp in front of him, starting with stick figures and each getting more realistic looking until 20 is standard hentai... where do you decide which ones are worth a man losing his freedom over and which are just pencil marks on paper?
I think this free speech argument is just a cover for pedos. if you ban something and make it illegal, of course some ppl would give a shit and get their stuff anyway. but that´s no arguement either.
Using your retarded logic, everyone who likes to watch violent movies likes to kill, who watch rape porn like to rape in real life (true in some cases), and those who watch documentaries about cannibalism are cannibals themselves.
Same thing with violent videogames. This argument is always made, but if you think loli glorifies and promotes child porn, doesn't GTA glorify and promote theft and murder?
depends on the country you live in faggot.
>why legal ?
nobody gets hurt by comic cp.
>should it forbidden ?
Really i don't care. But you fucking idiots
forbid something and then you fucking forbid
even more. So no, keep it legal.
Child porn is/should be illegal because it harms the children in it.
Fictional children cannot be harmed because they're fictional.
Therefore fictional CP (lolicon, shotacon, written stories, etc.) shouldn't be illegal.
I didn't mean they don't exist in reality, I meant according to the philosophies the western societies are founded upon they don't exist. The ones that exist are exceptions, like how the jews were exceptions. Nothing has really changed after the second world war. I see this in my own country, how propaganda and nationalism blinds people into war and hate.
No, murder requires a person with foresight you daft pile of shit. If I left a gun with one round on a table facing a person, would it kill them? No, it wouldn't. If I drew a gun, colored it, made it pretty, could that hurt people? Nope.
And yes, any drawing or sketch is art, or is that concept difficult for you to grasp?
pedos are a minority, if their rights get taken away not alot of people are going to protect them, only the brave will. Because they might be called a pedo themselves. That's what 'home of the brave' means.
its called loli OP
its not CP fbi is going to throw millions of people in prison for 25 years just for saving fictional loli children being abused on their computer when they can go after real offenders seriously the fbi is not going to waste their time and resources on stupid loli shit they're too busy doing their jobs hunting down wanted criminals
There were a couple cases in new jersey and new york that (for an unrelated charges) they checked their computers and found loli, tried to prosecute for possession of cp, and was dismissed the same day/day after those charges were filed.
True enough, I'm not entirely sure if they were the ones who did the searches or just got involved when the charges were filed. Either way, they failed and it isn't illegal.
The only countries I think it's illegal in are Canada and Sweden
It's a free speech issue. Banning people from drawing pictures is not something we want to start doing.
Did you know that in America 30 % of man and 40 % of woman remembe having been sexually molested during childhood.
That's why Amerifags need laws against that kind of stuff. Because they all fucked up.
Doesnt it cross your mind that a guy getting it out of his system over drawings may be saving actual children?
PIcture your perfect little world where no hentai exists. Pedos are still gonna be pedo. There's no off switch just because he has no cp/hentai. So to outlaw it might just lead to these frenzied monsters that then do go out and act on their urges because they have no safer outlet for it.
How are they children? Do they live, have a mother, experience school, get bullied? No. Because it's a drawing. On paper.
Retards these days, I swear. And OP, stop hiding behing heaven already.
look i can see where your coming from but stop assuming that these people who enjoy weird fringe porn on the internet are in it for the kids. its socially not normal to look at kids sexually. so maybe these people want socially unnaceptable porn,not just kidporn.
>implying you pedos wouldn't rape a child if you had the opportunity
The only thing saving the actual children from you is the simple fact that both of you are over 30yo beta neckbeard failure living in mom's basement.
> just turned 18
> in college living at home so not to pay an extra 12k a year for board
> not a single house in my city has a basement due to being at sea level
Of course, because I like drawings I'm going to go and screw a bunch of small children. You must have the brain capacity of a broom.
Op, quit being a pussy and hiding already.
I can't say that i would lose any sleep if they started to put these people in prison, save for the fact that people are so willing to except "thought crime" as a punishable offense. That scares me.
lol transparent damage controlling is transparent
Easy to change an ID, or there's just a hivemind of SJW now on /b/
>Tries to debate
>Loses like the retard he is
>"It's damage-control time!"
>Responds to tone
Stop trying so hard, pedo-san!
this is what faggots do when they've lost. Just resort to chanspeak or memes and hope people forget their failure quickly.
cmon, throw in more buzzwords. We're all jelly, butthuirt, fedoras, autism.
Faggot has no argument left in him, only namecalling and memes. He lost.
>being so new
>being so butthurt
>trying so hard
You seem to be pretty upset. You should take it easy. No amount of your crying over people who are highly unlikely to have raped any child are saving children getting raped everywhere in the world.
>being this assanahiliated
Social stigma changed to accommodate the mandatory schooling after the first child labor laws were passed; so instead of marrying at 13-16, it's 18.
So an adult is 18 now, instead of 13 or so like the last few milenea.
I´m not calling for criminalizing thoughts. to call it just "thoughts" doesn´t really fit here. if you plan to rob a bank and you get busted for this, would you argue like "it was just in my thoughts"? I would call you a bank robber, even if you failed to do. I mean, what are "thoughts"? they are basically YOU and what you are. so if you imagine fucking kids and this imagination attracts you, you´re a fucking pedo, so simple is that
can we open cp in photoshop and add comic filter a few times to make it legal?
I dont think its as simple as that. What if I have already decided that despite being pedo I dont want to hurt a child and wreck a life and I know I never will for my entire life.
So Im either:
A. jerking off with my eyes closed thinking of kids
B. jerking off to drawing of kids
If youre saying people should be jailed for B, then why is A any different? And if you jail for A, you are being the thought police.
cp is illegal because of the harm done to kids.
if hentai included at any point in its production harm to kids then it would be illegal too.
but the fact is that its just people drawing out their depraved fantasies.
It's illegal in sweden. But yeah laws are made to protect people, there's no victim if you draw girls so it should not be illegal. Some countries like sweden has just gone all the way and created thought crimes - they fantasize about crime so they are criminals.
Most loli doesn't even look like kids. Kids don't have eyes the size of flying saucer or pink and green hair. The realistic looking lilo is gross anyway. Kids are gross for that matter. Fucking diaper smell mixed with pee is not sexy, it's disgusting.
It is funny because I thought you were the one trying to contain the damage in this post:>>558486101
I also think you're the pedophile here, since you want to project your own image on everyone.
well anyway, thank you /b/ for participating in this thread. I think I got the picture now.
Ppl dreaming, drawing and visualizing to have sex with children are just doin 'arts'. indeed, they´re advocates for freedom, both of speech and in thought. Thanks once again and stay safe Pedos!
I'd like the anti hentai fags to show me one single example or citation of a real life case where a busted pedo had loli hentai, or claimed it caused or encouraged his behavior. Seriously, go find fucking one example, instead of just your fucking feelings.
You could theorize roses give birth to bees also, but without any example of it having ever actually happened, all you have is theory.
While it isnt' technically NOT child porn, it's not illegal, because the portrayal of characters is part of freedom of expression, and however they choose to draw the characters in the porn is their choice. They could draw somebody looking like a baby fucking somebody looking like an 80 year old man, and say they're both 24, and nobody can argue differently because the person who drew it is the final authority. Very few loli pics or comics actually state that the girl is a child because that would make it ACTUAL child porn. Unless they state that it's a child, it's legal.
Because modern legalism is based off Mill's libertarian princple of harm, whereas laws concern themselves with actions that bring harm upon third parties and not the author of the action.
In other words, a pedophile having sex with a kid is harming the kid, a pedophile masturbating to loli hentai is hurting no one.
I don't know about you, but I tend to refrain from it.
Hell, when I have my niece sit on my lap and I pat her head I get a boner. I try to stay away from the loli as much as possible. I don't even know if that's a normal reaction or what. Am I easily aroused..?
Oh, good. I mean, I never have sexual thoughts about my niece. I love her as an uncle would.
Oh, that pleases me even more. It's been happening when the cat sits on my lap as well.
I read a book explaining an experiment where shrinks attached electrodes to a bunch of guys' dicks who were normal, straight, adult non pedos. When the men were shown pictures of naked children, even though they expressed not being sexually aroused by them and didnt boner, the equipment measured at least some trace activity in almost all the men's junk.
I did not call for anyone to get jailed. I asked what the difference is between someone like you and someone really doing what you are dreaming of. and it seems, that the only difference is, if your thoughts lead you to take action. but in your head your actually both sick fucks.
Evidently OP fucking fails at samefagging.
Sure is summer in this thread.
I've never molested my cat!
She just sits on by lap, and does her kneading of my clothing, her claws only lightly touching my skin. Then, she does a single turn, and nudges her head under my hand, insisting I pet her. I only comply, and then as I pet her she looks at me straight in the eyes, pressing her nose and head against my chest.
It's really weird.
>H lolis are real cp
>Fights in comic books are real assault and battery
I'm nearly 100% sure any pedophile who is ready and willing to molest a child has real cp anyway. Not loli comics.
Do you really think banning some comics is going to stop anything? Really? I could be wrong, but I'll willing to guess the number of men who went from normal sexuality to pedophilia all because of loli comics is pretty close to 0
I think jerking off to loli and similar type of hentai shit is just ONE STEP from being a pedophile, actually.
Not that I really care if you do it or not.
Of course I know the difference, but saying you'll accept one and not the other is fucking hypocritical. You don't have to LIKE both, but accepting both is a different story. Retard.
I thought you are done with this thread.
I've seen worse.
It is legal in the united states. Protected under 1st amendment. There have been arrests before but only 1 person went to jail just for lolicon. And he was in the Marines. Which have different rules/laws. Every other prosecution, actual CP was discovered with the lolicon
All things considered, she would be older at this point in time if she aged normally from the date she was first created. And therefore it would be legal.
As for being a faggot, you're the only faggot I see around here, sageing like the little bitch that you are.
Its ok. I think we all learned something today. Or not