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We aren't allowed to say it though. All the oil will be Scotland's, there will be a currency union, we'll join the EU straight away with no problems, everything will be absolutely fine and anybody who says otherwise or asks any difficult questions is just trying to bully Scotland.
Look at that guy above, reckons we "service the UK for free". Fucking fantasy world.
>>560546549 we'll join the EU straight away with no problems
This is the funniest one to me, anyone who thinks that will happen is out of their fucking mind, Spanish will veto it, French will as well they've both got tiny states trying to do the same shit and they don't want to encourage them.
Ah but apparently we won't even have to apply. You know, because Scotland's in it now so the EU couldn't possibly just kick people out.
People who just voted to become a completely new country. That changes nothing. Obviously.
It's like this shite about the Pound, the Queen, arts founding, defence contracts etc. If you vote to become independent, you vote to become independent. You don't just get to keep all the bits of the old country that you like.
Salmond is a cunt but it doesn't matter anyway because he's going to lose.
The main reason why? Voter apathy. When it comes to actually voting, a tenth of the people that are for or against will vote. Everyone loves to support a side, but when it comes down to actually doing something about it, no one gives a haggis.
No we fucking won't, that's not how the world works, we can't just have everything we want. The ENTIRE UK discovered that oil. Just because we throw our fucking dummy out doesn't mean we get everything we want.
FUCK I HATE LOWLANDERS
>You're practically fucking English if you're below Fort William. >So fuck off ruining my country.
everyone seems to fucking forget that the scottish councils are struggling already, they receive their funding from a European union scheme and as soon as we go independent we get 'kicked' from the union and lose that funding meaing our councils which are already strugling at the moment will probably just fail like everything else in scotland. So no to independence.
Honestly don't give a shit. They won't last very long without the UK though, IIRC they won't be able to use the £ as currency. Also have the most annoying accent in Britain (although it's very close with the Welsh)
>>560549114 I think we will keep most of it. Oil has also been discovered off the west coast of scotland but the MOD stopped further drilling because the nuclear submarines were based there. That's why the SNP wnats rid of the UK's nuclear weapons.
Scotland also is rapidly growing in renewable energy, we have tons of wind and wave power and soon we will energy independent.
>>560547056 I live in the lowlands and most people I know are against it. Being closer to the border means are lives are affected greatly if this changes, if you want support I wouldn't go around upsetting people.
>>560545142 Well let's see. >Possible border control needed, passport required to enter England. >Change of currency with uncertain rates. >Limited resources with the North Sea Oil running out sooner than expected. >Tariffs placed on trades due to not being within the EU. >Uncertain economical outcome. >Deciding how much of the UK's debt Scotland would be given. >Deciding who gets to keep the Nuclear arsenal. >Dividing up the armed forces.
>Spend scottish tax money on Scotland. >No more nukes in the clyde.
Those two reasons alone are enough to make me vote yes.
Also, for all the cunts saying "voting yes is a vote for alex salmond" is like saying "voting no is a vote for david cameron". It's bigger than both of them and I certainly know which one is the lesser of two evils.
International law dictates any natural resources discovered BEFORE partition must be shared. If that oil was known to be there before partition regardless of whether they drilled for it or not, it belongs equally to England as well as Scotland based on the population. Which is 5m to 50m might I add.
Not only that, the biggest petitioners against wind energy in the UK are the Scottish. I personally hate seeing wind turbines, they ruin the beautiful landscape we have, so I very much doubt we will be energy dependent unless we use solar panels, which is cheaper than wave power. Yet we still won't be able to afford those, where would we get our grants from now? Scotland on its own makes very little in tax compared to the funds we get from the British Government as a whole.
The thing that annoys me the most is Orkney and Shetland. They both petitioned the Scottish government to not include them in the referendum because they want to remain with the UK regardless of Scottish independence. And yet the Scottish Government said no because they are traditionally part of Scotland. Poor bastards.
It literally is only the anti-English, dolites, uneducated or 16 year olds who want independence here. Fuck Alex Salmond, he doesn't speak for me.
It's more one mans dream than one countries dream.
AND he looks like Mr. Toad from Wind in the Willows.
I am masturbating to your posts, imagining you in your grey, decrepit house furiously posting about How Terrible Lowland Scots Are as the two-weekly ferry, docks with the only income your shitty village is going to get all year arrives in the form of fat American tourists waddling off the walkway
>under-representation in European Parliament >1 Tory seat and a Tory coalition >little/no grants from westminister for public services, meanwhile london underground and birmingham superfast train get multi billion dollar grants immediately >chance of going from a respectable 44% renewable energy to an even higher number >trident nuclear submarines decommisioned and sent back to England >already have functioning parliament that will only attain more freedom after split The only people who want to stay are either misinformed or afraid of change, even when that change will increase our democratic power
I had a stopover in Scotland once. The cabin crew suggested we all go out and club it. I had no option. It was that or one of their B&Bs. I figured it'd be safer on the streets. For the first time ever I saw the Scotch in their natural habitat, and it weren't pretty. I'd seen them huddling in stations before, being loud but… this time I was surrounded. Everywhere I went it felt like they were watching me; fish-white flesh puckered by the Highland breeze; tight eyes peering out for fresh meat; screechy, booze-soaked voices hollering out for a taxi to take 'em halfway up the road to the next all-night watering hole. A shatter of glass; a round of applause; a sixteen-year-old mother of three vomiting in an open sewer, bairns looking on, chewing on potato cakes. I ain’t never going back… not never.
>>560550195 >Possible border control needed, passport required to enter England. >Change of currency with uncertain rates. >Limited resources with the North Sea Oil running out sooner than expected. >Tariffs placed on trades due to not being within the EU. >Uncertain economical outcome. >Deciding how much of the UK's debt Scotland would be given. >Deciding who gets to keep the Nuclear arsenal. >Dividing up the armed forces.
Border control wont be needed you dolt, That's already been argued to death.
The currency thing isnt going to change either, Do you think for a fucking second you are going to walk down to your local supermarket and they'll go "sorry we cant take those, Scotland doesnt use pounds anymore, we dont know what we use" As for the EU thing, Spain and France have alraedy agree'd they would let us in, so whatever fuckwith said they would veto is retarded.
Also, russia invited us to join their economic union since "we have oil" so fuck the eu.
>>560550968 >implying Alex Salmond thinks all of scotland wants independance >implying 40% of Scotland who polled Yes don't exist Tbh renewable energy isnt that much of an issue, we already are well above the UK average. The real issue is how our democracy is broken due to our votes barely counting in any Parliamental Election. We have the same amount of EMPs as Malta, and we are over 10 times the population size of Malta. Its gross misrepresentation in seats of power that makes me want to vote and make a difference but cant.
>under-representation in European Parliament European Parliament seats won't change, it's based on population. You have a serious misunderstand on EU politics, and you seem to think that the UK chooses your representation.
>1 Tory seat and a Tory coalition That's how politics works in all countries, there are always areas that don't have the party they voted for. It's called democracy. If we get independence and I vote Scottish Labour and SNP get in, I am still underrepresented. Fuckwit.
>little/no grants from westminister for public services, meanwhile london underground and birmingham superfast train get multi billion dollar grants immediately We get free university education and college education, free prescription, free dental services. All supplied by the UK. We get 20% of all the UK's tax money spent on us, despite having less than 10% of the population. We're doing pretty fucking good mate.
>trident nuclear submarines decommisioned and sent back to England This provides jobs for Scotland. We are voting for Independence, not the fucking Scottish Green Party.
>already have functioning parliament that will only attain more freedom after split Having an elected leader that is willing to destroy a country after 400 years of union just to boost his power and self-esteem is not a functioning parliament.
People who want to stay are informed and not edgy little faggot 16 year olds like yourself.
>>560550195 >implying Scotland won't immediately reapply to enter the EU and be accepted >implying we won't then go over to Euros or be allowed to keep the pound >border control we already have, just not at the border from England. You dont get border control in Ireland fuckface. >Division in armed forces already exists >implying alex salmond will be in power You stupid autist.
>>560553225 Also, the debt rate is decided by population so there is no "deciding how much we get papped with" it wont be anything in comparison to the test of the uk.
We dont want the nukes, at all. so the fact you're even suggesting that we would argue for the share shows how fucking little you actually understand about what's going on, if all no-voters are as ill-informed and fear mongeringly ignortant as you scotland is fucked either way.
And dont even get me started on the NHS, That shit is sinking and i dont want to go down with it.
>>560553225 >As for the EU thing, Spain and France have alraedy agree'd they would let us in, so whatever fuckwith said they would veto is retarded. >Also, russia invited us to join their economic union since "we have oil" so fuck the eu.
Presuming you were able to join the EU, they would block you from joining a trading union with Russia. Just like they blocked the UK from joining a trade union of commonwealth countries. You can only trade through the common market if you are a member.
This I think shows the mentality of a lot of pro independence people. They have an unrealistic viewpoint that is better than the best case scenario.
It reminds me of Obama and his hope and change campaign. When your entire campaign revolves around extreme optimism, reality can be quite a downer.
>>560553745 The russia thing was a semi-serious joke. I was showing the options, Since people were trying to point out that "ermergerd we'd be out the eu on our own" when really, that isnt the case. at all.
>>560553438 >EU seats wont change They will. We have 5.5 million population and only 6 seats, as we are considered a region. Thats the same as Malta, with a population of 500,000.
>tory seats Yes. And we vote who goes into those seats. So after a year or two we get the representation that the majority votes for. Fuckwit.
University education is payed for by the Scottish Government. Im talking big projects that London area is immediately granted and Wales/Scotland/Northern England is ignored.
Trident Nuclear submarines provide 520 jobs, which is a tiny amount. people with expertise can then find jobs in nuclear/renewable/non-renewable energy places. The majority of Scotland is against the submarines.
Its not to boost his power and self esteem. if anything, it will get him voted out of office if it fails which it looks like it will. Still, 40% of scotland agrees with him, with 12% undecided.
All of your points are filled with misinformation and logical holes.
>>560552307 You're the most undereducated fag in this thread
>Scotland guarenteed EU membership by new head of EU (The man David Cameron DIDN'T want) http://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/06/02/europeans-say-yes-independent-scotland-eu/
>Scotland to opt-out shengen area, no borders between Scotland and England (under common travel areas) http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2013/11/5894/16
>Scotland inelidigble for Adopting the EURO, defaults to KEEPING the already-in-use currency, GBP Sterling http://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/letters/solo-scotland-could-stay-out-of-the-euro-1-2610843
>an independent scotland has higher GDP per capital the the rUK excluding oil revenues
>oil revenues invested for growth of the public sector for scotland means when the oil runs out, a stable economy is established within scotland
>the NHS to be kept public >free prescriptions to carry on >tuition fees free for scottish citizens
>>560553983 I'm not bothered either way honestly, The fact that i live close enough to a nuclear base to die before i know something was wrong is sort of nice, But on the other hand they cose a fucking fortune to keep running, it's something un-major like 5000 jobs and the nuclear submarines use "shipping lanes" have oil in them, so we make money from not funding pointless nukes and make money from actually being able to mine the oil.
>>560553983 Been to visit one of the Trident submarines and saw the amount of workers there. Made me realise just how many jobs these projects provide. People who want to "get rid of the nukes" aren't looking at the bigger picture.
never listen to willie rennie, he's an absolute cunt, makes Salmond look like a god https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmx-KBTs-Ks
>The new President of the European Commission "would not want Scotland to be kept out" of the EU http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/news/283287-indy-scotlands-eu-membership-would-be-treated-as-special-case/
>>560554268 >Implying oil isn't extracted by huge multinational corporations. >Implying the Scottish people will get any money from the oil except VAT. >Implying the jobs created within the oil industry will all be taken by Scottish workers. >So many implications.
Of fucking course we should be independent! We have some of the most intelligent people on the planet here, we practically invented everything good in the world. Everyone on /b/ probably wouldn't even be alive if it wasn't for us scottish people inventing penicillin and antibiotics. We send all out money to the English to support them and they have the cheek to say a master race like us can't manage out own affairs? Fuck right off. The sooner we break away from those sponging girly voiced cunts, the better.
>>560560792 > scottish people inventing penicillin and antibiotics.
It was Florey, Chain and Heatley who developed penicillin for medical use. Fleming discovered some spores on a substrate had killed the surrounding bacteria, he didn't place the spores there, he didn't even know where they had come from and when he saw what they could do he used them to paint pictures on yet more substrate. Giving the Nobel prize to Fleming is yet more reason I hate the Nobel committee.
>stop implying that it would have been discovered without a Scotsman
I explicitly stated that Fleming discovered penicillin, what I objected to was you claiming that a Scott "invented" penicillin, seeing as how this doesn't make sense I assumed you meant inventing the process and methods by which penicillin was first used, which is false. Also it probably would have been discovered without Fleming, even he admits that it happened by chance, he almost destroyed it.
>Also, Google scottish inventions.
What has that go to do with the single point I raised?
>This is a typical nationalist with an over inflated sense of Scottish importance.
>>560564146 >>560563796 This dude too: Howard Walter Florey, Baron Florey of Adelaide OM FRS FRCP (24 September 1898 – 21 February 1968) was an Australian pharmacologist and pathologist who shared the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 1945 with Sir Ernst Boris Chain and Sir Alexander Fleming for his role in the making of penicillin.
>>560564146 You are literally retarded if you think that. That's like saying the man who invented the engine (another Scottish person btw) didn't have anything to do with it because bmw make a better one today. Go hang yourself from an English flag. The population of Scotland is tiny (there's 3 million more people in New York City alone) yet we invent antibiotics, the telephone, tv, fucking tyres, practically airplanes too, or at least developed working ones. Honestly go google it. Yet in your tiny little English mind, I bet you think you are better than us.
No We had the same situation here in Czechslovakia. We had a nice, big, strong country, at first everyone was happy, but after the split up in a year everyone realized that now only slovakia is a shithole
>>560565329 And you're literally retarded if you think that. When Baird (another Scott) developed the first TV he started from scratch and built up from there. Fleming discovered some spores identified them and then left all the work of figuring out how to put it to use to other people. Can you see how these two things are different, or has the Buckfast fucked your brain?
>>560566153 He discovered it and realised it had antibacterial properties. He then passed it on for further development. If he never discovered it and realised it could cure shit, it wouldn't have existed you bell end. Anyway my point is, the English can go fuck themselves, I want out.
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