Does consciousness end at death?
“Energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another.”
? Albert Einstein
Dirt can't think or feel. It doesn't have neurons or muscles.
It's just dirt.
Brain damage can take away ability to think and feel, so let's not bullshit about "energy".
We're meat and then we won't be.
I believe that we meld back into a different, singular, existence when we die. A sense of self and individuality is part of the experience of being human. It becomes unimportant when we leave our physical form. We have a fear of the unknown, therefore we assume that losing an individuality that has defined our experience as a physical being is a bad thing. However it is just a thing. It will happen and the fear of it is irrelevant. I feel that when you do die, you lose this fear and these feelings. You are able accept it as your natural state of being. I don't think there is any reason to focus on what happens after you die, because you will have a very long time to experience it. The time you have in this life is very limited so it is important to focus on living.
>we are not made of energy. we are made of carbon.
So it's carbon that allows the brain to function and transfer information.
Dayum, I need to go back to basic biology.
Energy can even be pulled from anywhere in the atmosphere given enough criteria is met. What energy is everywhere and invisible!!!
Consciousness is a collection of processes going on the brain. When those processes stop, consciousness stops too.
(The energy is not destroyed, but consciousness is. Lots of parts of consciousness will survive its death, e.g. the molecules that constitute it. To suppose that since some part of consciousness survives, conciousness must do as well, is a straightforward fallacy of composition.)
>(The energy is not destroyed, but consciousness is. Lots of parts of consciousness will survive its death, e.g. the molecules that constitute it. To suppose that since some part of consciousness survives, conciousness must do as well, is a straightforward fallacy of composition.)
energy itself is a consciousness lawls..since the source OF consciousness. Obviously not human esk you retarded neckbeared.
but but but energy can't be turned off...
lawls fedora fag
A book about consciousness and causation by Celia Green.
She is also author of The Human Evasion:
The energy from the body is used up/transferred through various ways ... The heat is the most obvious. The nervous system basically fries and defaults to protect your from unnecessary pain. So it completely ceases like 10 minutes after the brain is officially down.
I know you're trolling. But some of us have genuine trouble coping with the eternal darkness we all face. And by darkness I mean the period of lack of consciousness after our brain ceases to function. The eternal dreamless sleep we all face.
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There is no reason whatsoever to believe that energy in general is conscious.
But even if there was, it wouldn't help your view, since your consciousness is obviously produced by the brain.
>he heat is the most obvious
heat returns into kinetic/potential energy once transfer is over. Nigga go back to community college quit being me this bitch arguments.
>So it completely ceases like 10 minutes after the brain is officially down.
Yes silly child, heat energy ceases, not energy itself. topkek
>I know you're trolling.
Nah, I just love condescending the fedora dumbass on this website.
>lack of consciousness after our brain ceases to function. The eternal dreamless sleep we all face.
Nah, energy is it's own consciousness obviously not human esk as your fedora fag would have it defined by.
> general is conscious.
It is in it's energy characsteric way not in the way your fedora retard self tries to explain it based off.
>since your consciousness is obviously produced by the brain.
>energy is produced by the brain only
Lawls this fucking awesome
Just wanted to organize this persons post for other people's enjoyment.
>all the "lawls" and "topkeks".
Because this shit hilarious how retarded people are.
They're literally trying to argue against basic science.
12 years must infest this website.
Topkek faggots. Go back to your 7th grade bio class
This is an interesting book on the subject.
I know many fedoras who won't agree, but still covers most of the debate in a neutral way, even if the author does not agree with pseudo skeptics like james randi in his own conclusion at the end.
>Give someone who wants to think like a "philosopher" a piece of information and they will misunderstand the fuck out of it.
Nah it's all science. No philosophy.
Energy is consciousness because science says so and since you can'te refute laws of energy, it is!
Heat transfer is from the surrounding air and ground of the corpse you moron.
The nervous system energy I was talking about frying is how that energy is genuinely used. You're ignoring genuine facts. THe nervous system energy which produces our consciousness does not do whatever you believe it does. It does not get "absorbed into the air" or whatever you're trying to claim. It fries out.
Energy is not it's own consciousness that is moronic. Lightning does not have a consciousness and neither does fire.
>Heat transfer is from the surrounding air and ground of the corpse you moron.
Correct but heat energy transfer into other energy silly child. It does not stay in heat energy permanently. topkek
arguing with retards, winning the internet.
>. It does not get "absorbed into the air"
It has to since the air itself is energy. Wind is physical energy silly child but for wind to be created energy had to be pulled out.
>Lightning does not have a consciousness and neither does fire.
It does silly child, not just in the human defined consciousness.
please debate me more 12 year fedora fags
When you die all the heat is transferred from your body and all you're particles are broken down.
Therefore nothing is destroyed just redistributed. That means all the cells in your brain are gone so your consciousness is gone.
Oh my god, either you are literally autistic, or you are attempting to "troll". Either way, you are an autistic fuck and should go back to Reddit, where people might actually buy your bullshit.
Everyone else, ignore this guy. He's either too stupid to learn, or he's doing it on purpose. Either way, don't waste your time "debating" him.
You have a brain; a brain is a biological computational device running on electrochemical process. Your consciousness is an emergent property of said process. In other words: you are the electrochemical process.
Fundamentally you have experience of continuous existence. You are you, at this point in time. You have sensation of riding along this continuum of being you, into the future. On occasion brain can be subjected to trauma, temporarily discontinuing electrochemical process, such as a boxer being knocked out. As this occurs the brain is no longer running it's electrochemical generating process. Hence consciousness is lost. You lose consciousness. Pay attention now. At this point in time, your consciousness, all that is you, your continuum of being you has caused to exist in the physical world. Now, moments later, the electrochemical process may start up again, allowing consciousness to emerge out of the information stored in the brain.
But I wonder. Where are you in the meantime? Must we not assume that at the point when consciousness is lost, the person dies? If a new consciousness appears or not in the same brain is entirely inconsequential to the dead consciousness. The new consciousness is simply a new person.
Because it emerges from the same brain it has access to all the memories and cognitive structures. as the dead consciousness, so it thinks it is the same person, but in actuality it is just an impostor inheriting the body and brain from the previous, now dead, inhabitant.
>arguing with retards, winning the internet
>air itself is energy.
The air is the container for the energy.
>lightning has a consciousness
Escaping your ignorance and this thread nao.
Ofcourse it does.
If consciousness is also energy (which it isn't), then falling asleep or getting knocked unconscious and also waking up would be a violation of the laws of physics.
death is the end - and your question is only a little bit of doubt, and a whole lot of wishful thinking.
Then you are a stupid fucking faggot and you should kill yourself and enjoy your conciousness there. Leave us alone intelligent people here to continue our fucking speciES GO FUCKING KILL YOURSELF FAGGOT.
According to Alan Watts, death is not the end of consciousness since consciousness is just a collection of experiences and you cannot have an experience of nothing. Nature abhors a vacuum, so at your death you will wake up at your next birth completely unaware that you had ever been born before. Just consider what it's like to go to sleep and never wake up, than consider what it's like to wake up after never having gone to sleep.
awww would you like me to read you 7th grade biology book. Nah bitch I'm not your mother.
Awww looks like I've hurt your feelings too. Need a tampon to wipe those tears little bitch? Can't into basic biology of energy?
Pretty much this is what woman do, so I'm going assume you're a woman.
Post tits you dumb bitch and quit your bitch whining.
Nature has it's own consciousness that is not defined by human dictionary. Doesn't matter if you like it or not you feely faggot.
carbon, like all matter, is also energy
ever heard the equation e = mc^2 ?
well, the m stands for mass and the e stands for energy, and the c is a constant, so energy and matter is really two words for the same thing.
>No more potential, no more consciousness
Nah, I'll do >muh science and says how energy works is energy consciousness and bam! You're wrong.
>but but but that consciousness isn't what the dictionary says cuz it's not human esk!!
Gotta get on retards level of language. Now time for fagtag
Nah, ask your mother to spoon fed you
Jesus H. Christ, troll is in quotes!
I think we're being raided by reddit, /b/rothers. Or it could be /pol/ it's been a slow day at the war. . . .
but we are being raided
Pls, Everybody, don't take the bait
this is an obvious troll attempt, so pls stop humoring him.
nobody can be this stupid and new
>you will wake up at your next birth completely unaware that you had ever been born before
Then how is it you in any way, shape or form if there's no memory?
The baby being born would obviously be made of different matter to your dead body - and its brain would share none of the wirings that made you.
It's like Trigger's broom all over again.
>mfw your counsciousness could be downloaded into a computer
>mfw you could be trolling forever
LOL @ trying to explain a potential real or unreal next level of existence from the understanding gained in this existence.
We are all energy and energy is consciousness. Atoms are made of the left over energy from he formation of protons. Protons and electrons make up atoms. Movement of electrons or ions is electricity. Brain creates action potential due to ions. Thus, No potential no conciousness
I think this thread really belongs over in /v/ because OP is trying to bait us with the whole new-age afterlife bullshit.
Go join a cult. That will save you from thinking for yourself.
literally the stupidest thing in this thread(that isn't OP)
LOL, plebs arguing about life after death is as pointless as life itself.
Technically it can but it would be defined as a computer consciousness not the one dictionary uses to define humans you retard.
Ah but the underlying is pure energy that creates the those physical effect. The physical does not create the energy, the energy creates the physical. That is what you're not understanding. Physical can be destroyed, energy cannot, it's always there and continuous, constant and aware (in it's own way).
Sorry I hurt your feelings kid, I can gif a tissue for you if you like?
Only trolling because I don't agree with >muh feels of this faggots.
he dun agreeee wit me he b trolling!!
Sounds like bitch talk.
Well your memory while imprinted into your brain computer is always guided by the energy to imprint into your brain. Not all your memory is lost, some of it become imprinted in to the energy of your brain.
As far as I am concerned, there is only one single reason to even entertain the possibility of a something-or-other after death.
And that is the concept of infinity.
If, and only if, the universe is infinitely huge, and furthermore, only one of an infinite number of universes in the multiverse. If that is the case, then who knows, perhaps some time again, in the course of infinite time, somewhere, in the middle of infinite space, the configuration that is you, might repeat itself.
I'm not saying this is certain, nor am I saying it's provable. But since infinity has some pretty odd properties - perhaps Nietzsche was right when he proposed the eternal recurrence of the same.
Yes, and I also know how science works.
1.You remember things with your brain
2.When you die, your brain "turns-off"
3.Therefore, when you die you can no longer remember things.
On the other hand, I could just be misunderstanding your post
>Why do i remember everything now and not after i die
I have no idea what this part even means
Nigga, I'm using it as reality based arguement. All these faggots who argue life is pointless are pathetic you tard, not about my personal feelz on confidence. I'm serious go talk to those psuedo faggots who believe life is pointless, they're most retarded bunch ever.
But sure if it makes you feels better, you're right.
Yes but the specific energy needed to experience consciousness is one part on the electromagnetic force. Without a specific part of all the energy we have ever known to produce this electric potential on just one of our organs, there will be no consciousness.
If all humans had to wait 6 million years for earth to be constructed and be born, i dont think time is something when you die. So if i died in my sleep, would i ever know i really died yet?
once the brain cells die and the nerves nolonger fire what was you has expired. if life is restored before the body degraded the person would be alive again.
the energy transmitted between to nerve cells is not what defines you, it is meerly the communication of a chemical mass of cells.
you are a biological machine, nothing more. the energy generated is not hoo-doo magic but electrical pulses generayed by acid/base cellular that have adapted over great time.
Damnit, looks like I need to dumb down myself again. Alright
>there will be no consciousness.
Except you just defined consciousness that of energy. Energy is not human tard, stop trying to assume define consciousness as that of human characteristic.
>the energy generated is not hoo-doo magic but electrical pulses generayed by acid/base cellular that have adapted over great time.
topkek energy is now hoodoo magic. This shit is funny as fuck.
Yeah but the fancy dancy dance of energy in your brain will be changed into some other shit that isn't so fancy dancy.
So sure, your going to continue to exist as some fucking electron in the soil waiting to be converted into something else...
Your sure as shit not going to be pondering the nature of your existence anymore.
If there's anything you shouldn't try to do on /b/, it's to try to have a decent discussion about interesting topics like this.
Just look at all these stupid idiotic shitposting fucks in this thread as a reference.
Your quote has nothing to do with your question, you fucking tard.
Just because energy (your body rotting and thus it's energy being transferred into creatures in the ground, or your body evaporating into heat if you are creamted) changes forms and doesn't disappear completely it doesn't mean that your consciousness (caused by chemical/electrical reactions in your brain) will keep on living when your brain dies.
let's assume that there is some sort of life after death ... either spiritual or organic, but in either or both cases, the continuation of our lives after we die.
If this were true, then certainly there would be some verifiable evidence along the line. There has never been any such evidence that would stand up to even the most lax scientific standard of proof.
James Randi has had a $1 million reward for decades for anyone who can proffer such evidence. It has never been collected.
So think about it. All the years that humans have come and gone and not even ONE verifiable instance of proof of life after death. Not one. Ever.
>has those memories inside right?
Perhaps it's energy memory and not human memory?But that's going psuedo so I make no claim for this to be true and couldn't' care less on this part if you believe me or not.
Because once someone disagress everyone feelings get hurt and >muh feels becomes, that's shit posting!! That's trolling. Happens in RL too. Whaaa you hurt my feelings by not agreeing with my opinions!
>Implying I'm God
Well then, I must be fucking right then since I dictate the physical realm. Thanks for the ego boost.
Well obviously yes but word "without" cannot happen unless you've figured out a way to break the laws of energy. Do tell and I'll reascend everything.
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>But that's going psuedo so I make no claim for this to be true
B-but that's what you've been doing this entire thread
>dead cobsidering nobody experienced it
Nah world would still bitch, people have died and come back to tell their stories, doesn't mean there true (in the context of the reaction).
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>Yeah, but if your brain turns off, it still has those memories inside right?
If by "turn off" you mean that your brain dies, then no, the memories aren't "still inside" since the harddrive responsible for containing your memories (your brain) has ceased to function.
>They dont dissappear magically.
Not magically, no, but they do disappear.
>They are stored inside.
Yes, for as long as you are alive. When you die (and thus your brain dies), you cannot remember anything.
Nice. That corresponds nicely to thousands of years of philosophical contemplation.
Why do you think that if it's the same biological devices that consciousness emerged from, that the consciousness that emerges after being ko'd (for example) is different from the consciousness that was there before? Person goes to sleep and wakes up, they are still the same person.
If the brain doesn't change, why would the identity of the consciousness?
>implying you could possibly dumb yourself down, and still write in cohesive sentences.
c'mon, just admit that there's no afterlife, and we can all go home knowing that at least among this small group of /b/tards, we were able to reach a consensus about the most base facts of our existence.
It generally involves lots of old white men salivating over Hume and writing technical articles about things like whether the referential opacity of modal contexts renders quantified modal logic incoherent, whether emotivist accounts of metaethics can overcome the Frege-Geach problem, whether the indispensability argument is a successful refutation of nominalist philosophies of mathematics, etc.
Nah, simple into basic biology you learn in high-school and some history on electical genuises such as Tesla and Einstein (though think he was a math fucktard hurrr durr my emc2 shit).
Ask Toaster Steve I'm sure he has all the answers to life.
>people have died and come back to tell their stories
No one has ever "come back" from brain death (which is actual death, cardiac arrest does not count since your brain still works and can thus produce hallucinations/other stupid shit which are the basis of "near death experiences" or "experiences with the afterlife").
>c'mon, just admit that there's no afterlife
I just say afterlife is energy nothing else of religious/psuedo/spiritual bullshit that's spouted.
Thought some brain dead people have come back? Well consciousness dead which is the point of the this thread which is measured by your energy levels in your brain amusingly enough.
I don't know and I'm not saying they are, just stating peoples opinion upon hearing it for it to be actually true everyone would have to accept it correct? That's absolute truth is it not?
The electric potential of the brain is regulated by your heart, stomach, liver, kidneys, blood and all of the main organs and such. All of our bodies are chemistry sets in perfect equilibrium and each part plays a part that fits in to one another. Our energy comes from sunlight. Plans ea the sun, animals eat the plants, we eat the animals. The potential to have consciousness usually comes about from 3 meals per day
>Thought some brain dead people have come back?
> Well consciousness dead which is the point of the this thread which is measured by your energy levels in your brain amusingly enough.
What are you getting at? Try to formulate your sentences a little bit better.
>afterlife is energy
well, that's about all the religous/pseudo/spiritual bullshit that you'll need to spout for the rest of us to mock you and then ignore you.
And since, with this post, I'm done mocking you - I'll proceed to phase two of my "deal with people who are either trolls or trads"-protocol.
The energy always exists, but your conscious is a specific configuration of that energy, and it is not absolute.
>The electric potential of the brain is regulated by your heart, stomach, liver, kidneys, blood and all of the main organs and such.
People have fully functiocing bodies at normal rate yet their energy levels can vastly differ.
> All of our bodies are chemistry sets in perfect equilibrium and each part plays a part that fits in to one another.
Which is dictated by energy flow that creates the physical chemical reaction, chemical reaction does not create the energy, energy must be present first THEN chem reaction happens using that energy. Energy is always there.
> The potential to have consciousness usually comes about from 3 meals per day
I agree, that's biological energy but energy has many different types. Nature itself is the culmination of energy transaction without the need for physical nutrition.
Nah just basic biology.
Keep mocking me, I just laugh. I'm not a feely faggot like you. Just amuses me what a stubborn child you are.
>pecific configuration of that energy, and it is not absolute.
True for that TYPE of energy but it changes and exchanges.
when will people start to realize there is only one consciousness?
there is no after life, when the body dies, the body dies, you cease to exist, that doesn't mean consciousness ceases to exist, you can say consciousness is energy, awareness, or whatever floats your boat.
Consciousness is an emergent property of brains, brains are destroyed at death, why would anyone think consciousness is not destroyed along with it?
Two words destroy any notion of consciousness surviving death: brain damage.
The electric potential does no change, it is always electric potential. This potential allows ions specific to the brain to be exchanged which in turn regulates the organs and creates consciousness. No electric potential no consciousness
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>No electric potential no consciousness
Nah, you've just defined energy consciousness. You're trying to implace what people define as human consciousness as energy consciousness of course, since energy is not human that can't into.
Consciousness ends as the body's natural energy cycles stop, and the energy that is no longer being used is still stored in the glucose, atp, adp, etc created by the cycles previously.
This guy gets it.
We are all part of the same large consciousness that is the universe/God. We are God and God is us. We are spiritual beings all connected by this consciousness that for some reason chose to embody a human in this 3 dimensional reality. We are the universe experiencing itself from every possible perspective on a 3 dimensional plain. Think of it like this. Everything is connected and works in cycles like an ant colony. each and every ant is doing their own thing usually doing a thing that appears to benefit only them but when you step back their all working in sync to achieve a higher goal that is unknown to each individual.
Troll harder fagget
imagine if there is only one consciousness, occupying everything that is sentient. it shifts between everyone, constantly, which means it only exists in one being at a time. but jumps back in time every second, enters the next being, etc.
that would explain the extremely unlikely event of me actually having a consciousness.
There is only one consciousness. It is the consciousness of ones self, the I. It is brought upon by the electric potential of the brain and without it there would be no consciousness
You're mixing up a metaphysical definition of energy with the physical definition of energy. Don't try to spiritualise Einsteins quotes with retarded implications. Yes consciousness ends at death.
He's not trolling. Everything is pure energy. If you don't believe it the find me a definition of Mass that doesn't use the word mass or matter to define it. Their is no universal definition of what mass and matter actually are.
Yeah dude. For 3 weeks now I've been on some next level type of thinking and shit. I can't explain it either my brain is evolving and my individual consciousness is functioning at a higher level, or I've completely lost my mind and really need to be on serious medication. But it's a very euphoric way to think about the universe and reality. So if im going down then at least I'm going down happy!
>Experiencing reality does not equal consciousness
Oh I know, but to experience reality you need one of course, otherwise I don't think you'd be required alive in a reality context of course.
Nah since human consciousness is described by human characteristics same can apply to energy but different set of characteristics. Using same logic defined in reality by intellectual humans but now applied to energy.
>Energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another
Yes, and entropy generally increases. That energy is preserved doesn't mean that the specific state of energy known as "you" will in any way survive being digested by maggots.
Right and your atoms are stardust and you're in your third atomic body by the age of thirty or whatever. Ambient heat can't think, so thermodynamics doesn't help you much. consciousness ends and that's all that matters.
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No jimmies rustled here mate.
you need better semantics in stating it.
Then yea, you'd be a big stud faggot. And when I say faggot, I mean it was a compliment.
>No jimmies rustled here mate.
I rustled something though. Shit was hilarious.
Mass is a specific configuration of energy at best, just like everything else
It's like lego pieces being energy and houses or cars being matter. The mass of the matter is proportional to the amount of bricks used to make the car or house or whatever the fuck you want (you could use e=mc^2 here if you feel like it). When you take them apart to build different things (perhaps a boat or an aeroplane, fuck i ain"t judging), the energy remains constant but no physical memory remains, the house is gone and won't ever be made again(unless you direct a lot of effort into finding the exact same pieces, but simce the universe seems to be infinite or at least very large you won't get the same, therefore it must have died}
Nope. Google "quantum immortality"
Your conciousness can't end even if you want it to. We're all doomed to live forever.
So take this understanding, and now ask yourself if you were ever born, and don't relate to thoughts for the answer, in your actual experience.
You are infinite, the unborn and the never dying.
which provokes an interesting question: why? why go through the trouble of organizing against entropy? why is this an autonomous process? why cant I just will my brain to stop?
What does a newborn baby see? What does a near death person see? A blinding light. And a Halo... go into the light and live again. Remember where you hid the gold. Oh and P.S. always go twords the light. /buddism/
That's one of the fundamental laws of physics, not a fucking Einstein quote. That's so fucking stupid already because of this that I can't even take it.
Secondly, I don't think you know what "energy" is. People who don't know shit about science basically use "energy" interchangably with "magic" in their heads. Nothing about your consciousness is "energy"
Your brain works by a serious of chemical messages/energy.
When your body dies and your brain ceases to function the chemical energy goes into the earth or bacteria/fungi when you decompose. Everything is used up in some way.