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>>561057593 Actually, I'm glad you brought this up. It helps to have a "trigger" that lets you know it's a dream. For me, it's usually rainbows (extremely vivid ones), but as of last night, it's also when everything starts to go grayscale. The most important thing to do when you realize you're dreaming is to remain calm, and quietly understand what's going on.
>>561057806 Last night, I dreamed I was fighting a guy with some kind of Kung Fu in a bamboo forest. Everything started to go black and white, and that's when I realized it was a dream. I stopped fighting, everything went back into full color, and I finished him off with a Galick Gun. I then flew away to go meet my friends, who were fighting someone else in a hallway in a hotel. They were all in costume, so I decided to transform into certain anime characters by using "keys." The same method the Gokaigers/Super Megaforce Rangers use to transform into old rangers.
>>561059004 I have! I remember one night in particular, I had been at it for over an hour, until I finally found "myself" going over the roof of my parents' house. The moon was full, which I could see bright and clearly through my astral eyes. I "flew" a bit before I realized I was flying, then "fell" when I remembered gravity. I landed head-first on the ground, but there was no pain...no sensation whatsoever.
i read a few books on it and had decent results. 1) you need to tell yourself before bed that you intend to remember your dream when you wake up. it works. 2) you need a reality test so you know if you're really dreaming or not. you practice it when your awake so much that it becomes frequent and automatic and you will do it in the dream. the reality test in my book was to focus on something, look away, then look back. if you see the same thing you're awake, if not, you are in a dream and will know it.
>>561059529 It's a type of out-of-body-experience that is different from Remove Viewing, in that you can go *anywhere* in an instant. Your consciousness (the "astral body") stays connected to the physical body via a silver "cord" that goes from the abdomen of your physical body to that of your astral one. It's limitless, so you can literally go anywhere in this universe, to other dimensions (with limitations), and some say even to different time periods.
>>561057593 i had a lucid dream the other night that I could breathe underwater, and when I woke up from it, it felt so real that I thought for a second that I died and woke up in another reality. It was so real that the whole thing made sense when I thought about it out of my dream.
>>561059850 Very sure, because with Astral Projection, you can conduct "experiments" that you can't with Lucid Dreaming. For example, you could travel to another room, observe something in particular, and then go observe it directly with your physical body. Experiments like this have been done before, and it always came back the same: it works.
>>561059975 I truly did. Now that this thread exists, I'm going to get back into training my mind and body once again so I can do it again. Now that I'm older, I think I'll have better control over myself and what's going on, not to mention better perception about the things I see.
Going to bed sober, well hydrated, and tired.. Try to resist falling to sleep, moreso, try to feel your body and mind push for a sleep state before your will to stay awake expires... Let the dream state slip into an actively cognitive mind, it helps.. Also, being mindful, in my dreams i am frequently thinking if things in life, often, for signs if a dream. Awake in the dream. Time and time and time, sweet dreams
>>561060795 For the most part, yes, but be careful: some of those videos contain subliminal messages that aren't very pleasant. If you want to use Binaural Beats, buy them from actual sellers (for CD's and/or MP3's).
>>561060868 There are a lot of different sites and even books teaching various methods, but the main key is to learn how to quiet your mind. So many techniques, it'd be too much to type here
If you don't meditate, start doing so now so you won't be distracted when it comes time to practice. Just be careful about those "Radical Ki" websites that are still around from the "Radical Ki Era;" they're full of crock 90% of th etime.
>>561061468 Well, a lot of that depends on the message. Naturally, a message like "kill yourself" wouldn't be beneficial to this or really anything you're trying to do to better yourself. You just have to be really careful when it comes to YouTube, because there are a lot of people who do this sort of thing on purpose.
>>561060795 I haven't tried binaural beats but I know that the 2 things I mentioned above work. Seeing this thread now, I'm going to try them tonight. it can be tricky to stay asleep when you realize it's a dream though. if you're like me you will get so excited you will wake up several nights before getting into it. Maybe the beats would help but I'm skeptical.
>>561061468 I've been curious about subliminal messages too, and a while back researched the shit out of it. Seems that there isn't much support that subliminal messaging works very well. you have to be strongly predisposed to the action already, can't just go brainwash yourself or others into something totally out of the norm.
>>561061948 A variation of that is to visualize a shape above your head as you lie down, and stare at that with your body perfectly still. Your eyes will close on their own, but you should still "see" that shape with your mind's eye. Eventually, "lift" yourself toward that shape without moving your body, using your mind only.
i stumbled across something on a website saying nicotine can help induce lucid dreaming because of how it stimulates some chemical in the brain..it seems a lot of people with the patches had noticed this if they used them while sleeping...should i use my ecig a bit right before bed or would it be better to just try and induce it without it?
>>561063024 wiki: "Priming is an implicit memory effect in which exposure to one stimulus influences a response to another stimulus. The seminal experiments of Meyer and Schvaneveldt in the early 1970s led to the flowering of research on priming of many sorts. Their original work showed that people were faster in deciding that a string of letters is a word when the word followed an associatively or semantically related word. For example, NURSE is recognized more quickly following DOCTOR than following BREAD. Various experiments supported the theory that activation spreading among related ideas was the best explanation for the facilitation observed in the lexical decision task. The priming paradigm provides excellent control over the effects of individual stimuli on cognitive processing and associated behavior because the same target stimuli can be presented with different primes. Thus differences in performance as a function of differences in priming stimuli must be attributed to the effect of the prime on the processing of the target stimulus."
>>561057593 >Be me, wake up dreaming >In a suburban neighbourhood, with white picket fence house on every block. >Look at my hands and realize I was lucid. >Feel a fresh breeze of air move past me, and see tree branches moving. >Realize I am the only person in the landscape. >Think about flying, so i start walking, then running, then running super-humanly fast down the empty suburban street. >Shoot up into the air in a Superman-esque way and fly at least 2,000 feet in the air >See all of the house neatly lined up with one another, some different sizes, but all houses are white on that sunny day.
>>561063292 also I smoke cigs right before sleep and sometimes I even light one up in the middle of the night if I wake up from a cool dream and think about the dream but i don't think its ever induced any lucidity
>>561064196 Part 2 >Still flying around , and i feel a sense of power fulfill me, I felt invincible and super-human and experience a sense of what would be called "mania" on Earth. >Things go in a different direction now, as Im airborne I start shifting through the various astral planes or some kind of memory related record too fast to truly appreciate any one at a time. >I am not only seeing the shifting taking place but i am "above" it watching from a birds eye view and it is as if i am travelling through it, more like hurdling over it in one giant leap. > Finally stop shifting through experience realms and land like a crow in a shifty place, its on Earth but clearly in an alternate dimension, the backyard of my old high school.
>>561064949 yeah i usually use my ecig right before i sleep and it doesnt seem to do much...most of the things i read involved the nicotine patches so maybe its because it releases it while you sleep..i havent read any scientific articles on it just read people asking about it or sharing experiences with it so it could possibly have no effect
>>561065484 last part >See a teacher walk outiside of a backdoor, this is near where the dumpster is. >I see him walk out onto the ledge seemingly looking for his car, and at that point I get massively horny. >I stalk his movements like prey then at the right moment i pounce on him instantly from above like a dark shadow. >Proceed to rape this tall blonde haired man. >Wake up from the dream. Im a heterosexual guy btw. Thats my most memorable lucid dream experience. Happened 2 summers ago when i meditate daily for about 2 months.
>>561064690 Yeah, it really is like another world. I wonder how far a human can really go in the astral world. It might just be how we contact other species in our star system since telepathy travels instantly and isn't bound by light.
>>561067835 Im not opposed to believing that we havent already, but im guessing their response wasnt too enlightening i bet. I really want to find out if we can actually learn something fundamental about science or the nature of everything from one of the enlightened aliens. It seem like everyone on Youtube has just said how smart and great they are, but none have been willing to lend us constructive advice or ideas. Probably because our approach to them was wrong or we arent humble enough as a species yet for them to consider us.
>>561068998 Also because other humans would call them looney, or the advice given wasn't specific enough to warrant a grand awakening to telepathy, or someone took their advice and didnt give any credit to them which is like a penalty and now they're ignoring us until we get our shit together.
>>561068998 From what I've read (particularly from Barbara Marciniak's works) is that we as humans aren't "ready" to receive their teachings or direct assistance yet. For example, their ability to travel great distances in short periods of time would prove to be "too great" for us to understand, as would how time really works vs how we think it does.
i have tried before. i close my eyes, relax, a good amount of minutes pass by and all i feel is just this sorta tension in my eyes and i see a bunch of weird forms in my eyes. and thats it i never feel like i fall asleep all i do is or either feel scared and open my eyes or just not fall asleep
>>561070107 Yeah, ive been meaning to research more into it maybe ill make more time for this stuff now that you mention it. Ive always heard about using crystals something id like to get into. I used to keep various crystals and stones around when i was a kid and always felt elevated and protected by them, but now theyve all disappeared. Do you recommend any or is it specific to your likings, birthdate etc..?
>>561070806 My favorite stone is the Amethyst. The Amethyst helps with one's psychic awareness and spiritual vibrations. I keep a small amethyst under my pillow, and a large chunk of it on my windowsill close to my bed. I also have a small amethyst pendant (just a shard, really) that I take with me whenever I'm going to do Final Exams or midterms. I keep it in a small bag in my pockets when I go.
>>561071368 Feelings like the urge to scratch something, to twitch, touch your nose, etc. Some thoughts that enter your mind also have to be controlled, in that you observe them, but do not go any farther than that. Just let them pass.
>>561071784 I don't quite understand it myself, but ever since I started doing it (putting a crystal under my pillow), I've been having lucid dreams much more often without really trying. last night's lucid dream was a surprise even for me, but when I realized I was dreaming, I just said, "okay, now to do things my way." I was calm, as if I already "knew" it was going to happen.
>>561061531 I hate the "weight on chest" because the last time it manifested as a black cat. I knew it was a hallucination, but still, a shadow cat hopping up from the floor to your chest on a bed is startling. Then as it disappears into the corner behind your head you start to wonder if it was a cat.
>>561072163 Ever have any pseudo-lucid dreams? What i mean is like youre aware that your dreaming but follow a certain story with other characters involved and you make your own decision based on guidelines that the story follows? For example i had this dream where i was lucid but was playing this animated space-cadet like characters and was chasing around these fairy-like goddesses by entering these portals that would lead to another sector of this space. The whole thing was like a game of tag but in a Jetsons-esque environment. It was probably the most vivid lucid-like dream that i can remember. Its only that i wasnt doing whatever I wanted to do in a self-indulgent way but i was literally another version of my self working as an agent..for what agency i dont know.
>>561073424 There have been experiments conducted about this. An older woman for example projected into another room, and observed a man writing a letter. When she came to, it turned out that the man really had been writing. I remember reading this in a book a while ago...I think the author was Cayce.
>>561074408 The way i see it, astral projection is like a highly organized and well planned dream. But im sure few people truly know what the next level of astral projection is it could mean telepathy, remote-viewing and inter-galactic communication for what we know, if our dreams become self-realized and somehow attach to the physical plane like a thin veneer where we can make factual physical implications with just our minds, The general consensus is that we as a species arent ready yet for it or havent developed it to that point yet but we are approaching it.
>>561074408 This is literally another way of life. You can see for yourself or not and determine whether you still disbelieve. I'm personally glad I started down this path (one that I'm about to get back into), because it kind of saved me from a lot of negative things I could have been doing with my life instead.
>>561075415 well someone posted an experiment and many people say they experience the same thing..so a bunch of people are all just making the same story up? why dont you do research on it and try it instead of just assuming its bullshit
>>561074890 because the proof offered for it so far is "I read it in a book somewhere"
at least post some sort of reliable study that doesn't hinge on "well this one guy said" or "in this legend from somewhere this happened"
unfortunately I seriously doubt there are any studies confirming this. I've seen firsthand how realistic and how easily dreams and lucid dreaming can fool you, I'm not going to suddenly believe in astral projection because someone says "but no seriously it was real" That's selling dreams short.
>>561076353 I also posted a link to an experiment that had been conducted. In fact, you could even try it yourself by placing a card face-up on a table in one room without looking at it, projecting in another room, observing the card while projecting, and then going to observe the card once you've returned to your body
>>561075415 dont knock it until you try it, you will feel for yourself that its nature is slightly different from just regular dreaming. The one and only time that ive done it, i felt an intense and very real shocking vibration fill my entire body starting from the feet and up until I woke up out of my body and walked around my room. I even opened up my cap of deodorant in the exact place it was and then put it back to test myself. Walked around my kitchen, floated through walls the whole 9, then i woke up. It literally feels like its own place with an atmosphere different from Earth, things seem brighter,
>>561076353 wether "you" physically leave your body or not the phenomena and all its symptoms are profound in themselves enough to claim that you believe in astral projection. Im not sure wether i actually leave my body or not (whatever that can be taken to physically mean), but it seems that way. Like i said astral projection are like highly organized and self realized dreams, now the real question is..what exactly are dreams meant for? There may be a gigantic underside to that tip of the iceburg
>>561079037 I believe I encountered a group of what might have been Pleiadians once, but I was so inexperienced that I didn't know what to say. I've been to outer space, but didn't go to any particular planets.
>>561076649 That study is extremely flawed with no credibility whatsoever. I have a hard time believing it.
The numbers in the beginning are from surveys and are not from valuable scientific studies. They're there to pump up the look of the study with scientifically meaningless numbers.
And this is just ridiculous:
> The leads from all electrodes were bound into a common cable running off the top of her head, and terminating in an electrode box on the head of the bed. This arrangement allowed her enough slack wire so that she could turn over in bed and otherwise be comfortable, but did not allow her to sit up more than two feet without disconnecting the wires from the box, an event which would show up on the recording equipment as a tremendous amount of sixty cycle artifact. Thus her movements were well controlled.
and then this:
> Miss Z seemed to be determined to have the right kind of OOB experience. [...] she was angry at herself because she had not been able to float up and read the target number. [...] The EEG was technically rather poor on this night, being obscured with a great deal of sixty cycle artifact and requiring rather heavy high frequency filtering to make it clear, so the EEG findings should be taken with the realization that they are subject to more error than usual."
So basically, the failsafe he had to ensure the lady didn't just sit up and read the numbers happened, and he didn't care.
This is an extremely poorly done study, which is probably why it has no credibility with the scientific community. There needs to be some actual double blind, peer reviewed studies out there to entertain the notion.
If astral projection is real, you're not doing it any favors by blindly clinging to such poorly done studies. You're just throwing the concept deeper into the hocus pocus world.
I've been trying to do this for months now, I tried jumping into it and inducing it cold, nothing. I tried listening to the guided meditation thing, came close, felt the vibrations, even felt myself roll out of my body, but got shocked right back in. That was as close as I got, after that, I got nowhere. The latest thing I've been trying is Galantamine. It makes me remember my dreams more clearly, but thus far, utter dead end on the lucid dreaming and astral projection front.
I'm gonna try with Galantamine again tonight, and I'm gonna get some Melatonin this weekend.
On a related note, I was going to try a combination of edible pot and galantamine to see if that would help. Anyone done anything like that before?
>>561079718 Well, as I said, you could test it yourself by trying out the techniques and conducting at-home experiments. This is the one thread on /b/ in a while (or ever?) that I think has ever really raised the spiritual vibrations of those reading it. I still disagree with you, but I won't argue any further.
>>561080284 I'm a huge lucid dreamer and meditator so I'll definitely be trying some of the home experiments and seeing for myself. I just have too much respect for the truth of the universe to claim something is real just because it sounds cool and ethereal.
Still, whatever the truth is, distance yourself from that study. It's just poorly done.
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