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>>561545324 I agree Hiroshima was an injustice. The Japanese did absolutely nothing to Americans or Asia as a whole during the Second World War that would mean they had it coming. The atomic bombings were war crimes; the Japanese never committed any war crimes at all.
>>561546925 Tactical move against military forces. Not the same thing that a tactical move on civilians, and that for whatever reasons you can find. America is the worst thing that could have happenned to this world, deal with it.
USA #1 >implying japan didn't have it coming >they could of surrendered >Nanking >9/11 inside job >U.S isn't the only country that kills civilizations you stupid asiafags >implying Governments and people care about other citizens dieing in other countries Stupid thread.
Someone else who doesn't know shit about shit, historically.
The japs murdered civilians all over the orient; that's what they did, killed people. Millions of people. So pardon me if I don't weep bitter tears that we deep fried two fucking cities of theirs to keep from having to invade.
>>561547717 Not really... I don't support a lot of things the US military is doing today, like getting involved with Israel and Palestine. So why should I, someone who wants nothing to do with that, have to suffer for the mistakes of the people who are currently in power?
Who the fuck still thinks the USA is shit? Come on do you really believe that? We have more money than any other country. Better standards of living over all. Not to mention we basically run everything. Without the US the rest of the world would be fucked, all we have to do is turn our backs and cut off trade and the global economy collapses.
>>561545324 9/11 is just the media being ridiculous because the media is controlled by the government and 9/11 was an inside job. And america sucks because it is turning into a police state. If you disagree then I ask you try to explain why FEMA has concentration camps, the police have tanks, the government has 1.6 billion hollow point rounds (not legal for use in war), and every police department is stocking up on riot control equipment even though national security was never an issue and there are not (yet) any majpr riots happening anywhere around the country?
>>561548084 All of that is right besides the erronous assumption that we have the highest living standard in the world. We have the fifth, after rich states like Switzerland, Norway, Australia and the Dutch. Cited: HDI.
>>561548084 this >>561548126 Japan slaughtered children and forced chinese people to do incest, they also tested them when they were a awake. Japan was the worst country in WW2, worse than Germany. They deserved the peaceful death of Hiroshima, compared to the Chinese who were buttered and tested on. Such a dumbass
>>561548084 Forgot to mention. >The us abuses its military hurr durr. fuck off. i love how you fuckers believe that. It's all for oil. Why do you think were still in the middle east? to help? our government couldnt give a fuck less about some dirty sand niggers killing each other.
>>561546742 Actually, if we hadn't dropped the bombs at that point there might have been considerably less Japanese people left. At that point in the war Japan was on its last legs, they were sending wave after wave of their own soldiers at our entrenchments. Just divine winding it into machine gun fire. That is when they weren't forcing their own civilians off cliffs. So really what's two cities compared to an entire race?
For those who don't know: near the end of ww2, japs had an insane plan of defending their motherland at all cost. Americans estimated that the final invasion will cost them over 100.000 soldiers - and they'll massacre over 1 million of ill-trained, ill-equipped japs. So the nuke was actually lesser-evil solution.
>>561548702 And who gives a fuck? If it was up to the dunderfucks that live here this country would have died years ago. You people and others like you have no idea what goes on behind closed doors, and have no idea of the intricacies in negotiation of foreign policies. We do shit for the good of our own country, and if that makes us the assholes then so be it. You dont get to be the strongest nation in the world by holding hands with every person you meet.
>>561545324 America may suck, but we rule the world, our massive military with endless funds are station all over the world. every country's economy is not backed by gold but by USD no one could stand up to the USA
>>561549051 Says who? You seriously believe that don't you? Here's an idea dipshit. Go look who hold the highest percentage control of the global economy. It's the USA motherfucker. >oh but china controls the us lol. we flip a switch, their ecomony crashes back to where it was before,
HIROSHIMA AND NAGASAKE ARE JUSTIFIED. IT WAS NOT ONLY A RETALIATION, BUT IT WAS DURING A TOTAL WAR! IN WAR CIVILIANS DEATHS ARE EXPECTED. (THESE 200K CIV. DEATHS ARE BETTER THAN THE 6 MIL DEATHS THAT OCCURRED IN NANKING)
9/11 WAS DONE BY TERRORISTS, AND WAS DURING A PEACEFUL TIME (NOT WAR)
>>561549375 This! Freedom is non-existent in current day America.
>>561549376 You still think the USA is what it was? You once were a great nation. Today not so much. Also that feeling of jealousy you think other countries have toward you.... Non-existent it is called: utter disgust.
>>561550109 I'm sure, even in North Korea, people have to think there are better things out there than a starving, shit-teir military state... Not to say that they don't have a warped perception of reality, but still... A lot of them simply never had the chance to understand that there are better things in life...
Even then, a fair amount of them try to escape their fate of being trapped in such a shitty place.
>Bombing a city to end a war that had been raging for years to avoid a full-scale invasion is the same as a terrorist attack. Japan had been warned to surrender before the Atomic bombs were dropped, they refused to listen. Learn some history instead of just being as asshurt child looking to make Americans look bad.
>>561549778 I'm not talking about the general public voting for every pissy decision. We *need* to be informed about what the federal government is doing on our behalf.
This "state secrecy" thing has got to go. It makes sense for issues that are truly sensitive, but it has gone way too far. The people cannot act as a buffer against their government if they have no idea what their government is doing.
>>561550156 Do you not understand economics? Guessing you didn't go to high school? You're probably the kind of person who gets their opinions from family guy lol. I can't argue anymore. Too much stupid in this thread. Ill leave by saying my stepfather is one of the men behind those closed doors. And add that all of the United States militaristic action is for money. Believe what you want. I know what happens in the real world.
>>561545324 Today is Nagasaki day, actually. We're having Sushi to celebrate.
Japan refused to surrender. By their own estimates they would have lost 4-6 million of their own people. We killed 250,000. War over. 3.75-5.75 Million Japanese get to keep their lives. You're welcome.
>Began with a genocide of native americans. >Followed up by the enslaving and killing of a whole race. >Only country on earth to use nuclear weapons against civilians. >To this day still kill civilians, mainly by using drone attacks against third world countries. >Has outrageous military expenditures at the expense of healthcare, education and social programs. >Only civilized country to believe that carrying around an ak-47 is normal. >They're fat >Claims to be the best country in the world despite all that
>>561550156 You really must be a dense retard with no understanding of Global Geopolitics & Political Economy. Go read your shitty fucking newspaper comics for your opinions retard, so we don't have to see your stupidity here.
>>561549983 Hmmm. CAPSguy knows his history. Good for him.
You're entitled to your opinion. You're also entitled to fail classes, fail work, and fail life. Using superior force and technology to end a war must be cheating? How about all the Nazi crypto we broke to beat those bastards?
>>561547553 Bullshit. We have records of the Japanese Cabinet just prior to the end of the war and Hiroshima and Nagasaki were barely discussed.
Japan knew they were going to have to surrender and they were trying to convince the Soviet Union to intercede for them to help negotiate good terms of surrender instead of having to surrender unconditionally.
The Japanese finally gave up on that when the Red Army crushed the Japanese forces in Manchuria, and then Japan surrendered to the U.S. because they would rather let the U.S. dictate terms than the Soviets.
>>561550558 I'd agree with that. America is already decaying by design. We have too many social problems and too many lazy fuckers who draw welfare and sit on the goddamn couch all day. Not to mention hoods who think its acceptable to have 6 children and draw welfare and foodstamps. This country is pathetic socially, however, I firmly believe we could wipe out any country on the globe if we didn't have so many pussy libtards worried about killing civilians. That being said, I somewhat agree with you.
>>561550984 >Genocide >Killing and enslaving >Spending money on military Things every Empire has done in history
>Only civilized country to believe that carrying around an ak-47 is normal. >They're fat Nice assumptions and stereotypes.
>Claims to be the best country in the world despite all that This nation has existed for less than 500 years and has still accomplished far more than nations that have been around for far longer than that. I don't think you hate America, I think you hate how much it's accomplished in so little time. Jealousy.
It was to send a message, and it did. There is a chance we would still be dropping bombs on Japan to this day if they hadn't surrendered. They attacked a lot of innocents at Pearl Harbor, the Japanese were no saints.
>>561551764 >Only the evil Americans targeted civilians and bombed cities in World War 2 And once again, with the fat pictures. Please at least try to be original and use your supposedly superior intellect when trying to insult Americans.
>>561545903 Yea fuck face forget about all of the Chinese, Filipino and pretty much any other people who were invaded by Japan that were raped tortured an murdered by Japanese soldiers during the occupations of their countries. Pearl Harbor of coarse and the fact that Japan was warned before the bombs were used, so what's your problem faggot are you fucking retarded ?? Have to be, either that or gr8 b8
>>561551639 My Canadian knowledge is limited, but without looking anything up. >Selling Asbestos to other countries when you have it heavily regulated and banned in your own, leading to millions with lung cancer. >The British empire conquered theby slavery, bloodshed, and genocide They wiped out the Native population by the millions in North America ( Canada, America and Mexico). Canada's armed forces are also involved in the ' War on Terror' >Deportation of the Acadians >Japanese Internment Camps >Civil Liberty Restrictions to various groups and various times (Women and Natives stick out in my mind) >Louis Riel >William Shatner A few
I brought the bombing and 911 up to a really patriotic teacher of mine. His rational was that the Japanese deserved it because they didnt declare war before attacking the US and that terrorist are basically the worst types of humans.
>>561552390 The Atomic bombings has nothing to do with Pearl Harbor. I don't get why so many people think they do. Bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki was to eliminate the need for Operation Downfall and an American/ British invasion of Japan that would have resulted in far more deaths on both sides and at least another few months (Possibly a year) of war. It should also be mentioned that atomic weapons would have probably been used during Operation Downfall along with chemical weapons to try to dislodge entrenched Japanese soldiers and civilians.
>>561545324 >argued with an american >america is not obese per capita >look up statistics >america has 10x the obese people, then the other 9 countries combined >america has 2.5x the obese people than the total population combined in said countries >"you dont understand per capita..." Pretentious american jerk
Hiroshima America stopped selling gas to japan as the japanese saw as a act of war. America intercepted the message for pearl harbor 20 hours in advance and lined up all the boats conveniently. Hiroshima was dropped as a fuck you weapons display to stalin after roosevelt died, the japanese were guinea pigs.And the chinese killed more chinese in the revolution. Death toll:100,000+
9/11 retribution attack for leaving the mujeehadin to be slaughted after the Soviet Invasion of afghanistan. Then see iraqi war. Death toll 3000
america: more money, more problems, people with no memory
>>561549146 look up the nanking massacre Japs in ww2 were worse they just didnt have the logistics to be on china like the Nazis were on the jews
really look thsi shit up the nazis were more about nationalistic and cultural preservation but the Japs were all about honor(riding the emperors dick to the grave) and nationalism. The japs had no sense subtley, the Nazis had the smarts to at least say "gas"
Imagine knowing you have ot land on Japan after seeing the nanking massacre and kamikaze pilots. Think about the logistics of island hopping all teh way to Japan and seiging the island. D-day was a bit of a stroke of luck because the Germans did not have their tank divisions et up in the right places. Even without the tanks it was a horrific event so bad that people havent stopped sucking its dick 60 years later. Now imagine D-day but the japs are prepared vor your invasion since its a small island,, you have much less munitinos reinforcments since your depots are on small islands spread out acroos long supply lines, and you have to deal wiht fuckers so brainwashed on the emperors dick they run at you even after losing mulitple limb and crash their vehicles into you without hesitation (from ww2 accounts) In the end an invasion would have cost the same amount of casualties on both sides as the 2 nukes did. The japanese warrior mindset would not have allowed the emperor or his subjects to stop until casualties were enormous thats why the bombs had to be used.
If there was no nukes we would be talking about the J-day invasion today as if it were hiroshima
>>561552429 >asbestos blame the buyers >british empire the brits did this, canada didnt exist back then >acadians sucks but nothing close to a genocide >japanese camps light version of what the US did >civil liberties restriction wasn't worse than any other country at the time, women got to vote in canada before they did in the US >louis riel you can't blame canada for executing criminals back then when the US still does it today >william shatner at least bring justing bieber up if you want to make a point
>>561553097 >America stopped selling gas to japan as the japanese saw as a act of war. Telling a country to stop its aggressions is not an act of war, it's an economic sanction designed to end a conflict without violence. >America intercepted the message for pearl harbor 20 hours in advance and lined up all the boats conveniently. This is wrong entirely. The US may have deciphered the Japanese were going to attack, but had no clue where. The Japanese announced their declaration of war with the last segment of a 14 part message, which was not delivered until the attack was already in progress. As for lining up the boats, the Battleships and Aircraft in Pearl Harbor were like that for months prior and the Japanese were able, through the use of spies, to map exactly what ships were/ were not in port and assign planes to attack specific ships. > Hiroshima was dropped as a fuck you weapons display to stalin after roosevelt died What the hell are you even talking about? > the japanese were guinea pigs Partially true, although if you think the US dropped the Atomic bombs solely to see what they did to people then you're dead wrong. >And the chinese killed more chinese in the revolution. This matters how?
>retribution attack for leaving the mujeehadin to be slaughted after the Soviet Invasion of afghanistan. The Mujaheddin won the Afghan war and pushed the Soviets out. 9/11 was more because of the US's foreign policy concerning Israel and intervening in the Middle East through things like trying to overthrow Governments. Although there was also the reason that Jihadists just hate the US. >Then see iraqi war. Again, what does this have to do with anything?
>>561551501 It wasn't already over dickhead we were planning an invasion of mainland japan and we would've lost millions of Americans, try to keep in your tiny mind that the us govt wasn't a corrupt bunch of warmongering thieves yet
>>561554820 As stated in this thread... Germany Study in the Netherlands because they have one of the worlds best technical universities (they have a buttload of Americans there because it is cheaper to rent a house for 5 years and follow through this university than to do so in the USA).
>>561555869 It's related to the fact that the housing market prices have inflated but the minimum wage has yet to be increased in most states, partial do to lack of involved voters and political pressure by major corporations.
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>>561557995 >being this autistic Stop. Its getting too sad at this point. You lost. It sucks but you lost. Please shut up and get ready. Summer is almost over. And school is starting up again hope the 8th grade is fun.
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