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A few days ago some guy has posted an analysis of this image, and on that analysis his head and the blood was apparently white. (So it suggested that the head and the blood was edited in) Just saying it was a fake.
>>564695338 It is the petrodollar. When we left the gold standard our money was doomed to devalue. In order to create demand for the dollar we begged the Arabs to only do buiness in American dollars so that all the other countries that wanted to by oil from the middle east would have to import American dollars. In exchange we have to be their mercenarys. We are hardly the masters of the situation. The Arab states get military support and we get the petrodollar.
>>564696210 Exactly, the dude was mic'd up, it was filmed in high def, there was no emotional intonation to either of their speeches and we never see his throat cut, and the end is a still image and not a video clip. fake as FUCK
>>564695962 If we don't give the Arabs military support then they will stop forcing other countries to buy oil in American dollars. Civilians are fucking pussies so you have to come up with elaborate moral reasons to do mercenary work for the Arabs.
Don't know what everyone else is seeing, but towards the "fade to black" you can clearly see the knife cutting into his throat.
I don't need to see the blood to be convinced that the knife is fucking embedded in that poor fuck's neck.
>implying that you don't need to hit either carotid to see "gushing blood". >implying that they even got half way through his trachea before fading to black
Regardless, this was intelligently edited by ISIS to allow for it to be disseminated across all American news outlets. It allowed for everyone in America to see this; either on the nightly news or on the interbutts.
tl;dr - he got his head cut off. deal with it or take your devistated derriere back to ass-disaster nebraska, faggots
>>564697093 You bleed more from a papercut than how much he bled from a knife. not one drop in six saws. Do me a favor and put a knife to your throat and saw once back and forth, then tell me you won't bleed like a motherfucker.
You've obviously never seen a beheading video before. They don't do them for news outlets, they do them for politics.
I work at a cutlery store. I have had people Cut themselves on the finger with a cheap dull knife and within a second there is a lot of blood. If someone was sawing someone's neck I would expect a lot more in less time.
>>564699312 Why would the ISIS record executions? To get followers or show their 'powers'. They may fake it to get the same results, or they faked it to negotiate with U.S for weapons and shit... or to puss out if the U.S will attack them because of the 'beheaded of James Foley'.
So ISIS is an organization funded by several oil-rich countries/sheikhs
They are in contact with Western nations, just like with Osama back in the days
The Brits are out for war, looking for support among their civilians, spreading more distrust towards muslims. You know the trick: keep em fighting so you can control em
So I'm guessing its a british farce to get the population riled up and start an insignificant war over there killing thousands of innocent civilians so they can colonize their oilfields and call out victor's justice
that or they wanna start a nuclear world war trololol
Look, faggots. The Islamic Caliphate is media smart. They made a video targeted at western audiences.
1. They used the same kind of orange prison jump suit we use.for Islamic prisoners. This conveys organized authority, as if they had a legit prison they kept him in. Same with using handcuffs. 2. They used slick video filters and editing on the video. They created a direct narrative from Obama's statement to their goals. 3. They used a guy with a clear English speaking voice to deliver the message. This guy is likely from the West, and probably doesn't have the balls to cut this guy's head off. So they have a pro do it off screen. The Caliphate has a relatively sophisticated and organized media wing, these are basically terrorism marketers, not the guys on the front lines hardened from battle. The masked man in the video is definitely a media guy. 4. The jump cut to the beheaded body insulates the media guy from the dirty work, and also makes it digestable on western news stations. 5. It also has psy-ops value. Look at all the conspiracy fags in this thread. The one thing the Islamic Caliphate wants is to keep the US out of the fighting. Its what they demand in the video. They need more time to establish their government, build up troops and secure capital to fund their jihad before they take us on. If you can have westerners questioning the actions of their own government in this video you can delay action and have time to grow strength.
Sit down and think about what these guys want and its not hard to figure out. Keep it simple, don't go off into Discovery Channel conspiracy.
We would make a lot more progress if we outlined what we knew.
OBJECTIVE FACT: The executioner "sawing" through Foley's neck isn't doing shit. He's getting him with the backside of the knife. No blood and no damage. There is no disputing this. If you do so, you are fucking retarded.
Now, ISIS could have done this for whatever reason. Perhaps this was the best take they had and they wanted to perfect the speech part in one go before they cut the head off because they could only kill him once. Either that or it's a little bit of both and this is bait to kickstart WW3 and 4.
>>564692348 I agree that it's weird that they don't show the whole video since they always do. Maybe it's a rusty dull knife? Like maybe they were embarrassed about how long it took them and just ended the video there
All you retards that think it was fake should really see how it it when you cut yourself or somebody else it's not some shit tier action move where blood spills from the wound in a matter of miliseconds To test this I recommend you slit your own throat and see for yourself will the blood come out instantly. I cut myself a lot of times on various places by incident, and I know when you cut yourself a big one blood doesnt come flowing like niagara.
Is there no full-version of the beheading where we actually see the head being removed? This is far tamer than other decaptiation videos; Daniel Pearl, those two unfortunate chainsaw victims, etc. Not seeing this man who is alive in the video having his head actually removed in the video is a giant red flag that should make anyone with enough sense to count to six call bullshit.
>>564701929 You make a lot of good points. But, doesn't it make sense that this would be created intentionally to inflict rage and gather supporters to put down foot troops in Syria/Iraq? Don't a lot of people believe that 9/11 was crafted for nationwide support to invade Iraq 12 years ago? This seems to be a very similar situation. I feel like this was done on purpose. Not the video per say but the entire situation. >Go in and destabilize >Leave >Allow extremists to take control >"oh no, terrorists controlling region/threatening neighboring countries, what if they get their hands on nuclear weapons??" >Gather support to invade >Eliminate problem, re stabilize region >Control region >Control oil >Control planet >USA wins again
>>564700529 ok, no one else is going to reply to you, and that is because you are a fakin idiot. i just thought i would take the time to tell you why no one replies to your tl;dr bullshit. faggot. your mother hates you.
>>564702834 ok med fag go watch some more decap vids or people getting shot, if you watched that whole video nufag 15 sec go by and no blood, less than a second blood comes from deep wounds unless your a fucking mummy cuz sand is shit for blood any way, go cut your throat and post
>>564702610 that and this: similar to how shit goes down in a lot of thriller/horror movies, just the suggestion of something happening has far more impact on us then actually showing it. it lets our fucked up minds fill in the blank.
where can i find the fucking whole video already? where can i find the fucking whole video already? where can i find the fucking whole video already? where can i find the fucking whole video already? where can i find the fucking whole video already? where can i find the fucking whole video already?
>>564704082 Precisely, so why does this one not show the actual act? ISIS is fully capable and willing to kill to meet their objectives. What makes this one different from the thousands of others they have killed, from executions they have recorded and we can see in their entirety?
>>564703106 I don't see a lot of rage. I don't turn on the CNN and see a bunch of twitter hash tags calling for invasion. I see a lot of people online questioning the legitimacy of the video and second guessing our actions. People are aski g "Should we go in? I dunno, it blew up in our faces last time..."
If the CIA really wanted to inflame the west into action they would have put a nuclear bomb in the background, or a chemical weapon, a fake dirty bomb. The west has already seen dozens of murdered reporters, we don't go to war over it.
Which begs the question. When most of the people in this thread end up fighting in WW3, will we end up doing ANY good? I know most of everyone would join up to kill ISIS, but it makes me wonder if ISIS would even be a problem past 1-2 days and we end up fighting someone else in the center of some other shit-storm.
modded some mondo gore bizzare forum a while back, seen every single beheading video out there and practically everything else to.
Normally blood just squirts out as soon as they start cutting, literally just flows out. And why would they cut and not show the rest? These types of guys never cared about censoring gruesome videos before.
This is either a fake false flag to get public support for another war or they are still keeping him alive in some warehouse. Or they wanted a European jihadist to do the beheading but he pussied out and they had to get some one else to do it of cam.
>>564697790 There would still be a buttload of sandniggers screaming allahu akbar though. Foley's been in their hands for some time now. Some edgy rap star with no interest in their retarded ways wouldn't be "chosen" to do the beheading.
They wanted to create something that would upset the west psychologically. Having an english speaking guy and slick production achieves that, the fact that this guy could be among us. Your other theories dont really make sense, if the USA wanted to control the region, they would have done it first time round.
>>564704503 Of course we don't go to war over it. But it certainly helps in getting people pumped and can be added to the list of things ISIS has done to justify an invasion. Assuming this was a plot by our own government, this would be 1 of many things they could cook up to get support for another ground invasion. I'm not saying I am right or that this is what I believe, but at this point I see it as a possibility as well as the possibility of the execution being genuine and ISIS having no ties with the CIA in anyway. Basically I feel we have 2 problems here.
1. ISIS is a fake ploy by the US to justify invasion 2. ISIS is real and not affiliated/funded/backed by the US/CIA in anyway, in which case we might have a serious problem on our hands.
>>564706279 I think Islamic Caliphate is real. Sure, its possible that the CIA is involved, but it doesn't make much sense. The us is now a major oil exporting country, we don't need the middle east to keep fuel prices low and exploit the environment. Oil companies are making a killing as is.
This is a natural development of sectarian violence between flavors of Islam. They are banding together to become a single Islamic power, and ultimately defeat the infidels of the West. There are too many splintered factions to do that. The jihadis are cleaning house before they take us on.
>>564707429 What are the odds they actually pull together and organize enough to where they could harm the US? I mean, prior to 9/11, when was the last time the US was assaulted by another force? pearl harbor? Even then it was all aerial, no Imperial soldiers ever walked on US soil due to invasion. I've watched some videos and done some research on ISIS and like 12 year old kids as well as grown men will say things like "We will invade the US and split the country in half!" I mean do they really think they can do this? What is their ultimate goal, to take down Western cultures, do you really think they could ever achieve that? This isn't rhetorical, I'm genuinely interested in the potential this movement has to cause any real damage to a place like the US or UK.
>"Read the words clearly and we won't release a video of us slicing your head off, that could be seen by your family."
I'm pretty sure this is how it went down, look at Foley's face as Abdul is talking, you can't fake that.
Also if they ever find Abdul and take it to a civilian court, any decent defence lawyer could get him out of a full on murder charge, there's nothing in that video to suggest Foley was killed as it was being recorded.
Anyone notice how good the quality and editing of this video was? The sound quality was on point, the video quality was good compared to the other videos they have posted. They editing was superb compared to any others they have posted. I may have seen only one video that had "decent quality, but even then it was not as good as this one.
LMAO! Really!??! ISIS are BUYING magicians props to stage cutting off a foreign national's head?! When they upload videos merrily of mass murder and other decapitated bodies?
I don't understand you faggots who think this is fake? Are you that far in denial? I can just begin to understand that you don't want to believe you watched the ACTUAL beginnings of an ACTUAL beheading by saying the video is fake, but the photo is real (i.e they killed him after) - but WHY? These fucking barbarians do this on a daily basis and they are trying to:
A) Strike fear in the West - and dare I say it ther are achieving it to a certain extent
B) Recruit other potential ISIS members
Don't forget, these cunts are well funded and appear pretty savvy. They are not a bunch of camel fuckers who are pissed off, they are well funded camel fuckers, and they are using videos like this (and the other scores of videos posted on the #REKT threads) as propaganda as it is disseminated all over the world via the internet and social media. And it is calculated. And we are lapping it up.
Why do you feel the need to write com'on numerous times in every single fucking post you make? I'm trying to fap to this beheading but this annoying shit is killing my vibe. Com'on com'on com'on com'on com'on
>>564709175 Why do I think it's fake? Because I'm totally in love with the internet. I've been on /b/ for 8 years - 8 years too many. I've seen every video on ogrish, every beheading on liveleak, every nigger chimp-out on worldstar... i've seen it all. Every piece of goddamn terrible imagery that was never meant for kind souls to see, I have seen. I've lived in the asshole of the internet for longer than most people have been on facebook.
I've seen dozens, if not scores, of men getting beheaded. Hundreds of videos of people dying. Thousands of images of murder, accidents, and every bloody mess in between.
All of the beheading videos follow cadence: cut the neck, the victim bleeds. That's not just editing, and it's not simply "hollywood magic". It's a fact. One slice and the neck spews forth blood. I've seen this more times than a man should have ever seen this.
Based purely on anecdotal evidence, after years of seeing what happens during a beheading, I can tell you irrefutably that this video is completely fake.
>>564709913 >All of the beheading videos follow cadence: cut the neck, the victim bleeds. That's not just editing, and it's not simply "hollywood magic". It's a fact. One slice and the neck spews forth blood. I've seen this more times than a man should have ever seen this. >Based purely on anecdotal evidence, after years of seeing what happens during a beheading, I can tell you irrefutably that this video is completely fake.
just feel your own carotid artery on your neck, it's right under the skin. you only have to cut through like 1/2 inch of tissue to cut it, so there's no reason he shouldn't have bled out unless >>564709975 is true (last part)
>>564692348 you can see the knife's middle being covered by 'skin' this means he is cutting into something.. the lack of blood could means he's cutting into a fake neck or that it is real and somehow the knife was being pressed so blood didn't spill out before the vid cut out.
honestly, idk. I don't think it's a conspiracy since it's doing nothing but costing the government money and effort. maybe they are keeping him alive for another reason and the government is playing dumb? I dunno... kinda weird how it's being blocked harder than CP.
there is no protocol, they can do what they want to achieve the affect they want.
>my only thought would be maybe they told him "if you say the anti-america speech we won't show your head being cut off in the video" and he went along with it(?)
there are many explanations, another captive said Foley underwent many mock executions, he has been held captive for 2 years, it would be pretty easy to manipulate with lies, and mental and physical torture
>>564692348 Seriously now, can someone tell me why the organisation you claim to have faked this would take such a huge risk by faking it?? Why dont they just really actually cut some dudes head off ?? Tell me, I dont get whats in for them to NOT kill some random dude
>>564706362 Think of it like this: They tell you you're about to be executed, you shout out your stupid shit, this pisses them off and they decide not to execute you and instead torture you indefinitely.
When you're facing brutal torture and execution is your only way out a person will say or do anything to make it all end.
Why are there so many people asking "Well, why didn't he yell something in spite of them? Or why did he even say those things?"
He said them because he didn't want to be tortured if he refused. And I'm sure that if any of you were sitting in the dirt with your hands tied, knowing that you were about to have your head cut off, you would be too busy shitting yourselves to think of something le ebin to say.
>>564710978 I totally agree, if the USA wants to go in my vote or opinion won't matter. But people in this thread are jumping on wild conspiracy theories and false flags when there are more plausible AMD simpler explanations of why this video is the way it is and the Caliphate is real.
Maybe I'm not seeing it but what is this supposed to be showing, that they didn't conduct the interview in there own home, so therefore are fakes? They're not really Foley's relatives? James Foley and his entire family never existed and are just false identities?
>>564711950 Fucking this. These are the people who think the government was responsible for killing thousands in a false flag attack on the WTC.
Why wouldn't they just actually kill a man now? Why would they look at something that people on an image board would look at and say, "that's fake" and agree that they should upload it?
If anything, it's genius on behalf of ISIS. Clean your uniform, have a British guy speak in the beginning, and cut the actual beheading. Do everything to make it look like the government fake it so that people distrust the government even more than they do.
>>564710635 >I don't think it's a conspiracy since it's doing nothing but costing the government money and effort.
That is exactly the point, war is debt and debt is profit for big bankers. There has never been any major war without big bankers because without big bankers nations can't afford big wars. War is ALWAYS debt.
btw, ISIS should be wiped off the planet, but I just don't buy this video, sure the dead body is probably real, but the part where he is beheading him, is just so fucking fake. It looks like to me, that someone else did the dirty work.
But seriously tho, Why did IS censor the video? If you think about their whole stradegy and tactics, they win battles with psychological warfare, in other words, they are super brutal for a purpose. So... Why did they censor it?
>>564712347 Sort of. For one thing, they said that they were in their parents' home in New Hampshire, but that picture falling basically says that it was a stage built for this. Everything looks fairly staged imo. The flash does indicate these are actors, not siblings, but I don't know about that. How easy would it be to make up a life? Two lives? A family? I think you can make it all pretty easy with the help of facebook and the internet.
>>564708187 There is no real threat. US could ally with even one or two wold powers and squash out isis fairly quickly id say. Even with just continually air strikes (think rolling thunder) we could ruin them.
>Why havent we
Because moralfags/liberals will protest assumin airstrikes can only be so precise and we will kill civilians. And also it takes money. Which we have none of.
>>564712935 I live a few towns over from Newtown, and I don't think that was a staged event. Not sure why it would be. The only gun reform that came from that was I have to buy half clips at a time in Connecticut.
i think it's all just to sway public opinion, i said from the moment i heard of this that its probly a false flag. not long ago the whole public revolted at the mention of going into syria, now everyone is all about hating muslims. America has killed half a million people in Iraq alone, they are a capitalist society that is controlled by corporations who need war to survive. be honest with yourself, you know who the real terrorists are./
>"Crisis actors" are professional actors ostensibly deployed by government agencies and/or the mainstream media to delude the public with portrayals of trauma and suffering: specifically, to act as victims or witnesses in staged school shootings or hoax terrorist attacks. >Professionally trained actors
>the video you linked goes on about how these people aren't actors and have so been instructed to do minimal actions. >The guy looks exactly like Foley, and is clearly related to him.
Un..Unless the US government combed the entire US to find someone who looks exactly like renowned photojournalist James Foley, years before he's a well known photojournalist, enrolled this look-a-like into the USAF under the name Foley, allowed him to build up is identity as John Foley, in order for the US government to fake the beheading of his "brother" years later to increase public animosity towards an enemy that didn't exist when "John Foley" was first enrolled into the USAF...you know what...i think you're on to something...
>>564714634 Let's say Jim Foley was a single dude, family all died when he was young, no real friends because as a journalist, he has to keep moving around the world. Nobody is gonna miss that guy. Sure, he'll be a poster child for whatever he's trying to be a poster child for, but you can't empathize with him because who's gonna miss him?
Give him a mom, a dad, a brother and sister - the all-American family - and suddenly, it's something that could happen to any of us.. EVEN YOU.
But James Foley existed, he was a real person who met other real people, for the made up family to succeed in the scenario you are suggesting he would have had to go through his life without forming any sort of relationships with anyone he ever met in his entire life, even before he became a journalist. Someone would remember him and his family all dying.
>>564715841 I'm saying he was hired because of his unique circumstances. Maybe his girlfriend never met his parents. Maybe his friends never actually went over his house. He could have just been a quiet guy who won the gov't lottery.
Ok, if James Foley lost hist entire family when he was a child and then went through life never mentioning it to anyone, then yes a fake family could be created more easily to aid in selling a fake execution, i'll give you that one
>>564716734 Doesn't really matter if the only people that can see through your schemes is lonely neckbeards on some obscure internet forum with a horrible repution. Most people have no experience with gore and can't tell that this is fake and the people that can don't really have any means to spread the truth. And even if they did they can easily be dismissed as conspiracy nuts or by just using emotion and loaded question. Imagine if some one went on TV and explained why this is fake. He would get 2-3 words out before the reported started screaming something like this. >Are you saying this is fake? Are you in insane we have all seen the video and i personally cannot believe that you are calling this fake. Don't you have an respect for their relatives or family? Every time you say its fake its like you are killing their son, brother and child over and over again.
>>564719460 That's the thing with these conspiracies, idiots think the whole world revolves around the couple of stories that are in the western press, there is a whole world of shit out there that we never get to hear about
it was made high quality, with an english speaker, and without the actually killing so that it would go viral. Because it was made this way, sites won't delete it and your average person is more prone to share it. No one is going to share a grainy, shaky cell phone video of a maniac yelling ALLAH SNACKBAR DERKA DERKA as blood spurts out of an open neck. Stop being so god damn stupid.
>>564726121 Other anons have given various reasons to do so, although very few were interesting. I would consider it all fake, either an attempt from the terrorists to turn american opinion against its leaders or an attempt from said leaders to justify yet another costly war in the middle of nowhere.
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