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What's it like to be a minority sjw shit head that nobody on this site respects not to mention anyone respectable respects either. Occupy SJW rights are >>>/anonops/ that way >>568313304 Anon pls, we all she is.
>>568313292 >Feminism is a piece of the jigsaw puzzle of equality. Doesn't make sense to me. Feminists oppose equality, MRA seem(lacking info) to oppose equality, how would piecing them together yield egalitarianism?
>>568312814 Please don't take this as a troll. This is a legitimate question.
Why do "feminists", "social justice warriors" or any other persons otherwise seeking "equality" almost invariably mean "putting down straight white males and putting everyone else on a pedestal"? Even in the OP image, the characters represent a middle eastern person, a female, a disabled person, a gay man, a black person, an old person and an otherwise ethnic person. There is no white straight male in this image. How can you stand for justice and equality by waging a war against one demographic?
Meh. Rape is a problem, but they're blowing it out of proportion. Or at the very least failing to address it in a complex and sane way.
For example, they throw a tantrum every time a new anti-rape product emerges instead of celebrating. Like the nail polish that lets you know if your drink has been spiked. That's fucking science and work!
>>568313818 not OP, not even a feminist, but don't act like you don't already know the answer. It's because of the very fact that you immediately notice any image that doesn't have a straight, white male in it because straight, white men are overrepresented in popular media.
I don't really think that's necessarily a problem, but hey.
>>568314542 I'm sorry, I must be dumb, because I legitimately didn't know the answer. I do agree straight white males are very common in media but generally they have been cultural characters throughout time; the rise of the western world, and as such, the white male attributes to that. However that doesn't explain the answer... why should white males be left out of the image? Because they've been "dominant" for the longest time? Why should they be punished for that? I'm not even male, I'm just wondering. I always see this shit in feminist arguments. I don't follow /v/'s anti-feminist things, but I do usually sort of agree with them.
You actually seem like a reasonable representative of a more moderate, sensible ideology/movement. I think a knee-jerk reaction of hatred has permeated from the critics of feminism, and I have to admit, I disliked you immediately when I read 'Feminist'.
However, you sound like someone I could agree with. Thank you for just being a relatively good representative of something very serious.
I don't fucking know why they'd specifically leave out a representation of a straight, white male. It is a bit hypocritical - then again there's countless other stereotypes of different people and identities that the picture also doesn't include. Images like these always leave somebody's identity out and it's not really a good way to get a message across in my opinion.
/v/'s latest anti-SJW was really entertaining to watch, though, and they did have a point if only because the opposing side was so pants-on-head retarded
>>568314486 Exactly. I've met nutjobs who want to end urinals.
>>568314792 Good question, and a view that I used to long hold.
I don't ever want children. But someday I'm gonna be old and alone in a care home and I'm gonna need a future tax base in my country supporting me. Providing maternal/paternal leave increases birth rates and keeps the pension pot growing.
I don't have questions, but even though I'm anti-egaliterian, anti-democratic, and anti-progressive, you seem like a mature and intelligent person, I wish other feminist would be like you (or there wouldn't be any at all, but nevermind that)
>>568315027 there is an old guy in the pic i think the answer is that people who belong to minorities are generally more oppressed ar in need for protection by society. >>568315201 these minorities are under presented in politics, education, public
THERE IS NO GOOD FEMINISM AND NEVER WAS THANKS TO SUFFRAGISTS WE HAVE WELFARE STATE AND OTHER FUCKED UP THINGS GIRLS HAVE TO GO TO SCHOOL, SO THEY ARE TAUGHT TO BE WORKING SINCE VERY BEGINNING FEMINISTS TOOK AWAY THE CHANCE TO LIVE TRADITIONALLY AND THEY CALL THAT "PROGRESS" NOT TO MENTION THE SECOND AND THIRD WAVE, THESE ARE FULL RETARDS
>>568314109 What the hell is whit girls ( no matter feminist or not) with rape fantasies. What turns you on? That some man would break all social boundaries to get your pussy, or rough sex ( physical dominance). Since I got in the gym I try to be more aggressive in bed, but I just feel that is not me or I try to hard. Girls seem to love that kind of behavior.
Straight white people being over-represented doesn't really bother me. What annoys the fuck out of me is how often minorities are reduced to stereotypes. That does far more harm.
As a straight white guy growing up, there are literally thousands of different types of role-models in media to choose from. Minorities? Not so much.
The flamboyant gay is a good example. That shit is stupid and annoying, but Hollywood pushed it for years until that's the character everyone now associates with gays, to the point where gays grow up feeling like they should be acting like a fucking bimbo. Sigh.
The comic-relief and or badass black guy, too. These two stereotypes have probably done even more damage.
>>568316362 motherfucker im talking shit because were anonymous and obviously I only know so much of one thing. That's what makes this place great, shit talk. Im not here to make friends and truth be told, I quit skating since I was god awful at it. Now please, proceed to the nearest suicide spot immediately.
>>568312814 From a feminists point of view, do you find it insulting that when a woman is in view distance, I'll always check out her tits and ass before anything else? I'm asking, because I don't really know what feminism is about.
Firstly, this cunt claims to be female and hardly any of you fucking retards in here are asking for tits. Secondly. this cunt of an OP claims to be a feminist and you morons are actually accommodating this dick chugger.
Fucking hell, /b/. You've changed; and not for the better.
>>568313160 >The Equality Act is anything but uninspiring. It's a cornerstone for modern society. >Not to mention the fact you noticed it. It's probably a piece of legislation stopping white males from succeeding in a society that their ancestors built.
As a white male I've made a pact to stay on the dole indefinitely. Fuck this society that hates me for who I am and treats any success I might have with suspicion. Fuck this constant barrage of shit I have to read telling me, day in, day out, what a piece of excrement I am simply for being born. I quite simply refuse to contribute to a system that hates me and pay taxes so man haters and white guilt robots can spend it on diversity think tanks. Fuck it all.
>>568316907 Well, of course you were god awful at it. Everyone is god awful at it. That's why you skate more, and become better. I guess some of us are just more ambitious, or have different mind sets going into skating. For me, skating isn't about being "good", or "bad". It's about much more.
>>568316602 Yip. It was awkward. Ended up triggering her and she didn't come to debating club anymore.
>>568316750 Why not both? And MRA stuff too? And humanism?
>>568316881 Studied politics at university, studied outside university. Just grew into it.
The original thing that pissed me off was male circumcision. Which led to female circumcision etc. I do a lot of anti-circumcision stuff. Let the child choose when they grow up, but for gods sake don't perform cosmetic surgery on a baby boy or girl who can't grant permission.
>>568316989 You're a special unique snowflake. Just like everyone else.
>>568316997 Between the Daily Mail and the Guardian I've given up on feminism in the media.
>>568317102 I'm sorry, not a single one of those things were true. I'm ginger, long hair to my shoulders, don't wear glasses, and have blue eyes.
Where do you get your information from on 'mainstream feminists'?
It's pretty easy to put yourself in a kind of political bubble on 4chan and certain subreddits -- and even facebook. People find something stupid a feminist has said. They repost it as an image, knowing it'll get hate. It spreads, because internet. These feminists get notoriety, people assume their views represent feminism, rinse-repeat, circlejerk continues.
>>568316164 >We shouldn't criticise treatment of women in Islamic countries e.g. the veil, because we are white and they have a different culture. >That's just bullshit. If it's unacceptable to treat a woman that way in the free world, then it's bloody well unacceptable to treat a woman that way in the Islamic world. >You shouldn't get special privileges for your religion.
So you pretend to teach non white women how to be good white women?
>>568317353 OP didn't try to get attention with her gender. do you remember when /b/ had 10 atheism threads running at the same time? now every atheist is made fun off with the fedora maymay and /b/ is full of christian and agnosticism threads. with so many anti-feminist threads lately this was bound to happen
>>568317712 Growing up thinking you're decent and living in an equal society, then stumbling on an entire scene that is devoted to destroying you for who you are can have a lasting effect on a growing boy.
Seeing feminist literature at about 14 has literally scarred me for life. I was distraught to think that me, a tolerant person, can be so openly hated and denigrated for nothing.
>>568312814 Why would we expect people to be equal?? Makes alot of sense to me, to discriminate between inividuals, on the basis of the attributes. The attributes should of course be relevant to the situation: ie related to what the discriminating party desires (ie skill/ability).
Should individuals not be free to make bad selections, such as discrininating on the basis of a rather abritary (in most cases) character such as race/sex. It is after all to their own detriment if their ignorance results in them making a suboptimal choice.
>>568312814 Why do you have to label yourself a "feminist" if you're advocating true equality? Why not a humanitarian or something that promotes equality for ALL people and not just for women when it conveniences them?
>>568317997 I just don't agree with the MRA or feminism movement, because it doesn't seem like they really want equality, or more so they want to be above the other side. Rarely do I see either side discussing issues related to the other gender. I mean there have been events in Canada where MRAs have tried to hold conferences only to be disrupted by feminists and this has happened year after year after year. That doesn't really sound like they are looking for equality. Then you go to any MRA site and they rarely talk about womens issues. Obviously both sides have a bias for their respective gender, which isn't necessarily a bad thing since they are obviously trying to fix issues related to their genders, but it just doesn't really feel like they want equality. Both sides seem to be misogynistic or misandristic.
At least if you are an egalitarian you can jump to defend both genders, or other genders as well, without having to succumb to bias or shit flinging.
It's like the aforementioned tentacles. They're nice to think about; but in reality it's not possible.
And even if it was possible it would probably be horrible. *rape*
All joking aside though, societies with a better gini co-efficient have lower suicide rates etc. As well as less crime. So I think it is overall better for everyone to not have an equal society, but a 'more equal' society.
>>568318593 From my mother it was "All men are assholes". To be fair, she had valid cause to be bitter, but I feel it wasn't exactly nice to take it out on me.
At the university there were seminars where we were supposed to attend and for some reason the male dominance in society always sort of ended up with me being called out to explain myself to why this is so. I had no replies, obviosuly.
And at work it's the usual lunch room talk. Female dominated workplace.
>>568318679 >this guy "Why call it gay pride or black rights instead of humanism?" <--- that's what the sounds like. It's also like telling someone who donates to one cause "why don't you donate to all!"
No, really, fuck off, gender roles were good. There's equality in patriarchy, it means that as men and women are made to do different things, both are valuable and needed the same, since we all need what they do. And now girls are basically forced to work, so they cannot be stay-at-home mothers. That's what you 're proud of? Then you support the degradation of family and further, whole society. Fuck off.
>>568319038 same way you might feel about men who say the same thing. There will always be people on every side of things that make claims that are extreme, but I've seen more MEN claim men can't be raped. There was a post somewhere that proves women fought to include men in the possiblity of "rape" because lawmakers had concluded while men can be molested, they can't be raped, even though that was because rape = pussy penetration
>>568318676 >That attitude won't really get you anywhere. I think you've got a lot of self-inflicted anger, or irrational hate going on. Maybe see a counselor or psychiatrist.
I don't plan to go anywhere. I could achieve lots, I know that, but I don't want to pay taxes to a string of governments who clearly hate me, who would then spend said taxes on a load of lefty bollocks (that is probably designed in some roundabout way to "deconstruct" my whole identity).
>>568319221 >this mad At this point you are grasping at straws. What do you think the answer is in the VERRRY rare case this happens? Does it seem weird to you how likely it is for a woman or man to be raped by a man vs a man by a woman?
>>568319289 >>568319038 feminist manipulation and bullshit. Fucking women think they are so smart but their brains are smaller and their bodies are predisposed to being subservient. This feminist shit out there is just the pussification of the male gender, not actually empowering women to be better....its just bringing the male dominated world down.
>>568319358 This is divorce rates in America. The spike isn't due to "feminism", it's due to the no fault divorce law that made it possible for people to file for a divorce in a situation where neither party is explicitly guilty due to extramarital affairs etc. It's not a feminist law. It's completely egelitarian.
>>568319621 >making widly misogynisy claims >admits to think of women in this light >hurr why do we need feminism Under that logic, if you are old you can just die already. If you are a small man, you can just die already. If you aren't alpha you can just die already. Because, uuuhhh, muh biology! The irony when sissy boys write this shit
>>568318430 >Don't disregard parts of the world where the idea of feminism is actually needed
Those feminists should construct their own feminist experience, they should subvert the feminization of their own culture on their on way, otherwise if cocky femen feminists come and say "hey, we're gonna teach you how to feminist, pay attention" it becomes just another colonial experience and a form of subtle opression.
>>568319968 >Women goes to jail, child goes into government protection, or if the father grants EXPRESS PERMISSION, he may keep the child that is biologically his own. >implying the court will believe him
>>568317487 Or, and here's a novel idea, you could just not worry about difference and equality. Get to know people a bit better, and you'll find that all personalities in general approach the phrase, "just trying to get by."
Leveling the playing field is nice. Flipping it in one direction or the other is shite.
>>568317751 >generalizing a group such as feminsts and claiming only a small portion "have a brain". Since when is fighting for your rights a mark of stupidity? Oh right, you're shown what the media want you to see. You guys realize when women wanted to vote, they were still called "man haters" when they insisted and picketed?
How do you feel about Indians, Middle Easterners, and Asians who are perfectly competent students taking a back seat to blacks who are half as competent in admissions? How do you feel about emergency services, like firefighting, lowering the physical standards for female employees? Would you feel comfortable with trusting these female employees with your life or the lives of your relatives and friends?
Feminists who think they are becoming empowered by attacking men and creating regulations on them arent actually providing anything constructive. In fact, the very fact that they are still yammering on about men DEFINES their struggle as them being weaker than men and it will never evolve beyond that. They are self defeating in that respect.
the fix? see above. Invent something mother fucker, forget about men, leave them be, CREATE your own fucking world that you "know" you are better than men about. Don't fucking say it, don't define yourselves as a comparison on how you stack up against men. Compare yourselves in your success and your ability to create value and success, not at how much you can bring men down from what they have acheived just so you can fucking share in some of it. FuCK these FEMINISTS.
But Im all for, and support, strong women who pave their own way and bring "us feeble men" along for the ride with them. WE fucking dragged your asses through the ages...time to return the favor bitches.
>>568320827 This is the kind of shit that tumblr has somehow incorporated into their special, batshit brand of "feminism". The whole idea of feminism was never even a big point of discussion on 4chan before these exceptional individual made it interesting
>>568321325 Feminism tells women that if they want to embrace their nurturing/nesting instinct then they are worthless traitors. To be taken seriously, women MUST completely assimilate men. Never mind the plummeting birth rate or anything...
What do you make of the recent bout of rapists from ISIS kidnapping yazidi girls in Iraq and selling then en masse for sexual slavery to jihadists that can afford it? After butchering their families, of course.
Excuse my grapahic manner, of course, but I hate muslims even more than I hate feminazis. Seems to me like you're not one for liking the latter either, so my other question is about the former. What do you make of muslims and their general treatment of women?
No. There are no such thing as "natural traits" but asking women to stop trying to change an structurally rigged system against them, and instead "roll with it" it's asking them to behave like men, it can be done, yes, it shouldn't be done.
>>568320826 No. They should be left to either work shifts or start a business, like anyone else without brains. I'm poor as shit, but I've started my crawl into a 4 year-university from a community college. I'm going to take out a loan, once I transfer. Trust me, there are two types of poor people. The normal ones, who put their back into living and build small empires from scratch, and the ones who would stab you as soon as look at you, only because you've never done anything for them personally. There are also the mental ones, but there are adequate provisions for them.
>>568321779 So science is "structurally rigged against women"? Are you saying that because the success of men in this area intimidates you and you don't know how to reconcile it with the propaganda you've been pumped full of, that tells you that a woman is better than a man at everything?
>>568312814 Not a question but seriously. You people make it hard for people like me to acclimate to society.
First girls from Pre-k to middle school yell and berate me for no reason other than I exist. Then you're telling me I can go to jail for an off handed comment while I'm out on deployment or in a general workplace?
>You blame commercials for your low self esteem...
This is kind of like the "sticks or stones" argument against bullying, and it's kind of silly. Sure, in theory you can just ignore the guy harassing you every lunch when you're twelve. But that theory doesn't really hold up, especially when you're twelve and don't yet have an adult's mental fortitude to deal with shit-talk.
The same is true of adverts. Companies wouldn't use adverts if they didn't work. And the side-effect of using attractive thin models to sell your brands is kids growing up feeling the need to look like attractive thin models, and then not being able to. Hence self esteem issues.
Same is true of men to a slightly smaller degree, except that boys have the advantage of growing up being expected to not care what people think of them. The opposite is true for girls, at least in my experience.
Which is not to say I wouldn't like feminists to take some ownership of these problems and stop blaming everyone else for their self-esteem issues, because focusing on it can just reinforce the problem rather than solve it.
>>568322476 Not at all. This is what feminists are about. Its not about equality, its not about women's rights, its about making men subhuman and gaining power over them. Im all for equality, but feminism is not the way to that at all.
>>568322512 In the West, they have the exact same opportunities as a man of equal social standing. Perhaps more, what with all the advocacy groups and special women's scholarships.
Yeah I know, it's starting to look a little embarrassing, all these decades of feminism and men still leaving women in the dust on just about everything that matters - but complaining that it's because it's "structurally rigged against women" is starting to look a little laughable. That might have been a plausibility in the 50s, but now? Gimme a break.
>>568322803 >I'm all for equality but I like to live in a fundamentally unequal system, because I think that equality can be achieved under structural inequality because my parents dropped me on my head as a child.
>>568323062 Oh ok, so the way to equality is to make everything a man does illegal, everything a woman wants to do legal, and paint men as rapist child/woman beaters who cannot control themselves? Yeah that makes sense. By your own reasoning any attempt for equality is in vain. That means that what feminism represents to you is wrong, you proved yourself wrong.
I've argued points in other posts. I don't need to construct an argument to refute a point you've failed to make.
You can be a feminist without being a communist. This is empirically true, since OP is not a communist and the majority of other feminists aren't either.
The two ideas aren't inherently linked. Some versions of feminism may imply communism, and some versions of communism may imply feminism. But there's nothing about the basics of either strain of thought such that one necessitates the other.
>>568323206 Okay, but I was of the understanding that we were discussing feminism in the west. Sure, there are places where feminism is really needed. The west ain't one of those places so I'd suggest all feminists fuck off to some third world shit hole and start trying to make progress there, rather than sitting here comfortable, coming up with ever more trivial "issues" to whine about.
>and there is no such thing as same opportunities even on "the west" as long as there are unequal material conditions but nice tri m8.
>>568322972 >through hard work you can achieve anything.
You haven read Max Weber, right?
Yeah, a lot of work can change a lot of things, and make you rich, but not your work, if you take the work of others, then its true. Because the amount of work one person, one body, can do isn't very different from one another. There's the structural inequality, some people get that rich by appropriating other people's work.
How do you address the fact that greatest misoginy happens in muslim countries and countries like India? Yet almost all feminists just try to pick on insignificant thinks in western countries. It feels like you are afraid to critisize other cultures...
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