don't mind me, just hijacking your thread
If God's reason is incomprehensible to humans and seemingly irrational to our comparably primitive minds, what good is it to try to appease him? Given the growth of various Abrahamic religions based off a single original ethos, and the existence of non-western religions, isn't it entirely likely that trying to live by a supernatural code to win the afterlife lottery will just result in angering the God you sidestepped approaching the one you thought looked best?
on a serious note, if god loves all, why the fuck doesn't he let gays into heaven, that's one of the main reasons i think religion is fucking stupid. also why the fuck does religion have a say in our government(united states) thats complete bullshit aswell
Look guys! I made it to heaven!
I personally have no problem with the idea of a God, but the question in my head is this: how does the Bible justify the concept of Hell?
If God is truly a loving, caring and all-forgiving God, then how could he see fit to punish his children for all eternity?
The entire point of punishment is to make those who are being punished into better people; to come out of it wiser and make the world better. If you are in Hell forever, then how could you possibly become a better person and improve the lives of people around you?
there's no reason to debate you. religion in general is dying. Every religion is splitting up into more/ smaller sub-religions, while others are giving up on god entirely. eventually, the bible will be just like The Illiad and Aesops Fable; nothing but stories and myths, while the few believers still left fight desperately to hold humanity back.
but you will lose.
here you go, ya christfag:
You just have to appreciate the small things in life. I am not only glad I am white. I am glad I have common sense, a full time job for the last 17 years, a wife and 3 children, a truck that doesn't break down all the time, food on my table, roof over my head, electricity, running water and most of all a firm belief in God. My ambition in life is to raise my children in a solid home with 2 parents, give them a childhood they will remember as the best time of their life and teach them to "do unto others as you would have them to do unto you" and the word of God as it is written in the King James version of the bible. I will also teach them to be proud of their race and not take shit off of whiney ass liberals and others that try to make their race out to be something hated or feared. I will not roll over and take it. 8 years in the Marine Corps has taught me to appreciate the things I have in life and not take shit from mother fuckers that do not respect me or mine. Yes mother fucker I am White and Proud of it. That is enough ambition for me because I know my race has kept this country alive and well. Look at Africa. More natural resources than the U.S. and they still live in the fucking stone ages. Shit yeah I am proud to be WHITE
Basing my counter argument solely off of Christianity, there isn't so much of an afterlife lottery but a free ticket so long as you choose to redeem it. Therefore your point is moot seeing as there isn't any chance of angering a God by accepting the gift in which he wants you to recieve.
According to the Bible, you can eat all that are in the waters that have fins and scales (Deuteronomy 14:9-10), the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters (Leviticus 26:29, Deuteronomy 28:53, Deuteronomy 28:57), the flesh of your friends (Jeremiah 19:9), the flesh your father (Ezekiel 5:10), the flesh of your arm (Isaiah 9:19-20), drink your own blood as the sweet wine (Isaiah 49:26), or you can eat your own shit and drink your own piss (2 Kings 18:27, Isaiah 36:12).
You can eat every moving thing that lives (Genesis 9:3), except those of them that chew the cud or of them that divide the cloven hoof (Deuteronomy 14:7-8, Leviticus 11:2-4). Don't eat shrimp (Leviticus 11:9-12, Deuteronomy 14:9-10) and don't eat your own vomit (2 Peter 2:21-22). When eating an animal, remember that all the fat is the Lord's and He doesn't like to share it with you (Leviticus 3:16). You can also eat all the insects which have four legs, except the flying ones (Leviticus 11:21-23).
You can eat all the herbs God created, none of them is poisonous to you (Genesis 1:30), but don't be a vegetarian: vegetarianism is the doctrine of the devil (1 Timothy 4:1-3). Only the weak are vegetarians (Romans 14:2).
:courtesy of ED:
Ok thats simple. God said in Bible (book writed by jews) that there can be no idols. no pictures etc. When jews made golden calf he was so angry that he cursed them so they couldnt enter DA PROMIZ LAND DAWG SHIEEE. So why the fuck you praise Jesus, why the saint shit you wearing cross on your fucking neck? There was alot of prophets in Bible: Noah, Moses, Joseph (Usuf in Islam), Avram, and none of them was praised. And then come another prophet, and you christians start acting like totall faggots, forget all the fucking rules, calling your religion with a name of weapon on which you prophet was killed. Whats wrong with you mate? Can you even explain why you catholic but not orthodox?
1 Theists are right. Everything can't come from nothing
2 Atheists are right. God can't come from nothing.
Since there are no other options that means that Universe can't exist. But it exists. Therefore logic is delusion.
The Woman Soup:
Thus saith the Lord GOD; Set on a pot, set it on, and also pour water into it. Gather the pieces thereof into it, even every good piece, the thigh, and the shoulder; fill it with the choice bones. Burn also the bones under it, and make it boil well, and let them seethe the bones of it therein. Heap on wood, kindle the fire, consume the flesh, and spice it well, and let the bones be burned. That the filthiness of it may be molten in it, that the scum of it may be consumed. She hath wearied herself with lies, and her great scum went not forth out of her: her scum shall be in the fire.
Yes, that was the old law of moses which was stating that the price for their sin, as with all sin, is death. But Jesus states that he gives life you are to only accept him and make clean that which made you a sinner. It doesn't say that being gay sends you to hell, it just says that being gay is a sin, just like lying or killing.
While i do support the idea of intelligent design i doubt is was an invisible man in the sky who unconditionally loves you. Religion is a sham and a hypocrisy and it just separates us more than it claims to bring us together. while i respect your freedom i don't respect your belief because they are just not true. People who believe that a man in the sky watches over all of us and then invites us to live with him once we die are usually placed in a psych ward , but when you label it religion its all fine.
Just stop this bulls shit OP. go
To your fucking church and preach. No one here cares about your satan or dog or Jewsus. FUCK OFF TROLL. I should be smited by all this "blasphemy" but get real. What are the chances that will happen? Your god is weak and powerless against ME.
Specifically, the Bible says he will:
Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world ― on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).
THE ONLY GOD YOU MUST BELIEVE IN IS THE ALMIGHTY DESU
He dead. I mean non existent sorry. Carry on. Nothing to see here. Abide by your own free will because you are the highest power. Do what you want because the only consequences are from society. (Society sucks btw I would abandon that too.)
I guess that's fair, given the jumping off point for this debate is "I'm a christian." I get that the point is to have faith, but I'm stuck on how you choose which leap of faith to take.
You believe in an invisible man in the sky that floats around judging us. I think you are way past getting sense talked into you.
Making sense is not an opinion.
The best way to convince someone not to be a christian is to have them read the bible. Which most of you fucktards don't.
Christianity has evolved into a once a week play date were you tell fairy tales and compare outfits. This creates an elevated level of smug that religious people pretentiously (and ignorantly) wear as a badge of accomplishment. There probably isn't a God, and even if there is it is pretty apparent he could give two short and curlies about the human race.
Cold truth is people need something to believe in because the reality is too hard for them to swallow.
You are born, you will die, and your existence as a whole is likely insignificant in the greater scheme of things.
Deal wit it 'man'
Alright... I'm going to give Jesus the benefit of the doubt that it's possible that he could change covenant laws, if he were the Messiah:
31 “The days are coming,” declares the Lord,
“when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
32 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to[d] them,[e]”
declares the Lord.
33 “This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,” declares the Lord.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
34 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”
declares the Lord.
“For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”
THE BIBLE IS PROVEN TO BE A WORK OF FUCTION ENCYCLOPAEDEA DRAMATICA TOLD ME SO
Organised religion is the shepherd for those who are too stupid to think for themselves.
I can't take anyone who believes in thousands of years old scripture that literally has no objective evidence and that anyone could've written.
because it was gods will...?
how about we turn this thread into something moar pleasant?
Being gay isn't a choice. But it is your choice to have sex or act on the impulse. Just like having sex out of marriage, jerkin etc. If you're gay God has put you on hard mode, just like someone with a high sex drive. Do i know why he'd do that? No, but that's his plan.
>inb4 4channel or christmin pick odin
You pretty much share my point of view.
Considering how massively large the universe is, the thought of a God creating it all and then giving two fucks about what we do on Earth is beyond stupid.
I can respect deists, but not those who claim to be a part of a religion. Organised religion is the cancer of humanity.
Windmill legs constantly hitting balls.. sucks
Mark 7 says
18And He said to them, "Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, 19because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?" (Thus He declared all foods clean.) 20And He was saying, "That which proceeds out of the man, that is what defiles the man.…
23 Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, “Go up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!” 24 When he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their number. 25 And he went from there to Mount Carmel, and from there he returned to Samaria.
This is my favourite story from the bible. Opinions?
moar like Ann Coultist amirite?