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Does philosophy actually have an ascertainable purpose? Or would the ascertainment of the purpose of philosophy ("the" purpose of philosophy, for you linguistic turnfags) only be possible either when utter Truth is somehow found, or else imposed?
>>581931232 Well, this is coming from someone who's read nothing on philosophy, but I'd say it's entirely up to the person using philosophy. Some would be focused on the result, which would be the utter truth found/imposed at the end of your question, or they would embrace the process of searching for that result, finding personal meaning in that side of things.
It's subjective I think. Personally, I see philosophy as a means to an end, that end being to understand the world. However, I don't extensively search for understanding for understanding, rather understanding for practicality. If it doesn't work, or I can see a way in the future where this way of thinking falls short, I'll try to correct it. However, I don't constantly try to invalidate my own understanding in order to reach true comprehension. I just try to search for truth when I see that false methods could no longer work.
>>581933531 That's a very good summary. You should study some philosophy, sounds like you have a natural tendency to think critically.
>>581932956 but anon, everything that you can ever experience will be subjective, limited to only your perception. But there must also exist a reality outside of perception. >thus comes the inter-subjective experience
>>581932395 "Metaphysics is a traditional branch of philosophy concerned with explaining the fundamental nature of being and the world that encompasses it, although the term is not easily defined." - wikipedia
>>581933524 is literally a perfect example of what I'm referring to.
>>581933378 it's quite simple. What is, is no longer a question, but now laws and actualities to adhere to.
No, experiences will be limited to the laws of reality, because I, just like you cannot escape said laws, no matter how much I pretend them to be subjective. That is a fact, just like gravity is keeping you on this earth, whether you believe it or not. The world is round, and that has been fact even before anyone believed it as well, even as they sailed across it.
>>581934393 I would start with some early Greek philosophers. Plato and Aristotle are really the basis of western philosophy. Plato's Republic is a good starting point. It's really hard for me to say where you should start, it's really about personal preference. But there is really a lot of good material out there.
>>581934646 metaphysicians focus on relativity because metaphysics is the only type of illogic that allows such thought. Adherents to realism and facts do not identify with metaphysics for said reasons.
>>581934994 What is a fact, anon? Something determined through inter-subjective experience, as I described. Reality as we know it is defined through the subjective experience of a mass, creating "reality"
>>581934994 I think we are limited to the laws of reality, but experience is not. Get what I mean? Like, a crazy person is bound by gravity, but they could completely believe that they are not. And if you were in their shoes, would you be wrong? We are bound by objectivity, but subjectivity can supersede that. We can perceive things as they are not, and those observations are just as legitimate as the objective ones to the observer alone.
>>581935712 Fact consists of laws and reality. You are the exact kind of scum I despise. You believe that everything is subjective simply because you can pretend it away, but are actually too brainless to realize that said laws and realities affect everything, regardless of whether you understand that or not. See my previous examples.
>>581936153 And what exactly are the laws and realities that you so claim. The laws of the earth. Sure, but I'm not asking "if" they're there, I'm asking /what they are/. If you say the physical laws, you're only giving them one property, whcih is certainly no full description, and also submitting to the quite metaphysical claim that the only laws are physical.
>>581936153 Oh boy, here we go... Kek, I don't believe the universe is subjective. I think our experience of it is. There exists a reality outside of me. Will I ever know it as such? No, because I have a subjective experience. And any fact is simply agreed upon by a majority. Everyone thought that the sun revolved around the world, and that was a "fact" Any fact is simply the belief of the majority
>>581936026 >quotes "illogic" >doesn't understand that illogic is a real word
This is almost painful. Please just get to your point.
>>581935813 Said crazy person is wrong. Of course he'll think he's right, because that's part of being wrong in the first place. Objectivity will always exceed subjectivity. Any amount of subjectivity will consistently and always crumble to that of reality in time. Objectivity, does not ever fail.
>>581936987 I agree. But, objectivity is separate from our own experiences. Truth will always win out in the end, but due to our subjective perception, it's not always clear what is and isn't objective and true.
>>581936987 And like that, you've successfully removed my interest in responding to you. I would think that you weren't a troll, except that all you could manage in response to the point you said I have yet to get to is a bicker with my quotations.
>>581936639 I don't recall only saying "physical laws". I used physical because it's the easiest to demonstrate. Listing every law and reality would take more than several lifetimes. Please don't bait me with this bullshit.
>>581936780 I think you'll know it as such. If you don't eat you will die. That's a fair taste of reality and objectivity, no pun intended.
>>581937467 Objectivity is not separate. Are existence is built and survives through our adheral to objectivity. This is a fact. Subjectivity in itself is the denial of objectivity on any level, be it large or small.
>>581938224 I doubt I'll ever convince you, as you seem emotionally invested in what I think of as the illusion of objectivity, as if you don't perceive the world subjectively like every other human being. But, I guess I'll say "in my opinion", experience is perceiving the objective subjectively.
Epistemology is a waste, JTB is never going to be strong enough, and there will never be a satisfactory fourth condition, tautology is the only reasonable knowledge, but it is impossible to demonstrate it being abelian. Skepticism is the only real philosophical standpoint; pragmatism is acceptable so long as you first admit a basic skeptical frame.
>>581930605 Communism can and will work. It's just a matter of gradual implementation of communist/socialist policies which creates an equal society while abolishing private property and denying any person of the position to take advantage of those who work.
>>581938224 >" I don't recall" stopped reading pretentious b tard spotted gtfo find a mirror masturbate slap yourself put finger in ass smell it realize it stinks and youre not special call nasa fly to moon
>>581939535 I never said it was one word. That is your subjective view, henceforth it being wrong. I cannot possibly perceive objectivity subjectively because, as i earlier stated, that would no longer be objective.
I'm not claiming that subjectivity doesn't exist, I'm claiming it to be a cancer to the mind.
>>581939346 >communism >works >group of jews, solely funded by jews creates the bolshevik party and murders 30 million hardworking and successful christian whites for the sole purpose of destroying their culture and setting their economy back.
>>581940745 I disagree. Plenty escape from it: the successful, wise and intelligent. People who understand the objective nature of the world and build off of it as opposed to pretending it away.
>>581941915 Your realize karl marx was more jewish than almost anyone you can find on this planet today, and the only reason his ideas rose to prominence was to be used as a weapon against the european people, right? This can be seen with even more prominence today with the rise of cultural marxism.
>what is the school of frankfurt >what is redefined critical theory
>>581942228 Ya got me. I'm intj. But seriously, I think that many of Nietzsche's beliefs make more sense than people give him credit for: relativism, the corruption of modern man, art for art's sake, anti-liberalism, etc.
>>581942540 Do you think I give a shit about whether he was Jewish or not? I'm not racist. And yes, I'm very much aware how his ideas were used against the people instead of for them. That doesn't mean his ideas are flawed. That simply means others are willing to use them to gain power. You're not going to convince me that the U.S.A. using "Democracy" and "Freedom" to obtain oil resources in the Middle East is any different.
>>581943037 i'm an INFJ, and i agree with nietzsche on some things and disagree on others. but i realize that those disagreements aren't really legitimate in terms of fact. it's just differences in how we would both address problems. INFJs lack Te, which is your main function for categorizing and making the world make sense, while INTJs lack Fe, which is my main function for categorizing and making the world make sense.
>>581943939 Alright. I get it now. Conspiracy theories about Jews taking over the world = Okay. Conspiracy theories about the U.S. getting oil in the Middle East = Outlandish.
We've seemed to have reached an impasse at which each side simply gets their views from different propaganda. Neither of us will be able to convince the other that their propaganda is the right one. Good day sir.
>>581944310 I haven't read much really. I've heard a lot from other people, and read a minor portion of Thus Spoke Zarathustra. I thought he was way too distrustful of other people's ability to think, referring to them consistently as the masses.
Oh, and MBTI means a LOT in my opinion. It's a very simple system, but can give a basic starting point in understanding to more complex relationships. I use it in conjunction with socionics, and it can give me pretty profound insight on people by just a few little tidbits leading me to their cognitive functions.
>>581946181 really? Do you now? Try "Conspiracy theories about Jews taking over the world."
Because it's not a conspiracy.
Jews make up 2 percent of the US population and account for 50 percent of US billionaires. They were also grossly disproportionately over represented in the Soviet union. Would you like a list of dual israeli citizens in the US congress too?
>>581931768 But the absurdity of such a contradiction is one among thousand points that point out the flaws in such a thing as omnipotence. Stating that two completely contradicting states can co-exist to due a single entities overbearing power is absurd. There are so many things wrong with it that I can't even begin to count them down, and THAT'S the point of the point.
>>581947219 The idea that some contradictions are okay has been defended in the form of paraconsistent logic by a number of mathematicians and logicians. Look up Graham Priest's work. He gives striking results about these systems which make them seem more plausible than they are at first.
>>581946603 How so? A mistake is a relative term, and many people are born into situations they can't get out of. Many people are raised in harmful environments, or may want to have children but can't afford it. Should the burden be put on them? I don't believe so. I believe as a society, we should enable all people in their pursuit of a well-paying job and their attempts to obtain happiness. Different people have different circumstances. The circumstances shouldn't be what is questioned, the system that prevents people with these circumstances from succeeding should be questioned.
>>581946603 Imagine there's an isolated village with 99 jobs for 100 workers. What the fuck is that hundredth worker supposed to do, jump off a bridge?
That's the environment in the United States; there are not enough jobs for everyone. The jobs are gone and they're not coming back. It's actually been this way for a couple decades, but nobody noticed because we've been chucking so many people in prison.
Jobs Culture needs to be completely discarded, as do all the various political systems based upon it. We need to stop holding people's necessities hostage and start automating the labor and the infrastructure so that people's needs can be met not because they 'earned it,' but as a matter of course because they're here.
>>581947869 I'm not questioning the idea that there are contradictions in many things we hold sacred, I'm questioning the dozens of contradictions about a single idea that are consistently derived from off-the-top explanations to defend this idea.
>>581947752 The reason that I find it absurd is because the logic we use with our limited perception is the only thing we can rely on. There may be things beyond it, but there is no reason to believe in these things without anything that can appeal to our sense of logic within our realm of perception. Perhaps there IS some kind of God that can do such a thing, but I have no reason to see one, therefore it's better to assume that the idea is unlikely given the circumstances with such contradictions.
>>581948610 I believe all morals are merely relative view-points about a circumstantial scenario derived from our base emotions.
All human beings base their actions off of what they consider at any given moment to be the preferable, or "right" course of action. Nobody intentionally does something while entirely believing what they're doing is the absolute wrong course of action.
>>581948704 Jewish families within their time tend to accumulate wealth. That wealth is passed onto their children and it culminates into their own businesses.
Personally, I am against this. I'm against inheritance. That doesn't mean that the Jews want to "take over the world" more than any other person. The only difference is that Jews have proven resourceful and thus make up a good portion of the bourgeois.
>>581948351 That makes sense unless you take into consideration a global economy ans trans national corperations. As far as I see it without a massive war or true revolution we as a species are fucked, and we will take the world with us.
On a sidenote libertarianism is an interesting though extreme philosophical concept. it's disturbing how America is embracing it as an actual social choice...give it a couple more years and you will see true crazy.
God, I remember some guy tried to start up thinktank threads a long while back. This reminds me of that. This environment of constant questioning, critical thinking and understanding is just so intoxicating. I love it.
>>581949302 I seriously don't think you get what I'm saying. Since you didn't read the talmud, perhaps you should know that it literally states that all other races other than jewish are less than animals and should be treated as such.
Or I guess you can just read this quote, if that's not enough for you. Go ahead, fact check it.
Even if pre1939 what you say is true...Hitlers legacy was a Jewish people who understood that without power they would be wiped from the face of the earth...you think Jews are stupid enough to let that happen...esspecially a people who control that much wealth?
Personally, I think that since CUNTinental philosophers are simply impossible to read without dictionaries FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL PHILOSOPHER, the CUNTinentals should have to prove their worth to the rest of us.
I will stick with my ANALytic philosophy, thank you.
I know that the lower class is not going to only have 1 or 0 kids. Its more of a suggestion. They're stupid and yeah, its not really their fault. Northern humans are smarter than southern humans. People have to come to terms with this. Its the main reason people get confused and upset.
Taking money from the rich, who have figured everything out, an giving it to the poor, is not going to solve anything, its only going to make things worse. You're giving power to the dumbest people in mass. It is not a good idea.
Oh and all this communist crap is basically like capitalism, but in a simpler and inaccurate form. Communism is basically guessing where things should go while capitalism is more natural and efficient.
>>581949615 But that's the problem with omnipotence is that if it doesn't cover every basis, then you can't refer to it as being "all powerful". But because of these contradictions, two states cannot coexist. A contradiction is usually either impossible for all intents and purposes, or it merely appears as such, but has some kind of solution. Because of this, the most logical conclusion would be that omnipotence cannot exist.
>>581950089 Your right...one of the changes that makes any sense socially right now is the west never giving aid to countries with expanding populations...not tying aid to control of population growth is possibly the craziest thing I have ever heard of.
>>581949827 Yes, but the only reason most people would do such a thing is because they find it funny. However, most people consistently state that they know someone is arguing a point they don't actually agree with, and they don't find it funny. So at the moment it seems everyone just doesn't want to admit that it is actually funny. Perhaps they find it funny to pretend it's not funny? I don't personally find that very funny. Any other possibilities?
>>581949676 Either the illusion that they don't know that everyone else knows they're retarded, the ability to make satire out of a position they disagree with like the other anon, or to find out other possible ways that would lead to the same conclusion as their preconceived judgement.
There might be more ways, but those are the main three I could think of.
>>581950089 >implying knowledge is all it takes to make capital, and not natural resources... >implying those who control or natural resources aren't in control of humanity What? This isn't the pioneer days where everything is up for grabs and all you have to do is work for it.
>>581950089 Everything you said is a prime example of why the poor are uneducated and, well... poor. You believe that you're superior because of certain circumstances. I don't think people are intrinsically equal, but I believe that what is "equal" is relative. So you have to go in with a mindset that we are equal. Similarly, not all poor people are stupid or uneducated, and not all rich people are intelligent or educated. Taking away jobs and power from the poor isn't going to solve anything. It's merely going to make them angrier and less informed, thus more likely to make poor decisions. Giving poor people the chance to make more money and be more educated means they can prevent the rich from taking advantage of them. The rich haven't "figured everything out" they've merely found ways to take advantage of the system to benefit themselves.
You have a preconceived notion that poor people are stupid because they're poor. While in reality, most aren't stupid, merely uneducated. Why are they uneducated? Because they either don't have the resources to educate themselves, or are born into an environment that prevents them from being educated for some other reason. Either way, this root problem isn't fixed by taking away chances and opportunity from them. Quite the opposite, in fact...
The majority of humans wish to extend their existence in some form.
I know many atheists that would like to live forever.
In religion, there is the concept of everlasting life, living on after your death.
However, I rarely meet anyone who is content with merely letting their consciousness or existence fade entirely. Ultimately, we fear the unknown. It's impossible to understand the concept of nothingness. So rather than asking the question with an obvious answer "Why do we fear death" it's the reverse. Some are perfectly content with letting their existence fade entirely. Why?
Not a single person has come out to play with my bro neitzche. Motherfuckers be scared of my nigga and his will to power. We all some competitive Motherfuckers and be living for the competition. Only thing that makes us truly happy. Religion is a curse since it stifles that natural competitiveness.
>>581951945 My problem is that I've recited mountains of facts backing my claims and you haven't. You've said literally nothing but implied me to be a racist and attempted to water down reality because it doesn't suit you. Exactly the kind of cancerous behavior that's murdering the west.
>>581951906 ...you need it spelled out what the consequences are of there not being enough jobs to go around?
You get that hundredth worker. You get a population of able-bodied adults with no place to go. They either work shit jobs with a high turnover rate, they mooch off of their parents, or they become the hopeless helpless homeless, living in shelters and gutters until they starve or freeze or one of their peers shanks them.
There are not enough jobs for everyone. Trying to artificially create jobs for everyone would be moving backward. If we want to move forward, we need to acknowledge that yes, there are not enough jobs for everyone, therefore it is not ethical or responsible to demand that everyone have a job if they want food, shelter, communication, et cetera. The economies we've built got us through the last couple thousand years, but we are in the process of outgrowing them.
>>581952857 Warrants are for those who can't extend logic. All sources are biased on a moral topic such as racism. Objectivity don't exist nigga, therefore if you ain't talking about something that is quantifiable and material, keep that shit to yourself.
>>581952823 I love Nietzsche bra. The concept of the Will to Power, his declaration that God is dead, and many other ideas that he created are ideas that I agreed with before I even knew he existed. I had developed so many ideas in my head, and when I read about him, it was like I was reading the very ideas I had come up with.
>>581952690 The reason why I would be content with fading entirely is because I'm not important on the large scale I don't think. I'm important to some, but not to most. There's nothing I bring to the table that someone else on this pale blue dot couldn't do better. However, I don't usually think about dying. I just want to make my experience as great as possible, and make those around mine just as great. If I were to die though, I wouldn't face it with panic or anger or grief or regret. I would face it with serenity. There's no reason to leave to me, but if I have to leave by certain circumstances then I'm entirely okay with that.
>>581952857 The term rascist is now being used to force division between people in the west. It as a word demands that you are repulsed from anyone who shows any anger at mass immigration and the damage it does to countries. It's modern terminology is vital to the feminist movement as, without mass immigration women would have to have more baby's to maintain population number's, and that would end the women's movement in a decade.
>>581953526 I understand your point, but death is an absolute. You cannot care about your significance or insignificance if you don't exist. Living on in some form allows you to continue being, perpetuating your own happiness, and caring about the ideas that make you want to live.
Nietzsche sucked? That's about all I remember from the one semester I took in Community. To be honest, too much of philosophy relies on religion, and not enough on people like Nietzsche. I may hate how he puts things, but at least he is reasonable, and more than likely correct.
>>581953793 There isn't a physical objectivity to be had when talking about abstract concepts. You can't quantify something that doesn't physically exist. It's a battle of relative ideas about the nature of existence. You're simply deliberately misinterpreting what he said.
>>581953723 The term Racism was made famous by Trotsky to neuter european pride. It was built as a direct weapon against the west, just like marxism and the two are heavily intertwined. It was always used in such a way, fellow friend.
>>581954124 The world Is a village. It's a very, very large village with finite resources and a finite number of people. Just because the thought experiment only includes 100 people doesn't mean it won't yield useful data about 7 billion. My original point was that there simply are not enough jobs for all the world's workers anymore, and that there never will be again.
>>581953993 Yes, but I don't think there's really need to talk about the aftermath if... well, there is no aftermath. I'm just talking about when it's clear that it's the end for me. If I lived on in some form, I could keep working to understand the world and helping those around me, but when faced with my demise, wishing for such things is only just a great way to torture yourself.
>>581953609 Fair enough. But the true philosopher never really leaves his seat of observing, learning, and changing. It is naturally rigorous. One day, I will make an effort to learn the philosophies, ancient and modern, and compare them to that of my own, wrought by the naked observations of my experience.
>>581954158 I don't believe you studied enough philosophy. Right now analytic philosophy is all the rage and none of it has anything to do with God in any way. Unless you engage in philosophy of religion. All about God.
>>581954271 Again. You're stating that facts do not exist. I stated real facts that will be, regardless of opinion. I gave them to a communist who had the exact opposite views of me, and not even he could dispute them.
All I know about racism is it's BS. Not because some people aren't the best and everyone shouldn't bow down to them, but because those people can be of any race. Ghandi, Mother Theresa (at least how she acted), Bill Clinton, and, if you actually look into who he really was, Vlad III, Prince of Wallachia. All great people, all different races. Just better than everyone, regardless of race.
>>581954858 Granted I didn't read the whole conversation, so if you're giving facts while discussing an abstract concept that still pertains to society and physical issues, then facts help. Ultimately they aren't the deciding factor regarding a battle of abstract ideas about how a system should work. It's up to the argument.
>>581954991 Oh, no. I don't mean to say that I want to die. I'm just saying if I was met with it, I could accept it. I would fight for it, as the benefit would be much greater if I did. It's just... if there wasn't a way too, I could accept it. I enjoy the world as it is. I don't want to leave now.
>>581954627 ...y'know, were I the tinfoil hat type, I might suppose that that was the goal. If I bought into >>581943939, I might suppose that, in addition to giving Zionists a huge victim card, the holocaust effectively steered the western world far away from nihilism and kept them solidly capitalist.
Were I the sort of person to jump to conclusions like that.
>>581954702 I believe the true purpose of studying philosophy in an academic setting is to learn how to write philosophy papers. How to properly engage in philosophical arguments. In essence, I was afforded the opportunity to engage in philosophical debate with world class intellectuals.
>>581950451 >philosophy Analytic philosophy views itself as continuous with natural science, and is written in a style that is rigorous and precise. Most papers focus on a detailed analysis of a very particular issue.
Continental philosophy is written in a literary and allusive style, and is more concerned with "big picture" issues. Most authors strangely seem to assume that Sausserian linguistics and Jungian psychology are correct, even though both are outdated.
>>581955696 Sounds like I would identify with continental philosophy more on a personal level.
>>581950003 Off of that brief description, I don't think a philosopher should have to "prove their worth" as you put it. Every person provides a new and unique subjective perspective, which are each, if validated by logic, valuable in their own sense. That's my opinion of course, but.
>>581955969 I don't necessarily disagree or agree. It's complicated. I believe that when you're strongly pertaining to a society with little actual discussion pertaining to philosophy, facts are the deciding factor. But depending on the argument, even if it's about our society, facts aren't necessarily going to solve an issue when the basis of the problem lies in the systems which are based off of the abstract ideas of men.
You are now aware of the fact that you are an isolated brain. Nothing is real. /b/ went to shit just reposting old shit and a bit of terrible bullshit everyday. Every new video game is the same shit with a new coat of paint. Nothing ever changes in your life. The people are the same everywhere you go, if you manage to meet someone new they are just a reskinned verison of someone else you met earlier. Can you remember the last time you went someplace new? Can you remember what you were doing a few second ago? Can you remember a time when you weren't coming to 4chan? No, you can't. It's not a coincidence, your mind is having trouble coming up with new ideas. You also just achieved CHIM.
>>581955815 This is not true in the academic world. Nietzsche goes largely ignored. It is the ramblings of the ignorati, pretending to understand what Nietzsche had to say. Many of his ideas are being credited to the post-modernists and that is an outright shame.
>>581956349 Facts solve all the issues, because only abstract concepts can be flawed to begin with. Facts are simply truths to be used to our advantage. Subjectivity is a cancer of the mind, again, as I've previously stated.
>>581956765 I sincerely disagree with you. The reason is because facts are generated from our curiosity. Facts don't exist to rule, they exist to support arguments. These arguments are ultimately abstract. Everything is subjective to some extent. Similarly, everything is relative to some extent.
>>581955552 Okay. But that is not where it ends. Ultimately philosophy is for the self, because the self is all that there is for every person. Philosophy derives from natural curiosity, and is not an esoteric subject matter you spend some time in in school. The natural philosopher, which, in my opinion is everyone, only needs be ignited. When it becomes the mainstay of their existence, the incessant background to nearly every interaction, philosophy is not a subject matter, it is everything.
>>581956923 But... then I'd have to have read and done prior research. I'm just a layman, and those people who already have experience intimidate me with there expansive knowledge. I just have no idea where to start, though The Republic and Sophie's World sound like good ideas.
Adolf Hitler's government was based on hate (which there was no shortage of at the time) and was extremely effective. Modern governments are based on peace, freedom and tolerance which are rare these days and consequentially those governments are extremely ineffective.
All that being said, the world would be a better place right now if Hitler won the war. That's depressing.
That's literally the definition of reverse causation, which is a pristine example of modern day pseudointellectualism. This conversation is over, you're just going to spin facts into falsities until nothing is real in your eyes.
>>581957521 Sounds like a troll post But yeah the republic is a great place to start The Greeks in general. They pretty much are the founders of philosophy and their philosophy has affected the western world a great deal.
>>581947219 And that is why it is a belief. Anti-Climacus says that the Christian faith is the embrace of the paradox of religion. That god can be infinite and finite is so incredibly paradoxical that it requires a leap of *faith* to accept it. That is what god is. The leap of faith between the believer and god.
>>581930605 Philosophy simplified. Life has no extrinsic predetermined meaning. Searching for it produces nothing but insanity. But, life without meaning is beyond cruel and pointless. So, we have to create our own meaning. Stop searching, start creating. Done.
>>581957936 I fail to see how that means I'm going to twist facts into falsities. Facts exist to serve an argument. The point is that they only have meaning in context. That context is the argument to further ones point. An argument that exists to support a fact is the process you go through to make sure the fact is correct. Not that any fact is ultimate anyways, because all things are subjective to some extent. No, I'm not trying to twist facts into falsities, I'm letting you understand that a fact isn't black and white, which is also how you seem to view the world.
>>581958283 Sounded like a troll post. /lit/ is a great place to get recommendations for new books and to learn about new philosophies. Of course there will be the shit posters. And when you ask where to start with philosophy the will almost all say "the Greeks" but it's true they have shaped the entire western world. It has been suggested by some atheist that Jesus was based of Socrates's. I don't know much about that but its something to consider and the bible does have a lot of similar traits as some Greek philosophy. So don't shy away from /lit/ its probably the best board on 4chan
>>581959269 Yeah, but collaboration towards creation is much more effective than just making it yourself. With a group involved you can get different self-made perspectives and subjective meanings, and compare them with the goal of improving your own.
That's why I like philosophical discussion.
>>581959691 Alright, I will definitely give it a try. I just want to be well-versed before I get there.
>>581959269 That's not philosophy, that's A philosophy (absurdism) There are many different philosophies and all of them are speculation and ideas. Many of which are interesting and make sense but because something makes sense doesn't mean its true
>>581960460 You think you know everything because you have read a little Camus and Sartre There is a reason its called "philosophy" and not just regarded as fact Because in the end its all speculation and you don't know and thinking you do makes you sound like and edge lord
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